Table Saw Switch Question/Problem?

On Nov 11, 3:52=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:47:30 -0800, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Doncha just love it when you find an easy solution??
>
> Not always! What if it's an easy solution that takes hours and hours
> and hours to find?
>
> Here's my story:
>
> I'm talking about the time that I was using a hole drill under my
> desk. Couldn't see where exactly I was drilling, but it was aimed in
> the right direction and it was turning.
>
> 3/4" side of particle board desk. What? Maybe five minutes max of
> drilling?
>
> After an hour the cordless battery died. Hit the drill with a
> replacement and continued on. Went to a smaller hole drill, figured
> the one I was using was too dull. Another hour wasted. Went to the
> store and bought a new hole drill. Two more hours wasted with a whole
> lot of cursing and swearing. Know I was hitting wood. It wasn't some
> metal device in the way.
>
> FINALLY after four hours of screwing around with this thing, I pulled
> the drill out to realize what I'd been doing wrong all the time.
>
> That damned cordless drill was in reverse. Kicked myself for two weeks
> after that. Actually had a nightmare about it.
>
> Demons come in all forms folks.

Did that with my drill once. Finally noticed on my 3rd bit {sheepish
grin}

-MIKE- said:

>I recently bought this switch for my Delta 36-982 (979) table saw.
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/h8243
>...
>I notice that I have to hold the ON switch/button in until the motor is
>up to speed before I let go of the button, or it disengages. I can
>speculate several reason this might be normal, but just don't know for sure.

Well, it doesn't appear to be a magnetic safety switch, so it
shouldn't do that even if mismatched to the motor.

But it does "appear" to have a relay inside. If purely mechanical,
this should never happen and implies a defective switch. If it
contains a relay, the wiring to your saw may be a bit undersized and
the voltage drop during startup is sufficient for the relay to
de-energize due to low coil voltage. It could also be defective.

Some help, eh?

Have you tried calling Grizzly? I'm sure thy have had ample experience
with this switch.


Greg G.

Greg G. wrote:
> -MIKE- said:
>
>> I recently bought this switch for my Delta 36-982 (979) table saw.
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/h8243
>> ...
>> I notice that I have to hold the ON switch/button in until the motor is
>> up to speed before I let go of the button, or it disengages. I can
>> speculate several reason this might be normal, but just don't know for sure.
>
> Well, it doesn't appear to be a magnetic safety switch, so it
> shouldn't do that even if mismatched to the motor.
>
> But it does "appear" to have a relay inside. If purely mechanical,
> this should never happen and implies a defective switch. If it
> contains a relay, the wiring to your saw may be a bit undersized and
> the voltage drop during startup is sufficient for the relay to
> de-energize due to low coil voltage. It could also be defective.
>
> Some help, eh?
>
> Have you tried calling Grizzly? I'm sure thy have had ample experience
> with this switch.
>

Grizzly was my next call. Figured someone in here might have some
quick info, first.

The wiring is definitely *not* undersized. I'm a bit anal about that
stuff. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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-MIKE- wrote:
>
> Grizzly was my next call. Figured someone in here might have some
> quick info, first.
>
> The wiring is definitely *not* undersized. I'm a bit anal about that
> stuff. :-)
>

Called Grizzly, waited a few seconds, spoke with some who spoke English,
well, who wasn't reading from a script... already a strange customer
service experience. :-)

He said the only way he knew that could happen is that it is wired
backwards: line/load reversed.

I've wired hundreds of switches and like I said, I'm anal, so I'd be
surprised if that's the case.... but I'm going to check. I will laugh.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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>> Called Grizzly, waited a few seconds, spoke with some who spoke English,
>> well, who wasn't reading from a script... already a strange customer
>> service experience. :-)
>
> I've heard that. They have a pretty good repuation.
>
>> He said the only way he knew that could happen is that it is wired
>> backwards: line/load reversed.
>>
>> I've wired hundreds of switches and like I said, I'm anal, so I'd be
>> surprised if that's the case.... but I'm going to check. I will laugh.
>
> Could well be if the switch is a relay switch and not purely
> mechanical one.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Greg G.

Switch and wiring were fine, the mount wasn't.

The box I mounted it to had the switch laying back a little bit from the
faceplate, which wasn't allowing the ON button to travel all the way
back into the box to push the switch as far as it could go.

I sanded the plastic faceplate down about 1/8" and now it's fine.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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Vic Baron wrote:
> Doncha just love it when you find an easy solution??
>
> :)


Yes.
Especially when I haven't attempted to fix all the complex ones,
already. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:47:30 -0800, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Doncha just love it when you find an easy solution??
>
> Not always! What if it's an easy solution that takes hours and hours
> and hours to find?
>
> Here's my story:
>
> I'm talking about the time that I was using a hole drill under my
> desk. Couldn't see where exactly I was drilling, but it was aimed in
> the right direction and it was turning.
>
> 3/4" side of particle board desk. What? Maybe five minutes max of
> drilling?
>
> After an hour the cordless battery died. Hit the drill with a
> replacement and continued on. Went to a smaller hole drill, figured
> the one I was using was too dull. Another hour wasted. Went to the
> store and bought a new hole drill. Two more hours wasted with a whole
> lot of cursing and swearing. Know I was hitting wood. It wasn't some
> metal device in the way.
>
> FINALLY after four hours of screwing around with this thing, I pulled
> the drill out to realize what I'd been doing wrong all the time.
>
> That damned cordless drill was in reverse. Kicked myself for two weeks
> after that. Actually had a nightmare about it.
>
> Demons come in all forms folks.


Done that one so many times, I now look at the switch as soon as I notice
the absence of shavings.

[email protected] wrote:
> FINALLY after four hours of screwing around with this thing, I pulled
> the drill out to realize what I'd been doing wrong all the time.
>
> That damned cordless drill was in reverse. Kicked myself for two weeks
> after that. Actually had a nightmare about it.
>

We've all been there, once.
At least you didn't try to sharped the other side of the teeth. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> Called Grizzly, waited a few seconds, spoke with some who spoke English,
>>> well, who wasn't reading from a script... already a strange customer
>>> service experience. :-)
>>
>> I've heard that. They have a pretty good repuation.
>>
>>> He said the only way he knew that could happen is that it is wired
>>> backwards: line/load reversed.
>>>
>>> I've wired hundreds of switches and like I said, I'm anal, so I'd be
>>> surprised if that's the case.... but I'm going to check. I will laugh.
>>
>> Could well be if the switch is a relay switch and not purely
>> mechanical one.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> Greg G.
>
> Switch and wiring were fine, the mount wasn't.
>
> The box I mounted it to had the switch laying back a little bit from the
> faceplate, which wasn't allowing the ON button to travel all the way
> back into the box to push the switch as far as it could go.
>
> I sanded the plastic faceplate down about 1/8" and now it's fine.
>


Doncha just love it when you find an easy solution??

:)

-MIKE- said:

>Switch and wiring were fine, the mount wasn't.
>
>The box I mounted it to had the switch laying back a little bit from the
>faceplate, which wasn't allowing the ON button to travel all the way
>back into the box to push the switch as far as it could go.
>
>I sanded the plastic faceplate down about 1/8" and now it's fine.

D'oh! Don't you just hate it when that happens. I just assumed...
Glad it's working.

Greg G.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:47:30 -0800, "Vic Baron" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Doncha just love it when you find an easy solution??

Not always! What if it's an easy solution that takes hours and hours
and hours to find?

Here's my story:

I'm talking about the time that I was using a hole drill under my
desk. Couldn't see where exactly I was drilling, but it was aimed in
the right direction and it was turning.

3/4" side of particle board desk. What? Maybe five minutes max of
drilling?

After an hour the cordless battery died. Hit the drill with a
replacement and continued on. Went to a smaller hole drill, figured
the one I was using was too dull. Another hour wasted. Went to the
store and bought a new hole drill. Two more hours wasted with a whole
lot of cursing and swearing. Know I was hitting wood. It wasn't some
metal device in the way.

FINALLY after four hours of screwing around with this thing, I pulled
the drill out to realize what I'd been doing wrong all the time.

That damned cordless drill was in reverse. Kicked myself for two weeks
after that. Actually had a nightmare about it.

Demons come in all forms folks.

-MIKE- said:

>Called Grizzly, waited a few seconds, spoke with some who spoke English,
>well, who wasn't reading from a script... already a strange customer
>service experience. :-)

I've heard that. They have a pretty good repuation.

>He said the only way he knew that could happen is that it is wired
>backwards: line/load reversed.
>
>I've wired hundreds of switches and like I said, I'm anal, so I'd be
>surprised if that's the case.... but I'm going to check. I will laugh.

Could well be if the switch is a relay switch and not purely
mechanical one.

Good luck.


Greg G.