sawzdust wrote:
> A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
> in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>
>
You know, the only thing missing from your vile, offensive and ignorant
little rant here and the other comments below is that you have forgotten to
blame Bush. I will admit I did not read all of your spew, so you may have
blamed him in one or two I didn't see, but a good little moonbat would have
found a way to blame Bush in every posting. You have failed. Now, the next
time you are in the Church of Gaia, you are going to have to say 10 Hail
Algores and pay for some carbon credits to atone for that oversight.
>
>
>
>
> "Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:c7f2k.196871$yE1.120590@attbi_s21...
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> > Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>> >
>>
>> Many young men died that day in support of a good cause.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:25:22 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Used to fly out of Solberg!
N51? Cool!
Do you know Jerry? He participates here on occasion and lives near
that field. Jerry bought a DJ-20 from one of my local wood dealers.
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:22:15 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands
I prefer unscented baby wipes.
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sawzdust wrote:
> Texas, nothing but steers and your type eh speedo?
>
Yep, didn't think you had any clue nor any sense of history. Not that I
expect that from someone who spends their life living in their Mom's
basement trolling Usenet newsgroups in the dark light of a glowing CRT.
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> sawzdust wrote:
>>
>> > Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
>> > prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
>> > North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and
>> > it would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day
>> > late
> and
>> > a dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
>> > I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books
> and
>> > clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
>> > speedy!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> OK Sparky, how about you enlighten us rubes about how much oil the US
> was
>> importing prior to WWII. [Hint, do you know where Texas is? Do you know
>> what is in Texas?]
>>
>> >
>> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >> sawzdust wrote:
>> >> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause
>> >> > in
>> > North
>> >> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
>> >> > in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could
>> >> > grab as
>> > much
>> >> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
>> >> much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
>> >>
>> >> You really should read more... :(
>> >>
>> >> --
>>
>> --
>> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late and a
dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books and
clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
speedy!
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North
> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
> > Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as
much
> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> ...
>
> I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
> much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
>
> You really should read more... :(
>
> --
I don't recall Korea threatening American Freedom do you?
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tanus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > sweet sawdust wrote:
> >> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
> >>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that
> >>> day,
> >>> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
> >>> once
> >>> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> >> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in,
> >> not for glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but
> >> we still fought for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for
> >> that idea from 1776 to 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
> >> Your comments are proof that our efforts were worth while, YOU are
> >> free to comment any way you like and that is part of why We fought
> >> and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave you that right and honor
> >> them, We honered you.
> >
> > Nicely put. Thanks.
> >
> > Tanus
>
> Thank You,
>
> Max (1st Cav, Korea, '50 - '51)
>
See the only thing you and your asshole buddies Mark & Juan can do is pull
your tiny little dicks as hard as you can!
and still you all can't accomplish anything!
What's even funnier how a dweeb such as myself was able to confuse and
confound a simple minded scrotum sucker such as yourself into a tizzy, with
No Real Effort on my Part!
Butter your toast with that fagboy!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
The simple minded ones are the EASYYYYYIST!
"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:H0A2k.198298$yE1.101755@attbi_s21...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > How ignorant R U?
> >
> > Hitler had already Murdered over 20 Million Innocent Civilians, He had
> > already Vanquished Europe! All the time we did nothing! D-Day
accomplished
> > What? Nothing!
> >
> > Russia captured Berlin.... The United States sat on it's hands to the
last
> > minute, then ran in to save the foundation and claim "we" won the War!
> >
> > You can run your suck all you want... and like yourself you get nowhere!
>
> Wow... Just a frustrated, foul dweeb ranting on Usenet because no one in
> the physical world will acknowledge your existence, or could stand to be
> around you.
> See of your mom will make you a PB&J and a glass of warm milk to calm
> you down. Take your Ritalin.
>
> Plonk.
How ignorant R U?
Hitler had already Murdered over 20 Million Innocent Civilians, He had
already Vanquished Europe! All the time we did nothing! D-Day accomplished
What? Nothing!
Russia captured Berlin.... The United States sat on it's hands to the last
minute, then ran in to save the foundation and claim "we" won the War!
You can run your suck all you want... and like yourself you get nowhere!
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> > North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
> > in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> > as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> >
> >
>
> You know, the only thing missing from your vile, offensive and ignorant
> little rant here and the other comments below is that you have forgotten
to
> blame Bush. I will admit I did not read all of your spew, so you may have
> blamed him in one or two I didn't see, but a good little moonbat would
have
> found a way to blame Bush in every posting. You have failed. Now, the
next
> time you are in the Church of Gaia, you are going to have to say 10 Hail
> Algores and pay for some carbon credits to atone for that oversight.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:c7f2k.196871$yE1.120590@attbi_s21...
> >> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> >> > Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Many young men died that day in support of a good cause.
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Constipated? Sorry the only one full of shit here is you!
"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:P8l2k.197289$yE1.81193@attbi_s21...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?
> >
> > It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
> > sad!
> >
>
> Perhaps you're just constipated. Try that oatmeal with a little extra
> bran and a big glass of water.
Lou
its "lest"
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
"sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote
>I don't recall Korea threatening American Freedom do you?
Haven't been around long, have you.
There was considerable opinion at the time that Stalin wanted to spread
his version of communism around the world.
(What's your familiarity with Hungary's history?)
Have you made any comparisons bwtween North Korea and South Korea
lately?
There are history books that will help enlighten you.
Max
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
64 years?
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
monkees raised in captivity also believe their free....Clueless!
Pat yourself on the back!
"Tanus" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sweet sawdust wrote:
> > "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
> >> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
> >> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
once
> >> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> > We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not
for
> > glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still
fought
> > for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776
to
> > 2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof
that
> > our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like
and
> > that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who
gave
> > you that right and honor them, We honered you.
>
> Nicely put. Thanks.
>
> Tanus
>
sawzdust wrote:
> How ignorant R U?
>
> Hitler had already Murdered over 20 Million Innocent Civilians, He had
> already Vanquished Europe! All the time we did nothing! D-Day accomplished
> What? Nothing!
>
> Russia captured Berlin.... The United States sat on it's hands to the last
> minute, then ran in to save the foundation and claim "we" won the War!
>
> You can run your suck all you want... and like yourself you get nowhere!
Wow... Just a frustrated, foul dweeb ranting on Usenet because no one in
the physical world will acknowledge your existence, or could stand to be
around you.
See of your mom will make you a PB&J and a glass of warm milk to calm
you down. Take your Ritalin.
Plonk.
yeah BARRY you're the sharp one eh?
See what's even funnier is that you thought you'd be really reall clever and
post like you have....and really in all honesty since you add nothing it's
apparent your just jerking yourself off at how clever you think you
are.....and all you get is sticky fingers and a crusty T shirt your mom is
forced to wash! Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:16:38 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >How funny are you?
>
> He's not as funny as you.
>
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Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight and
knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians! One might
read Clinton for getting head, and LBJ for Vietnam........but still they
offered nothing of value! Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military career
was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to fame is
he made great speeches! You read him!
See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~
Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy. Afrika's
point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the people
of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.
D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land! Anyone
who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!
The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the time
Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the war,
we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won! D-Day
was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
died that day.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
> ...> ... I'd skip Churchill.
>
> Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
> of the prosecution of the war.
>
> What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
> strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
> front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
> Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
> wager.
>
> --
I guess you lost your point eh speedy! If I was examining US History and
D-Day and the our involvement in WWII... I'd skip Churchill.
but feel free to hammer a nail with a screwdriver, eventually it just might
work for ya!
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
> > prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
> > North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
> > would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late
and a
> > dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
> > I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books
and
> > clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
> > speedy!
>
> Try Churchill and other contemporaries.
>
> --
>
In article <ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04>, "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote:
>We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
>forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
>again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
The only land we "grabbed" in Europe is cemetery plots in France.
Dumbass.
<plonk>
Sorry kid but politicians don't establish tactics.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight
and
> > knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!
>
> Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
> need to know what they were thinking as well...
>
> ...
> > ... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
> > failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military
career
> > was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to
fame is
> > he made great speeches! You read him!
>
> Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
> not as active military.
>
> > See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~
>
> I suspect I'm at least as old as you...
>
> > Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy.
Afrika's
> > point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the
people
> > of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
> > thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.
>
> No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
> Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
> for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
> the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
> N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
> place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.
>
> > D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land!
Anyone
> > who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!
>
> It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
> the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
> have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
> deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
> positions.
>
> Finis.
>
> --
>
>
> > The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the
time
> > Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the
war,
> > we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won!
D-Day
> > was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
> > died that day.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >> ...> ... I'd skip Churchill.
> >>
> >> Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
> >> of the prosecution of the war.
> >>
> >> What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
> >> strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
> >> front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
> >> Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I
would
> >> wager.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> >
sawzdust wrote:
> Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
> prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
> North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
> would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late and
> a dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
> I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books and
> clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
> speedy!
>
>
OK Sparky, how about you enlighten us rubes about how much oil the US was
importing prior to WWII. [Hint, do you know where Texas is? Do you know
what is in Texas?]
>
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> sawzdust wrote:
>> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> North
>> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in
>> > N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
>> > as
> much
>> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>> ...
>>
>> I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
>> much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
>>
>> You really should read more... :(
>>
>> --
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
sawzdust wrote:
> Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?
>
> It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
> sad!
>
> "Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ayk2k.197248$yE1.164612@attbi_s21...
>> sawzdust wrote:
>> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> North
>> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in
>> > N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
>> > as
> much
>> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>>
>> So who pissed in your oatmeal this morning?
>>
>> So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!
OK, you've proven that you are nothing but a moron.
Nothing to see here, folks, move on.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Well David I've been to the top 3..... Have you? FYI: Actually America rates
27th.
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello there,
>
> > How funny are you? You don't travel much but Freedom in America has
> > disappeared!
>
> The population of earth is about 6,000,000,000, NA is about 300,000,000.
>
> I would say the US is more free than about 80% of the planet.
>
> Unless you think China, India, Africa, SA or Russia is more free.
>
> David.
>
>
"sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
you that right and honor them, We honered you.
>
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
>> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
>
To absent friends
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
Well yes and no, if you recall Germany had Romania and the Ploesti Oil
fields. One does need oil, but the US involvement was to PROTECT it's OIL
Interests not to stop Hitler. Most of Germans in N. Afrika were there to
support and in treaty with the Italians to fight the British. Not all that
for the oil, which is one of the Reasons Hitler went to war with Russia,
when he went after Stalingrad he also drove south for their oil fields....
"evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:zZf2k.520$3j2.338@trnddc03...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> > North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
> > in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> > as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> >
> I believe you need oil to prosecute a war, but I could be wrong. You
think
> that's why the Nazi's were in N. Africa? Or was it they needed the sand?
>
>
> --
> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
> Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
and Senator McCarthy was the greatest anti-commie fear monger of his
time.....
You know what's reall funny, all the NIKE bases on the East Coast... Could
only track 1 (one) missle at a time. So if Russia ever decided to attack
BOOM!
You know though maybe if the US wasn't placing missles all over the world we
might not be so scared and fearfull as we are!
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:21:53 -0500, sweet sawdust wrote:
> >
> >>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that
> >>> day, forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans
> >>> Interests once again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> >
> >> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived
> >> in,
> >> not for glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but
> >> we still fought for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for
> >> that idea from 1776 to 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
> >
> > Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the
> > military.
> > And he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect profits,
> > not freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American companies
> > (like IBM) were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make
> > exorbitant profits at home.
>
> If the Soviet Union had launched a nuclear attack on the US, people
> like you would find a way to blame American industry.
>
> You're as crazy as McCarthy.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
WOW a pilot I'm really impressed.....BWAHAHAHAAA Gee just pat yourself on
the back again and again. I hate to tell you the last thing I did on my GI
Bill was flight school. Used to fly out of Solberg! Just not the same
without the Towers! I don't fly anymore just not that much fun........but
have fun kiddo~
I really don't want to meet you, I possibly think less of you then you do of
yourself. You really have some issues to boast and brag as you do what do
they consider that lack of self esteem?
What next you're a war hero and Vietnam Vet too!
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:35:20 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I guess you did learn something!
>
> Tomorrow, I'll be exercising my lack of freedom by flying the Hudson
> River corridor, from the I-84 bridge, down the NJ side, past Alpine
> Towers, around "The Lady", and back up the Manhattan side of the
> river. I'll do all ~ 900 feet above the ground, with a few passengers
> to enjoy the view.
>
> My trip around the Lady will be between 3 and 3:30 PM.
>
> Don't forget to wave. <G>
>
> If you wave hard enough, I'll rock the wings over the giant clock near
> Ellis Island!
>
> We can meet you @ Teterboro or Westchester for lunch, too.
>
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> ---------------------------------------------
How stupid are you American & British were so heavily involved in pumping
oil out of the Middle East.
The only clueless asslicker here.
You know Mark if you took Juans dick outa your hand you might type something
of sense!
In 1932 Standard Oil was pumping oil out of Bahrain in 33 Gulf Oil and in 39
Saudi's opened Dhahran Oil Port. Texas was producing most of the oil, But US
Oil company's could get it cheaper from the Middle East!
You know Mark if you took Juans dick outa your hand you might type something
of sense!
PS We still didn't win the War there numbnutz!
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> > Texas, nothing but steers and your type eh speedo?
> >
>
> Yep, didn't think you had any clue nor any sense of history. Not that I
> expect that from someone who spends their life living in their Mom's
> basement trolling Usenet newsgroups in the dark light of a glowing CRT.
>
> >
> > "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the
Years
> >> > prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil
in
> >> > North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and
> >> > it would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day
> >> > late
> > and
> >> > a dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
> >> > I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books
> > and
> >> > clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again
there
> >> > speedy!
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> OK Sparky, how about you enlighten us rubes about how much oil the US
> > was
> >> importing prior to WWII. [Hint, do you know where Texas is? Do you
know
> >> what is in Texas?]
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >> >> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause
> >> >> > in
> >> > North
> >> >> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
> >> >> > in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we
could
> >> >> > grab as
> >> > much
> >> >> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> >> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >> I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for
a
> >> >> much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
> >> >>
> >> >> You really should read more... :(
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >>
> >> --
> >> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?
It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
sad!
"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ayk2k.197248$yE1.164612@attbi_s21...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
North
> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
> > Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as
much
> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>
> So who pissed in your oatmeal this morning?
>
> So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!
How funny are you? You don't travel much but Freedom in America has
disappeared! Only an utter moron wouldn't realize that "a nation of Peace"
as Bush loves to claim, has been at War my whole live, Outright conflicts
Korea, Vietnam, the Cold War and inbetween more covert wars then anyone can
imagine. EVERYDAY for MORE THEN 50 YEARS wasted on WAR?
You lack any knowledge whatsoever....We didn't fight for that "idea" in
1776, we fought against tax's. yet imposed a far greater tax to fund the
Revolutionary War. One of the great causes of the War was the fact the
British failed to protect the citizens (especially from PA. from Indian
attacks) we demanded action and the fact is the Brtitish weren't as blood
thirsty or as greedy as the Americans were.
I hate to inform you, but you can travel to most countries and have a higher
level and more protected freedom of speech then you do in America!
and your ignorance only proves that America will repeat it's mistakes over
and over regardless of the cost of lives!
"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
> > We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
> > forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
once
> > again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not
for
> glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still
fought
> for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
> 2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
> our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
> that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
> you that right and honor them, We honered you.
> >
> >
> > "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> >> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lew
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies! Have a good flight, but
work on them issues ya hear!
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:25:22 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Used to fly out of Solberg!
>
> N51? Cool!
>
> Do you know Jerry? He participates here on occasion and lives near
> that field. Jerry bought a DJ-20 from one of my local wood dealers.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17
@trnddc02:
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
>
> Lew
>
Indeed 64 years ago.
I was on Pointe du Hoc a few weeks ago and my French niece said "I am cold
"(it was windy and cool)", but happy that those brave guys came here when
they did, because otherwise my grandparents may not have made it through
the war." It was not easy trying not to be Jewish in Holland in the early
'40s.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> You know, the only thing missing from your vile, offensive and ignorant
> little rant here and the other comments below is that you have forgotten to
> blame Bush. I will admit I did not read all of your spew, so you may have
> blamed him in one or two I didn't see, but a good little moonbat would have
> found a way to blame Bush in every posting. You have failed. Now, the next
> time you are in the Church of Gaia, you are going to have to say 10 Hail
> Algores and pay for some carbon credits to atone for that oversight.
>
No need to pay for those carbon offsets, you can get all you want for
free here:
http://freecarbonoffsets.com
B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:42:30 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies!
>
> Sorry you'll miss our lunch!
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------
He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it hating
Bush.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
I guess you did learn something!
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:22:15 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >Laugh on joke boy and then wash your hands
>
> I prefer unscented baby wipes.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------
We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:06:00 GMT, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it
>>hating Bush.
>
>
> Wasn't Bush a pilot, too? <G>
Yes, yes he was, but I believe it was exposed by George Soros and
Moveoff.org, not a very good one. :)
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:06:00 GMT, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it hating
>Bush.
Wasn't Bush a pilot, too? <G>
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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------
So you diagree with my statement?
>> I would say the US is more free than about 80% of the planet.
David
"sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NRy2k.192$n9.94@trndny01...
> Well David I've been to the top 3..... Have you? FYI: Actually America
> rates
> 27th.
>
>
>
> "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hello there,
>>
>> > How funny are you? You don't travel much but Freedom in America has
>> > disappeared!
>>
>> The population of earth is about 6,000,000,000, NA is about 300,000,000.
>>
>> I would say the US is more free than about 80% of the planet.
>>
>> Unless you think China, India, Africa, SA or Russia is more free.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>
>
On Jun 8, 7:20=A0pm, "Roemax" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lou
> its "lest"
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
>
> > Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
> > Lew
Roemax, it's it's
sawzdust wrote:
> A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
> Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
> Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
> land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
So who pissed in your oatmeal this morning?
So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:42:30 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies!
Sorry you'll miss our lunch!
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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------
On Jun 7, 11:29=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> sawzdust wrote:
> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> > North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel=
> > in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab=
> > as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>
> =A0 You know, the only thing missing from your vile, offensive and ignoran=
t
> little rant here and the other comments below is that you have forgotten t=
o
> blame Bush. I will admit I did not read all of your spew, so you may have
> blamed him in one or two I didn't see, but a good little moonbat would hav=
e
> found a way to blame Bush in every posting. =A0You have failed. Now, the n=
ext
> time you are in the Church of Gaia, you are going to have to say 10 Hail
> Algores and pay for some carbon credits to atone for that oversight.
>
>
10 Hail Algores???? ROTFLMAO
=2E
=2E
=2E
You DO have a sense of humour...
See don't beleive everything you read other wise you'd be as dumb as the
President.... Sometimes you have to THINK!
That opinion rested most of all in the US Press! Sorry Charlie! I guess you
missed the story on how S. Korea mass murdered in a purge prior to it's war
with the North!
But yoo's so smart, you knew it all!
Like Little Children everything frightens you eh?
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >I don't recall Korea threatening American Freedom do you?
>
> Haven't been around long, have you.
> There was considerable opinion at the time that Stalin wanted to spread
> his version of communism around the world.
> (What's your familiarity with Hungary's history?)
> Have you made any comparisons bwtween North Korea and South Korea
> lately?
>
> There are history books that will help enlighten you.
>
> Max
>
>
"Tanus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sweet sawdust wrote:
>> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
>>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that
>>> day,
>>> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests
>>> once
>>> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
>> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in,
>> not for glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but
>> we still fought for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for
>> that idea from 1776 to 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
>> Your comments are proof that our efforts were worth while, YOU are
>> free to comment any way you like and that is part of why We fought
>> and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave you that right and honor
>> them, We honered you.
>
> Nicely put. Thanks.
>
> Tanus
Thank You,
Max (1st Cav, Korea, '50 - '51)
Texas, nothing but steers and your type eh speedo?
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> > Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
> > prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
> > North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
> > would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late
and
> > a dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
> > I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books
and
> > clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
> > speedy!
> >
> >
>
> OK Sparky, how about you enlighten us rubes about how much oil the US
was
> importing prior to WWII. [Hint, do you know where Texas is? Do you know
> what is in Texas?]
>
> >
> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> > North
> >> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in
> >> > N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> >> > as
> > much
> >> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> >> ...
> >>
> >> I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
> >> much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
> >>
> >> You really should read more... :(
> >>
> >> --
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:16:38 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>How funny are you?
He's not as funny as you.
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sawzdust wrote:
> A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
> Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
> Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
> land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
...
I expect there are a number of E Europeans that would have opted for a
much more agressive attempt of forestalling Stalin...
You really should read more... :(
--
sawzdust wrote:
> Wow you pretend to know something! Funny though, that for all the Years
> prior as Hitler ravaged Europe, we strove... only to protect the oil in
> North Africa. You are right that the Eastern European would have, and it
> would have been a great and noble cause to have, but being a day late and a
> dollar short! America chose oil and land over people!
> I do read, and I have hundreds of my fathers photos and his log books and
> clippings from North Africa and the War in general..... Try again there
> speedy!
Try Churchill and other contemporaries.
--
sawzdust wrote:
...> ... I'd skip Churchill.
Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
of the prosecution of the war.
What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
wager.
--
sawzdust wrote:
> Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight and
> knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!
Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
need to know what they were thinking as well...
...
> ... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
> failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military career
> was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to fame is
> he made great speeches! You read him!
Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
not as active military.
> See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~
I suspect I'm at least as old as you...
> Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy. Afrika's
> point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the people
> of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
> thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.
No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.
> D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land! Anyone
> who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!
It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
positions.
Finis.
--
> The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the time
> Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the war,
> we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won! D-Day
> was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
> died that day.
>
>
>
>
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> sawzdust wrote:
>> ...> ... I'd skip Churchill.
>>
>> Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
>> of the prosecution of the war.
>>
>> What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
>> strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
>> front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
>> Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I would
>> wager.
>>
>> --
>
>
sawzdust wrote:
> A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause
> in
> North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting
> Rommel in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we
> could grab as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in
> that!e
<plonk>
sweet sawdust wrote:
> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04...
>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
>> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
>> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
> glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
> for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
> 2008 and We will fight for it in the future. Your comments are proof that
> our efforts were worth while, YOU are free to comment any way you like and
> that is part of why We fought and died. Respect the Men and Women who gave
> you that right and honor them, We honered you.
Nicely put. Thanks.
Tanus
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:21:53 -0500, sweet sawdust wrote:
>
>>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that
>>> day, forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans
>>> Interests once again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
>
>> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived
>> in,
>> not for glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but
>> we still fought for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for
>> that idea from 1776 to 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
>
> Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the
> military.
> And he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect profits,
> not freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American companies
> (like IBM) were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make
> exorbitant profits at home.
If the Soviet Union had launched a nuclear attack on the US, people
like you would find a way to blame American industry.
You're as crazy as McCarthy.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:48:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>> Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the
>>> military.
>>> And he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect
>>> profits,
>>> not freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American
>>> companies
>>> (like IBM) were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make
>>> exorbitant profits at home.
>>
>> If the Soviet Union had launched a nuclear attack on the US, people
>> like you would find a way to blame American industry.
>>
>> You're as crazy as McCarthy.
>
> If you can't argue with the facts, attack the source :-).
>
> Care to offer proof that my statements are incorrect? I thought
> not.
Bored now.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
sawzdust wrote:
> See Max your own ignorance outshines your own lack of character, low self
> esteem and lack of self respect.... a
Ok. Fuck you. I've had enough of this shit. You know, sawzdust, there
are things that you and I would agree on. Probably many things. But when
I see someone trying to ram things down other people's throats, being
verbally abusive and smugly proclaiming that everyone else is either an
asshat or idiot, I get to the point where I remove the person who's
doing it, or remove myself.
By plonking you, I get to do both.
Have a nice life, if you can ever get over your damned anger.
<plonk>
Tanus
WOW how profound~! yeah but usually the mouths like you never served or
fought!
only talk!
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <ZMf2k.29$7A1.8@trndny04>, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
> >forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
> >again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
>
> The only land we "grabbed" in Europe is cemetery plots in France.
>
> Dumbass.
>
> <plonk>
You know comimng from you................ is as meaningless as Bush!
stop pulling your own dick there assslicker!
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> ... snip
> >
> > You can run your suck all you want... and like yourself you get nowhere!
> >
>
> Dang, JT's favorite troll somehow managed to get another Usenet account.
> Buh-bye troll.
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:33:23 -0400, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I built cabinets for the garage so I have a place for my tools other than
>the floor. I also just finished restoring a Rockwell disk/belt sander about
>15 minutes ago. I will be starting on a pair of vanities next. Pics to
>follow...
>
>Take care,
>
>David.
>
>P.S. I also just converted a Wadkin mortiser to single phase, I am just
>trying to figure how to get it home from work....
>
Davey:
It's good to see your voice again.
Regards,
Tom
Thos.J.Watson - Cabinetmaker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17@trnddc02...
> Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
Cool, I am only 27 after all.
:-)
And yes - I will never forget.
See Max your own ignorance outshines your own lack of character, low self
esteem and lack of self respect.... and boy that Korean Vet thing really
threw a wrench in it I'll even bet you were in Quartermaster too.... Now if
you had said Marine Corp, you might have gotten some respect!
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You clever little peckerwood; you had me for a moment.
> Now go bury your head in your daddy's sawdust bin.
>
> Max
>
> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:cnA2k.68$cm.67@trndny09...
> > See don't beleive everything you read other wise you'd be as dumb as
> > the
> > President.... Sometimes you have to THINK!
> >
> > That opinion rested most of all in the US Press! Sorry Charlie! I
> > guess you
> > missed the story on how S. Korea mass murdered in a purge prior to
> > it's war
> > with the North!
> >
> > But yoo's so smart, you knew it all!
> >
> > Like Little Children everything frightens you eh?
> >
> >
> > "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote
> >>
> >> >I don't recall Korea threatening American Freedom do you?
> >>
> >> Haven't been around long, have you.
> >> There was considerable opinion at the time that Stalin wanted to
> >> spread
> >> his version of communism around the world.
> >> (What's your familiarity with Hungary's history?)
> >> Have you made any comparisons bwtween North Korea and South Korea
> >> lately?
> >>
> >> There are history books that will help enlighten you.
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
> > Well as for the War, Rommel was a far better read, and as for insight
and
> > knowledge I would prefer the Generals and not the politicians!
>
> Well, the politicians are the ones who directed the generals, so you
> need to know what they were thinking as well...
>
> ...
> > ... Try to Remember Churchill was a Military
> > failure( Battle of Gallipoli ). He for the most part of his military
career
> > was only a war correspondent, had poor tactics and his only claim to
fame is
> > he made great speeches! You read him!
>
> Try to remember Churchill's contribution in WW II was as Prime Minister,
> not as active military.
>
> > See kid this was about D-Day and the infamy of it~
>
> I suspect I'm at least as old as you...
>
> > Just so you know many who served in N.Afrika also fought in Italy.
Afrika's
> > point is that Americas involvement never had anything to do with the
people
> > of Europe, we protected our oil interests first and foremost. America
> > thought US soldiers should die defending oil, not the people of Europe.
>
> No, not really...we intended to stay out entirely. Other than
> Lend-Lease, probably would have done so for at least another year except
> for Pearl Harbor. At that point, we were in for good or ill and chose
> the most expedient way possible to win, given initial ill-preparedeness.
> N Africa was first for US land troops only because it was the one
> place there was an opportunity w/o certain utter defeat to start.
>
> > D-Day was NOT a noble deed~ Simply sacrificing US Sodiers for land!
Anyone
> > who claims that it was to "save" Europe..... was way to late for that!
>
> It was to fulfill commitment to Stalin to open second front and to close
> the war as quickly as possible. If it had been a land grab, it would
> have been far more successful politically than it was. It was
> deliberate orders to Eisenhower to _not_ progress that led to the final
> positions.
>
> Finis.
>
> --
>
>
> > The point is... America jumped into War to protect it's oil, all the
time
> > Hitler ravages Europe (we sit silent) olny then with Russia wining the
war,
> > we wait until Russia heads for Berlin, then jump in and claim We won!
D-Day
> > was a slaughter of US Soldiers 1.4 K killed 6K wounded.... 10K+ Soldiers
> > died that day.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >> ...> ... I'd skip Churchill.
> >>
> >> Then (as is apparent) you'd miss a great deal of context and oversight
> >> of the prosecution of the war.
> >>
> >> What does your reading of a soldier's diaries in N Africa say about the
> >> strategic difficulties of the Allies in having promised Stalin a second
> >> front in '42 but not being able to achieve that until mid '44 while the
> >> Russian army was being hammered on the eastern front? Not much, I
would
> >> wager.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> >
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:15:03 -0400, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
David,
How's your AWESOME remodel going?
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:35:20 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I guess you did learn something!
Tomorrow, I'll be exercising my lack of freedom by flying the Hudson
River corridor, from the I-84 bridge, down the NJ side, past Alpine
Towers, around "The Lady", and back up the Manhattan side of the
river. I'll do all ~ 900 feet above the ground, with a few passengers
to enjoy the view.
My trip around the Lady will be between 3 and 3:30 PM.
Don't forget to wave. <G>
If you wave hard enough, I'll rock the wings over the giant clock near
Ellis Island!
We can meet you @ Teterboro or Westchester for lunch, too.
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:21:53 -0500, sweet sawdust wrote:
>> We shouldn't forget that Americans land grab in Europe began that day,
>> forefitting 10's of thousands of US Soldiers.....Americans Interests once
>> again at American Soldiers great sacrifice!
> We fought a war we didn't want, We fought for an idea we belived in, not for
> glory or riches, sometimes the poloticians betrayed us, but we still fought
> for the idea symbolized by The Flag, We fought for that idea from 1776 to
> 2008 and We will fight for it in the future.
Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the military. And
he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect profits, not
freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American companies (like IBM)
were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make exorbitant profits at
home.
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:48:21 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>> Read his post again. He's dissing the politicians, not the
>> military.
>> And he's right. All too often we've gone to war to protect profits,
>> not freedom. Even in WWII ("The Last Good War") American companies
>> (like IBM) were continuing to sell to our enemies or to make
>> exorbitant profits at home.
>
> If the Soviet Union had launched a nuclear attack on the US, people
> like you would find a way to blame American industry.
>
> You're as crazy as McCarthy.
If you can't argue with the facts, attack the source :-).
Care to offer proof that my statements are incorrect? I thought not.
Barry,
> How's your AWESOME remodel going?
I built cabinets for the garage so I have a place for my tools other than
the floor. I also just finished restoring a Rockwell disk/belt sander about
15 minutes ago. I will be starting on a pair of vanities next. Pics to
follow...
Take care,
David.
P.S. I also just converted a Wadkin mortiser to single phase, I am just
trying to figure how to get it home from work....
A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in North
Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in N.
Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab as much
land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
"Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c7f2k.196871$yE1.120590@attbi_s21...
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
> >
>
> Many young men died that day in support of a good cause.
Hey it's the old War whores Mark & Juan! Shit hate to inform you but we
didn't win the Iraqi war did we assholes?
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> sawzdust wrote:
>
> > Anger? Disappointment! Where's the anger point?
> >
> > It's tragic, that America distorts the truth it's own history. It's just
> > sad!
> >
> > "Woodie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:ayk2k.197248$yE1.164612@attbi_s21...
> >> sawzdust wrote:
> >> > A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> > North
> >> > Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel in
> >> > N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> >> > as
> > much
> >> > land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
> >>
> >> So who pissed in your oatmeal this morning?
> >>
> >> So much anger spewing from you keyboard today!
>
> OK, you've proven that you are nothing but a moron.
>
> Nothing to see here, folks, move on.
>
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
I guess an asskissing buttlicker like yourself...
sets the such low standards for himself, you'll follow anyone!
"evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Y9l2k.3388$MF3.833@trnddc06...
> B A R R Y wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:42:30 GMT, "sawzdust" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I'm Sorry B A R R Y, but I'm full up on buddies!
> >
> > Sorry you'll miss our lunch!
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> > ---------------------------------------------
>
> He's such an angry liberal! About the only thing he's happy about it
hating
> Bush.
>
> --
> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
> Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
You clever little peckerwood; you had me for a moment.
Now go bury your head in your daddy's sawdust bin.
Max
"sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cnA2k.68$cm.67@trndny09...
> See don't beleive everything you read other wise you'd be as dumb as
> the
> President.... Sometimes you have to THINK!
>
> That opinion rested most of all in the US Press! Sorry Charlie! I
> guess you
> missed the story on how S. Korea mass murdered in a purge prior to
> it's war
> with the North!
>
> But yoo's so smart, you knew it all!
>
> Like Little Children everything frightens you eh?
>
>
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "sawzdust" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> >I don't recall Korea threatening American Freedom do you?
>>
>> Haven't been around long, have you.
>> There was considerable opinion at the time that Stalin wanted to
>> spread
>> his version of communism around the world.
>> (What's your familiarity with Hungary's history?)
>> Have you made any comparisons bwtween North Korea and South Korea
>> lately?
>>
>> There are history books that will help enlighten you.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>
>
How cute!
Try to look at the Year your looking at! If we had gotten involved earler
instead of doing nothing we could have prevented the holocaust and all the
slave labor prisons!
But we chose not too.....
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:iHe2k.30$8q2.17
> @trnddc02:
>
> > Least we not forget 44 years ago today.
> >
> >
> > Lew
> >
> Indeed 64 years ago.
>
> I was on Pointe du Hoc a few weeks ago and my French niece said "I am cold
> "(it was windy and cool)", but happy that those brave guys came here when
> they did, because otherwise my grandparents may not have made it through
> the war." It was not easy trying not to be Jewish in Holland in the early
> '40s.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
sawzdust wrote:
> A Good Cause? It was a land grab! We were fighting that good cause in
> North Africa long before D-Day protecting Oil! My father fighting Rommel
> in N. Africa, D-Day was just a sacrifice of US Soldiers so we could grab
> as much land before Russia did.... Nothing noble in that!
>
I believe you need oil to prosecute a war, but I could be wrong. You think
that's why the Nazi's were in N. Africa? Or was it they needed the sand?
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586