I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I was
checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I asked about
them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. I asked if they
sold any of them and was told two.
I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little puzzled by the
whole thing. I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to keep
them from being stolen. But this was no hammer for anybody in the trades.
It was consumer, light weight model.
Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast cancer
research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
>
> Pink hammers are probably a symbol, same as pink ribbons, of
> acknowledgement of the event.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
Also, if they have the pink ribbon symbol for the Susan G. Komen Breast
Cancer Foundation, part of the price goes to research.
My daughter has done the 60 mile walk to raise money and the OverLord
and daughter do the 3 mile for the last few years - in fact this coming
Sunday.
- Doug
"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
>> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
>> cancer:
>>
>> U.S. - 83.9%
>> Canada - 82.5%
>> U.K. - 69.8%
>
> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>
>
> --
> Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Indeed. I just looked at the Cancer Research UK site, - they put the 5 year
survival rate at 80% overall and 93% for those picked up during screening.
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=3317#general
"Doug Brown" wrote
>
> Apparently no one know, or cares, how to change the frigging subject
> header!!!!!
>
Since I was the one who started this thread, big mistake, I did not see the
need. I just thought it was strange that pink hammers were being sold at
the hardware store. I did not see it a a desireable product nor did I see it
helping breast cancer very much. I made the comment that there are better
ways to donate money to this cause and was immediatley shouted down as some
kinda insenstive monster by some folks in this forum.
The thread got hijacked. Wanna start a new one, fine. But it has nothing to
do with tools or woodworking. A distinction lost on some folks here.
Maybe you can start a thread for whiny folks who abhor woodworking
discussions.
Michael Kenefick <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Not all woodworkers are men. I may go and get one for my daughter.
> Mike in Ohio
>
At one time, there was a line of pink colored tool especially for the
women. It was a psychology thing, hoping they'd be more likely to buy
them.
I wouldn't refuse to use a pink tool, but given the choice between two
equal tools would probably buy the non-pink version.
Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
"Doug Winterburn" wrote:
> Also, if they have the pink ribbon symbol for the Susan G. Komen
> Breast Cancer Foundation, part of the price goes to research.
>
> My daughter has done the 60 mile walk to raise money and the
> OverLord and daughter do the 3 mile for the last few years - in fact
> this coming Sunday.
Last I heard, the group now has a new theme, "Big or small, save them
all".
Gotta love it.
Lew
"BillGill" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Support for breast cancer research is a lot better than snarking about
> having a pink tool. Get with the program guys, breast cancers is nothing
> to laugh about.
>
What do they get off the tool? A buck, maybe. There is lot better ways to
contribute to that cause without buying crappy tools that invite ridicule.
This whole thing of covering everything with ribbons for the sickness of the
month is tiring and ultimately desensitives everybody.
I am tired of getting hit up for money at every turn. I don't really care
what month it is. I give where and when I think it is appropriate. Not what
is trendy or the current publicity program.
My sister is a dog trainer who has trained a bunch of service dogs. Her own
daughter has seizures and she trained her dog to alert to the seizures. It
is something I can relate to and I will give money to support service dogs.
I don't give a damn about pink hammers.
I had no idea that this sweeth nothing guy was even talking. I killfiled him
a long time ago as he has nothing positive or interesting to say. I merely
pointed out that selling pink hammers is a strange way to do things. And I
also pointed out I think there are better ways of doing it. I also pointed
out how I do my charitable thing. If that offended a mental midget, so be
it. Nuff said.
<[email protected]>
>
> You're too stupid to realize that people are smarter than you think
> and you're not too brilliant for them. It just goes to show how much
> of an asshole you really are.
>
Unreal. I have been called an asshole by somebody who has nothing good to
say about anybody. I suppose I should not be surprised. I guess talking
about charity and pink hammers was too much for you. How did you become so
bitter at the world?
<[email protected]> wrote
>
> Are you actually attempting to have an intelligent conversation with
> me?
That would be an act of futility. I have seen you whine and bitch ad
infinitum. I have no interest of engaging in an endless babble fest with
you. A bitter old man is upset with me. I couldn't care less.
<[email protected]> wrote
>
> This is getting ridiculous. I'm done.
<collective sigh of relief>
"Larry C" wrote
>
> I live in the Boston area and there was a big breast cancer walk this past
> weekend. Part of the story on the local news was that some survivors are
> getting sick of the whole "pink" thing. They believe that some companies
> are using only as a marketing ploy and you are better off to just donate
> to
> the charity. Some companies may do that.
>
Yep. It isn't just companies seeking to cash on a polically correct
movement. It also scumbag profesional "fundraising" organizations that give
very little of the money they raise to the charities they supposedly
represent.
That said, If I want to donate $15 towards something I will do so directly.
Not buy a cheap tool.
"Bill" wrote:
> I was at Menards tonight, and they were selling pink tool sets "for
> ladies"---sexist no?
> They had pink-handled screwdrivers, pink measuring tape, pink
> levels, etc. Of course, I immediately
> thought of this thread. There was no mention of breast cancer
> awareness.
Have a friend of mine whose father was a carpenter.
He made gifts for his daughters consisting of a pink wall plaque
holdong a pink handled claw hammer, pink handled pliers and a pink
handled screw driver.
This was at least 20 years ago.
Lew
"J. Clarke" wrote
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Phisherman" wrote:
>>
>>> Have you have your PSA test this year?
>>
>> Two weeks ago, it has become a fall tradition.
>>
>> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Assume the position".<G>
>
> Huh? That's not a PSA test. PSA is a blood test.
>
Now you tell him. Lew obviously has a kinky doctor. <G>
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7436e4f0-288f-4696-92f3- Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab
at socialized medicine)
>
Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The
"CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an
even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.
Up one for socialist medicine. :-)
see: http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278 for a discussion of the
source.
Luigi
Apparently no one know, or cares, how to change the frigging subject
header!!!!!
On Oct 7, 12:06=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tim W wrote:
>
> > "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Pink? You guys probably don't watch rugby and won't have seen the Stad=
e
> >> Francais strip. Here is a picture of the SF forwards:
>
> http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2008-2009/hcup/harl-sf/081213_avant...
>
> > Sorry, that's last year's strip. This is how they look this season:
>
> http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2009-2010/Top14Orange/toulon-sf/090...
>
>
>
> > Tim W
>
> =A0 Pink hammer? =A0That's nothin':
> <http://charterarms.com/products/Charter_Undercover_53830.html>
My wife might like that. It would match her cell phone.
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:37:36 -0500, Steve Turner>
>Hmm, you're even willing to assault somebody to stifle their free speech. You sound like a
>right nice guy.
When someone says something ignorant when they should have shown more
consideration, that makes me angry and then I'm a god damned prick.
Hope that floats your boat.
>You've got a pretty big mouth yourself there pal, and a foul one at that.
There's a world of difference between having a big, foul mouth and
displaying an attitude of ignorance like Lee Michaels did. Of course
you can accuse me of being ignorant too, but it's certainly not the
same type of ignorance. Thing is, I know the difference. Michaels
obviously doesn't or just doesn't care which is worse.
You're accusing me of trying to stifle free speech, but then you're
admonishing me for swearing at someone. Make up your mind Steve, you
can't have it both ways.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast
> cancer research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
Why not - not secure enough in you masculinity :).?
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:06:44 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
enough to convince everyone that he is just one more microphallic
troll in a world already too full of them
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Oct 5, 8:00=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. =A0As I was
> checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
> counter! =A0Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. =A0I asked=
about
> them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. =A0I asked if th=
ey
> sold any of them and was told two.
>
> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
> think of it almost as a gag item. =A0Anyway, I was a little puzzled by th=
e
> whole thing. =A0I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to=
keep
> them from being stolen. =A0But this was no hammer for anybody in the trad=
es.
> It was consumer, light weight model.
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast canc=
er
> research. =A0Would you buy a pink hammer? =A0Not me.
Was it a fuschia pink or more of a dusty rose?
On Oct 8, 8:09=A0pm, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > "J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> >> Huh? =A0That's not a PSA test. =A0PSA is a blood test.
>
> > The PSA is just a prereq for the real exam<G>.
>
> > Lew
>
> You don't want the diddling going on when you discover that both the
> doctor's hands are on you shoulders.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 :~|
http://www.videosdahora.com.br/Videos-Br/1862/foi-fazer-exame-de-toque-e-ga=
nhou-um-relogio/
On Oct 8, 8:06=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
> > On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
> >> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
> >> cancer:
>
> >> U.S. - 83.9%
> >> Canada - 82.5%
> >> U.K. - 69.8%
>
> > Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>
> Here's one:
> "Recent cancer survival in Europe : a 2000-02 period analysis of EUROCARE=
-4
> data," Lancet Oncology, 2007, No. 8, pages 784-796.
>
> Access to this study requires a reprint fee, but a summary is here:http:/=
/seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278
When I see this:
1..........Cuba..........84.0 (82.9, 85.2)
2..........US.............83.9 (83.7, 84.1)
3..........Canada......82.5 (81.9, 83.0)
I wonder who on this list is left with a higher percentage of their
relative personal wealth measured from before and after they are
cured.
Also, when running stats this tight, the difference becomes
insignificant.
On Oct 7, 5:50=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
> > Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
> > cancer:
>
> > U.S. - 83.9%
> > Canada - 82.5%
> > U.K. - 69.8%
>
> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>
Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The
"CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an
even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.
Up one for socialist medicine. :-)
see: http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278 for a discussion of the
source.
Luigi
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> On Oct 5, 8:31 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Last I heard, the group now has a new theme, "Big or small, save them
>> all".
>>
>> Gotta love it.
>
> Check out:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXi5ploCAjU
And just yesterday I read an online article about a group with more of
an "in your face" approach (yet light-hearted) about breast cancer
awareness - check out:
http://www.savethetatas.com/home.htm
Also fortunate to not have had anyone in the family suffer from breast
cancer, but I do support the research.
Matt
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:52:35 -0400, "Larry C"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>This thread has slid out of control
Maybe not. Most here are men and they are 6X more likely to get
prostate cancer than breast cancer. I guess men don't want to be
bothered with it, including my father but he died because the cancer
spread to his bones. Have you have your PSA test this year?
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:47:19 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>What do they get off the tool? A buck, maybe. There is lot better ways to
>contribute to that cause without buying crappy tools that invite ridicule.
>
>I am tired of getting hit up for money at every turn. I don't really care
>what month it is. I give where and when I think it is appropriate.
Fine, you don't think this particular method of bringing awareness to
breast cancer is appropriate. Good for you, you're free do to what you
want. But, learn to keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT and let others contribute
as they may.
You go contribute to your sister's charitable efforts and consider how
you'd feel if some FUCKING ASSHOLE wrote something similar about
people with seizures and service dogs.
Man, you could be three times my size and I'd sucker punch you in the
nuts in a half second if you said something like that in front of me.
I've said a lot of dumb, ignorant things in my time, but I'd never
consider saying anything approaching your crap.
RonB wrote:
>> Why not? Don't like pink? I would buy a pink hammer if it was a
>> quality hammer. Color does not make much difference, although it
>> might make it easier to find the pink hammer, maybe less likely it
>> might be borrowed.
>
> Hmmmm. I'm guessing you have some orange tape measures, color-
> sleeved punches, yellow handled pry bars......too.
>
> If it weren't for my shop apron my projects would take 5 time longer.
> Just lookin' for pencils.
Where's JOAT, with all this talk about colored tools?
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Not all woodworkers are men. I may go and get one for my daughter.
Mike in Ohio
Lee Michaels wrote:
> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I was
> checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
> counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I asked about
> them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. I asked if they
> sold any of them and was told two.
>
> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
> think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little puzzled by the
> whole thing. I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to keep
> them from being stolen. But this was no hammer for anybody in the trades.
> It was consumer, light weight model.
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast cancer
> research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
>
>
>
Phisherman wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:52:35 -0400, "Larry C"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This thread has slid out of control
>
> Maybe not. Most here are men and they are 6X more likely to get
> prostate cancer than breast cancer. I guess men don't want to be
> bothered with it, including my father but he died because the cancer
> spread to his bones. Have you have your PSA test this year?
Or your colonoscopy? Having 12" of your colon ain't a lot of fun. When
a doctor says "No problem, you'll be up and at 'em in a week or so",
I'll give you permission to call him a lying SOB.
- Doug
PS: Pop bought it at 89 years from colon cancer (a good run), and I
waited until 59 for the first colonoscopy - a big mistake. The kids are
all starting at 40. They haven't yet thanked me for the genes.
Tim W wrote:
>
> "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>> Pink? You guys probably don't watch rugby and won't have seen the Stade
>> Francais strip. Here is a picture of the SF forwards:
>>
>>
http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2008-2009/hcup/harl-sf/081213_avants.jpg.html
>>
> Sorry, that's last year's strip. This is how they look this season:
>
>
http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2009-2010/Top14Orange/toulon-sf/090814_dupuy1.jpg.html
>
> Tim W
Pink hammer? That's nothin':
<http://charterarms.com/products/Charter_Undercover_53830.html>
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 5, 9:25 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> Was it a fuschia pink or more of a dusty rose?
>> Powdered pussy willow pink would crow bar my wallet, fer sure ...
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> ....as long as it isn't that disgusting pony-pecker pink.
Hell, even putrid puss pussy pink before that ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:24:59 -0500, BillGill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Bill (yes I'm a guy)
>
> Well, if you were by chance a woman named Bill, I'd bet you are a
> tough woman.
>
>>Support for breast cancer research is a lot better than snarking about
>>having a pink tool. Get with the program guys, breast cancers is nothing
>>to laugh about.
>
> Agree 100%. Don't know any women (that I know of) that have/had breast
> cancer, but I've lost both parents and a close friend to other forms
> of cancer so it's a worthwhile endeavor if it contributes in any way
> to the damned disease.
As I saw this thread this morning it was somewhat surreal.
Like WAY WAY WAY to many people in this world I have friends that have had
cancer and breast cancer more specifically. In matter of fact yesterday my
sister started chemo after having a mastectomy this summer. That coupled
with being a dad with 3 daughters, if in fact some of the profits go to
breast cancer research I am in.
If they are just pink hammers like the pink Red Sox hats I have to see at
the ball park. I am out.
Larry C
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> On Oct 7, 5:50 pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>>
>>> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of
>>> breast cancer:
>>
>>> U.S. - 83.9%
>>> Canada - 82.5%
>>> U.K. - 69.8%
>>
>> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>>
> Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The
> "CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an
> even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.
Correct. Cuba was #1 with 84.0% (US 83.9%).
"While the CONCORD study defends its methods and says that the resulting
biases are small, it also warns that when the differences between countries
are small, then a small bias might make a big difference in the ranking. So,
the bottom line is that from these data and the warnings provided by the
study itself, we do not really know whether Cuba, the US, Canada, Sweden or
Japan is 'the best' at treating breast cancer."
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]>
> Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
>
Pink? You guys probably don't watch rugby and won't have seen the Stade
Francais strip. Here is a picture of the SF forwards:
http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2008-2009/hcup/harl-sf/081213_avants.jpg.html
Tim W
Lee Michaels wrote:
> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I was
> checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
> counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I asked about
> them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. I asked if they
> sold any of them and was told two.
>
> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
> think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little puzzled by the
> whole thing. I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to keep
> them from being stolen. But this was no hammer for anybody in the trades.
> It was consumer, light weight model.
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast cancer
> research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
>
>
>
Support for breast cancer research is a lot better than snarking about
having a pink tool. Get with the program guys, breast cancers is nothing
to laugh about.
Bill (yes I'm a guy)
Phisherman wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:52:35 -0400, "Larry C"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This thread has slid out of control
>
> Maybe not. Most here are men and they are 6X more likely to get
> prostate cancer than breast cancer. I guess men don't want to be
> bothered with it, including my father but he died because the cancer
> spread to his bones. Have you have your PSA test this year?
Amen. Having a family history of prostate problems (both sides of the
family), I habitually got my skanky butt down for the PSA and the finger
wave annually. They found cancer a couple years ago, scheduled me for
surgery, and I have been cancer free ever since. Cancer is a bigger
pain the ass than the yearly tests. Believe it.
phew,
jo4hn
Lee Michaels wrote:
> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I
> was checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on
> the counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I
> asked about them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. I
> asked if they sold any of them and was told two.
>
> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would
> buy. I think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little
> puzzled by the whole thing. I know that women in the trades will
> paint their tools to keep them from being stolen. But this was no
> hammer for anybody in the trades. It was consumer, light weight model.
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast
> cancer research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
It does make one wonder what kind of item they would sell to promote
awareness of Prostate Cancer?
In addition, what does "Breast Cancer Awareness" have to do with anything
productive? Is there anyone in the country that is not "aware" of breast
cancer or its consequences?
I recall many years ago a group solicited millions for "AIDS Awareness."
They published a slim paperback volume and gave it away at bookstores across
the land.
Totally wasted endeavor - even a 1st grader knew the concepts behind that
which was published in the book. The project did, however, provide
(lucrative) employment to a few dozen people.
In my view, the goal should not be to make everyone (even more) AWARE of
breast cancer; the goal should be to CURE it!
Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
cancer:
U.S. - 83.9%
Canada - 82.5%
U.K. - 69.8%
Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 8, 8:06 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>>
>>>> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of
>>>> breast cancer:
>>
>>>> U.S. - 83.9%
>>>> Canada - 82.5%
>>>> U.K. - 69.8%
>>
>>> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized
>>> medicine)
>>
>> Here's one:
>> "Recent cancer survival in Europe : a 2000-02 period analysis of
>> EUROCARE-4
>> data," Lancet Oncology, 2007, No. 8, pages 784-796.
>>
>> Access to this study requires a reprint fee, but a summary is
>> here:http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278
>
> When I see this:
> 1..........Cuba..........84.0 (82.9, 85.2)
> 2..........US.............83.9 (83.7, 84.1)
> 3..........Canada......82.5 (81.9, 83.0)
>
> I wonder who on this list is left with a higher percentage of their
> relative personal wealth measured from before and after they are
> cured.
> Also, when running stats this tight, the difference becomes
> insignificant.
Right. The study even acknowledges that they couldn't control for everything
and that even an aspect with small effect (i.e., Voodoo) could change the
rankings.
Another interesting thing would be "absolute" wealth instead of relative. I
would expect absolute wealth to change as:
Cuba - Nothing => nothing
U.S. - A lot => moderate amount
Canada - Moderate amount => moderate amount
Again, the U.S. and Canada are virtually tied and Cuba is one bookmark on
the list.
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Worst part of a colonoscopy is the prep work, IMHO.
> I agree, although the "Fleet" two doses of 3 oz in water ain't all that
> bad other than the after effects. But the 1 gallon of the alternative
> crap is really hard to choke down. I had to have an annual for the
> first three years after my episode, however on my last hose job, I got
> permission to go to a three year cycle - whew!
Tried almost freezing it, then drinking it from a frosty beer mug, but
it didn't help.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
>> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
>> cancer:
>>
>> U.S. - 83.9%
>> Canada - 82.5%
>> U.K. - 69.8%
>
> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
Here's one:
"Recent cancer survival in Europe : a 2000-02 period analysis of EUROCARE-4
data," Lancet Oncology, 2007, No. 8, pages 784-796.
Access to this study requires a reprint fee, but a summary is here:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278
On Oct 6, 6:49=A0am, "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Pink? You guys probably don't watch rugby and won't have seen the Stade
> > Francais strip. Here is a picture of the SF forwards:
>
> >http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2008-2009/hcup/harl-sf/081213_avant...
>
> Sorry, that's last year's strip. This is how they look this season:
>
> http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2009-2010/Top14Orange/toulon-sf/090...
>
> Tim W
One has to fully understand the rugby mentality to appreciate this
zaniness. Got to love it!
My daughter is an 8 on her highschool team and they're just as zany.
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> Phisherman wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:52:35 -0400, "Larry C"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> This thread has slid out of control
>>
>> Maybe not. Most here are men and they are 6X more likely to get
>> prostate cancer than breast cancer. I guess men don't want to be
>> bothered with it, including my father but he died because the cancer
>> spread to his bones. Have you have your PSA test this year?
>
> Or your colonoscopy? Having 12" of your colon ain't a lot of fun. When
> a doctor says "No problem, you'll be up and at 'em in a week or so",
> I'll give you permission to call him a lying SOB.
>
> - Doug
>
> PS: Pop bought it at 89 years from colon cancer (a good run), and I
> waited until 59 for the first colonoscopy - a big mistake. The kids are
> all starting at 40. They haven't yet thanked me for the genes.
That'd be "havin 12" of your colon removed".
- Doug
On Oct 5, 8:31=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Last I heard, the group now has a new theme, "Big or small, save them
> all".
>
> Gotta love it.
Check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjXi5ploCAjU
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:24:59 -0500, BillGill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Bill (yes I'm a guy)
Well, if you were by chance a woman named Bill, I'd bet you are a
tough woman.
>Support for breast cancer research is a lot better than snarking about
>having a pink tool. Get with the program guys, breast cancers is nothing
>to laugh about.
Agree 100%. Don't know any women (that I know of) that have/had breast
cancer, but I've lost both parents and a close friend to other forms
of cancer so it's a worthwhile endeavor if it contributes in any way
to the damned disease.
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:57:02 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>So wait, you're posting using both [email protected] AND [email protected] reply
>addresses in the same thread? Why don't you make up your mind so we know who the heck we're
>talking to?
>
>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:21:36 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>No, I'm not, and no I don't. Don't *you* see that being a profane reactionary hot-head just
>might not be the best way to win over the hearts and minds of others?
You don't like my cursing and criticize it. I take that as an attempt
to curtail my free speech. You don't have to agree with it, you just
have to understand that's how I view it.
And, why would I care about winning over the minds of everybody? The
only people I care about are the people I respect, who respect me and
are my friends. We've earned each other's respect and there's never
any cursing or swearing between us because we're honest and
forthright with we have to say to each other. We don't have the need
to play little word games or try to play innocent in some matter.
It's like you telling me I have to act like a politician. They say
what they have to so they appear on the best light when most of us
know that every politician bends the truth to some degree. It's part
of the job. Maybe you consider that a jaded, cynical point of view,
again that's your option.
Fine, you don't agree with some (or all of what I have to say). That's
your choice, but please, give me that same choice too.
On Oct 8, 5:27=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 12:55=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 5:50=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:> O=
n 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
> > > > Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of brea=
st
> > > > cancer:
>
> > > > U.S. - 83.9%
> > > > Canada - 82.5%
> > > > U.K. - 69.8%
>
> > > Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>
> > Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The
> > "CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an
> > even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.
>
> > Up one for socialist medicine. :-)
>
> For socialized medicine, Canadian research isn't doing too bad either:
>
> Canada has produced a disproportionately large number of major
> biomedical breakthroughs, and a new report released today exhaustively
> catalogues the best of the best.
>
> The Association of Canadian Academic Healthcare Organizations new
> report, called "Moving at the Speed of Discovery" (PDF), includes a
> (very long) list of the top medical discoveries made in Canadian
> academic hospitals.
>
> You probably knew about Dr Frederick Banting's discovery of insulin,
> but you're sure to be surprised at some of the high-profile research
> mentioned in the report, like robot surgeons, music therapy for the
> physically disabled, induced hypothermia for heart surgery patients
> and "cobalt bombs," to name a few of the most interesting items.
>
> Download the PDF above or click 'Read more' to check out the list.
<snip of long list of medical discoveries/innovations done in Canada>
While it's nice to brag about the research done in our country, we
must also not forget to thank US taxpayers for their funding of the
National Institute of Health, where most of the medical research is
done/funded in the US. Of course, the drug companies and other private
sector profiteers claim it is them.
You might want to read books and articles by Marcia Angell, a former
editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, like "The Truth About
the Drug Companies".
Luigi
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:00:11 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I was
>checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
>counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I asked about
>them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. I asked if they
>sold any of them and was told two.
>
>I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
>think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little puzzled by the
>whole thing. I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to keep
>them from being stolen. But this was no hammer for anybody in the trades.
>It was consumer, light weight model.
>
>Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast cancer
>research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
>
>
Why not? Don't like pink? I would buy a pink hammer if it was a
quality hammer. Color does not make much difference, although it
might make it easier to find the pink hammer, maybe less likely it
might be borrowed.
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:43:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
>>
>Unreal. I have been called an asshole by somebody who has nothing good to
>say about anybody. I suppose I should not be surprised. I guess talking
>about charity and pink hammers was too much for you. How did you become so
>bitter at the world?
Are you actually attempting to have an intelligent conversation with
me? If so, then do it without the "poor innocent me" act and
acknowledge that you phrased your comment on your choice of charities
without much consideration. If you can't do that or simply aren't able
to comprehend what you said was offensive in a number of ways, then
I'm not the least bit interested in "discussing" anything with you.
I'm not the only one that has deemed your response as offence.
Consider that when you reply.
That's my honest, uncritical response. It's the best I'm willing to
do. Respond as you choose.
On Oct 5, 9:25=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > Was it a fuschia pink or more of a dusty rose?
>
> Powdered pussy willow pink would crow bar my wallet, fer sure ...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
....as long as it isn't that disgusting pony-pecker pink.
When I rented space in a cabinet shop where I could only use the space
on off hours, the regular day shift guys (who I got to know pretty
well) somehow seemd to always visit my utility belt and "borrow"
stuff. I once replaced one of those red handled screwdrivers with the
changable tips with one from my daughters toy kit that had a flowered
pattern. They never took it, so I bought some pink spray paint. I
still have a few clamps and squares, etc that are pink.
On Oct 5, 5:00=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. =A0As I was
> checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on the
> counter! =A0Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. =A0I asked=
about
> them and was told that there was more pink tools coming. =A0I asked if th=
ey
> sold any of them and was told two.
>
> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would buy. I
> think of it almost as a gag item. =A0Anyway, I was a little puzzled by th=
e
> whole thing. =A0I know that women in the trades will paint their tools to=
keep
> them from being stolen. =A0But this was no hammer for anybody in the trad=
es.
> It was consumer, light weight model.
>
> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast canc=
er
> research. =A0Would you buy a pink hammer? =A0Not me.
On Oct 8, 11:54=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 8:06 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> David Nebenzahl wrote:
> >>> On 10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
> >>>> Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of
> >>>> breast cancer:
>
> >>>> U.S. - 83.9%
> >>>> Canada - 82.5%
> >>>> U.K. - 69.8%
>
> >>> Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized
> >>> medicine)
>
> >> Here's one:
> >> "Recent cancer survival in Europe : a 2000-02 period analysis of
> >> EUROCARE-4
> >> data," Lancet Oncology, 2007, No. 8, pages 784-796.
>
> >> Access to this study requires a reprint fee, but a summary is
> >> here:http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7278
>
> > When I see this:
> > 1..........Cuba..........84.0 (82.9, 85.2)
> > 2..........US.............83.9 (83.7, 84.1)
> > 3..........Canada......82.5 (81.9, 83.0)
>
> > I wonder who on this list is left with a higher percentage of their
> > relative personal wealth measured from before and after they are
> > cured.
> > Also, when running stats this tight, the difference becomes
> > insignificant.
>
> Right. The study even acknowledges that they couldn't control for everyth=
ing
> and that even an aspect with small effect (i.e., Voodoo) could change the
> rankings.
>
> Another interesting thing would be "absolute" wealth instead of relative.=
I
> would expect absolute wealth to change as:
>
> Cuba - Nothing =3D> nothing
> U.S. - A lot =3D> moderate amount
> Canada - Moderate amount =3D> moderate amount
>
> Again, the U.S. and Canada are virtually tied and Cuba is one bookmark on
> the list.
> Why not? Don't like pink? =A0 I would buy a pink hammer if it was a
> quality hammer. =A0Color does not make much difference, although it
> might make it easier to find the pink hammer, maybe less likely it
> might be borrowed. =A0
Hmmmm. I'm guessing you have some orange tape measures, color-
sleeved punches, yellow handled pry bars......too.
If it weren't for my shop apron my projects would take 5 time longer.
Just lookin' for pencils.
RonB
On Oct 8, 12:55=A0am, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 5:50=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:> On =
10/6/2009 7:51 AM HeyBub spake thus:
>
> > > Oh, by the way, the five-year survival rate after diagnosis of breast
> > > cancer:
>
> > > U.S. - 83.9%
> > > Canada - 82.5%
> > > U.K. - 69.8%
>
> > Source? (Looks like another thinly-veiled jab at socialized medicine)
>
> Indeed. Bubba neglects to say that the US was #2 after Cuba. The
> "CONCORD" study where those numbers came from showed that Cuba had an
> even higher breast cancer survival rate than the US.
>
> Up one for socialist medicine. :-)
>
For socialized medicine, Canadian research isn't doing too bad either:
Canada has produced a disproportionately large number of major
biomedical breakthroughs, and a new report released today exhaustively
catalogues the best of the best.
The Association of Canadian Academic Healthcare Organizations new
report, called "Moving at the Speed of Discovery" (PDF), includes a
(very long) list of the top medical discoveries made in Canadian
academic hospitals.
You probably knew about Dr Frederick Banting's discovery of insulin,
but you're sure to be surprised at some of the high-profile research
mentioned in the report, like robot surgeons, music therapy for the
physically disabled, induced hypothermia for heart surgery patients
and "cobalt bombs," to name a few of the most interesting items.
Download the PDF above or click 'Read more' to check out the list.
1877 Introduction of sterilized cotton wool swabs in test tubes, which
reduces contamination. (McGill University Health Centre Research
Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1907 First bronchoscopy performed. (McGill University Health Centre
Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1908 Installation of the first milk pasteurization plant in Canada, 30
years before it becomes mandatory. This all but eliminates diseases
transmitted by unpasteurized milk like tuberculosis, salmonella, and
e.coli. Pasteurization dramatically decreases infant mortality in
Canada. (The Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1912 First surgical treatment of tuberculosis. (McGill University
Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1922 First clinical use of insulin for diabetes in human patients.
(University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1930 Development of a new infant cereal that later becomes famous
internationally as =93pablum.=94 This fortified cereal (the first of its
kind) significantly reduces death from malnutrition. (The Hospital for
Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1933 First excision of the entire lung performed (pneumonectomy).
(McGill University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal,
Quebec)
1939 Invention of the corneal splitting knife (still standard in
surgery to reduce pressure in glaucoma). (McGill University Health
Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1948 Development of the first artificial kidney machine. (Lawson
Health Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1948 First 25 million electron-volt beta-tron to be established in any
university or hospital =97 calibration takes nine months. The electron-
volt beta-tron is used for cancer research and to improve treatment
accuracy. (Saskatoon Health Region =97 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)
1950 Introduction of lumpectomy for treatment of breast cancer.
Lumpectomy is a surgical procedure designed to remove a discrete lump
(usually a tumour, benign or otherwise) from an affected woman or
man=92s breast. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1950 Use of total body cooling as a method of making heart surgery
safer. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1950 First neuro-surgical treatment of epilepsy performed. (McGill
University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1951 First use worldwide of calibrated cobalt-60 for cancer
radiotherapy treatment. (Saskatoon Health Region =97 Saskatoon,
Saskatchewan)
1951 First =93cobalt bomb=94 in the world used to deliver radiation
therapy to cancer patients. (Lawson Health Research Institute =97
London, Ontario)
1952 First use of a device that determines whether or not a patient=92s
thyroid is cancerous through the use of radioactive iodine. (Saskatoon
Health Region =97 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)
1956 Major breakthrough in virology by discovering that positive
strand Ribonucleic Acid (RNA) could be infectious. (Capital Health/
University of Alberta =97 Edmonton, Alberta)
1957 Invention of the artificial cell for application in medicine and
biotechnology. It was thought that artificial cells could one day be
used as a partial substitute for human cells and organs. (McGill
University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1958 World first surgical treatment on cerebral aneurysms. (Lawson
Health Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1960 Implementation of genetic screening programs for hereditary
metabolic diseases in newborns. (McGill University Health Centre
Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1960 First implanted mammary artery into the heart wall in order to
restore functionality of the heart. (McGill University Health Centre
Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1961 Discovery of blood-forming stem cells enabling bone marrow
transplants. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1963 The first widely successful surgery to correct the birth defect
known as =93Blue Babies=94 is performed. Before this procedure, this
condition used to kill 9 out of 10 patients in their first year. (The
Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1965 First artificial knee joint in the world created. (McGill
University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1969 Discovery of a carcino-embryonic antigen, a tumour marker for
cancer. (McGill University Health Centre Research Institute =97
Montreal, Quebec)
1970 Discovery that hereditary metabolic diseases could be treated
with vitamins. (McGill University Health Centre Research Institute =97
Montreal, Quebec)
1971 Developed the world=92s first paediatric electric prosthetic arm.
(Bloorview Kids Rehab =96 Toronto, Ontario)
1975 Development of software used worldwide for 20 years to control
radiation therapy. (University Health Network=97Toronto, Ontario)
1976 Identification of P-glycoprotein as a major cause of cancer drug
resistance. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1978 Developed the internationally-recognized AeroChamber, a medical
device used to administer aerosolized medication for patients with
asthma. This device continues to be used in practice around the world.
(St. Joseph=92s Healthcare =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
1979 Invention of a radically different ventilator (now used
worldwide) that gently =93shakes=94 oxygen into the lungs of children with
severe lung disease, sparing many of them painful lung bypass
procedures. (The Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1979 Development of =93Continuous Passive Motion=94 (CPM), a revolutionary
treatment for injured or diseased joints. Before this treatment,
patients with damaged cartilage had to be totally immobilized. CPM is
such an improvement that it is now being used in 17,500 hospitals in
more than 77 countries worldwide. (The Hospital for Sick Children =97
Toronto, Ontario)
1980 Initial studies using real time ultrasounds and detailing
biological factors affecting human fetal behavioral activity and
breathing movements. (Lawson Health Research Institute =97 London,
Ontario)
1981 World-first heart operation to correct a life-threatening heart
condition known as right ventricular dysphasia. (Lawson Health
Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1983 Successful single lung transplant. Lung transplants extend life
expectancy and enhance the quality of life for end-stage pulmonary
patients. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1983 The Department of Nuclear Medicine becomes first to use a special
imaging agent to diagnose Parkinson=92s disease. Called [18] F6-
fluorodopa PET, the chemical was produced by Hamilton Health Sciences
and is now used worldwide. (Hamilton Health Sciences/McMaster
University =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
1984 Discovery and cloning of the T-Cell receptor genes, significant
in the field of immunology. (University Health Network =97 Toronto,
Ontario)
1986 Discovery of the SH2 domain, which controls the ability of
proteins to interact with other SH2 containing proteins and thereby
direct the function of enzymes involved in transmitting cellular
signals. This finding has revolutionized our understanding of how
proteins form, signaling pathways inside cells. It is already
informing research to control these pathways in diseased cells =97 the
basis for novel therapies. (Mount Sinai Hospital =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1986 Developed first predictive testing for late onset genetic
diseases (Huntington Disease). (Provincial Health Services Authority =96
Vancouver, British Columbia)
1987 First aortic valve replacement in the world using the Toronto
Heart Valve, which is now used worldwide. (University Health Network =97
Toronto, Ontario)
1987 World=92s first pacemaker cardioverter defibrillator is implanted.
(Lawson Health Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1988 Researchers solve the structure of rennin, a key enzyme in the
kidney that plays a role in the development of high blood pressure.
(Capital Health/University of Alberta =97 Edmonton, Alberta)
1988 World=92s first successful liver/small bowel transplant is
performed. (Lawson Health Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1989 Researchers develop sputum induction techniques and sputum cell
analysis. Research on nasal mucosa suggested ways in which the
cellular response to antigen challenge might be studied in bronchial
mucosa and sputum. (Firestone Institute for Respiratory at St.
Joseph=92s Healthcare =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
1989 Development of the first oral treatment for hepatitis B,
resulting in the drug Lamivudine. (Capital Health/University of
Alberta =97 Edmonton, Alberta)
1989 Discovery of the gene which, when defective, causes cystic
fibrosis, the most fatal genetic disease of Canadian children today.
(The Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1990 First measure of neurotransmitter concentration in schizophrenics
by Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy (MRS). MRS allows scientists and
doctors to measure chemicals within the body and brain without
removing tissue or blood samples and without using dangerous
radioactive =93tracers.=94 It is therefore safe and can be used repeatedly
on the patient without any ill effects. (Lawson Health Research
Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1991 Publication of the first paper demonstrating that treatment of
obstructive sleep apnea by nasal continuous positive airway pressure
(CPAP) in patients with congestive heart failure improves cardiac
function and symptoms of heart failure. This discovery has major
implications because it suggests that obstructive sleep apnea
contributes to the development and progression of congestive heart
failure. (Toronto Rehabilitation Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1992 Discovery of the first gene responsible for Fanconi anemia.
Fanconi anemia (FA) is a rare genetic disease that affects children
and adults from all ethnic backgrounds. FA is characterized by short
stature, skeletal anomalies, increased incidence of solid tumors and
leukemias, bone marrow failure (aplastic anemia), and cellular
sensitivity to DNA-damaging agents such as mitomycin C. (Hospital for
Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1993 Researchers demonstrate that mouse embryonic stem cells are
capable of supporting the entire embryonic development and in fact
creating completely cell cultured derived mice. (Mount Sinai Hospital
=97 Toronto, Ontario)
1993 Discovery of a novel gene associated with Lou-Gehrig=92s disease.
(McGill University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal,
Quebec)
1994 World=92s first three-dimensional (3-D) ultrasound-guided
cryosurgery. (Lawson Health Research Institute =96 London, Ontario)
1994 Solved the 30-year old puzzle of why so many people suffer an
allergic reaction when they receive a blood transfusion. (Hamilton
Health Sciences/McMaster University =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
1995 First physical map of the human genome created. (McGill
University Health Centre Research Institute =97 Montreal, Quebec)
1995 Discovery of the gene associated with localized muscular
dystrophy. (McGill University Health Centre Research Institute =97
Montreal, Quebec)
1996 Identification of a human blood cell that regenerates the entire
blood system. This discovery enabled the development of new treatments
for blood diseases such as leukemia, thalassemia and sickle cell
anemia. (Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1996 Identification of a gene that causes colon cancer. Colorectal
cancer is the second leading cause of cancer-related deaths among
Canadians. (Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1998 Developed the first trophoblast stem cells =96 the precursors of
cells that form the placenta. Since the placenta is critical for a
successful pregnancy, this discovery will have a major impact on
research to understand and ultimately prevent pregnancy complications
resulting from a failure in normal placental function. (Mount Sinai
Hospital =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1998 Discovery of the first gene that causes Lafora disease, one of
the most severe forms of teenageonset epilepsy. (Hospital for Sick
Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
1999 First islet transplant under the Edmonton protocol for Type I
diabetes. Islet transplantation had been performed under other
protocols; however, the Edmonton protocol produced unprecedented
levels of success in the field of islet transplantation. (Capital
Health/University of Alberta =97 Edmonton, Alberta)
1999 World=92s first closed chest robotic-assisted beating heart
coronary artery bypass graft conducted. (Lawson Health Research
Institute =97 London, Ontario)
1999 Identification of ABCA-1 gene =96 key regulator of HDL
concentrations in humans. (Provincial Health Services Authority/BC
Children=92s Hospital =96 Vancouver, British Columbia)
2000 Discovery of the mechanism of formation of amyloid, the basis of
Alzheimer=92s and other diseases, and the subsequent development of
drugs to treat this. (Kingston General Hospital =97 Kingston, Ontario)
2001 Discovery of a clinical rule that may reduce use of unnecessary x-
rays for low-risk neck injuries and could aid in reducing use of
imaging tests in alert and stable patients. (Ottawa Health Research
Institute =97 Ottawa, Ontario)
2001 Development of the first animal model for Hepatitis C in mice,
using transplanted human cells, providing a convenient way to test new
treatments for Hepatitis C. (Capital Health/University of Alberta =97
Edmonton, Alberta)
2001 Tissue factor is a cell surface membrane protein involved in the
initiation of blood clotting. Overexpression or increased activation
of tissue factor can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease. The
research group demonstrated that overexpression of GRP78 (a protein),
can block the coagulant activity of tissue factor in human cells.
These studies are important because they have identified a relevant
cellular factor that can mediate tissue factor activity. (Hamilton
Health Sciences Centre =97 Hamilton, Ontario)
2001 Identified the emerging role that albuminuria as an important
risk factor for both kidney and heart disease. (Hamilton Health
Sciences/McMaster University =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
2002 Introduction of revolutionary medication doses for depression and
schizophrenia through positron emission tomography (PET) technology.
(Centre for Addiction and Mental Health =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2002 Creation of a simple system to generate T-cells in a Petri dish.
T-cells are a vital component of the immune system that orchestrate,
regulate and coordinate the overall immune response. This discovery
provided a method to create model systems to study the genetics and
molecular biology of T-cell development and points to future clinical
therapies for people whose immune systems have been destroyed, for
example, by HIV or toxic cancer therapies. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s
Research Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2002 Discovery that a type of self-destructing =93suicide cell=94
activity, previously believed to only be detrimental, is in fact
necessary for the proper formation of muscle tissue. (Ottawa Health
Research Institute =97 Ottawa, Ontario)
2002 Pioneered the use of Botulinum Toxin A to reduce upper limb
spasticity in children with cerebral palsy. (Bloorview Kids Rehab =96
Toronto, Ontario)
2003 Discovery of a molecular marker to diagnose hepatocellular
carcinoma (HCC), the most common type of liver cancer. HCC is usually
asymptomatic at early stages, and has great propensity for invasion,
making it difficult to treat. A test was developed for the early
diagnosis of HCC, which could also be useful for the screening of
individuals that are at high risk for developing this disease, such as
people chronically infected with Hepatitis B and C. (Sunnybrook &
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recognize infectious prions, proteins that cause brain-wasting
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equivalent. This discovery paves the way for the development of
diagnostic tools, immunotherapy and a vaccine. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s
Research Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
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treatment to taxol for preventing breast cancer recurrence in
survivors five years post diagnosis. (University Health Network =97
Toronto, Ontario)
2003 Compilation of the complete DNA sequence of chromosome 7.
Researchers decode nearly all of the genes on this medically important
portion of the human genome. Chromosome 7 contains 1,455 genes, some
of which, when altered, cause diseases such as cystic fibrosis,
leukemia and autism. (Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2003 Study makes it easier to identify patients with deep vein
thrombosis (DVT), providing faster diagnosis and significant savings
to the health care system. (Ottawa Health Research Institute =97 Ottawa,
Ontario)
2003 Performed the world=92s first deep brain stimulation for
depression, causing depression that was previously treatment-resistant
to go into remission. (University Health Network =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2003 Identification of a cancer stem cell responsible for brain
tumors. This discovery may change how this deadly condition is studied
and treated in the future. (Hospital for Sick Children =97 Toronto,
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neuroblastoma, a deadly childhood cancer. (Hospital for Sick Children
=97 Toronto, Ontario)
2003 Performed the world=92s first hospital-to-hospital telerobotic
assisted surgery on a patient more than 400 kilometres away. During
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patient located at North Bay General Hospital from St. Joseph=92s
telerobotics suite in Hamilton, Ontario. (St. Joseph=92s Healthcare =96
Hamilton, Ontario).
2003 Developed a genetically modified vaccine that can completely
prevent the recurrence of metastatic breast cancer through genetically
altered cells that only destroy cancer cells. (Hamilton Health
Sciences/McMaster University =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
2003 Developed first draft DNA sequence for coronavirus implicated as
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Key largo, Florida. (St. Joseph=92s Healthcare =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
2004 Development of StemBase, a database of gene expression data from
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whose activity is related to stem cells. (Ottawa Health Research
Institute =97 Ottawa, Ontario)
2004 Discovery of the apelin receptor and design of an analogue that
can interfere with and block the actions of apelin, in order to
decipher its role in the brain. (Centre for Addiction and Mental
Health =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2004 Discovery of over 70 novel human receptor genes; many of which,
together with their chemical activators, mediate unique functions in
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2004 In the first large, multi-centre clinical trial of its kind,
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remains open enough to permit efficient blood flow, is critical to
success after surgery. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s Research Institute =97
Toronto, Ontario)
2004 A research team finds magnetic resonance imaging detects more
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alternative to removing both breasts. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s Research
Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2004 World=92s first use of beads of palladium, a low-dose radioactive
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Women=92s Research Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2004 Demonstration of an association between pediatric multiple
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Children =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2004 Developed a virtual instrument that allows children with physical
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2005 Developed the world=92s first upper respiratory viral panel test
that can accurately identify all respiratory viruses including various
flu strains including H5N1 and the SARS Coronavirus. (St. Joseph=92s
Healthcare =96 Hamilton, Ontario)
2005 In the first trial of its kind in the world, researchers begin
treating prostate cancer using a 3-D image-guided radiation therapy
device that was developed in Canada. This non-surgical technique
allows oncologists to visualize the exact position of the target and
deliver precise external beam radiation therapy. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s
Research Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2005 Key discovery in Type-1 Diabetes proves the repair process is
present within the pancreas during disease development. Understanding
the repair process could be the key to successful treatment. (Ottawa
Health Research Institute =97 Ottawa, Ontario)
2005 Study determines that a specific enzyme, known as pro-protein
convertase 4 (PC4) may be responsible for fetal growth restriction,
the second leading cause of infant mortality in the developed world.
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pregnancy and provide the ability to monitor the pregnancy more
closely. (Ottawa Health Research Institute =97 Ottawa, Ontario)
2005 Scientists show that early surgical removal of the spleen
combined with antiangiogenic therapy, which arrests the growth of
tumour-feeding blood vessels, may stop the progression of leukemia.
(Sunnybrook & Women=92s Research Institute =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2005 Using neuropsychological testing, researchers accurately predict
which study participants will develop Alzheimer=92s disease within five
and 10 years. Previous studies were able to predict Alzheimer=92s only
for shorter periods of time; other studies showed predictions for 10
and even 15 years, but these did not indicate the predictive accuracy
of the tests. (Sunnybrook & Women=92s Research Institute =97 Toronto,
Ontario)
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The discovery is now licenced as a test for the disorder and is
available to the public. (Centre for Addiction and Mental Health =97
Toronto, Ontario)
2005 Initiation of first human clinical gene therapy trials for
lipoprotein lipase deficiency. (Provincial Health Services Authority/
BC Children=92s Hospital =96 Vancouver, British Columbia)
2006 Discovery of the precise molecular chain of events that initiates
the wide-scale immune destruction of =93super bug=94 infections such as
flesh-eating disease, toxic shock syndrome and severe food poisoning.
(Robarts Research Institute =97 London, Ontario)
2006 Implantation of an antibody-coated stent into the first human
patient. The invention of the antibody-coated stent reduces restenosis
and prevents blood clots from occurring. (St. Michael=92s Hospital =97
Toronto, Ontario)
2006 World=92s first clinical trial to combine gene and cell therapy to
treat a cardiovascular disorder. The PHACeT (Pulmonary Hypertension:
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of pulmonary hypertension. (St. Michael=92s Hospital =97 Toronto, Ontario)
2006 First demonstration that children with cystic fibrosis have
choline deficiency. Provision of choline improves redox balance and
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(Provincial Health Services Authority/BC Children=92s Hospital,
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:49:56 +0100, "Tim W"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Sorry, that's last year's strip. This is how they look this season:
>http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2009-2010/Top14Orange/toulon-sf/090814_dupuy1.jpg.html
They look like (in any year) they've been attacked by a zombie who has
taken up finger painting.
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:30:55 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Your post was far out of line. In fact, it seemed threatening (which
>makes it a crime, I think). You've taken the pink cause 3 steps back.
It *was* an implied threat. Tell you what Bill. My real name is David
Moore and I live in Toronto, Canada. Do a little searching and you can
find my entire contact information. I'll be here should you decide to
have me charged.
Ok? Now fuck off.
(That's a threat too if you choose to take it that way. Nothing
implied).
"Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not all woodworkers are men. I may go and get one for my daughter. Mike
> in Ohio
Everyone should get whatever color they like, but I have a feeling that
tools
that look like tools are safer. I don't think I'd prefer a tool that
invited me
to let my guard down. I'd prefer red warning stickers to pink. How can
you hand anyone a pink anything, and expect them to take it seriously? ;)
Bill
Bill wrote:
> "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Not all woodworkers are men. I may go and get one for my daughter.
>> Mike in Ohio
>
> Everyone should get whatever color they like, but I have a feeling
> that tools
> that look like tools are safer. I don't think I'd prefer a tool that
> invited me
> to let my guard down. I'd prefer red warning stickers to pink. How
> can you hand anyone a pink anything, and expect them to take it
> seriously? ;)
Well, we handed the Iranians a bunch of pink F-14s and when ever one of
those lit off its radar the entire Iraqi air force would look for a place to
hide.
> I wouldn't refuse to use a pink tool, but given the choice between two
> equal tools would probably buy the non-pink version.
>
> Puckdropper
Think of the benefits, though... it would never get stolen. :-)
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BillGill wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I stopped by Ace Hardware today to pick up a few small items. As I
>> was checking out I was surprised to see a display of PINK HAMMERS on
>> the counter! Apparently it is some kind of breast cancer thing. I
>> asked about them and was told that there was more pink tools coming.
>> I asked if they sold any of them and was told two.
>>
>> I can't imagine this being any kind product that many people would
>> buy. I think of it almost as a gag item. Anyway, I was a little
>> puzzled by the whole thing. I know that women in the trades will
>> paint their tools to keep them from being stolen. But this was no
>> hammer for anybody in the trades. It was consumer, light weight
>> model.
>>
>> Maybe it is some kinda publicity thing with the tie in to the breast
>> cancer research. Would you buy a pink hammer? Not me.
>>
>>
>>
> Support for breast cancer research is a lot better than snarking about
> having a pink tool. Get with the program guys, breast cancers is
> nothing to laugh about.
>
> Bill (yes I'm a guy)
Guys get it too you know.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:47:19 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> What do they get off the tool? A buck, maybe. There is lot better ways to
>> contribute to that cause without buying crappy tools that invite ridicule.
>>
>> I am tired of getting hit up for money at every turn. I don't really care
>> what month it is. I give where and when I think it is appropriate.
>
> Fine, you don't think this particular method of bringing awareness to
> breast cancer is appropriate. Good for you, you're free do to what you
> want. But, learn to keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT and let others contribute
> as they may.
Mr. or Mrs. Nothing,
Your post was far out of line. In fact, it seemed threatening (which
makes it a crime, I think). You've taken the pink cause 3 steps back.
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:47:19 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> What do they get off the tool? A buck, maybe. There is lot better ways to
>> contribute to that cause without buying crappy tools that invite ridicule.
>>
>> I am tired of getting hit up for money at every turn. I don't really care
>> what month it is. I give where and when I think it is appropriate.
>
> Fine, you don't think this particular method of bringing awareness to
> breast cancer is appropriate. Good for you, you're free do to what you
> want. But, learn to keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT and let others contribute
> as they may.
>
> You go contribute to your sister's charitable efforts and consider how
> you'd feel if some FUCKING ASSHOLE wrote something similar about
> people with seizures and service dogs.
You've got a pretty big mouth yourself there pal, and a foul one at that. I hope you don't
eat with that dirty mouth.
> Man, you could be three times my size and I'd sucker punch you in the
> nuts in a half second if you said something like that in front of me.
> I've said a lot of dumb, ignorant things in my time, but I'd never
> consider saying anything approaching your crap.
Hmm, you're even willing to assault somebody to stifle their free speech. You sound like a
right nice guy.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:37:36 -0500, Steve Turner>
>
>> Hmm, you're even willing to assault somebody to stifle their free speech. You sound like a
>> right nice guy.
>
> When someone says something ignorant when they should have shown more
> consideration, that makes me angry and then I'm a god damned prick.
> Hope that floats your boat.
Sounds a bit juvenile to me, and even kinda ignorant. Where's *your* consideration?
>> You've got a pretty big mouth yourself there pal, and a foul one at that.
>
> There's a world of difference between having a big, foul mouth and
> displaying an attitude of ignorance like Lee Michaels did. Of course
> you can accuse me of being ignorant too, but it's certainly not the
> same type of ignorance. Thing is, I know the difference. Michaels
> obviously doesn't or just doesn't care which is worse.
>
> You're accusing me of trying to stifle free speech, but then you're
> admonishing me for swearing at someone. Make up your mind Steve, you
> can't have it both ways.
Both ways what? I admonished you for being fouled mouthed; use that information as you see
fit. I never threatened to punch you out or somehow "prevent" you from speaking your mind.
My understanding is that diplomacy works far better than violence...
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[email protected] wrote:
So wait, you're posting using both [email protected] AND [email protected] reply
addresses in the same thread? Why don't you make up your mind so we know who the heck we're
talking to?
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:21:36 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Both ways what? I admonished you for being fouled mouthed
>
> I reserved the right to swear at him and you're criticizing me for it.
> Isn't that admonishment a form of attempting to curtail my free speech
> too?
What? I wasn't the one who told somebody to keep their "BIG MOUTH SHUT". I merely pointed
out that yours was dirty; I never suggested you couldn't use it, or that'd I'd punch you out
if you did.
> Like I said, you're trying to have it both ways. Don't you see that
> point at all?
No, I'm not, and no I don't. Don't *you* see that being a profane reactionary hot-head just
might not be the best way to win over the hearts and minds of others?
> This is getting ridiculous. I'm done.
Fine.
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RonB wrote:
> My gosh. Considering the fact that the Pink Hammers represent a very
> serious and necessary breast cancer campaign; this thread has
> certainly taken on a nasty tone.
>
> Apparently some of our folks haven't had their lives touched by
> cancer.
>
> Yet.
>
> RonB
I look at it the other way.
Maybe some lives *have* been touched by cancer and some might be a
little bitter towards what they *perceive* as a fruitless publicity
campaign.
There are different stages to grieving and people grieve in different
ways, so maybe we could cut some slack to those we *perceive* as being
heartless or insensitive.
Just sayin...
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Phisherman wrote:
> Why not? Don't like pink? I would buy a pink hammer if it was a
> quality hammer. Color does not make much difference, although it
> might make it easier to find the pink hammer, maybe less likely it
> might be borrowed.
My friend is color-blind.
He made the mistake of shopping, sans wife, and came home wearing Nike's
with a pink swoosh and trim.
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-MIKE- wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>> My gosh. Considering the fact that the Pink Hammers represent a very
>> serious and necessary breast cancer campaign; this thread has
>> certainly taken on a nasty tone.
>>
>> Apparently some of our folks haven't had their lives touched by
>> cancer.
>>
>> Yet.
>>
>> RonB
>
> I look at it the other way.
> Maybe some lives *have* been touched by cancer and some might be a
> little bitter towards what they *perceive* as a fruitless publicity
> campaign.
>
> There are different stages to grieving and people grieve in different
> ways, so maybe we could cut some slack to those we *perceive* as being
> heartless or insensitive.
>
> Just sayin...
You are such an insensitive effin' effer jackass! I'll bet you stick your tongue out at
Girl Scouts when you walk past their cookie booth without buying anything!
Actually, my wife's lifelong childhood friend just died from breast cancer last year, and
it's hit us very hard; she was in tears over it just the other night. We keep in close
contact with their family, and my wife is practically a mother figure to her friend's two
near-adult daughters, one of whom drove 400 miles to visit us just last week. Her friend's
mother and older sister also succumbed to the disease, and the risk it poses to her
daughters is very real. The family is very active in breast cancer awareness, they know
that we would help them in any way we could. We've not been asked to consider buying a pink
*anything*.
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Steve Turner wrote:
> You are such an insensitive effin' effer jackass! I'll bet you stick
> your tongue out at Girl Scouts when you walk past their cookie booth
> without buying anything!
>
I call those, "Mom & Dad Scout cookies," because those are the only
people who ever ask me to buy them.
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RonB wrote:
>> I call those, "Mom & Dad Scout cookies," because those are the only
>> people who ever ask me to buy them.
>>
>> --
>
> Uuuhhh... Maybe that's the way you taught your kids to sell. Our
> daughter usually sold 200-350 boxes, about 8-10 of which were ours.
I think you may have misunderstood me.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "jo4hn" wrote:
>
>> You don't want the diddling going on when you discover that both the
>> doctor's hands are on you shoulders.
>
> That one is so old I kicked the slats out of the cradle the first time
> I heard it<G>.
Last time I heard that one I fell off my dinosaur.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> I was at Menards tonight, and they were selling pink tool sets "for
>> ladies"---sexist no?
>> They had pink-handled screwdrivers, pink measuring tape, pink levels,
>> etc. Of course, I immediately
>> thought of this thread. There was no mention of breast cancer awareness.
>
> Have a friend of mine whose father was a carpenter.
>
> He made gifts for his daughters consisting of a pink wall plaque holding a
> pink handled claw hammer, pink handled pliers and a pink handled screw
> driver.
Did each daughter get a plaque with a different tool (there's a nice harmony
to that...)?
My dad made ladybugs out of bowling ball halfs a year or two before he
passed away.
He gave me a cheerful-looking one for Christmas. If he had given me a pink
hammer
I would have looked at him funny! ; )
Bill
>
> This was at least 20 years ago.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:15:07 -0400, "Bill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>to let my guard down. I'd prefer red warning stickers to pink. How can
>you hand anyone a pink anything, and expect them to take it seriously? ;)
Pink tools sound like the basis for a woodworker's club 'booby' prize
where you award one monthly to the woodworker who can build the most
outlandish woodworking project. Would be great for some laughs.
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:59:03 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Are you actually attempting to have an intelligent conversation with
>> me?
>That would be an act of futility. I have seen you whine and bitch ad
>infinitum. I have no interest of engaging in an endless babble fest with
>you. A bitter old man is upset with me. I couldn't care less.
I spoke to you honestly without any cursing or attack and you choose
to maintain the innocent, offended approach. Guess I was naive in
expecting anything else.
I pity people like you. You prefer to hide behind a shroud of
deception and innocence when you should realize that you are the only
one that thinks you're getting away with it.
This thread has slid out of control
We are talking about breast cancer here. Something I think we would be glad
to see be cured.
Just because someone doesn't contribute to a particular charity in a way
that you might doesn't mean they don't endorse the charity's goal or
mission. It also is not cool to swear at him, or to say I would never buy
that, donate to that, etc. What people do is there own business. And what
people donate or do not donate to is almost always is driven by very
personal reasons.
As I mentioned I, like almost everyone after a certain age, have / had a
family member or close friend effected by cancer. I also, like everyone
else, get hit up by everyone for money. And like 99.9% of those that
frequent this group if I had lots of money, I would give away lots of
money - I don't so I have to choose my charity(s). That doesn't mean I
don't wish the (put your charity/cause here) the best of luck. When asked I
politely tell them that we are donating our money other places.
That being said about this whole pink hammer debate:
I live in the Boston area and there was a big breast cancer walk this past
weekend. Part of the story on the local news was that some survivors are
getting sick of the whole "pink" thing. They believe that some companies
are using only as a marketing ploy and you are better off to just donate to
the charity. Some companies may do that.
There are definately better ways to donate to a cause than buying a product
and having some % of the sale go to a cause. But, maybe some person is
going into ACE to buy a hammer that will only be used to hang a few pictures
and
they say "Hey I get a hammer I need and a buck goes to breast cancer
research" or maybe that person has a connection to the disease and just
feels better by buying that
hammer. The only one who knows is that person.
Also, after the purchase is a buck more than the breast cancer research
group had before he bought the
hammer. After being involved in fundraising for most of my adult life. The
saying;
"the big donations make the papers, the little ones make the difference" is
partly true. Although both are equally important.
Are pink hammers, football cleats, baseball bats, etc. going to help
increase awareness and raise more money to help cure this and hopefully /
eventually all cancers. I do not know, but those that deal with it everyday
seem to think so.
I do know that fighting about it will not.
I have a sorta woodworking question above. Lets deal with that.
This was a long post.
Larry C
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:31:49 -0700, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Doug Winterburn" wrote:
>
>> Also, if they have the pink ribbon symbol for the Susan G. Komen
>> Breast Cancer Foundation, part of the price goes to research.
>>
>> My daughter has done the 60 mile walk to raise money and the
>> OverLord and daughter do the 3 mile for the last few years - in fact
>> this coming Sunday.
>
>Last I heard, the group now has a new theme, "Big or small, save them
>all".
>
>Gotta love it.
Breast awareness month, eh? We're gonna lick it!
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:55:02 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>I had no idea that this sweeth nothing guy was even talking. I killfiled him
>a long time ago as he has nothing positive or interesting to say. I merely
>pointed out that selling pink hammers is a strange way to do things. And I
>also pointed out I think there are better ways of doing it. I also pointed
>out how I do my charitable thing. If that offended a mental midget, so be
>it. Nuff said.
Feeble try at best. It wasn't what you said, it was how you went about
saying it. And you said it about as unthinkingly as you could without
breaking a sweat.
You're too stupid to realize that people are smarter than you think
and you're not too brilliant for them. It just goes to show how much
of an asshole you really are.
"Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>
> Pink? You guys probably don't watch rugby and won't have seen the Stade
> Francais strip. Here is a picture of the SF forwards:
>
> http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2008-2009/hcup/harl-sf/081213_avants.jpg.html
>
Sorry, that's last year's strip. This is how they look this season:
http://www.stade.fr/phototheque/v/2009-2010/Top14Orange/toulon-sf/090814_dupuy1.jpg.html
Tim W
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:21:36 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Both ways what? I admonished you for being fouled mouthed
I reserved the right to swear at him and you're criticizing me for it.
Isn't that admonishment a form of attempting to curtail my free speech
too?
Like I said, you're trying to have it both ways. Don't you see that
point at all?
This is getting ridiculous. I'm done.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Doug Winterburn" wrote:
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>> Or your colonoscopy? Having 12" of your colon ain't a lot of fun.
>> When a doctor says "No problem, you'll be up and at 'em in a week or
>> so", I'll give you permission to call him a lying SOB.
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> Worst part of a colonoscopy is the prep work, IMHO.
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> Lew
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I agree, although the "Fleet" two doses of 3 oz in water ain't all that
bad other than the after effects. But the 1 gallon of the alternative
crap is really hard to choke down. I had to have an annual for the
first three years after my episode, however on my last hose job, I got
permission to go to a three year cycle - whew!
- Doug