"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
told
> me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
full
Do you have more details? Explanation for how the rake angle was so
perverted? Did they offer a replacement blade and you asked for the $$?
Enquiring minds, dontch'a know...
Thanks
I'm, of course, not referring to shops producing IKEA's stuff.
Custom made and "custom" priced. ;-)
Have you tried, or seen the results from the Freud glue line blades?
Renata
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:34:17 -0600, "todd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> First of all, I'd like you to define "half as well". If the WWII
>> produces a mirror smooth finish, what's your Freud produce that you
>> define "half as good" - rough sawn lumber? Or are you one of those
>> that tries to get your wood cut to a precision within millionths of an
>> inch?
>>
>> How many pro shops use WWII's (I know of at least four medium to
>> approaching large that don't, personally)? Fascinating that they
>> (pros) could increase their time and quality by a fairly small
>> investment, but don't.
>>
>> My point is that if you're tighter on money, I'm not sure the
>> investment in the WWII is worth it. If you got more than you know
>> what to do with, by all means blow it on the WWII.
>>
>> And last but not least, the Oldham Signature Series produces a damn
>> fine cut that is mirror smooth - and costs a tad more than 1/2 that of
>> the WWII (or did when I got mine about a year or so ago).
>>
>> Renata
>
>I define "half as well" as "not nearly as well". The WWII, which came with
>the saw when I bought it used, just plain cut smoother than the Freud I
>bought when the WWII needed sharpening. Like I said, this was IMO. YMMV.
>As for the production shops, maybe they have other interests than producing
>smooth cuts. Maybe what a Freud does is "good enough".
>
>todd
>
smart, not dumb for email
Production defined for high end (really high end, meant for million
plus dollar homes) custom woodwork/furniture...not carpentry.
Renata
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:47:15 -0800, "Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote:
>
>No offense but isn't the term "production" when used with the word "quality
>mirror smooth" an oxymoron? I do a fair amount of "production work" for my
>construction business. I also build furniture for a hobby. You can pretty
>much guarantee when it comes time for "production", my beloved WW2 gets
>hidden in the closet and the freud comes out for use. And who ever it was
>(Todd?) said the freud was half as good as the forrest is dead on. Infact a
>dull forrest is still a better cut than a sharp freud. IMHO, YMMV. Hope
>this helps.
>SH
>
Interspersed...
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:14:09 GMT, "PM6564"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Production defined for high end (really high end, meant for million
>> plus dollar homes) custom woodwork/furniture...not carpentry.
>>
>> Renata
>
>Don't worry about it. If they guy want to use a WWII, that's his
>perogotive. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with my 40.00 Freud. It gives
>me glue line rips every time. The only time I take a board to the jointer
>is when I'm trying to sneak up on perfect fit. It's a lot easier to take
>1/64" off that it is to put it back on. Want me to tell you about the thin
>kerf Freud I got on Ebay for 5.00?
NO!
>The guy didn't have a sharpening service
>in his town and didn't want to be bothered with mailing it off so he just
>sold it. Cost me another 8.00 to get it sharpened.
>
So, here's the obligatory "You Suck", but in this case quite WELL
DESERVED! Argh! GUess I oughta start scanning ebay.
Renata
>
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Jim wrote:
>
>> Oh, the saw blade...from the subject line I thought the French had
>> surrendered again!
>> :)
>
> Care to give advice for how I can get this popcorn dislodged from the
> inside of my nose?
>
> At least I didn't spill my drink. Lucky for you.
>
Sorry about that. From now on I'll try to give fair warning....
"A Dog Named Stain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> > Hey All
> >
> > I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable.
> He told
> > me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me
> a full
> > refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
> >
> > Chef
>
>
> Buy 2 Freuds.
That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about half of
what a WWII is.
todd
You could get a Forrest WWII
"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey All
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
told
> me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
full
> refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
>
> Chef
>
>
I agree! They'd probably rather give you two blades than the cash anyway.
It keeps you as a customer and you end up with a better deal than you
started with (to offset your hassles). Seems like a better win-win deal
than getting your money back.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tell them NO rebate refund. You want TWO new blades. That is a pretty
> bad screw-up.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:02:00 GMT, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hey All
> >
> >I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
told
> >me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
full
> >refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
> >
> >Chef
> >
>
To get burning like that, it would have to be the side rake angle that was
reversed. Easy to do. Very few (if any) makers of woodsay blades gring the
side rake. The tips are sintered to shape and brazed on. If you were to
braze them on upside down, reverse rake is the result.
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
> told
> > me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
> full
>
> Do you have more details? Explanation for how the rake angle was so
> perverted? Did they offer a replacement blade and you asked for the $$?
>
> Enquiring minds, dontch'a know...
> Thanks
>
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> todd wrote:
>
> >> Buy 2 Freuds.
> >
> > That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about
half of
> > what a WWII is.
>
> And they cost half as much, so that works out perfectly. At least you
get
> what you pay for with both of them.
Actually, they only cost about a third as much. You can use one while
the other's being sharpened and still have enough left for a bottle of
Bushmills Single Malt.
"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey All
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
told
> me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
full
> refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
>
> Chef
>
>
I guess I should talk to them as well as I've had a WWII that I've not been
happy with. Always burns on rip cuts even on soft woods like poplar.
I wonder how you could reverse the rake angle?
Gary
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Interspersed...
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:14:09 GMT, "PM6564"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Production defined for high end (really high end, meant for million
> >> plus dollar homes) custom woodwork/furniture...not carpentry.
> >>
> >> Renata
> >
> >Don't worry about it. If they guy want to use a WWII, that's his
> >perogotive. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with my 40.00 Freud. It
gives
> >me glue line rips every time. The only time I take a board to the
jointer
> >is when I'm trying to sneak up on perfect fit. It's a lot easier to take
> >1/64" off that it is to put it back on. Want me to tell you about the
thin
> >kerf Freud I got on Ebay for 5.00?
>
> NO!
>
> >The guy didn't have a sharpening service
> >in his town and didn't want to be bothered with mailing it off so he just
> >sold it. Cost me another 8.00 to get it sharpened.
he didn't want to mail it to a sharpening place, but he mailed it to you?
>
> So, here's the obligatory "You Suck", but in this case quite WELL
> DESERVED! Argh! GUess I oughta start scanning ebay.
>
> Renata
> >
>
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:02:00 GMT, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey All
>
>I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He told
>me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a full
>refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
If it's WRONG, why not try one that's made correctly?
Barry
First of all, I'd like you to define "half as well". If the WWII
produces a mirror smooth finish, what's your Freud produce that you
define "half as good" - rough sawn lumber? Or are you one of those
that tries to get your wood cut to a precision within millionths of an
inch?
How many pro shops use WWII's (I know of at least four medium to
approaching large that don't, personally)? Fascinating that they
(pros) could increase their time and quality by a fairly small
investment, but don't.
My point is that if you're tighter on money, I'm not sure the
investment in the WWII is worth it. If you got more than you know
what to do with, by all means blow it on the WWII.
And last but not least, the Oldham Signature Series produces a damn
fine cut that is mirror smooth - and costs a tad more than 1/2 that of
the WWII (or did when I got mine about a year or so ago).
Renata
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:33:26 -0600, "todd"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> todd wrote:
>>
>> >> Buy 2 Freuds.
>> >
>> > That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about half of
>> > what a WWII is.
>>
>> And they cost half as much, so that works out perfectly. At least you get
>> what you pay for with both of them.
>>
>> --
>> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
>> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
>> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
>Notice that I say they were "worth" half as much, not that they cost half as
>much. Which would be fine except that they also cut about half as well,
>IMO.
>
>todd
>
smart, not dumb for email
Renata wrote:
> First of all, I'd like you to define "half as well". If the WWII
> produces a mirror smooth finish, what's your Freud produce that you
> define "half as good" - rough sawn lumber? Or are you one of those
> that tries to get your wood cut to a precision within millionths of an
> inch?
Me? Hell no. If it's only off by 1/32" I consider myself lucky, but my saw
and fence are both seriously crappy. I doubt I could get the most out of a
WWII either, and I'm not prepared to spend the cash to see if it would even
be a better performer.
My Freud (TK960, thin kerf, I think 40 tpi) makes cuts that need a couple of
light passes with a smoothing plane to clean up. Light saw marks mostly.
Sometimes decidedly heavy saw marks, but much of that probably comes down
to slop in the saw.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Jim wrote:
> Oh, the saw blade...from the subject line I thought the French had
> surrendered again!
> :)
Care to give advice for how I can get this popcorn dislodged from the inside
of my nose?
At least I didn't spill my drink. Lucky for you.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
> >
> > >The guy didn't have a sharpening service
> > >in his town and didn't want to be bothered with mailing it off so he
just
> > >sold it. Cost me another 8.00 to get it sharpened.
>
> he didn't want to mail it to a sharpening place, but he mailed it to you?
The world is full of people who make my framing hammer look smart.
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Production defined for high end (really high end, meant for million
> plus dollar homes) custom woodwork/furniture...not carpentry.
>
> Renata
Don't worry about it. If they guy want to use a WWII, that's his
perogotive. Personally, I'm perfectly happy with my 40.00 Freud. It gives
me glue line rips every time. The only time I take a board to the jointer
is when I'm trying to sneak up on perfect fit. It's a lot easier to take
1/64" off that it is to put it back on. Want me to tell you about the thin
kerf Freud I got on Ebay for 5.00? The guy didn't have a sharpening service
in his town and didn't want to be bothered with mailing it off so he just
sold it. Cost me another 8.00 to get it sharpened.
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First of all, I'd like you to define "half as well". If the WWII
> produces a mirror smooth finish, what's your Freud produce that you
> define "half as good" - rough sawn lumber? Or are you one of those
> that tries to get your wood cut to a precision within millionths of an
> inch?
>
> How many pro shops use WWII's (I know of at least four medium to
> approaching large that don't, personally)? Fascinating that they
> (pros) could increase their time and quality by a fairly small
> investment, but don't.
>
> My point is that if you're tighter on money, I'm not sure the
> investment in the WWII is worth it. If you got more than you know
> what to do with, by all means blow it on the WWII.
>
> And last but not least, the Oldham Signature Series produces a damn
> fine cut that is mirror smooth - and costs a tad more than 1/2 that of
> the WWII (or did when I got mine about a year or so ago).
>
> Renata
I define "half as well" as "not nearly as well". The WWII, which came with
the saw when I bought it used, just plain cut smoother than the Freud I
bought when the WWII needed sharpening. Like I said, this was IMO. YMMV.
As for the production shops, maybe they have other interests than producing
smooth cuts. Maybe what a Freud does is "good enough".
todd
"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Hey All
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable.
He told
> me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me
a full
> refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
>
> Chef
Buy 2 Freuds.
Tell them NO rebate refund. You want TWO new blades. That is a pretty
bad screw-up.
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:02:00 GMT, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey All
>
>I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He told
>me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a full
>refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
>
>Chef
>
todd wrote:
>> Buy 2 Freuds.
>
> That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about half of
> what a WWII is.
And they cost half as much, so that works out perfectly. At least you get
what you pay for with both of them.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey All
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable. He
told
> me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to give me a
full
> refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
Uhm, buy another ww2? I like mine.
SH
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:PjDqb.131551$HS4.1042156@attbi_s01...
> I agree! They'd probably rather give you two blades than the cash anyway.
> It keeps you as a customer and you end up with a better deal than you
> started with (to offset your hassles). Seems like a better win-win deal
> than getting your money back.
Plus the chance to sharpen two blade rather than 1. ;-)
SH
"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First of all, I'd like you to define "half as well". If the WWII
> produces a mirror smooth finish, what's your Freud produce that you
> define "half as good" - rough sawn lumber? Or are you one of those
> that tries to get your wood cut to a precision within millionths of an
> inch?
>
> How many pro shops use WWII's (I know of at least four medium to
> approaching large that don't, personally)? Fascinating that they
> (pros) could increase their time and quality by a fairly small
> investment, but don't.
>
> My point is that if you're tighter on money, I'm not sure the
> investment in the WWII is worth it. If you got more than you know
> what to do with, by all means blow it on the WWII.
>
> And last but not least, the Oldham Signature Series produces a damn
> fine cut that is mirror smooth - and costs a tad more than 1/2 that of
> the WWII (or did when I got mine about a year or so ago).
No offense but isn't the term "production" when used with the word "quality
mirror smooth" an oxymoron? I do a fair amount of "production work" for my
construction business. I also build furniture for a hobby. You can pretty
much guarantee when it comes time for "production", my beloved WW2 gets
hidden in the closet and the freud comes out for use. And who ever it was
(Todd?) said the freud was half as good as the forrest is dead on. Infact a
dull forrest is still a better cut than a sharp freud. IMHO, YMMV. Hope
this helps.
SH
>
> Renata
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 20:33:26 -0600, "todd"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> todd wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Buy 2 Freuds.
> >> >
> >> > That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about half
of
> >> > what a WWII is.
> >>
> >> And they cost half as much, so that works out perfectly. At least you
get
> >> what you pay for with both of them.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> >> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> >> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
> >
> >Notice that I say they were "worth" half as much, not that they cost half
as
> >much. Which would be fine except that they also cut about half as well,
> >IMO.
> >
> >todd
> >
>
> smart, not dumb for email
"PM6564" <[email protected]> sezzed > >The world is full of
people who make my framing >hammer look smart.
LOL! Spit my coffee on my keyboard. Hope you don't mind if I use it ;-)
SH
Oh, the saw blade...from the subject line I thought the French had
surrendered again!
:)
"Master Chef Richard Campbell" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hey All
>
> I just heard from Jason that my WWII is defective and unsharpenable.
> He told me that the rake angle was almost reversed. They are going to
> give me a full refund. Now I have to decide what to do with my ~$100.
>
> Chef
>
>
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> todd wrote:
>
> >> Buy 2 Freuds.
> >
> > That's about right. Based on my experience, they're worth about half of
> > what a WWII is.
>
> And they cost half as much, so that works out perfectly. At least you get
> what you pay for with both of them.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Notice that I say they were "worth" half as much, not that they cost half as
much. Which would be fine except that they also cut about half as well,
IMO.
todd