Re: Australian/American relations
On the front lawn of the Russell Complex in Canberra, where Australia's
military command is based, their is a huge column, with a sort of eagle
thing on top. It is a monument to America.
I guess you can take what you like out of that in terms is pure symbolism.
"Scott Chapin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Nigel Morris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> > histroical allies.
> >
> > Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
> >
> >
> > "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > >
> > > If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> > > computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This
is
> > the
> > > country they would support.
> > >
> > > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or
a
> > > > lap-dog for Bush?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, you are our allies, an we are yours. There are a great many people in
> the USA too who go to bed at night in comfortable safety, ignorant to the
> fact that freedom is not free. They are pacifists to the detriment of real
> long lasting peace. They sleep comfortably due to the sheding of others'
> blood.
>
>
> Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!( yeah
well id a gree with that statement, howard is a little cunt, how true)
>
> The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > How do Australians feel about George Bush?( he should be gaoled like all
other corporate criminals..he is a dufus...)
> >
> > Do you consider the United States a good friend?( you serious, with
friends like the jewish run americans who needs enemies..hows our gold
reserves, beef exports, corn, wheat, steel etc etc ...fuck those resource
stealing yanks)
> >
> > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > lap-dog for Bush?(he is a lapdog like bush not bushes lapdog..they are
both lapdogs of their corporate masters..)
>
>
what so illiterate about it action jackson?
"Jack Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "regered"?? Are you as illiterate as you come across in this post?
>
> Go away, troll...
>
>
> "defcon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
> >
> > The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > >
> > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > >
> > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > > lap-dog for Bush?
> >
> >
>
>
> > what so illiterate about it action jackson?
>
> I guess that answers your question Jack Black. If he can't even see
what's
> wrong with it..............sheesh.
well do you mind telling me whats wrong with it, or are you just as
illiterate as your mate action jackson....what is it with you alp/liberal
supporters and ignorance?..PLEASE EXPLAIN...dont just call me illigitimate
for nothing sunshine..explain why you think so..as far as im aware what i
said is correct .that is unless you can prove me wrong, which id doubt very
much
Is this a joke?
--
Cheers ................. Hunibal
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?
Nigel Morris wrote:
> We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> histroical allies.
>
> Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
and New Zealand against enemy attack.
However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
Nick
>
>
> "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>>
>>>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>
>>If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
>>computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
>
> the
>
>>country they would support.
>>
>>
>>>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>>>lap-dog for Bush?
>>
>>
>
>
Nigel Morris wrote:
> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
> under the ANZUS treaty.
>
> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come to our
> aid if we were attacked.
When Japan conquered the Philippine Islands, Australian security
became immediately threatened by the Japanese. Australia was not
militarily equipped to combat Japanese forces if the Japanese attacked
Australia. To this day, I do think that Australia cannot mount a
sustaining action to insure its sovereignty. The US has pledged to
protect the sovereignty of Australia, and will do so, but is no longer
obligated to protect the sovereignty of New Zealand; because of New
Zealand's actions, not because the US backed out of the treaty.
When the treaty to Australian security became in doubt, US troops and
equipment were sent to Australia to beef up Australian defenses.
Later, it was from Australia that the Americans launched the invasion
of the Philippines to free them from the forces of Japan and secure
the safety of Australia.
I am without doubt that should Australia be threatened again, the US
would support Australia, in spite of the stupidity of many
Australian's who think the US is nothing more than a blood sucking oil
hungry nation. Read:
http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/anzus/anzus-treaty.shtml
>
> Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint facilities"
> at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
> intelligence-gathering network?
But there are forces working in Australia to break the security
agreements made between Australia and the US. You may have read many
slanderous remarks being made against the US, even here in this ng,
which the silent majority of Australia seems to feel unaffected. If
stupidity can be recognized by what's said with the intent to destroy
unity, one need only to read what's unchangingly being said by those
who appear to be either ignorant of the damage that can be done or is
intentionally intent upon doing damage.
Nick
>
>
> "NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Nigel Morris wrote:
>>
>>>We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
>>>histroical allies.
>>>
>>>Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>>
>>There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
>>the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
>>repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
>>and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>>
>>However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
>>US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
>>Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
>>Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
>>prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>>>
>>>>If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
>>>>computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>country they would support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>>>>>lap-dog for Bush?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
NickC wrote:
>
>
> Nigel Morris wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
>> under the ANZUS treaty.
>>
>> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come
>> to our
>> aid if we were attacked.
>
>
> When Japan conquered the Philippine Islands, Australian security became
> immediately threatened by the Japanese. Australia was not militarily
> equipped to combat Japanese forces if the Japanese attacked Australia.
> To this day, I do think that Australia cannot mount a sustaining action
> to insure its sovereignty. The US has pledged to protect the sovereignty
> of Australia, and will do so, but is no longer obligated to protect the
> sovereignty of New Zealand; because of New Zealand's actions, not
> because the US backed out of the treaty.
>
> "When the treaty to Australian security became in doubt,"
Revise that to read, "When the threat to Australian became in doubt,"
The result of too thinking too many thoughts at the same time.
Nick
>US troops and
> equipment were sent to Australia to beef up Australian defenses. Later,
> it was from Australia that the Americans launched the invasion of the
> Philippines to free them from the forces of Japan and secure the safety
> of Australia.
>
> I am without doubt that should Australia be threatened again, the US
> would support Australia, in spite of the stupidity of many Australian's
> who think the US is nothing more than a blood sucking oil hungry nation.
> Read:
>
> http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/anzus/anzus-treaty.shtml
>
>
>>
>> Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint
>> facilities"
>> at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
>> intelligence-gathering network?
>
>
> But there are forces working in Australia to break the security
> agreements made between Australia and the US. You may have read many
> slanderous remarks being made against the US, even here in this ng,
> which the silent majority of Australia seems to feel unaffected. If
> stupidity can be recognized by what's said with the intent to destroy
> unity, one need only to read what's unchangingly being said by those who
> appear to be either ignorant of the damage that can be done or is
> intentionally intent upon doing damage.
>
> Nick
>
>>
>>
>> "NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> Nigel Morris wrote:
>>>
>>>> We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
>>>> histroical allies.
>>>>
>>>> Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>>>
>>>
>>> There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
>>> the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
>>> repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
>>> and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>>>
>>> However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
>>> US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
>>> Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
>>> Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
>>> prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
>>>>> computer print out to see in which country they make more money.
>>>>> This is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> country they would support.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>>>>>> lap-dog for Bush?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Nigel Morris wrote:
> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
> under the ANZUS treaty.
>
> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come to our
> aid if we were attacked.
Probably because of their track record.
>
> Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint facilities"
> at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
> intelligence-gathering network?
>
>
> "NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>Nigel Morris wrote:
>>
>>>We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
>>>histroical allies.
>>>
>>>Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>>
>>There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
>>the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
>>repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
>>and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>>
>>However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
>>US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
>>Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
>>Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
>>prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>>>
>>>>If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
>>>>computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>country they would support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>>>>>lap-dog for Bush?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
NickC wrote:
>
>
> NickC wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Nigel Morris wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
>>> under the ANZUS treaty.
>>>
>>> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come
>>> to our
>>> aid if we were attacked.
>>
>>
>>
>> When Japan conquered the Philippine Islands, Australian security
>> became immediately threatened by the Japanese. Australia was not
>> militarily equipped to combat Japanese forces if the Japanese attacked
>> Australia. To this day, I do think that Australia cannot mount a
>> sustaining action to insure its sovereignty. The US has pledged to
>> protect the sovereignty of Australia, and will do so, but is no longer
>> obligated to protect the sovereignty of New Zealand; because of New
>> Zealand's actions, not because the US backed out of the treaty.
>>
>> "When the treaty to Australian security became in doubt,"
>
>
> Revise that to read, "When the threat to Australian became in doubt,"
>
> The result of too thinking too many thoughts at the same time.
>
> Nick
Er, thanks Nick. That's much clearer now. I know I think
what you mean.
>
>> US troops and equipment were sent to Australia to beef up Australian
>> defenses. Later, it was from Australia that the Americans launched the
>> invasion of the Philippines to free them from the forces of Japan and
>> secure the safety of Australia.
>>
>> I am without doubt that should Australia be threatened again, the US
>> would support Australia, in spite of the stupidity of many
>> Australian's who think the US is nothing more than a blood sucking oil
>> hungry nation. Read:
>>
>> http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/anzus/anzus-treaty.shtml
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint
>>> facilities"
>>> at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
>>> intelligence-gathering network?
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are forces working in Australia to break the security
>> agreements made between Australia and the US. You may have read many
>> slanderous remarks being made against the US, even here in this ng,
>> which the silent majority of Australia seems to feel unaffected. If
>> stupidity can be recognized by what's said with the intent to destroy
>> unity, one need only to read what's unchangingly being said by those
>> who appear to be either ignorant of the damage that can be done or is
>> intentionally intent upon doing damage.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nigel Morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
>>>>> histroical allies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
>>>> the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
>>>> repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
>>>> and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>>>>
>>>> However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
>>>> US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
>>>> Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
>>>> Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
>>>> prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
>>>>>> computer print out to see in which country they make more money.
>>>>>> This is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> country they would support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader?
>>>>>>> Or a
>>>>>>> lap-dog for Bush?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Loved the beginning of the joke but still waiting for the punch line!
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?
ispose, the joke is that usa dropped two bombs on nipon
later (or was it before) decided that it was against the geneva convention
to drop bombs on civilians
the also dont support international legislation that might convict (oh no!)
usa civilians for crimes
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?
Answer at the bottom
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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: How do Australians feel about George Bush?
:
: Do you consider the United States a good friend?
:
: What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
: lap-dog for Bush?
Love it 8-).
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?
I do not think USA will do anything in this world if it is not of benefit to
USA.
I have several US friends and most of the people are good people I am sure,
but the US administration is another matter.
They seem to think they have the right to do whatever they want in this
world.
Blain and Howard are both lab dogs of Bush.
Blair could be in trouble however Howard seem to be in a strong position in
Australia.
PEM
"NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Nigel Morris wrote:
> > We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> > histroical allies.
> >
> > Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>
> There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
> the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
> repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
> and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>
> However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
> US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
> Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
> Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
> prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>
> Nick
They now need to rely on their national anthem..."God Defend NZ"....'cause
noone else will.
Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?
"regered"?? Are you as illiterate as you come across in this post?
Go away, troll...
"defcon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
>
> The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >
> > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >
> > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > lap-dog for Bush?
>
>
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:48:03 GMT, "William Graham" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>dx0r <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> What about the bushfires last year?
>
>Bushfires? - Blame Bush for them too, huh!?
you can certainly blame Bush like thinking. The report that just came
back on the fires showed that cost cutting by the right ring added
fuels to the area which is why the fires were so bad. Next you have
developers who build in prone areas.
That part of Canberra that was "planned" suffered much less than the
developer built areas. These fools built right next to pine
plantations etc etc and we all know how well sappy pine burns.
THOM
>
>
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:58:48 GMT, "defcon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
follows him around like he'se a Bush "mini-me"
THOM
>
>The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>>
>> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>>
>> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>> lap-dog for Bush?
>
>
"defcon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
>
> The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >
> > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >
> > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > lap-dog for Bush?
>
>
FYI I posted a question on an Australian "National" Web site (not related to
any political party) - inviting people to list the World's "top
terrorist(s)". I did not provide any names. After a week :
Bush polled #1
Blair and Howard #2 & #3
Neither Osama or Saddam rated a mention.
[FYI The above is true, and not a joke; although it should be funny - it is
a shame I am not laughing .
It might tell people what Australians (other than Erica Howard) think about
Bush (and Blair and Howard).
"Bart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> President Bush and Australians.
>
> Most reasonably intelligent and informed Australians realise Australia is
a
> relatively small country with almost no heavy industry, and almost
entirely
> unable to defend itself against the main type of army that would be close
> enough to invade - a large Asian army. We were sheltered for most of our
> existence under Pax Brittanica - It was a massive shock to the populace
when
> we called for Britain to defend us, and got told that it was impossible
and
> that we should depoulate our own country to defend them.
>
> We were always good trading partners with America - California was raised
on
> Australian beef before the depression. We recognised them as a possible
> superpower, and when they came into the war and we became their ancillary
> force instead of an ancillary force attached to the Empire, there was a
lot
> of hand wringing and mental re calculation - but the realities were set.
>
> Since we have been protected by our vastly populated neighbours by the
> nuclear umbrella, and we have supported the US with troops in the previous
> big fights in our region, Korea and Vietnam, when notably our former
> masters, England, did not.
>
> We have integrated the happy co-incidence of our geography into their
> information networks, and have been one of the few countries to court the
> possibility of millions of dollars of revenue by allowing a possible U.S.
> base - (How's it going, Hobart?).
>
> Anyone with the slightest clue in Australia knows in defence term we are a
> pimple on an ass - our army guys regularly say they could defend Australia
> for about 2 weeks of heavy conflict. If they were lucky.
>
> And we have no heavy industry to replace war materials, and would have to
> sell our own contry in promised resources to fund a conflict of any
> intensity.
>
> So we look at Bush with a sort of cautious respect that the little guys
> looks up to the big, we respect the protection, but we know he make
mistakes
> that would lead to trouble for all of us and we could get an even worse
big
> guy in charge.
>
> Our own leaders are like surfers. They can ride the waves and try and
look
> cool, but know the surf is the real force and can pound them into little
> bits. Brittania ruled the waves, but those days are long gone. Now Bush
> makes the waves, and we hope he is not bankrupting his country or causing
> the next big recession, as that wave would really suck, and surfing in
dead
> calm economic waters means no one is going to have any fun out on the
surf.
>
> Bart
>
>
So slavery was never really abolished, just renamed to "political
expediency" ?
"Bart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >So slavery was never really abolished, just renamed to "political
> >expediency" ?
>
> Are we slaves to the U.S.? Not that I noticed. We still get to make our
> decisions. We simply go with the power that power happens to be heading in
> roughly the same way.
Yes in principle we have the right to choose to differ - but (see next) ...
> If America flies of the rails totally, we can still
> tell them to go jump.
I believe I (and many others) have
1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with the
direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be facing
war crimes charges.
2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of the
internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us "slaves"
of US foreign policy.
> And political expediency is a greater force than
> slavery these days anyway.
>
>
>
>
[snip]
> > I believe I (and many others) have
> > 1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with
> the
> > direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be
facing
> > war crimes charges.
> > 2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of
> the
> > internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
> >
> > I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
> > rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us
"slaves"
> > of US foreign policy.
>
> Bullshit.
> Nick
>
Ah what repartee ! What logic ! What incisiveness ! What legal perception !
How appropriate you should post such an in depth analysis to "aus.jokes" et
al. I cannot compete with such wisdom, so excuse me if I terminate this
conversation ...
[snip]
I have removed some of the cross posted groups. If members of
rec.photo.equipment and rec.woodworking are offended, I apologise. I have
left aus.jokes (q.v.).
"Bart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > I believe I (and many others) have
> > 1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with
> the
> > direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be
facing
> > war crimes charges.
> > 2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of
> the
> > internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
> >
> > I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
> > rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us
"slaves"
> > of US foreign policy.
>
> A helpful quote I noticed elsewhere -
>
> Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
> --Mao Tse-Tung
Never truer than now.
>
> Australia barely has an army - so we are an ally with someone who does. I
> see a world of difference between ally and slave.
By "slave" I think Collins dictionary meaning three ("the condition of being
subject to some condition or habit") is apposite, although we might not be
in shackles literally.
> I agree that what Bush has done in Iraq is dubious in it's legality.
Ordinarily for "due process" this would be for an international court to
decide. I have read a number of documents pertaining to the requirements.
It would seem that the UN would need to pass a resolution establishing an
"international criminal tribunal", defining scope and authority. The
tribunal would then hear evidence and make a determination. Thus in Slobodan
Milosevic's case, UN resolution 827 established the tribunal and specified
initial charges. The tribunal authority and charges were subsequently
amended by resolutions 1166, 1329 and 1411.
A veto from any of the five permanent members of the UN security council
would cause a motion to fail. But two of the five who should be answering to
a court are the ones that have the power to veto the establishment of the
court ! Are we all laughing ? I hope I am wrong in my interpretation that
this leaves five members to act with legal impunity. So much for "separation
of powers". So much for "the fight against terrorism".
> So it comes down to power. What is
> the defining point whereby Bush's actions will be decided as legal or
> illegal? As right or as wrong? That will be the next election. If Bush
has
> breached the constitution, and has done so in a way that is unacceptable
to
> the American people, his administration will be kicked out. That is
assuming
> the Democrats can find their asses with both hands.
So if you aren't one of the five you could go to prison for life, if you
are, for "crimes against humanity" you might lose an election. And the so
called western civilised world wonders why there is so much antipathy
towards it. Gets funnier by the minute ....
>
>
"NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Scott Chapin wrote:
> > "Nigel Morris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> >>histroical allies.
> >>
> >>Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
> >>
> >>
> >>"H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>>"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>>>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >>>
> >>>If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> >>>computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This
is
> >>
> >>the
> >>
> >>>country they would support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> >>>>lap-dog for Bush?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > Yes, you are our allies, an we are yours.
>
> I sure hope that what you say is true. However, in the security pact
> between the US, Australia, and New Zealand, though I'm not certain of
> this, but I think the US is pledged to protect Australia, I'm not sure
> that Australia has pledged to side, as an ally, with the US.
>
> > There are a great many people in
> > the USA too who go to bed at night in comfortable safety, ignorant to
the
> > fact that freedom is not free. They are pacifists to the detriment of
real
> > long lasting peace. They sleep comfortably due to the sheding of others'
> > blood.
> >
> >
>
> Pacifists can be found anywhere. There will always be those who object
> to acts of aggressive protection, whose insecurity may also cause them
> to shout the loudest that something must be done by others to protect
> them when they feel their safety/security is threatened.
>
> Nick
>
>
A pact is as good as the paper it's written on. Hopefully it is more than
just a pact.
Scott
We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
histroical allies.
Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
"H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >
> > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
the
> country they would support.
>
> > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > lap-dog for Bush?
>
>
> > But there are forces working in Australia to break the security
> > agreements made between Australia and the US. You may have read many
> > slanderous remarks being made against the US, even here in this ng,
> > which the silent majority of Australia seems to feel unaffected. If
> > stupidity can be recognized by what's said with the intent to destroy
> > unity, one need only to read what's unchangingly being said by those who
> > appear to be either ignorant of the damage that can be done or is
> > intentionally intent upon doing damage.
> >
> > Nick
As I said earlier, on the front lawn of the Russel Complex in Canberra - the
nerve centre of the ADF - sits a big pillar with an American eagle on top,
watching over us.
It'd be suicide for any political party to contemplate walking away from our
current security arrangements.
I know Bob Brown won't be too thrilled to hear that.
"NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> NickC wrote:
> >
> >
> > Nigel Morris wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the
NZ
> >> under the ANZUS treaty.
> >>
> >> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come
> >> to our
> >> aid if we were attacked.
> >
> >
> > When Japan conquered the Philippine Islands, Australian security became
> > immediately threatened by the Japanese. Australia was not militarily
> > equipped to combat Japanese forces if the Japanese attacked Australia.
> > To this day, I do think that Australia cannot mount a sustaining action
> > to insure its sovereignty. The US has pledged to protect the sovereignty
> > of Australia, and will do so, but is no longer obligated to protect the
> > sovereignty of New Zealand; because of New Zealand's actions, not
> > because the US backed out of the treaty.
> >
> > "When the treaty to Australian security became in doubt,"
>
> Revise that to read, "When the threat to Australian became in doubt,"
>
> The result of too thinking too many thoughts at the same time.
>
> Nick
>
> >US troops and
> > equipment were sent to Australia to beef up Australian defenses. Later,
> > it was from Australia that the Americans launched the invasion of the
> > Philippines to free them from the forces of Japan and secure the safety
> > of Australia.
> >
> > I am without doubt that should Australia be threatened again, the US
> > would support Australia, in spite of the stupidity of many Australian's
> > who think the US is nothing more than a blood sucking oil hungry nation.
> > Read:
> >
> > http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/anzus/anzus-treaty.shtml
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint
> >> facilities"
> >> at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
> >> intelligence-gathering network?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Nigel Morris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> >>>> histroical allies.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
> >>> the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
> >>> repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
> >>> and New Zealand against enemy attack.
> >>>
> >>> However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
> >>> US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
> >>> Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
> >>> Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
> >>> prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get
a
> >>>>> computer print out to see in which country they make more money.
> >>>>> This is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> country they would support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or
a
> >>>>>> lap-dog for Bush?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
under the ANZUS treaty.
I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come to our
aid if we were attacked.
Whatever other ties our two nations may have, aren't the "joint facilities"
at Pine Gap and other places an integral part of the US
intelligence-gathering network?
"NickC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Nigel Morris wrote:
> > We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> > histroical allies.
> >
> > Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>
> There is also a pact that was signed by Australia, New Zealand, and
> the US (after WW2) that opens ports for US Navy ships to dock for
> repairs and supplies and in return pledges the US to protect Australia
> and New Zealand against enemy attack.
>
> However, New Zealand broke the pact when it denied an atomic powered
> US aircraft carrier access to a New Zealand port. But the pact between
> Australia and the US is still in force. The US is pledged to protect
> Australia in the event Australia is threatened. I don't know the
> prevailing politics concerning New Zealand.
>
> Nick
>
> >
> >
> > "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> >>>
> >>>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >>
> >>If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> >>computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
> >
> > the
> >
> >>country they would support.
> >>
> >>
> >>>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> >>>lap-dog for Bush?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
President Bush and Australians.
Most reasonably intelligent and informed Australians realise Australia is a
relatively small country with almost no heavy industry, and almost entirely
unable to defend itself against the main type of army that would be close
enough to invade - a large Asian army. We were sheltered for most of our
existence under Pax Brittanica - It was a massive shock to the populace when
we called for Britain to defend us, and got told that it was impossible and
that we should depoulate our own country to defend them.
We were always good trading partners with America - California was raised on
Australian beef before the depression. We recognised them as a possible
superpower, and when they came into the war and we became their ancillary
force instead of an ancillary force attached to the Empire, there was a lot
of hand wringing and mental re calculation - but the realities were set.
Since we have been protected by our vastly populated neighbours by the
nuclear umbrella, and we have supported the US with troops in the previous
big fights in our region, Korea and Vietnam, when notably our former
masters, England, did not.
We have integrated the happy co-incidence of our geography into their
information networks, and have been one of the few countries to court the
possibility of millions of dollars of revenue by allowing a possible U.S.
base - (How's it going, Hobart?).
Anyone with the slightest clue in Australia knows in defence term we are a
pimple on an ass - our army guys regularly say they could defend Australia
for about 2 weeks of heavy conflict. If they were lucky.
And we have no heavy industry to replace war materials, and would have to
sell our own contry in promised resources to fund a conflict of any
intensity.
So we look at Bush with a sort of cautious respect that the little guys
looks up to the big, we respect the protection, but we know he make mistakes
that would lead to trouble for all of us and we could get an even worse big
guy in charge.
Our own leaders are like surfers. They can ride the waves and try and look
cool, but know the surf is the real force and can pound them into little
bits. Brittania ruled the waves, but those days are long gone. Now Bush
makes the waves, and we hope he is not bankrupting his country or causing
the next big recession, as that wave would really suck, and surfing in dead
calm economic waters means no one is going to have any fun out on the surf.
Bart
Inver <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Nigel Morris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> > histroical allies.
> >
> > Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
> >
> The lefty wankers on here would never have heard of it. The battle that
> saved Australia with the loss of thousands of American lives. And you can
> bet all the US haters will be the last to enlist and the first to cry for
> help if ever our country needs defending again.
>
I was in the US Navy (on a destroyer) from '56 to '60. On our 2nd Pacific
cruise, we went to Melbourne (from San Diego) We were there for the, "Coral
Sea Celebration". During those 10 days, it was impossible for an American
sailor to buy a beer, or spend any money at all.....There were parties and
dances that lasted far into the night every day.......I'll never forget the
kindness and gratitude of the Australian people for the American effort
against the Japanese at the battle of the Coral Sea........
I'm no longer a slave to America. I left because it sucks. Born and raised
in a place where they can take your children from you without so much as a
reciept for them. Innocent until proven guilty... No you're not. I am living
proof of that. The goovernemnt creates so many entities that get involved in
your life without factual evidence and wreck it. Who suffers more when these
things happen? We the adults? No, the children!
Bart <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >So slavery was never really abolished, just renamed to "political
> >expediency" ?
>
> Are we slaves to the U.S.? Not that I noticed. We still get to make our
> decisions. We simply go with the power that power happens to be heading in
> roughly the same way. If America flies of the rails totally, we can still
> tell them to go jump. And political expediency is a greater force than
> slavery these days anyway.
>
>
>
>
Well said Lee. How soon they all forget and how soon they all come to the
USA looking for help.
"Lee C. Carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Isn't it amazing how all these people trash the U.S. and it's leaders when
> they seem to be in no imminent danger. But, let their ass get in a ringer
> and who do they call? That's right...USA USA!!!
>
> We ARE getting tired of saving the world...Germany...Japan...Germany
> again..oh, and what happened to Communism? Thank you Mr. Reagan! Now we're
> fighting terrorists and everyone just sits on the sidelines (Brits
excluded)
> benefiting from our endeavors...as usual.
>
> Just thank us that you're still speaking English!
>
>
> "Inver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "PEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > > >
> > > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or
a
> > > > lap-dog for Bush?
> > >
> > > I do not think USA will do anything in this world if it is not of
> benefit
> > to
> > > USA.
> > > I have several US friends and most of the people are good people I am
> > sure,
> > > but the US administration is another matter.
> > > They seem to think they have the right to do whatever they want in
this
> > > world.
> > > Blain and Howard are both lab dogs of Bush.
> > > Blair could be in trouble however Howard seem to be in a strong
position
> > in
> > > Australia.
> > > PEM
> > >
> > >
> > Utter childish bullshit. Get off daddy's computer.
> >
> >
>
>
"Lee C. Carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Just thank us that you're still speaking English!
>
>
English is an inferior language! ;o )
>So slavery was never really abolished, just renamed to "political
>expediency" ?
Are we slaves to the U.S.? Not that I noticed. We still get to make our
decisions. We simply go with the power that power happens to be heading in
roughly the same way. If America flies of the rails totally, we can still
tell them to go jump. And political expediency is a greater force than
slavery these days anyway.
"Polyglot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >So slavery was never really abolished, just renamed to "political
> > >expediency" ?
> >
> > Are we slaves to the U.S.? Not that I noticed. We still get to make our
> > decisions. We simply go with the power that power happens to be heading
in
> > roughly the same way.
>
> Yes in principle we have the right to choose to differ - but (see next)
...
>
> > If America flies of the rails totally, we can still
> > tell them to go jump.
>
> I believe I (and many others) have
> 1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with
the
> direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be facing
> war crimes charges.
> 2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of
the
> internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
>
> I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
> rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us "slaves"
> of US foreign policy.
Bullshit.
Nick
>
> > And political expediency is a greater force than
> > slavery these days anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Saving the world?
So which country only entered WWI when they worked out who would win? US...
I forgot the other letter...
Canada was at least there from the start.
Who entered WWII when they had to (i.e. Pearl Harbour got hit DESPITE
warnings from... the Australians!)? US... you know the letter. Damn if I
cant remember it. Not important enough.
As soon as that third world nation stops thinking its a superpower, the
better.
(These are my own comments and in no way represent the people of this
newsgroup)
"Lee C. Carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Isn't it amazing how all these people trash the U.S. and it's leaders when
> they seem to be in no imminent danger. But, let their ass get in a ringer
> and who do they call? That's right...USA USA!!!
>
> We ARE getting tired of saving the world...Germany...Japan...Germany
> again..oh, and what happened to Communism? Thank you Mr. Reagan! Now we're
> fighting terrorists and everyone just sits on the sidelines (Brits
excluded)
> benefiting from our endeavors...as usual.
>
> Just thank us that you're still speaking English!
>
>
> "Inver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "PEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > > >
> > > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or
a
> > > > lap-dog for Bush?
> > >
> > > I do not think USA will do anything in this world if it is not of
> benefit
> > to
> > > USA.
> > > I have several US friends and most of the people are good people I am
> > sure,
> > > but the US administration is another matter.
> > > They seem to think they have the right to do whatever they want in
this
> > > world.
> > > Blain and Howard are both lab dogs of Bush.
> > > Blair could be in trouble however Howard seem to be in a strong
position
> > in
> > > Australia.
> > > PEM
> > >
> > >
> > Utter childish bullshit. Get off daddy's computer.
> >
> >
>
>
"gday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> what so illiterate about it action jackson?
I guess that answers your question Jack Black. If he can't even see what's
wrong with it..............sheesh.
> "Jack Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "regered"?? Are you as illiterate as you come across in this post?
> >
> > Go away, troll...
> >
> >
> > "defcon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Someone once regered to John Howard as a Bonsi....a little bush!
> > >
> > > The LoxFather <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > > >
> > > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > > >
> > > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or
a
> > > > lap-dog for Bush?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
"gday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > > what so illiterate about it action jackson?
> >
> > I guess that answers your question Jack Black. If he can't even see
> what's
> > wrong with it..............sheesh.
>
> well do you mind telling me whats wrong with it, or are you just as
> illiterate as your mate action jackson....what is it with you alp/liberal
> supporters and ignorance?..PLEASE EXPLAIN...dont just call me illigitimate
> for nothing sunshine..explain why you think so..as far as im aware what i
> said is correct .that is unless you can prove me wrong, which id doubt
very
> much
No need to get so worked up you "illigitimate" idiot. "im" sure you have
far more displays of idiocy to display. "id" keep them to a minimum if I
were you.
"gday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "id" keep them to a minimum if I were you.
>
> (PLEASE EXPLAIN?)
No - you're too "illigitimate" to understand.
"Wemyss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK gday...I'll type real slow, and use small words, so you understand...
>
> 1. From the part of the post that started it all: regered...what kind of
> word is that?
>
> 2. Your use of "id". the id is one of the following:
> a. the id is part of your subconcious...a Freudian term
> b. id is also a software company (Doom, etc.)
> c. Id is also a cartoon country where a wizard resides
>
> 3. "well id a gree..." "what so illiterate..." what kind of grammar is
> that?
>
> 4. No one ever called you illegitimate, except you.
>
> Do you understand now? If not, then illiterate is an accurate
> description...wait, those words may be too big for you. Try this:
>
> Jack Black was right.
>
> Clear enough?
Oh, you bothered to explain? They still wouldn't get it though.
>
> Wemyss
>
>
> "gday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "id" keep them to a minimum if I were you.
> >
> > (PLEASE EXPLAIN?)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
OK gday...I'll type real slow, and use small words, so you understand...
1. From the part of the post that started it all: regered...what kind of
word is that?
2. Your use of "id". the id is one of the following:
a. the id is part of your subconcious...a Freudian term
b. id is also a software company (Doom, etc.)
c. Id is also a cartoon country where a wizard resides
3. "well id a gree..." "what so illiterate..." what kind of grammar is
that?
4. No one ever called you illegitimate, except you.
Do you understand now? If not, then illiterate is an accurate
description...wait, those words may be too big for you. Try this:
Jack Black was right.
Clear enough?
Wemyss
"gday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "id" keep them to a minimum if I were you.
>
> (PLEASE EXPLAIN?)
> >
> >
>
>
What about the bushfires last year?
Didn't plan too well for that..
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:26:03 +1000, "Nigel Morris"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Best planned city in the world, Canberra.
> I believe I (and many others) have
> 1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with
the
> direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be facing
> war crimes charges.
> 2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of
the
> internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
>
> I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
> rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us "slaves"
> of US foreign policy.
A helpful quote I noticed elsewhere -
Whoever has an army has power.. and war decides everything
--Mao Tse-Tung
Australia barely has an army - so we are an ally with someone who does. I
see a world of difference between ally and slave. I agree that what Bush has
done in Iraq is dubious in it's legality. So it comes down to power. What is
the defining point whereby Bush's actions will be decided as legal or
illegal? As right or as wrong? That will be the next election. If Bush has
breached the constitution, and has done so in a way that is unacceptable to
the American people, his administration will be kicked out. That is assuming
the Democrats can find their asses with both hands.
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:48:54 +1000, "Polyglot"
<[email protected]> typed furiously:
>[snip]
>> > I believe I (and many others) have
>> > 1) made an excellent case for the illegality of the war with Iraq, with
>> the
>> > direct consequence that Bush (and therefore Erica Howard) should be
>facing
>> > war crimes charges.
>> > 2) demonstrated the unacceptability (in terms of the US constitution) of
>> the
>> > internment of British / Australian citizens without being charged.
>> >
>> > I would suggest that, to use your expression "America has gone off the
>> > rails" and for Australia to be following the US on this makes us
>"slaves"
>> > of US foreign policy.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>> Nick
>>
>
>Ah what repartee ! What logic ! What incisiveness ! What legal perception !
>How appropriate you should post such an in depth analysis to "aus.jokes" et
>al. I cannot compete with such wisdom, so excuse me if I terminate this
>conversation ...
>
>[snip]
>
Answer like with like.
--
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David Simpson
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"Nigel Morris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> We owe the US a great deal for their help in World War II; they are
> histroical allies.
>
> Does the battle of the Coral Sea ring a bell?
>
>
> "H.Dickmann" <HERPEM@bigpond,com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > >
> > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> >
> > If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> > computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is
> the
> > country they would support.
> >
> > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > > lap-dog for Bush?
> >
> >
>
>
Yes, you are our allies, an we are yours. There are a great many people in
the USA too who go to bed at night in comfortable safety, ignorant to the
fact that freedom is not free. They are pacifists to the detriment of real
long lasting peace. They sleep comfortably due to the sheding of others'
blood.
In article <[email protected]>,
HERPEM@bigpond says...
> If Australia were at war with one of our neighbours, Bush would get a
> computer print out to see in which country they make more money. This is the
> country they would support.
>
That happens to be Australia.
--
RDKirk
"Men occasionally stumble on the truth, but most of them pick themselves
up
and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill
Isn't it amazing how all these people trash the U.S. and it's leaders when
they seem to be in no imminent danger. But, let their ass get in a ringer
and who do they call? That's right...USA USA!!!
We ARE getting tired of saving the world...Germany...Japan...Germany
again..oh, and what happened to Communism? Thank you Mr. Reagan! Now we're
fighting terrorists and everyone just sits on the sidelines (Brits excluded)
benefiting from our endeavors...as usual.
Just thank us that you're still speaking English!
"Inver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "PEM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > How do Australians feel about George Bush?
> > >
> > > Do you consider the United States a good friend?
> > >
> > > What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> > > lap-dog for Bush?
> >
> > I do not think USA will do anything in this world if it is not of
benefit
> to
> > USA.
> > I have several US friends and most of the people are good people I am
> sure,
> > but the US administration is another matter.
> > They seem to think they have the right to do whatever they want in this
> > world.
> > Blain and Howard are both lab dogs of Bush.
> > Blair could be in trouble however Howard seem to be in a strong position
> in
> > Australia.
> > PEM
> >
> >
> Utter childish bullshit. Get off daddy's computer.
>
>
On 9 Aug 2003 02:15:54 -0700, [email protected] (The LoxFather)
typed furiously:
>How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
Who?
>Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
Where?
>What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
>lap-dog for Bush?
Who are they?
--
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David Simpson
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Nigel Morris <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yes, I think the US has officially suspended their obligations to the NZ
> under the ANZUS treaty.
>
> I just don't know why some people imagine that the US would not come to
our
> aid if we were attacked.
The US would come to any English-speaking country in the world today if they
were attacked. (unless they were attacked by some other English speaking
country.)
Goodness must be triumphing!
"The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do Australians feel about George Bush?
>
> Do you consider the United States a good friend?
>
> What are your thoughts about Tony Blair? Is a he a great leader? Or a
> lap-dog for Bush?