Hi all.
I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
is most important.
Thank you.
--Winston
(1) San Francisco Bay area 90% "Weather":
Bright sunshine with light drizzle possible.
40 F to 85 F; limited humidity.
[email protected] (Edward A. Falk) writes:
>Just an update. I've been doing some stain tests, and I have to say
>I really really like the look of Penofin. (I also very much liked the
>excellent service I got at Pinecone Lumber and the fact that there was
>a bin of free samples right there in the store.)
>
>But what I *really* liked was the look of clear polyurethane on top
>of the Penofin. This may seem like overkill to some people, but this
>project is going to eventually spend some time in the Black Rock desert.
>You'll never see a harsher environment than that, and playa dust is
>bugger-all difficult to remove.
Poly and sun don't generally mix well.
>
>Next up: finding an affordable source of redwood in the San Francisco
>area.
Try Jackel hardwoods in watsonville.
scott
On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:46:35 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>"Winston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 5/20/2010 5:59 PM, Max wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's how I did my gate but I had a helluva time finding a pan big
>>> enough.
>>> Makes a great drip pan though.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/24og5z3
>>
>> Pretty, Max!
>>
>> --Winston
>
>Thank You. I'm sure you didn't take me seriously when I mentioned a pan big
>enough for that gate. {:-)
He'd turn to the gents on Wreck.Metalheads for that one, of course.
It is quite doable, y'know.
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
Only 102 miles to the local store :-)
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/
On 5/22/2010 12:42 AM, Winston wrote:
> On 5/21/2010 7:20 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:36:44 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
>> wrote the following:
>>
>>> On 5/20/2010 3:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>>>> is most important.
>>>>
>>>> If you put Spar Varnish on this it will look fantastic and shiney for
>>>> about 11 months. Then it will start to peel. No problem, simply sand
>>>> of every bit of it at that time and then reapply. Repeat every 11
>>>> months... forever. Even on a front door that is only partially
>>>> exposed, the best you'll get is two years off any varnish. Aslk any
>>>> boat owner about the word "refit."
>>>
>>> OK, three votes for Penofin or an analog.
>>>
>>> I will begin looking for a local supplier.
>>
>> There are only forty one dealers within 50 miles of 95116.
>> http://www.penofin.com/location.shtml
>
> Yup! Turns out it's available across the street and down a ways
> from Pinecone Lumber.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --Winston
On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:46:59 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>How do you know it wasn't a Raven?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Raven
I'm sure it wasn't. It didn't bark at me as it flew by.
>"Nevermore will I go to Hatch; not even for the chiles."
Whose children?
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:51:47 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Aw, just Penofin that puppy.
>>
>> Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
>> works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
>> CONgress.)
>
>Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
>Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
Where you is? Que Paso, um, I mean El Paso, Texicus?
I almost went through LC but I found the shortcut between Deming and
Hatch. It was a wild ride that day. I was barreling along at about 80
in a rented Crown Vic when a crow dived to a few feet above the
highway and aimed himself directly at me behind the windshield. He
veered off just in time. Just after I'd slowed way down, a sheet of
rain hit the glass and I was blinded. Quickly looking out the window,
I slowed and stopped, still on the roadway. It was over in a minute or
three, but it was the heaviest burst of rain I'd ever seen or felt in
a vehicle. I stopped cursing crows after that. He probably saved my
life.
What I didn't do is repeat "Oh my God!" and "I've never seen anything
like that." a minimum of fifty times over the course of a 4 minute
vid. 'Course, I didn't see hail. ;)
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
humidity.
>
> There may be quicker and easier ways to treat your gate
> but anything worth doing is worth doing right, here's
> my method.
>
> If you didn't use stainless steel fastners, now is a good time
> to correct that oversight, some of the chemicals may be
> corrosive.
>
> First you will need to build a metal pan deep enough to
> submerge your gate with it laying flat and block it up
> aroundthe sides with some of your neighbors pavers
> (you can return them when through).
>
> Now is a good time to get beer, while you are at the store
> getting borax, get a case and a half and three boxes of
> borax.
>
> Fill the pan with water and start a fire under it.
> I recommend you use some old tires, foam rubber,
> plastic bottles and maybe some heart pine for fuel.
> feeding a fire is hot dirty work, the smoke will keep
> the flies, gnats and mosquitoes out of the neighborhood
> while you work, everyone will benefit.
>
> When the water comes to a boil dissolve all the borax
> that will go into solution, and lay the gate in pan
> and bring back to a boil. After the gate has boiled
> for 10 minutes put out the fire and let cool until the
> next morning. Do this three days in a row, don't laugh, at
> one time all wood was treated this way, it is highly
> effective even if it is a little slow and messy.
>
> On the second and third day walk your property line
> and look for neighbors pets that may have ingested the
> solution and that are sick or dead, collect them in garbage
> bags and place in freezer, you can use your freezer or one
> the neighbors if they have one on their back porch.
> Don't forget to move them before they are discovered.
> You may want to keep the cats for a push stick.
>
> After the third day you have to dispose of the borax
> solution, if there is a tree leaning over your
> property line that you don't really enjoy, that would be a
> good place to dump the solution. Always think ahead and try
> solve two problems at once.
>
> Let the gate dry for a couple of weeks. Fill your pan with
> paraffin and bring to frying heat and put gate back in pan,
> cook for 30 minutes. Put fire out and wait until the wax
> is down to 200 degrees, this will ensure that enough has
> penetrated the wood and it will be thin enough to
> drain completely and leave a nice finish.
>
> Disposing of the wax is more of a problem, it won't
> soak in the ground, so you will have to carry it at least
> two houses away from yours.
>
> Return the pavers, they will look fine even if they are a
> smoky and cracked up.
>
> Use the pan for a drip pan to park the car over.
> Rehang the gate, if you have done this correctly it will
> last at least 25 years, by then most of the neighbors
> will have forgotten about the missing pets, smoke and
> trees dying.
>
> basilsik
That's how I did my gate but I had a helluva time finding a pan big enough.
Makes a great drip pan though.
http://tinyurl.com/24og5z3
Max
"Winston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 5/20/2010 5:59 PM, Max wrote:
>
>>
>> That's how I did my gate but I had a helluva time finding a pan big
>> enough.
>> Makes a great drip pan though.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/24og5z3
>
> Pretty, Max!
>
> --Winston
Thank You. I'm sure you didn't take me seriously when I mentioned a pan big
enough for that gate. {:-)
Max
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> Aw, just Penofin that puppy.
>
> Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
> works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
> CONgress.)
Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
Max (mutter, mumble, gripe)
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:51:47 -0600, "Max" <[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Aw, just Penofin that puppy.
>>>
>>> Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
>>> works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
>>> CONgress.)
>>
>>Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
>>Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
>
> Where you is? Que Paso, um, I mean El Paso, Texicus?
>
> I almost went through LC but I found the shortcut between Deming and
> Hatch. It was a wild ride that day. I was barreling along at about 80
> in a rented Crown Vic when a crow dived to a few feet above the
> highway and aimed himself directly at me behind the windshield. He
> veered off just in time. Just after I'd slowed way down, a sheet of
> rain hit the glass and I was blinded. Quickly looking out the window,
> I slowed and stopped, still on the roadway. It was over in a minute or
> three, but it was the heaviest burst of rain I'd ever seen or felt in
> a vehicle. I stopped cursing crows after that. He probably saved my
> life.
>
> What I didn't do is repeat "Oh my God!" and "I've never seen anything
> like that." a minimum of fifty times over the course of a 4 minute
> vid. 'Course, I didn't see hail. ;)
The hail you say!
How do you know it wasn't a Raven?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Raven
"Nevermore will I go to Hatch; not even for the chiles."
Max
On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:51:47 -0600, Max wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Aw, just Penofin that puppy.
>>
>> Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
>> works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
>> CONgress.)
>
> Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
> Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
>
> Max (mutter, mumble, gripe)
>
>
>
>
When I lived there, a place called 'Cashway' had it. Look in some of the
'smaller' lumber yard type stores.
-BR
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote
> Max wrote
>> Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
>> Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
>>
>> Max (mutter, mumble, gripe)
>
> When I lived there, a place called 'Cashway' had it. Look in some of the
> 'smaller' lumber yard type stores.
>
> -BR
>
Cashway is history, long since. They couldn't compete with the Borgs.
I've phoned all the "small" lumber/hardware stores in the "book"; no luck.
El Paso is notorious for not having anything that's not in high demand.
But there's a Ruby Tuesday's in Las Cruces and SWMBO likes to eat there so
off we go. {:-)
Max
"Edward A. Falk" wrote:
> Any guesses as to how these Ranch Willow
> wagons were finished?
--------------------------------------
Will they tell you?
Trying to get a color is strictly a "Cut & Fit" proposition.
Cetol by Flood is sometimes used on boats to protect the teak bright
work on a boat.
Has somewhat of an orange cast that might fit your need.
Will have to experiment.
If you don't have a stocking lumber yard, check a West Marine.
Lew
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> Just an update. I've been doing some stain tests, and I have to say
> I really really like the look of Penofin. (I also very much liked
> the
> excellent service I got at Pinecone Lumber and the fact that there
> was
> a bin of free samples right there in the store.)
>
> But what I *really* liked was the look of clear polyurethane on top
> of the Penofin. This may seem like overkill to some people, but
> this
> project is going to eventually spend some time in the Black Rock
> desert.
> You'll never see a harsher environment than that, and playa dust is
> bugger-all difficult to remove.
----------------------------------------
Probably the harshest environment will be found on a boat sailing in
salt air.
Life expectancy of poly or marine varnish is about 18 months. less as
you approach the equator.
If you are truly interested in sealing redwood, then the following has
a chance.
Apply at least 3-4 coats of laminating epoxy to obtain 100% coverage
of ALL surfaces.
(You are basically encapsulate the wood)
Sand with 150 between coats.
Allow epoxy to cure for about 2-3 weeks, then apply 3-4 coats of poly
with UV inhibitors, sanding between coats.
The name of the game is the poly protects the epoxy, the epoxy
protects the wood.
It's a lot of work and money for something that will be a PITA to
maintain.
Personally, I'd go au-natural.
Lew
On Thu, 20 May 2010 23:10:27 -0700, Winston <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>On 5/20/2010 4:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> Chris Friesen wrote:
>>>
>>> Spar varnish.
>>
>> NOT.
>>
>> Varnish, especially spar, or even poly or LP, just won't cut it on
>> redwood.
>>
>> Need a penetrating oil, applied every 6-9 months, depending on
>> exposure.
>>
>> BTW, cheap and fast are mutually exclusive in this application.
>
>I suspected as much.
>
>Larry's Penofin sounds like a better contender.
Sikkens Cetol is a wonderful two part clearcoat which needs to be
refinished every few years. That--or any other film finish--is great
if you're in an entirely masochistic mood.
Go with the Red. I've heard good things about Cabot's Australian
Timber Oil from the local paint companies and others. Wood likes both
of 'em.
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
=A0This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
> is most important.
If you put Spar Varnish on this it will look fantastic and shiney for
about 11 months. Then it will start to peel. No problem, simply sand
of every bit of it at that time and then reapply. Repeat every 11
months... forever. Even on a front door that is only partially
exposed, the best you'll get is two years off any varnish. Aslk any
boat owner about the word "refit."
I would suggest a penetrating oil finish, specifically Penofin if you
can find it. Get a few quart cans or find a good store that has
samples of redwood with the finish applied. Even the clear will change
the color and they also have stain colors but I am telling you redwood
is beautiful when oiled. yes, you need to reapply, probably once a
year but just slosh on another coat.
On Sun, 23 May 2010 09:09:38 -0400, Phisherman <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>I have two (shop-built using Norm's plan) redwood adirondack chairs
>and a small knee-high redwood table and these are kept outdoors on the
>deck. In winter, I bring them in, tighten any loose bolts, sand, and
>coat with Flood's product (it is called CW? or some three letters I
CWF, or Clear Wood Finish. OK stuff.
>can not recall). This darkens the wood and protects it for up to two
>years. Not as durable as paint, but it never peels and very easy to
>apply. The label says it dries in 48 hours--I say give it a week of
>drying for the stickiness to go away. Sanding removes the gray color
>and the finish almost makes the redwood look new again. The furniture
>is about 15 years old, still sturdy and looking very good.
I hate gray wood. Keep up the good work, Phishy.
--
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when
they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:53:32 -0700, Winston <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>Hi all.
>
>I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>is most important.
Aw, just Penofin that puppy. It's semi-transparent and slows greying
considerably. I haven't used it but have seen it on several projects
to good effect. They like the Red Label the best. Nobody I know has
tried the Verde (Spanish for "green") eco-safe no-voc version.
"Clear" is the least offensive color, IMnsHO. ;)
Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
CONgress.)
--
The great thing about getting older is that
you don't lose all the other ages you've been.
-- Madeleine L'Engle
Hum - market possibly :-) Thanks for the pointer.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/
On 5/23/2010 8:49 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:25:31 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>> Only 102 miles to the local store :-)
>
>>>> http://www.penofin.com/location.shtml
>
> Here ya go, Martin: http://fwd4.me/Pcv $12 s/h is cheaper than a long
> drive using 10 gallons of gas, eh? Use UPS diesel instead!
>
> --
> Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when
> they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> First you will need to build a metal pan deep enough to
> submerge your gate with it laying flat and block it up
> aroundthe sides with some of your neighbors pavers
> (you can return them when through).
Is there a reason one wouldn't treat the wood first and then assemble
the gate?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "phorbin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >
> >> First you will need to build a metal pan deep enough to
> >> submerge your gate with it laying flat and block it up
> >> aroundthe sides with some of your neighbors pavers
> >> (you can return them when through).
> >
> > Is there a reason one wouldn't treat the wood first and then assemble
> > the gate?
>
> The pan wouldn't be big enough for a drip pan under the car when
> you were through. :)
thought so :-)
yep - when I lived in a Coastal Redwood forest it was touch or do it all
every fall. Just before cool days set in. Winter rains would pound it.
I measured (using my pro 10" to the .01" gauge ) 90 to 100 inches.
One year it was so bad that the ground jellied. It was about 6" deep.
My deck 24 feet in the air - was about 1800 square feet took two and half
landings to get all the way down. We lived in the house for 18 years
and it passed inspection when we sold it.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/
On 5/20/2010 6:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Chris Friesen wrote:
>>
>> Spar varnish.
>
> NOT.
>
> Varnish, especially spar, or even poly or LP, just won't cut it on
> redwood.
>
> Need a penetrating oil, applied every 6-9 months, depending on
> exposure.
>
> BTW, cheap and fast are mutually exclusive in this application.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Big Tree or San Lorenzo lumber in the Santa Cruz area.
Former resident.
Don't forget to protect on all sides. Any cut end and old cut ends.
Otherwise - the wood will absorb underneath and the bottom will expand
or rot out. It is all or nothing. Equal absorption.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/
On 6/16/2010 3:36 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> Just an update. I've been doing some stain tests, and I have to say
> I really really like the look of Penofin. (I also very much liked the
> excellent service I got at Pinecone Lumber and the fact that there was
> a bin of free samples right there in the store.)
>
> But what I *really* liked was the look of clear polyurethane on top
> of the Penofin. This may seem like overkill to some people, but this
> project is going to eventually spend some time in the Black Rock desert.
> You'll never see a harsher environment than that, and playa dust is
> bugger-all difficult to remove.
>
> Next up: finding an affordable source of redwood in the San Francisco
> area.
>
On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:53:32 -0700, Winston wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned about a month
> ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the redwood grain appearance so I
> would like your advice on a fast inexpensive, great looking coating to
> preserve the look of the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7
> so durability is most important.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --Winston
>
>
>
> (1) San Francisco Bay area 90% "Weather":
> Bright sunshine with light drizzle possible. 40 F to 85 F; limited
> humidity.
There may be quicker and easier ways to treat your gate
but anything worth doing is worth doing right, here's
my method.
If you didn't use stainless steel fastners, now is a good time
to correct that oversight, some of the chemicals may be
corrosive.
First you will need to build a metal pan deep enough to
submerge your gate with it laying flat and block it up
aroundthe sides with some of your neighbors pavers
(you can return them when through).
Now is a good time to get beer, while you are at the store
getting borax, get a case and a half and three boxes of
borax.
Fill the pan with water and start a fire under it.
I recommend you use some old tires, foam rubber,
plastic bottles and maybe some heart pine for fuel.
feeding a fire is hot dirty work, the smoke will keep
the flies, gnats and mosquitoes out of the neighborhood
while you work, everyone will benefit.
When the water comes to a boil dissolve all the borax
that will go into solution, and lay the gate in pan
and bring back to a boil. After the gate has boiled
for 10 minutes put out the fire and let cool until the
next morning. Do this three days in a row, don't laugh, at
one time all wood was treated this way, it is highly
effective even if it is a little slow and messy.
On the second and third day walk your property line
and look for neighbors pets that may have ingested the
solution and that are sick or dead, collect them in garbage
bags and place in freezer, you can use your freezer or one
the neighbors if they have one on their back porch.
Don't forget to move them before they are discovered.
You may want to keep the cats for a push stick.
After the third day you have to dispose of the borax
solution, if there is a tree leaning over your
property line that you don't really enjoy, that would be a
good place to dump the solution. Always think ahead and try
solve two problems at once.
Let the gate dry for a couple of weeks. Fill your pan with
paraffin and bring to frying heat and put gate back in pan,
cook for 30 minutes. Put fire out and wait until the wax
is down to 200 degrees, this will ensure that enough has
penetrated the wood and it will be thin enough to
drain completely and leave a nice finish.
Disposing of the wax is more of a problem, it won't
soak in the ground, so you will have to carry it at least
two houses away from yours.
Return the pavers, they will look fine even if they are a
smoky and cracked up.
Use the pan for a drip pan to park the car over.
Rehang the gate, if you have done this correctly it will
last at least 25 years, by then most of the neighbors
will have forgotten about the missing pets, smoke and
trees dying.
basilsik
A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse
On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:25:31 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>Only 102 miles to the local store :-)
>>> http://www.penofin.com/location.shtml
Here ya go, Martin: http://fwd4.me/Pcv $12 s/h is cheaper than a long
drive using 10 gallons of gas, eh? Use UPS diesel instead!
--
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when
they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
On 5/20/2010 1:57 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>> is most important.
>
> Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
Very good. Thanks, Chris.
--Winston
Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>> is most important.
>
> Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
>
> Chris
won't te yellow tint turn it brown?
i'd try on some scrap first.
On 5/20/2010 5:23 PM, Winston wrote:
> On 5/20/2010 1:57 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:
>> On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>> is most important.
>>
>> Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
>
>
> Very good. Thanks, Chris.
Personally I'd go for a penetrating stain purpose made for redwood decks
and fences.
Whatever you use, if it's a clear finish you're going to have to
maintain it regularly--that means inspect annually and usually recoat
every couple of years, in some cases after stripping the finish. Clear
finishes just don't hold up well in exterior applications.
Read all the instructions carefully, and understand that the people who
make the stuff are _serious_--you can't cut corners or the stuff is
going to look like Hell and come off in patches in a short time--also
don't try to follow some generic procedure--different materials have
different applications requirements. If it says "pressure wash and coat
in two hours" then pressure wash and coat in two hours. If it says
"sand and wait three months" then sand and wait three months.
On 5/20/2010 3:36 PM, chaniarts wrote:
> Chris Friesen wrote:
>> On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>> is most important.
>>
>> Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
>>
>> Chris
> won't te yellow tint turn it brown?
>
> i'd try on some scrap first.
Copy that. Thanks!
--Winston
On 5/20/2010 4:04 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:53:32 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>> is most important.
>
> Aw, just Penofin that puppy. It's semi-transparent and slows greying
> considerably. I haven't used it but have seen it on several projects
> to good effect. They like the Red Label the best. Nobody I know has
> tried the Verde (Spanish for "green") eco-safe no-voc version.
> "Clear" is the least offensive color, IMnsHO. ;)
http://www.penofin.com/
Sounds like serious stuff.
Thanks, Larry.
--Winston
On 5/20/2010 4:06 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 5/20/2010 5:23 PM, Winston wrote:
>> On 5/20/2010 1:57 PM, Chris Friesen wrote:
>>> On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>>>> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
>>>> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
>>>> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
>>>> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>>> is most important.
>>>
>>> Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
>>
>>
>> Very good. Thanks, Chris.
>
> Personally I'd go for a penetrating stain purpose made for redwood decks
> and fences.
>
> Whatever you use, if it's a clear finish you're going to have to
> maintain it regularly--that means inspect annually and usually recoat
> every couple of years, in some cases after stripping the finish. Clear
> finishes just don't hold up well in exterior applications.
>
> Read all the instructions carefully, and understand that the people who
> make the stuff are _serious_--you can't cut corners or the stuff is
> going to look like Hell and come off in patches in a short time--also
> don't try to follow some generic procedure--different materials have
> different applications requirements. If it says "pressure wash and coat
> in two hours" then pressure wash and coat in two hours. If it says "sand
> and wait three months" then sand and wait three months.
OK.
Thanks!
--Winston
On 5/20/2010 4:16 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:04:09 -0700, Larry Jaques
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:53:32 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
>> wrote the following:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>>
>>> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>
>> "Clear" is the least offensive color, IMnsHO. ;)
>
> Oops, I jsut saw a comment that the clear allows the wood to go gray.
> Uckfay atthay itshay.
Esyay. Anksthay.
--Instonway
On 5/20/2010 4:23 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Chris Friesen wrote:
>>
>> Spar varnish.
>
> NOT.
>
> Varnish, especially spar, or even poly or LP, just won't cut it on
> redwood.
>
> Need a penetrating oil, applied every 6-9 months, depending on
> exposure.
>
> BTW, cheap and fast are mutually exclusive in this application.
I suspected as much.
Larry's Penofin sounds like a better contender.
--Winston
On 5/20/2010 3:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>> is most important.
>
> If you put Spar Varnish on this it will look fantastic and shiney for
> about 11 months. Then it will start to peel. No problem, simply sand
> of every bit of it at that time and then reapply. Repeat every 11
> months... forever. Even on a front door that is only partially
> exposed, the best you'll get is two years off any varnish. Aslk any
> boat owner about the word "refit."
OK, three votes for Penofin or an analog.
I will begin looking for a local supplier.
Thanks!
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 8:24 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2010 23:10:27 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
(...)
>> Larry's Penofin sounds like a better contender.
>
> Sikkens Cetol is a wonderful two part clearcoat which needs to be
> refinished every few years. That--or any other film finish--is great
> if you're in an entirely masochistic mood.
>
> Go with the Red. I've heard good things about Cabot's Australian
> Timber Oil
Thanks for the brand name citations, Larry!
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 7:46 AM, Max wrote:
> "Winston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 5/20/2010 5:59 PM, Max wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's how I did my gate but I had a helluva time finding a pan big
>>> enough.
>>> Makes a great drip pan though.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/24og5z3
>>
>> Pretty, Max!
>>
>> --Winston
>
> Thank You. I'm sure you didn't take me seriously when I mentioned a pan
> big enough for that gate. {:-)
I took it as seriously as the rest of your funny article.
Funnier still is that for organizations of a certain size, the
huge pan would probably be the best approach.
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 9:37 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:46:35 -0600, "Max"<[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>> "Winston"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
(...)
>>> Pretty, Max!
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> Thank You. I'm sure you didn't take me seriously when I mentioned a pan big
>> enough for that gate. {:-)
>
> He'd turn to the gents on Wreck.Metalheads for that one, of course.
> It is quite doable, y'know.
Yup. But as you say there are quicker more expensive ways to tackle
the problem!
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 7:51 AM, Max wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Aw, just Penofin that puppy.
>> Ferret out your best local price. It's spendy, but everything which
>> works is nowadays. (As are many things which don't, like our
>> CONgress.)
>
> Here I am in a city of 700,000 and there's no place to find Penofin.
> Las Cruces, NM is the closest...........45 miles.
> Max (mutter, mumble, gripe)
I have a high end wood monger proximal so I'll check
with him.
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 1:38 PM, Winston wrote:
> On 5/21/2010 8:24 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 May 2010 23:10:27 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
>> wrote the following:
>
> (...)
>
>>> Larry's Penofin sounds like a better contender.
>>
>> Sikkens Cetol is a wonderful two part clearcoat which needs to be
>> refinished every few years. That--or any other film finish--is great
>> if you're in an entirely masochistic mood.
>>
>> Go with the Red. I've heard good things about Cabot's Australian
>> Timber Oil
>
> Thanks for the brand name citations, Larry!
Just be aware that Australian Timber Oil is intended for hardwoods, not
softwoods, and on most softwoods even the lightest shades can get
unexpectedly and surprisingly dark. Doesn't mean you shouldn't use it
but try it on a sample before you commit.
On 5/21/2010 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
(...)
> Just be aware that Australian Timber Oil is intended for hardwoods, not
> softwoods, and on most softwoods even the lightest shades can get
> unexpectedly and surprisingly dark. Doesn't mean you shouldn't use it
> but try it on a sample before you commit.
Ah! Thanks!
--Winston
On 5/21/2010 7:20 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:36:44 -0700, Winston<[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>> On 5/20/2010 3:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>>> is most important.
>>>
>>> If you put Spar Varnish on this it will look fantastic and shiney for
>>> about 11 months. Then it will start to peel. No problem, simply sand
>>> of every bit of it at that time and then reapply. Repeat every 11
>>> months... forever. Even on a front door that is only partially
>>> exposed, the best you'll get is two years off any varnish. Aslk any
>>> boat owner about the word "refit."
>>
>> OK, three votes for Penofin or an analog.
>>
>> I will begin looking for a local supplier.
>
> There are only forty one dealers within 50 miles of 95116.
> http://www.penofin.com/location.shtml
Yup! Turns out it's available across the street and down a ways
from Pinecone Lumber.
Thanks again!
--Winston
On 5/23/2010 6:09 AM, Phisherman wrote:
> I have two (shop-built using Norm's plan) redwood adirondack chairs
> and a small knee-high redwood table and these are kept outdoors on the
> deck. In winter, I bring them in, tighten any loose bolts, sand, and
> coat with Flood's product (it is called CW? or some three letters I
> can not recall). This darkens the wood and protects it for up to two
> years. Not as durable as paint, but it never peels and very easy to
> apply. The label says it dries in 48 hours--I say give it a week of
> drying for the stickiness to go away. Sanding removes the gray color
> and the finish almost makes the redwood look new again. The furniture
> is about 15 years old, still sturdy and looking very good.
Cool! Thanks!
--Winston
In article <[email protected]>,
Winston <[email protected]> wrote:
>Yup! Turns out it's available across the street and down a ways
> from Pinecone Lumber.
Do they actually carry it, or will they just order it for you?
Looks like good stuff, judging by their web page.
I was looking into Behr exterior stain, but it doesn't look very good
to me.
By the way, this is the look I'm going for in my own project:
http://www.ranchwillowwagons.com/gypsywagons-exteriorphotos.html
I've been playing around with staining pine, but I don't like the
grain and I don't like the colors. What would folks here do for
a project like this? Any guesses as to how these Ranch Willow
wagons were finished?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Just an update. I've been doing some stain tests, and I have to say
I really really like the look of Penofin. (I also very much liked the
excellent service I got at Pinecone Lumber and the fact that there was
a bin of free samples right there in the store.)
But what I *really* liked was the look of clear polyurethane on top
of the Penofin. This may seem like overkill to some people, but this
project is going to eventually spend some time in the Black Rock desert.
You'll never see a harsher environment than that, and playa dust is
bugger-all difficult to remove.
Next up: finding an affordable source of redwood in the San Francisco
area.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Poly and sun don't generally mix well.
Oooh. Thanks for the warning.
>>Next up: finding an affordable source of redwood in the San Francisco
>>area.
>
>Try Jackel hardwoods in watsonville.
I'll check them out, thanks.
Also getting a quote on reclaimed redwood from Bear Creek Lumber. Not
sure if the reclaimed stuff will be grey with age or not.
I don't know if running grey lumber through a thickness planer will
get you back down to red-colored wood or not. More experiments
needed....
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Martin H. Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>Big Tree or San Lorenzo lumber in the Santa Cruz area.
>Former resident.
>
>Don't forget to protect on all sides. Any cut end and old cut ends.
>
>Otherwise - the wood will absorb underneath and the bottom will expand
>or rot out. It is all or nothing. Equal absorption.
Thanks for the warning. I'm planning on finishing the boards before
assembling them into the project. I'll make it a point to get the
edges and ends too.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Try Jackel hardwoods in watsonville.
>
>I'll check them out, thanks.
And to follow up, they were having a sale on redwood for $1/bf. I
cleaned them out. Just finished ripping it yesterday.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
"phorbin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>> First you will need to build a metal pan deep enough to
>> submerge your gate with it laying flat and block it up
>> aroundthe sides with some of your neighbors pavers
>> (you can return them when through).
>
> Is there a reason one wouldn't treat the wood first and then assemble
> the gate?
The pan wouldn't be big enough for a drip pan under the car when
you were through. :)
basilisk
I have two (shop-built using Norm's plan) redwood adirondack chairs
and a small knee-high redwood table and these are kept outdoors on the
deck. In winter, I bring them in, tighten any loose bolts, sand, and
coat with Flood's product (it is called CW? or some three letters I
can not recall). This darkens the wood and protects it for up to two
years. Not as durable as paint, but it never peels and very easy to
apply. The label says it dries in 48 hours--I say give it a week of
drying for the stickiness to go away. Sanding removes the gray color
and the finish almost makes the redwood look new again. The furniture
is about 15 years old, still sturdy and looking very good.
On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:04:09 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:53:32 -0700, Winston <[email protected]>
>wrote the following:
>
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
>"Clear" is the least offensive color, IMnsHO. ;)
Oops, I jsut saw a comment that the clear allows the wood to go gray.
Uckfay atthay itshay.
--
The great thing about getting older is that
you don't lose all the other ages you've been.
-- Madeleine L'Engle
On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:36:44 -0700, Winston <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>On 5/20/2010 3:45 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
>>> is most important.
>>
>> If you put Spar Varnish on this it will look fantastic and shiney for
>> about 11 months. Then it will start to peel. No problem, simply sand
>> of every bit of it at that time and then reapply. Repeat every 11
>> months... forever. Even on a front door that is only partially
>> exposed, the best you'll get is two years off any varnish. Aslk any
>> boat owner about the word "refit."
>
>OK, three votes for Penofin or an analog.
>
>I will begin looking for a local supplier.
There are only forty one dealers within 50 miles of 95116.
http://www.penofin.com/location.shtml
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
On Fri, 21 May 2010 00:19:02 GMT, basilisk <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
--snip--
>On the second and third day walk your property line
>and look for neighbors pets that may have ingested the
>solution and that are sick or dead, collect them in garbage
>bags and place in freezer, you can use your freezer or one
>the neighbors if they have one on their back porch.
>Don't forget to move them before they are discovered.
>You may want to keep the cats for a push stick.
>
>After the third day you have to dispose of the borax
>solution, if there is a tree leaning over your
>property line that you don't really enjoy, that would be a
>good place to dump the solution. Always think ahead and try
>solve two problems at once.
>
>Disposing of the wax is more of a problem, it won't
>soak in the ground, so you will have to carry it at least
>two houses away from yours.
>
>Return the pavers, they will look fine even if they are a
>smoky and cracked up.
>
>Use the pan for a drip pan to park the car over.
>Rehang the gate, if you have done this correctly it will
>last at least 25 years, by then most of the neighbors
>will have forgotten about the missing pets, smoke and
>trees dying.
Yuppers, that's a good one for the Anti-FAQ, boys and girls.
I'll be passing it along to the usual suspects, too. ;)
--
Perfect as the wing of a bird may be, it will never enable the bird to
fly if unsupported by the air. Facts are the air of science. Without
them a man of science can never rise. -- Ivan Pavlov
And that, my friends, is what's doggin' global warming extremists. -LJ
On 05/20/2010 01:53 PM, Winston wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I just finished installing the fence gate that I mentioned
> about a month ago. SWMBO informed me that she likes the
> redwood grain appearance so I would like your advice on a fast
> inexpensive, great looking coating to preserve the look of
> the wood. This is out in the "weather" (1) 24 x 7 so durability
> is most important.
Spar varnish. Thin the first coat or two so it "sinks in" better.
Chris