On 3/29/2012 6:49 PM, sal wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert advice
> before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
> sawdust.
>
> Sal
>
>
Power tools don't make a woodworker. All you need is the desire and a
few simple hand tools. If you think all you have to do is run out and
buy a bunch of power tools you are in for an expensive surprise.
I started out with the usual assortment of hand tools and an old used
electric drill. My first major power tool was a radial arm saw. I
bought it about forty years ago and built my rec room. Over the years
I have added to my tool collection and done a lot of woodworking. It
was the knowledge I gained over the years that made me a woodworker,
not the tools. The tools only made the work easier.
I've got a work room now that Norm would appreciate. It's in a house
that I designed and built myself. All the power tools in the would
could not have built that house. I built it. I could have done it with
the original assortment of hand tools I had when I was in my early
twenties. All the power did was to cut the build time down.
You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you
don't like how it turned out build it again.
Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless
to you.
LdB
Oh brother!
...and from the "expert" too! LOL
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On 4/2/2012 7:38 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>>
>>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
>>> waste
>>> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you
>>> don't
>>> like how it turned out build it again.
>>>
>>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
>>> time
>>> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
>>> useless to
>>> you.
>>
>> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
>> idea of
>> the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because
>> they
>> had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to
>> separate
>> good advice from bad.
>>
>> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
>> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with
>> a
>> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most
>> issues.
>>
>
> You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )
>
> > I like to get expert advice before I start any project.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people
> here
> who will back me up on that)!
>
> Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
> "workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
> You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a
> basic
> one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!
Anyone reading the post this is in reply to wouldn't have a snowball's
chance in hell of who said what.
You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will
be
thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.
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http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Thanks for the input members I really got a good cross section of Idea's
much appreciated.
For those of you curious about my location it is 49*53'0"N/97*10'0"W
Sal
"sal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert
>advice before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
>sawdust.
>
> Sal
>
>
sal wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>
> Sal
Table saw
Router
Drill Press
Planer
Joiner
Various sanders
Compressor
Air Nailer
Another router
That should get you started on the simple stuff.
Or... a saw and a hammer...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:28:24 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:35:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.
>>
>> Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
>
>OK, you had your joke. But believe me the shut-ins are grateful.
>Linda's been donating afghans for years, as have some other women she
>knows, and MOW has *never* said they had enough.
I think it's wonderful, but I just hadda do it.
>It's also a good place to donate jigsaw puzzles, books, etc..
I had no idea they'd accept articles like that. I have tons of books
for them if they need 'em.
--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
>> mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up
>> on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You
>> can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is
>> the work.
>
> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>
I think you misunderstood the application of the word tool in what I wrote
Bill.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:36:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans
>
>My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.
Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
<g>
--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"sal" wrote:
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc?
-----------------------------------
I built a lot of stuff with only a Bosch saber saw, a router, a
battery operated hand drill and a 6" ROS.
Throw in a straight edge and some C-Clamps and your good to go.
Lew
"sal" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple
> type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get
> expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to
> just turn into sawdust.
>
> Sal
>
>
We're happy to spend your money for you. :-)
You can do quite a bit with just a circular saw and sander. Get a good
circular saw and a great sander. The Bosch 1297DK is a good place to
start with a sander.
A table saw would be a good next purchase, between the two saws you can
handle almost any cut. Avoid cheap table saws, an inexpensive one will
run around $400 new.
A compound miter saw or Radio Alarm Saw would be a good third power saw
purchase. They make cross cutting easy, and allow repeatable cuts to
specific lengths.
You'll need a good battery-powered screwdriver and impact driver. I like
the Makita sets. Most come with multiple batteries, and the better ones
come with "smart" chargers that stop charging when the battery is
charged. (This feature will save your batteries!) Other tools such as
circular saws are available that use the same batteries as the
screwdriver kits, so you can have multiple tools and only one set of
batteries to keep track of.
Minimizing waste is a process of planning, not tools. You'll find that
conditions will require you to waste a bit of wood here or there. You
may have to cut around a knot or rough cut something and trim to final
size. Wood scraps do burn well, so use them to heat the shop or cook a
hot dog.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Bill <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>
Have you seen mine? I can't find it... I can find all the other hammers,
but just not the good one.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Swingman" wrote ...
> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>
>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
>> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
>> like how it turned out build it again.
>>
>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
>> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
>> you.
>
> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
> the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
> had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
> good advice from bad.
>
> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.
>
And the ultimate teacher is YOUR OWN MISTAKES!!
If you haven't made any mistakes, you haven't built anything. One mark of a
true craftsman is somebody who can deal with those mistakes in a creative
way. Besides, most people won't see them anyway.
I thought is was amusing, the comment about "wasting" wood. I never waste
wood. I may repurpose a specific piece of wood now and then. But I never
"waste" wood. If I cut something too short and have to go buy another piece
of wood, that sort of things stays in my memory banks for a long time. Much
less chance of doing that sort of thing again.
Again, learning a any new skill is a learning process. Learning, by
definition, does not occur in a linear, pain free fashion. You screw up.
You make mistakes. You learn. You move on. You get better. That is the
way it has worked since caveman days. The only real shortcut would be some
dedicated classroom study or mentoring of some kind. Otherwise, it is just
you, the wood and some tools. Welcome to the real world.
Any real woodworker has a scrap bin. An amazing number of things have been
built from that scrap bin. Any thing that is too small for the scrap bin
gets burned in the fireplace. Sooo...., no waste here!
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:36:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:
>>
>>> Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans
>>
>>My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.
>
> Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
> <g>
>
> --
> "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
> government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
>
Storytellers. They need raw material to spin their yarns.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oops - got on a soap box... Sorry...
I did three years of woodwork at school and not a power tool in site,
unless you count the lathe, which was only ever used for demonstrations,
or the two-foot diameter sandstone grinder for sharpening.
The first project was a boat. A piece of 3x1 about 6" long, two diagonal
saw cuts at the front to form the "sharp end" and a radiused curve at the
back for the stern, cut with a bow-saw. Two grooves were cut across it
with saw and chisel and a blind hole drilled in the middle to take a piece
of dowel for the funnel.
We then went on to learn how to use a plane - here's a piece of wood
sonny, I want it planed to these exact dimensions and it must be perfectly
straight and all edges square. Then to the plough plane and learning to
cut and use various joints - making projects which made use of those
joints.
Most of my woodwork, over the years, continued to be made with simple hand
tools although power tools were added as years went past and funds became
available. An electric drill, a small circular saw, a sander, then jig saw
and eventually a router. I still do a lot with hand tools.
I admit some of my early work was poor but I have improved much over the
years. As you say, you learn by doing and practising.
My advice to anyone is to look up local education centres and see if they
offer courses in basic woodwork, many do, and take it from there. Get
together a decent set of hand tools and worry about power tools later.
--
Stuart Winsor
Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org
In article <[email protected]>,
HeyBub <[email protected]> wrote:
> Get a pneumatic nailer.
No.
Throw away all your nails.
If something has to be fixed so that it might have to come apart one day,
use decent screws.
If it's not going to have to come apart use glue.
--
Stuart Winsor
Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org
On 4/2/2012 7:38 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>>
>>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
>>> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
>>> like how it turned out build it again.
>>>
>>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
>>> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
>>> you.
>>
>> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
>> the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
>> had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
>> good advice from bad.
>>
>> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
>> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
>> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.
>>
>
> You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )
>
> > I like to get expert advice before I start any project.
>
> Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people here
> who will back me up on that)!
>
> Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
> "workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
> You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a basic
> one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!
Anyone reading the post this is in reply to wouldn't have a snowball's
chance in hell of who said what.
You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will be
thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:14:09 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 3/30/2012 10:12 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> Bill<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>>
>>
>> Have you seen mine? I can't find it... I can find all the other hammers,
>> but just not the good one.
>
>That sounds like a line from a love song by Whitney Houston, or
>something? % )
If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning.
I'd hammer in the evening, all over this land.
--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:00:00 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>>>
>>>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
>>>> waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If
>>>> you don't like how it turned out build it again.
>>>>
>>>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
>>>> time you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
>>>> useless to you.
>>>
>>> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
>>> idea of the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor,
>>> because they had to ask in the first place, do they have the
>>> experience to separate good advice from bad.
>>
>> Did you observe any bad advice proffered?
Yeah, people out there are telling folks to -stain- perfectly good and
innocent wood, fer pity's sake.
>there is a lot of advice given here that though it may not be bad, is not
>good either. Can you tell the difference?
What's not good to some can be excellent to others, and vice versa.
It's called a difference of opinion, Mikey. Differences in ability to
explain things can make a difference to the OP, too. they might not
understand the 'good' advice yet immediately grasp the 'mediocre'.
Hearing all the different forms of advice is good for the OP. It lets
them start understanding the various levels people are coming from.
The pineywood hacker will give different advice than the veteran
hardwood woodworker or a veneer god. It's all good.
--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.
Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 7:04 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean
>>>> from mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up
>>>> on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a
>>>> woodworker. You can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the
>>>> tool, it is the work.
>>>
>>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>>
>>
>> I think you misunderstood the application of the word tool in what I
>> wrote Bill.
>>
>
>
> Okay. When you wrote "It's not the tool", I thought you meant you
> could get by with a saw and a hammer.
Read my post again - you have to take the whole thing in context. You would
be surprised at what you can do with less than you think, though. Like I
said - most of us started out with a lot less and did quite well. I've made
more than a couple mortise and tennon joints with no more than a handsaw, a
chisel and a hammer. I lived for decades without a drill press, just using
a 3/8 drill motor. What have you built Bill?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 11:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>>> sal wrote:
>>>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I
>>>>> like to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>>>
>>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>>
>>
>> And you are commenting that you think someone is suggesting hammers
>> and saws?
>>
>
> You did. I was toying with HB above. There's nothing quite like a
> hammer...
And... a BIGGER one, at that!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>> sal wrote:
>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>
>>
>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>
> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>
Get a pneumatic nailer.
I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
end that's used to hit the nail.
Is that right?
Bill wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>> sal wrote:
>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>
>>
>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>
> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>
And you are commenting that you think someone is suggesting hammers and
saws?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mar 30, 2:32=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> And the ultimate teacher is YOUR OWN MISTAKES!!
>
> If you haven't made any mistakes, you haven't built anything. =A0One mark=
of a
> true craftsman is somebody who can deal with those mistakes in a creative
> way. =A0Besides, most people won't see them anyway.
>
> I thought is was amusing, the comment about "wasting" wood. =A0I never wa=
ste
> wood. =A0I may repurpose a specific piece of wood now and then. =A0But I =
never
> "waste" wood. =A0If I cut something too short and have to go buy another =
piece
> of wood, that sort of things stays in my memory banks for a long time. =
=A0Much
> less chance of doing that sort of thing again.
>
> Again, learning a any new skill is a learning process. =A0Learning, by
> definition, does not occur in a linear, pain free fashion. You screw up.
> You make mistakes. =A0You learn. =A0You move on. =A0You get better. =A0Th=
at is the
> way it has worked since caveman days. =A0The only real shortcut would be =
some
> dedicated classroom study or mentoring of some kind. =A0Otherwise, it is =
just
> you, the wood and some tools. =A0Welcome to the real world.
>
> Any real woodworker has a scrap bin. =A0An amazing number of things have =
been
> built from that scrap bin. =A0Any thing that is too small for the scrap b=
in
> gets burned in the fireplace. Sooo...., =A0no waste here!
Exactly - I have been manufacturing sawdust for 35 or more years. I
still do not consider myself an expert by any stretch. But about ten
years ago I did adopt the old adage "The sign of a true craftsman is
in how well he can correct his screw-ups!"
When we built our home about three years ago we contracted the kitchen
and bath cabinets to a local cabinet shop. I would have done them but
we wanted to move in some day ;o). We live in a small town, but the
guy who started the shop went through the Pitt State wood tech program
20-25 years ago. He did custom work for a while, then opened a
factory where he did production work building WalMart office
furniture. He finally got tired of WalMart mentality and opened a new
local shop that does custom work including outfitting some pretty
exclusive homes. He is a seasoned and talented cabinetmaker. I was
in his shop when he was working another job and I heard $#@%^ from a
bench! He and one of his workers met for a few minutes; they both
smiled and he slapped his guy on the back and he went back to his
work. "Ya know Ron - the sign of a true craftsman is how well he
cleans up his screw-ups. We have a building full of craftsmen here!"
Bo-Boo's that might have seemed earth shattering years ago usually
require a moment to think and then a work-around. But I do have a
heavy rocking horse leg hanging on my shop wall that is unusable and
bears the magic marker reminder "Think, Stupid!"
Ditto with scrap bin too. A lot of scrap goes to a scrap & small
lumber rack and small stuff goes to a 35 gallon trash can for
fireplace kindling. I probably dig in the trash can as much as the
rack for small pieces, shims or solutions. I follow the Norm Abrams
school of disposal: I never keep anything smaller than 5 inches long
-- unless I think I can use it later.
RonB
LdB wrote:
>
> Power tools don't make a woodworker. All you need is the desire and a
> few simple hand tools. If you think all you have to do is run out and
> buy a bunch of power tools you are in for an expensive surprise.
>
> I started out with the usual assortment of hand tools and an old used
> electric drill. My first major power tool was a radial arm saw. I
> bought it about forty years ago and built my rec room. Over the years
> I have added to my tool collection and done a lot of woodworking. It
> was the knowledge I gained over the years that made me a woodworker,
> not the tools. The tools only made the work easier.
>
> I've got a work room now that Norm would appreciate. It's in a house
> that I designed and built myself. All the power tools in the would
> could not have built that house. I built it. I could have done it with
> the original assortment of hand tools I had when I was in my early
> twenties. All the power did was to cut the build time down.
>
> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
> waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you
> don't like how it turned out build it again.
>
> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless
> to you.
>
> LdB
Preach it brother! Get up there on that stump and yell it out!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
I am in Winnipeg Canada LasVegas North.
Sal
"sal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert
>advice before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
>sawdust.
>
> Sal
>
>
Yes Leon I did I'm going to sift through them and take it easy. I do have a
contractors saw router table and plunge router , miter saw , jigsaw ,drill ,
sanders and various handtools ,
Sal
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/29/2012 6:49 PM, sal wrote:
>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert
>> advice
>> before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
>> sawdust.
>>
>> Sal
>>
>>
>
> Ge Sal, you are going to get a ton of answers.
>
> Decide for yourself what tools you will need.
>
> Look at what you want to build and determine which tools will be needed.
> That is not complicated.
>
> Do you need to cut wood, get a saw. Do yo need holes, get a drill...
>
> Do not go out and randomly buy a list of tools with out knowing if you
> will actually need them.
>
Winterpeg, Manitscoldhere?
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"sal" wrote in message news:BNndr.43757$%[email protected]...
I am in Winnipeg Canada LasVegas North.
Sal
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
> > mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
> > idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
> > you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.
>
> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>
> Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
> (maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
> key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
> plane with only your own wit.
>
> When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
> tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
> I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
> have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
> In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
> an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
> fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
> well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
> tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
> the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
> make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O
Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
grizzly bear without any.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> HeyBub wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
> >> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> >>> sal wrote:
> >>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
> >>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
> >>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
> >>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
> >>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
> >>
> >> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
> >>
> >
> > Get a pneumatic nailer.
> >
> > I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
> > end that's used to hit the nail.
>
> Come on now! A nail? That's all you can think of to swing your hammer
> at? : ) Honestly though, affected by what I've read here, I take
> better care of my better hammers. Life was simpler back when I just had
> 1 hammer...
Well, you can always swing it at danger, a warning, or love between your
brothers and your sisters a-all over this land, but generally swinging
at a nail results in less chaos.
Standard Usenet confusion.
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Of course you realize that is not what was said - don't you?
HeyBub wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>> sal wrote:
>>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I
>>>> like
>>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>>
>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>
>
> Get a pneumatic nailer.
>
> I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the
> metal end that's used to hit the nail.
>
> Is that right?
the nail or your thumb
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean
>>> from mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes.
>>> Give up on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a
>>> woodworker. You can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the
>>> tool, it is the work.
>>
>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>
>> Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
>> (maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
>> key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
>> plane with only your own wit.
>>
>> When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
>> tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
>> I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool,
>> would have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
>> In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always
>> been an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left
>> to create fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up
>> your well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without
>> mechanical tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the
>> ends of each of the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame?
>> How would you best make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the
>> glue-up! : O
>
> Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him
> a grizzly bear without any.
Of course you realize that is not what was said - don't you?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
sal wrote:
> Thanks for the input members I really got a good cross section of
> Idea's much appreciated.
> For those of you curious about my location it is 49*53'0"N/97*10'0"W
>
wherever that is. Why not just simply say where it is?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mar 29, 6:49=A0pm, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert adv=
ice
> before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
> sawdust.
>
> Sal
I started with a hand-held Craftsman circular saw that my wife gave me
as a gift a few years after we were married (from the age of much
better Craftsman tools - still use it). About the same time my dad
gave me one of his old B&D jig saws. I already had an electric
drill. I built some pretty neat stuff with that and some basic hand
tools. I did run to my cousin's shop a few times to borrow some table
or radial arm saw time; but I did most of my woodworking and cabinets
with what I had.
Much better equipped now but I learned a lot from figuring out what to
do with what I had. By the way - two things:
1) Don't focus entirely on "power' tools. Shop around for good
chisels, thin blade hand trim saws, hand planes, marking and measuring
tools, squares, drill bits (yes, for power drill) straightedges,
clamps, clamps, clamps, more clamps, etc. Buy good stuff because
these are the devices you will probably use for the rest of your
woodworking life. Estate sales, farm sales and garage sales are good
sources for quality tools at reasonable prices. Craigslist too.
2) Some sawdust is inevitable!
RonB
Bill wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>>
>>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
>>> waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If
>>> you don't like how it turned out build it again.
>>>
>>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
>>> time you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
>>> useless to you.
>>
>> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
>> idea of the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor,
>> because they had to ask in the first place, do they have the
>> experience to separate good advice from bad.
>
> Did you observe any bad advice proffered?
>
there is a lot of advice given here that though it may not be bad, is not
good either. Can you tell the difference?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> What have you built Bill?
>
>
> I bent six approximately 12" pieces of 1/2" softsteel 90 degree angles
> and brazed the ends of them to two hexagonal 1" diameter "nuts".
> I painted that assembly black and ran through it a straight piece of
> polished brass tubing, which I had put threads on, and attached it to
> an 1 1/2" wide Mahogany base which I turned on a lathe and provided
> with a decent varnish finish (a little heavy for my current tastes).
>
> Added a light switch and cord, and it was out the door. It must have
> been a popular project as I ran accross someone else's
> on the Internet last week. I made mine in the late 70's.
>
> Also made the 3-legged "artifical wrought iron" candle holder (from
> the same soft steel, the bird feeder, and the mahogany and maple
> cutting board--which mom still uses. I checked a couple times and
> she doesn't recollect and it doesn't make the least bit of difference
> to her that I made it. I'm glad she likes it! : )
>
> During the same time, I built a neat project from "The Boy
> Electrician", stuffed a fish (added homemade plaque--still hanging),
> learned to tie fishing flies and got orientated to painting and drywall
> work.
> Several of these instilled in me an appreciation for "a job
> well-done"--which somehow I suspect is a foundation for craftmanship.
> I wasn't afraid to work on my car neither--and gas was expensive
> then---up to $1.58/gal!!!--I don't recall what it was at Arco.
>
> Well, thanks for asking.
>
Now we're talkin'! Good stuff Bill.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
> like how it turned out build it again.
>
> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
> you.
Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
good advice from bad.
Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
sal wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>
For most, making sawdust is the goal.
A birdhouse, curtain valence, chess board, or a laminate floor is just a
fringe benefit.
Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans and 52
baby blankets?
Same idea.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "sal" wrote:
>
>
>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc?
> -----------------------------------
> I built a lot of stuff with only a Bosch saber saw, a router, a
> battery operated hand drill and a 6" ROS.
>
> Throw in a straight edge and some C-Clamps and your good to go.
>
> Lew
You hit on something Lew. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I
have built cabinets and magical apperatus, and bookshelves, and all other
sorts of stuff with nothing more impressive than a jig saw. I had to
improvise on clamps and guides, and that sort of thing, but it was still
easier and more accurate than a hand saw. With those, I turned out a very
good quality of work. The answer does not lie in the tool. The answer lies
in the guy behind the tool. I see too many people here today getting all
wrapped up in the rhetoric of the group, or the stuff they can read on the
internet, and not making any progress in learning how to use the simplest of
tools. What a surprise awaits them when they buy all of their top end tools
and still don't know what to do with them.
There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.
We have pro's here and we have amatures here. Unfortunately, the advice of
the pro's, which reflects their needs as pro's, often becomes the mantra of
the guy who has never made a cut in a board. Maybe it would be beneficial
for the pro's to share where they came from. For a certainty - they did not
simply start out with the coolest cabinet saw, the Festool router, the dust
collector, the..."whatever". They started out with much more rudemtary
tools and they learned their knack, long before they invested in the cooler
things.
Oops - got on a soap box... Sorry...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Swingman wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>
>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
>> waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you
>> don't like how it turned out build it again.
>>
>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
>> time you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
>> useless to you.
>
> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea
> of the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because
> they had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to
> separate good advice from bad.
>
> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most
> issues.
No kidding! There's this guy on the woodworking newsgroup named Swingman...
Ok - that was an unnecessary jab, but I just love jabs...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 3/29/2012 6:49 PM, sal wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert advice
> before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
> sawdust.
>
> Sal
>
>
Ge Sal, you are going to get a ton of answers.
Decide for yourself what tools you will need.
Look at what you want to build and determine which tools will be needed.
That is not complicated.
Do you need to cut wood, get a saw. Do yo need holes, get a drill...
Do not go out and randomly buy a list of tools with out knowing if you
will actually need them.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:49:20 -0500, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert advice
>before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
>sawdust.
>
>Sal
>
Expect to get all sorts of answers from no power tools to a fully
equipped shop costing tens of thousands of dollars.
How much money to you have? Set a budget and then set your
priorities. I started out with a cheap (less than $200) Craftsman
table saw. It has shortcomings, but I was able to build a lot of nice
little things. After a couple of years, I figured I'd be sticking
with the hobby and bought a Delta Contractor saw.
As I needed tools and had the money, I bought for a specific project,
not because there is any sequence to equip a shop. . Drill press,
small compressor and brad nailer, ROS sander, etc. It took me about
five years to get a good shop with router tables, bandsaw, planer,
etc. While all that stuff is nice to have, I still had fun and made a
lot of projects without.
People built their own houses and furniture for centuries before
electricity was invented. Hand saws, brace and bit, scrapers, planes
. . . it just took longer
"sal" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum power tool
>requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type furniture e.g.. footstool ,
>bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is
>very expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>
> Sal
The minimum would be zero. Roy Underhill gets the job(s) done with
just hand (and foot) tools.
The other end of the spectrum is Norm Abram who seems to abhor
any hand tool if he can possibly use a power tool.
Art
sal wrote:
> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc?
110v
> I like to get expert advice before I start any project.
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people here
who will back me up on that)!
Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
"workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a basic
one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!
Draw some pictures. Consider the parts you would need and how you
would build them (and finish them?). And perhaps more significantly, how
you would assemble them. Look at books or magazines or online
woodworking forums for ideas.
Woodworking as a hobby reminds me of the camel that stuck its head under
the edge of a tent. Mark my words: That is expert "advice"! Have fun!
Bill
> Wood is very expensive to just turn into
> sawdust.
Dimensional lumber, like you'll need for a basic bench is relatively
cheap. If you don't like the first one, you can make a second one.
Maybe start with a small "charging station" table to hold your
rechargeable batteries and other nic-nacs?
>
> Sal
>
>
Mike Marlow wrote:
> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
> mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
> idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
> you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.
I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
(maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
plane with only your own wit.
When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O
Cheers,
Bill
On 3/30/2012 7:04 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
>>> mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up
>>> on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You
>>> can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is
>>> the work.
>>
>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>
>
> I think you misunderstood the application of the word tool in what I wrote
> Bill.
>
Okay. When you wrote "It's not the tool", I thought you meant you could
get by with a saw and a hammer.
On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> sal wrote:
>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>
>
> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>
> A birdhouse, curtain valence, chess board, or a laminate floor is just a
> fringe benefit.
>
> Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans and 52
> baby blankets?
>
> Same idea.
>
>
On 3/30/2012 10:12 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Bill<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>
>
> Have you seen mine? I can't find it... I can find all the other hammers,
> but just not the good one.
That sounds like a line from a love song by Whitney Houston, or
something? % )
>
> Puckdropper
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:03:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> As I needed tools and had the money, I bought for a specific project,
> not because there is any sequence to equip a shop. . Drill press, small
> compressor and brad nailer, ROS sander, etc. It took me about five
> years to get a good shop with router tables, bandsaw, planer, etc.
Unlike a lot of people I'd put a jointer and a planer right after a table
saw. The difference in price between S4S and rough hardwood will pay for
them in short order if you spend much time at the hobby. And a bandsaw
for resawing ranks high for the same reasons of wood cost.
I'd put a brad nailer way at the bottom unless I was doing finish
carpentry instead of WW. Or trying to emulate Nahm :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 3/30/2012 11:47 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 7:04 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean
>>>>> from mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up
>>>>> on the idea that you can "learn" your way to being a
>>>>> woodworker. You can't, unless you learn from doing. It is not the
>>>>> tool, it is the work.
>>>>
>>>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>>>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>>>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think you misunderstood the application of the word tool in what I
>>> wrote Bill.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Okay. When you wrote "It's not the tool", I thought you meant you
>> could get by with a saw and a hammer.
>
> Read my post again - you have to take the whole thing in context. You would
> be surprised at what you can do with less than you think, though. Like I
> said - most of us started out with a lot less and did quite well. I've made
> more than a couple mortise and tennon joints with no more than a handsaw, a
> chisel and a hammer. I lived for decades without a drill press, just using
> a 3/8 drill motor. What have you built Bill?
>
Respect.
On 3/30/2012 11:36 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>> sal wrote:
>>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
>>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>>
>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>
>
> And you are commenting that you think someone is suggesting hammers and
> saws?
>
You did. I was toying with HB above. There's nothing quite like a
hammer...
On 3/30/12 3:27 PM, sal wrote:
>
> "sal"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>> power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>> furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like to get expert
>> advice before I start any project. Wood is very expensive to just turn into
>> sawdust.
>>
>> Sal
>>
> I am in Winnipeg Canada LasVegas North.
>
> Sal
>
I have never heard that shit hole described that way before, and I was
born there.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Swingman wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>
>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
>> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
>> like how it turned out build it again.
>>
>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
>> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
>> you.
>
> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
> the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
> had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
> good advice from bad.
Did you observe any bad advice proffered?
>
> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.
>
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>>>
>>>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing
>>>> waste of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If
>>>> you don't like how it turned out build it again.
>>>>
>>>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the
>>>> time you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially
>>>> useless to you.
>>>
>>> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no
>>> idea of the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor,
>>> because they had to ask in the first place, do they have the
>>> experience to separate good advice from bad.
>>
>> Did you observe any bad advice proffered?
>>
>
> there is a lot of advice given here that though it may not be bad, is not
> good either. Can you tell the difference?
>
I like to think so. I agreed with the one to holdoff on the finish nailer.
Mike Marlow wrote:
What have you built Bill?
I bent six approximately 12" pieces of 1/2" softsteel 90 degree angles
and brazed the ends of them to two hexagonal 1" diameter "nuts".
I painted that assembly black and ran through it a straight piece of
polished brass tubing, which I had put threads on, and attached it to an
1 1/2" wide Mahogany base which I turned on a lathe and provided with a
decent varnish finish (a little heavy for my current tastes).
Added a light switch and cord, and it was out the door. It must have
been a popular project as I ran accross someone else's
on the Internet last week. I made mine in the late 70's.
Also made the 3-legged "artifical wrought iron" candle holder (from the
same soft steel, the bird feeder, and the mahogany and maple cutting
board--which mom still uses. I checked a couple times and she doesn't
recollect and it doesn't make the least bit of difference to her that I
made it. I'm glad she likes it! : )
During the same time, I built a neat project from "The Boy Electrician",
stuffed a fish (added homemade plaque--still hanging), learned to
tie fishing flies and got orientated to painting and drywall work.
Several of these instilled in me an appreciation for "a job
well-done"--which somehow I suspect is a foundation for craftmanship. I
wasn't afraid to work on my car neither--and gas was expensive then---up
to $1.58/gal!!!--I don't recall what it was at Arco.
Well, thanks for asking.
Cheers,
Bill
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:35:29 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.
>
> Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
OK, you had your joke. But believe me the shut-ins are grateful.
Linda's been donating afghans for years, as have some other women she
knows, and MOW has *never* said they had enough.
It's also a good place to donate jigsaw puzzles, books, etc..
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Puckdropper wrote:
> Larry Jaques<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 06:36:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does you wife knit? If so, I ask you what do you do with 83 afghans
>>>
>>> My wife donates them to Meals on Wheels.
>>
>> Fascinating! What portion of our society eats them, pray tell?
>> <g>
No, it Heats them! And, these are people who may not be able to afford
to crank up the thermostat!
>>
>> --
>> "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
>> government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
>>
>
> Storytellers. They need raw material to spin their yarns.
>
> Puckdropper
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
>>> mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
>>> idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
>>> you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.
>>
>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>
>> Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
>> (maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
>> key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
>> plane with only your own wit.
>>
>> When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
>> tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
>> I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
>> have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
>> In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
>> an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
>> fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
>> well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
>> tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
>> the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
>> make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O
>
> Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
> grizzly bear without any.
>
Well, Mike say's I quoted him out of context. Fair enough. I'm leaving
it at that.
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>> There is no substitute for getting out there and doing it. Lean from
>>> mistakes - and nobody can advise you past those mistakes. Give up on the
>>> idea that you can "learn" your way to being a woodworker. You can't, unless
>>> you learn from doing. It is not the tool, it is the work.
>>
>> I think that the "tools" deserve more credit. Even, and perhaps
>> especially, ones like straight-edges and squares. Even that
>> Speed-square we both use to guide our circular saws. Oh, and clamps.
>>
>> Take away your air compressor and see how well you can paint a car
>> (maybe well enough for 18th century standards--and therein lies the
>> key). Try to get a board flat with a pocket knife. Try to sharpen a
>> plane with only your own wit.
>>
>> When you go to CW (haven't been) or The Henry Ford, you see
>> tools--because they are important. BTW, I drew up a plan today which
>> I'm going to resketch it on graph paper. A T-square, another tool, would
>> have cut my time by 80% and improved my "template".
>> In short, I think tools, and knowing how to use them, have always been
>> an essestial part of being a craftsman. Otherwise you are left to create
>> fire by rubbing two sticks together (and that just uses up your
>> well-seasoned wood)! If you want to build things without mechanical
>> tools, try math. What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
>> the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
>> make the cuts? Need/want any tools? Oh, and the glue-up! : O
>
> Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
> grizzly bear without any.
It's all in the technique, right? : )
Above I asked: What miter do you need to cut on the ends of each of
the 6-edges to produce a regular hexagonal frame? How would you best
make the cuts? Oh, and the glue-up! : O
I know the measure of the miter to use to create the regular hexagaonal
frame (it's a fun little geometry problem). I honestly have not decided
how I would glue it so that the edges stay flush and flat while the
mitered edges meet perfectly. It's only a theoretical problem. But
I was thinking of glueing them two at a time clamped flat (w/sponges on
top?) , maybe the mitered ends fitting into a snug vee cut in a block to
hold them in place--this block also being clamped. Surely someone has
done better... Assume the pieces are only 1/4" thick. Otherwise, I can
imagine building something to clamp them against, perpendicular to the
grain, the force applied towards the point which is the "center of
gravity" of the frame (like around the edges of a poker table).
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:01:43 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I had no idea they'd accept articles like that. I have tons of books
> for them if they need 'em.
Another good place for books is your local library. Or, if you have
something like it, a "Friends of the Library" group. Both sell the books
to raise funds. Problem is, of course, that we seem to buy as many as we
get rid of :-). Hard bound .50, soft .25, magazines .10 - hard to resist.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
HeyBub wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 3/30/2012 7:36 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>> sal wrote:
>>>> I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the
>>>> minimum power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make
>>>> simple type furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc? I like
>>>> to get expert advice before I start any project. Wood is very
>>>> expensive to just turn into sawdust.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For most, making sawdust is the goal.
>>
>> As for me, I am just looking for an excuse to use my hammer! ; )
>>
>
> Get a pneumatic nailer.
>
> I've forgotten how to use a hammer. Thinking back, I recall it's the metal
> end that's used to hit the nail.
Come on now! A nail? That's all you can think of to swing your hammer
at? : ) Honestly though, affected by what I've read here, I take
better care of my better hammers. Life was simpler back when I just had
1 hammer...
>
> Is that right?
>
>
On 3/30/2012 2:33 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 3/30/2012 12:46 PM, LdB wrote:
>
>> You asked for advice, here it is. The internet is just an amusing waste
>> of time. Turn off your computer and go build something. If you don't
>> like how it turned out build it again.
>>
>> Waste of wood? That would be nothing compared to the value of the time
>> you have already wasted asking for advice that is essentially useless to
>> you.
>
> Mostly agree ... especially when those asking for advice have no idea of
> the level of competence/experience of the responders; nor, because they
> had to ask in the first place, do they have the experience to separate
> good advice from bad.
>
> Bottom line ... you can indeed learn on Usenet, including much about
> woodworking, but you have to take much of the proffered advice with a
> grain of salt until you can recognize those you can trust on most issues.
>
You'll take note of how I began my first reply to this thread!!! : )
> I like to get expert advice before I start any project.
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert (and it should be easy to find people here
who will back me up on that)!
Of what you listed, a "bench may be the easiest. Assuming you mean
"workbench", as it doesn't have to compete with furniture standards.
You can buy everything you need at HomeDepot or Lowes and create a basic
one in a weekend or so. I'm still working on mine (inside joke)!
...
> You guys need to take the time to get your quotes right, or the
> increasing ignorance of future generations attempting to read it will be
> thrown them into a confused state that even big pharma can't handle.
>
Well, my post may have been confounded by my pasting from one post into
another. I apologize if it left you in a confused state. It surely was
not intended.
Please allow me to also extend my apologies to any "future generations"
out there who are reading this! : ) What year did the SawStop
technology become mandated by law in the US?
Cheers from 2012,
Bill
On 3/30/2012 1:46 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> No kidding! There's this guy on the woodworking newsgroup named Swingman...
>
> Ok - that was an unnecessary jab, but I just love jabs...
No problem, I only do gumbo and dirty rice dressing ...
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:42:22 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:31:43 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Anyone who thinks the tools don't count needs to go out and catch him a
>> grizzly bear without any.
>
>"You skin that one - I'll go get another."
And the other one:
"Now where's that Eskimo woman I have to wrestle?"
--
The unexamined life is not worth living.
--Socrates
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:49:20 -0500, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I hate to be a pest, one more question though. What would be the minimum
>power tool requirement a woodworker should have to make simple type
>furniture e.g.. footstool , bookcase, bench etc?
That's kind of a subjective question. Power tools could mean drill,
circular saw, router, etc. I consider all those types of tools as a
minimum because you could build all your examples with them. And so,
I'd think of them as everybody already owning them.
For me, the minimum power tool (big iron) would be a table saw, a
contractor's table saw as a minimum and a cabinet saw as a preferred
choice.
On 3/31/2012 12:03 PM, sal wrote:
> Yes Leon I did I'm going to sift through them and take it easy. I do have a
> contractors saw router table and plunge router , miter saw , jigsaw ,drill ,
> sanders and various handtools ,
>
> Sal
>
Well Sal, you absolutely have enough to start with, it is all gravy from
here.