I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
better ideas or just got overlooked there.
Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was
just a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok,
they're cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a
little better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the
same/similar would help.
I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting
the dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to
go w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version
of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a
little better action?
Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
--
On Mar 5, 11:38=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Somethging to consider about loosing that inch on the side, you often gai=
n
> more room in the back as you can build the drawer to go all the way to th=
e
> back of the cabinet and you can pull the drawer all the way out.
>
Excellent point.
> =A0Could turn these into some other storage I'm sure if did so.
>
> --
My neighbor replaced her kitchen drawers. I have the old ones, to be
installed in the shop, somewhere. Only a few of the same size,
though, but a custom carcass may be perfect. Yep, use them for your
shop or other need.
I like Leon's cue, to make new ones that are deeper, into the cabinet,
with side mounts.
Sonny
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
>answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
>better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>
> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
> folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>
> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was just
> a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok, they're
> cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a little
> better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the same/similar
> would help.
>
> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
> and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting the
> dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>
> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
> don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to go
> w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>
> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version of
> the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a little
> better action?
>
> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
> slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>
> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
>
> --
Ok, I typically use side mounted full extension slides that are self
closing and also available as soft close. These will however require 1/2"
clearance on both sides.
Concerning the slides you have a link to above, I used that slide for our
kitchen when I remodeled it 20+ years ago however I used the Accuride brand.
They are good slides and I doubt that there is much difference in quality
from the KV brand.
The problem with this style center mount slide is that when they are
extended they will let the drawer bounce up and down a bit when extended
more than half way. I don't think that I would trust a center mount full
extension if there is a such thing. These type slides are typically a 2/3
extension meaning that 1/3 of your drawer will still be inside the cabinet
when pulled out all the way. Additionally they require a nylon nailed in
pad on both sides of the drawer opening to balance the drawer. Clearance is
critical.
If I were in your position I would strongly consider building new drawers if
necessary and going with the side mount full extension slides, most have a
100# rating while most center mount slides have a 35# rating.
dpb <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 3/5/2011 8:17 AM, Leon wrote:
>> "dpb"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but
>>> nobody answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz
>>> nobody had any better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>>>
>>> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for
>>> the folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>>>
>>> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that
>>> was just a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the
>>> inexpensive (ok, they're cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like
>>> something that is a little better feel if there is something; at
>>> worst a new set of the same/similar would help.
>>>
>>> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the
>>> remake and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts
>>> and cutting the dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>>>
>>> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts
>>> and I don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller
>>> drawers to go w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>>>
>>> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality
>>> version of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so
>>> feels a little better action?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin
>>> UMHF slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount
>>> of time...
>>>
>>> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Ok, I typically use side mounted full extension slides that are self
>> closing and also available as soft close. These will however require
>> 1/2" clearance on both sides.
>>
>> Concerning the slides you have a link to above, I used that slide for
>> our kitchen when I remodeled it 20+ years ago however I used the
>> Accuride brand. They are good slides and I doubt that there is much
>> difference in quality from the KV brand.
>>
>> The problem with this style center mount slide is that when they are
>> extended they will let the drawer bounce up and down a bit when
>> extended more than half way. I don't think that I would trust a
>> center mount full extension if there is a such thing. These type
>> slides are typically a 2/3 extension meaning that 1/3 of your drawer
>> will still be inside the cabinet when pulled out all the way.
>> Additionally they require a nylon nailed in pad on both sides of the
>> drawer opening to balance the drawer. Clearance is critical.
>>
>> If I were in your position I would strongly consider building new
>> drawers if necessary and going with the side mount full extension
>> slides, most have a 100# rating while most center mount slides have a
>> 35# rating.
>
> OK, that's the hands on kind of data I was hoping someone had (as well
> as catwatcher's but his app was much different) as I haven't used
> these previously.
>
> In this tiny kitchen that doesn't have the luxury of being modified I
> do hate to give up even the extra inch width in the drawers so I'm
> thinking I'll go this route on a trial drawer or two and see how we
> like them.
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as a full-extension center mount;
> as you say there would be nothing to support the drawer. These data
> sheets say 3/4 extension; that's about what the current do so wouldn't
> lose much, it seems on that front.
>
> I figure there's really no reason one couldn't mount two to add
> stability and load rating if need be; all it would be is to ensure
> they're truly parallel to each other. These drawers aren't very wide
> and don't weigh much, though, except one utensils drawer is somewhat
> heavier than the others but I've not weighed it but don't think it's
> close to 35#. Of course the higher-rating slides have much better
> feel and longevity these don't have the heft to have, sure...
>
> But, iff'en I'm not satisfied, I'll handcraft t-slides or simply
> insert frames aka a dresser I suppose. Or, just stay cheap and
> replace the existing center-tracks w/ new ones; new rollers there
> would make a fair amount of difference and be the coward's way out...
> :) It hasn't rained/snowed here yet and doesn't appear going to any
> time soon and still early for planting season anyway, so I've got a
> little time yet before farming has to intervene...
It all depends on ow much "stuff" (weightwise) has to go into the
drawers, and how they are exactly mounted now. In my old "sideboards"
purchased in the eighties, I have drawers that slide with grooves in
their sides over 1/2x1/2" plastic strips mounted on the dividers on the
sides of the cabinet space for the drawers. No stops. An alternative
would be UHMW strips stuck onto hardwood slats to support the drawers you
have now.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/5/2011 8:17 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> OK, that's the hands on kind of data I was hoping someone had (as well as
> catwatcher's but his app was much different) as I haven't used these
> previously.
>
> In this tiny kitchen that doesn't have the luxury of being modified I do
> hate to give up even the extra inch width in the drawers so I'm thinking
> I'll go this route on a trial drawer or two and see how we like them.
>
Somethging to consider about loosing that inch on the side, you often gain
more room in the back as you can build the drawer to go all the way to the
back of the cabinet and you can pull the drawer all the way out.
Most drawers are shy 6"-8" of reaching the back of the cabinet.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:04:31 -0600, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version
>of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a
>little better action?
>
>Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
>slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>
>Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
I have used these from Lee Valley have have been happy with them.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=45056&cat=3,43614,43616
http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware/page.aspx?p=50509&cat=3,43614,43616
The first ones are rated at 22 lbs., and the others at 25 lbs. Both
mount the same way and are a friction disconnect.
On 3/4/2011 2:04 PM, dpb wrote:
> I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
> answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
> better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>
> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
> folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>
> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was
> just a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok,
> they're cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a
> little better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the
> same/similar would help.
>
> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
> and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting
> the dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>
> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
> don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to
> go w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>
> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version
> of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a
> little better action?
>
> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
> slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>
> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
OK, forgotten KV makes a ball-bearing center-mount version...
KV1129
<http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm?ProductID=KV1129%20P22>
Unfortunately, ain't nobody in town'll have even remote chance of having
one to take a look at.
Anybody have any input on them or something similar?
PS. Figure could use a couple instead of only one on the one or two
drawers that are moderately heavy (even though don't think they're 35#
fully loaded now). Little more pita to get them aligned, but seems
doable enough if need be.
--
On 3/4/2011 4:21 PM, Sonny wrote:
> How about scabbing 1/4" or 3/8" oak on the inside of the sides, then
> rabbet a slot on the outside, for side mounts.
Possible but I'd build new drawers rather than mung these that way as I
rounded over the top edges of the sides and have been finished on both
inside/outside; both of which would take more effort to work around than
new drawers would.
Is one way that could hang them, though, true...
--
On 3/4/2011 5:42 PM, Nova wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:33:02 -0600, dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/4/2011 2:04 PM, dpb wrote:
>>> I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
>>> answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
>>> better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>>>
>>> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
>>> folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>>>
>>> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was
>>> just a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok,
>>> they're cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a
>>> little better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the
>>> same/similar would help.
>>>
>>> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
>>> and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting
>>> the dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>>>
>>> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
>>> don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to
>>> go w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>>>
>>> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version
>>> of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a
>>> little better action?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
>>> slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>>>
>>> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
>>
>> OK, forgotten KV makes a ball-bearing center-mount version...
>>
>> KV1129
>> <http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm?ProductID=KV1129%20P22>
>>
>> Unfortunately, ain't nobody in town'll have even remote chance of having
>> one to take a look at.
>>
>> Anybody have any input on them or something similar?
>>
>> PS. Figure could use a couple instead of only one on the one or two
>> drawers that are moderately heavy (even though don't think they're 35#
>> fully loaded now). Little more pita to get them aligned, but seems
>> doable enough if need be.
>
> Have you tried the Accuride web site?
>
> http://www.accuride.com/Woodworking/Slide/Default.asp
OK, thanks...they've the 1029 that's quite similar as well; 3/8"
clearance compared to 1/4" on the KV; don't know if that translates to
slightly larger ball or not.
--
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
>answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
>better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>
> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
> (snip)
I used similar center mount slides in large dresser that I refinished
several years ago. They worked well until the drawers were overloaded and
the tracks popped apart.. After about 10 years there's only one left. For
those that failed, I remade the drawers with enough side clearance to use
conventional full extension slides.
If your drawers are small and will be lightly loaded, they may work
satisfactorily. Also, they don't have as much travel as regular side mount
slides so things in the back of the drawer tend to be difficult to retrieve.
On 3/5/2011 8:17 AM, Leon wrote:
> "dpb"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
>> answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
>> better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>>
>> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
>> folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>>
>> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was just
>> a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok, they're
>> cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a little
>> better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the same/similar
>> would help.
>>
>> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
>> and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting the
>> dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>>
>> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
>> don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to go
>> w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>>
>> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version of
>> the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a little
>> better action?
>>
>> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
>> slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>>
>> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
>>
>> --
>
> Ok, I typically use side mounted full extension slides that are self
> closing and also available as soft close. These will however require 1/2"
> clearance on both sides.
>
> Concerning the slides you have a link to above, I used that slide for our
> kitchen when I remodeled it 20+ years ago however I used the Accuride brand.
> They are good slides and I doubt that there is much difference in quality
> from the KV brand.
>
> The problem with this style center mount slide is that when they are
> extended they will let the drawer bounce up and down a bit when extended
> more than half way. I don't think that I would trust a center mount full
> extension if there is a such thing. These type slides are typically a 2/3
> extension meaning that 1/3 of your drawer will still be inside the cabinet
> when pulled out all the way. Additionally they require a nylon nailed in
> pad on both sides of the drawer opening to balance the drawer. Clearance is
> critical.
>
> If I were in your position I would strongly consider building new drawers if
> necessary and going with the side mount full extension slides, most have a
> 100# rating while most center mount slides have a 35# rating.
OK, that's the hands on kind of data I was hoping someone had (as well
as catwatcher's but his app was much different) as I haven't used these
previously.
In this tiny kitchen that doesn't have the luxury of being modified I do
hate to give up even the extra inch width in the drawers so I'm thinking
I'll go this route on a trial drawer or two and see how we like them.
I don't think there is such a thing as a full-extension center mount; as
you say there would be nothing to support the drawer. These data sheets
say 3/4 extension; that's about what the current do so wouldn't lose
much, it seems on that front.
I figure there's really no reason one couldn't mount two to add
stability and load rating if need be; all it would be is to ensure
they're truly parallel to each other. These drawers aren't very wide
and don't weigh much, though, except one utensils drawer is somewhat
heavier than the others but I've not weighed it but don't think it's
close to 35#. Of course the higher-rating slides have much better feel
and longevity these don't have the heft to have, sure...
But, iff'en I'm not satisfied, I'll handcraft t-slides or simply insert
frames aka a dresser I suppose. Or, just stay cheap and replace the
existing center-tracks w/ new ones; new rollers there would make a fair
amount of difference and be the coward's way out... :) It hasn't
rained/snowed here yet and doesn't appear going to any time soon and
still early for planting season anyway, so I've got a little time yet
before farming has to intervene...
--
On 3/5/2011 10:38 AM, Leon wrote:
...
> Somethging to consider about loosing that inch on the side, you often gain
> more room in the back as you can build the drawer to go all the way to the
> back of the cabinet and you can pull the drawer all the way out.
>
> Most drawers are shy 6"-8" of reaching the back of the cabinet.
...
That's also a truism, true... :)
Guess I'll think about it a little more; might not be much more effort
for new boxen as compared to the mod's for these. Could turn these into
some other storage I'm sure if did so.
--
On 3/6/2011 8:36 AM, Sonny wrote:
>> Could turn these into some other storage I'm sure if did so.
>>
>> --
>
> My neighbor replaced her kitchen drawers. I have the old ones, to be
> installed in the shop, somewhere. Only a few of the same size,
> though, but a custom carcass may be perfect. Yep, use them for your
> shop or other need.
>
> I like Leon's cue, to make new ones that are deeper, into the cabinet,
> with side mounts.
...
It would probably be ideal given no other constraints, but... :)
Possibly later (as in next year; time is of the essence at the moment as
noted earlier; farming season is approaching and this project has to get
out of way before and much prefer to not have it left over so I think
I'll just do the trial retrofit of these slides and judge from that for
now. They're not expensive so if end up tossing them it'll be no great
expense. Doors and just the drawer fronts is probably going to be lucky
to get done even as is...)
--
On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:33:02 -0600, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/4/2011 2:04 PM, dpb wrote:
>> I asked a follow-up in the (very deep) Domino drawer thread but nobody
>> answered so I'll try a new one and see if that was 'cuz nobody had any
>> better ideas or just got overlooked there.
>>
>> Am refacing cabinets in kitchen that built in place 30+ yr ago for the
>> folks (we're located here now, not that it really matters).
>>
>> The drawers are 7/16" oak side material w/ an overlaid front that was
>> just a butt/rabbet glued at the time and Dad used the inexpensive (ok,
>> they're cheap) center undermount slides. I'd like something that is a
>> little better feel if there is something; at worst a new set of the
>> same/similar would help.
>>
>> I'm going w/ inset doors/drawer fronts instead of half-lip on the remake
>> and was planning on cutting off the existing drawer fronts and cutting
>> the dovetails in the existing sides for new fronts.
>>
>> The problem is that there's insufficient clearance for side mounts and I
>> don't want/can't afford to give up the depth in the smaller drawers to
>> go w/ the fancy Blum or similar good undermounts.
>>
>> Is there any other choice anybody knows of or a better quality version
>> of the center under-mount that has better rollers, etc, so feels a
>> little better action?
>>
>> Otherwise, I could fit as if were doing a dresser drawer w/ thin UMHF
>> slides and dovetail guide system but that also is a fair amount of time...
>>
>> Anyways, just asking for other idears, if any...
>
>OK, forgotten KV makes a ball-bearing center-mount version...
>
>KV1129
><http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm?ProductID=KV1129%20P22>
>
>Unfortunately, ain't nobody in town'll have even remote chance of having
>one to take a look at.
>
>Anybody have any input on them or something similar?
>
>PS. Figure could use a couple instead of only one on the one or two
>drawers that are moderately heavy (even though don't think they're 35#
>fully loaded now). Little more pita to get them aligned, but seems
>doable enough if need be.
Have you tried the Accuride web site?
http://www.accuride.com/Woodworking/Slide/Default.asp
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA