<<a SCMS can do dados, albeit in multiple passes as you can't put a dado
blade on the arbor. All the SCMS's I've seen have a depth stop so that
you can do dados.>>
Yes, I should have included the stipulation about using a dado blade. There
are all sorts of saws that can be used to make dadoes but not many that can
expedite the process with a dado set.
On a similar subject, I saw a show this weekend on DIY which was hosted by a
past/present baseball player (I didn't watch long enough to figure out which
one) about how to decorate your basement with a sports theme. At one point
they were making a display rack for some baseball gloves. It was made out
of 2x4s notched, half-lap style, to form a grid. The picture clearly showed
a circular saw making the notches while the ballplayer said "we used a
jigsaw to notch the pieces."
Lee
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I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
woodworker like norm, david, or roy. If you watch his show enough
you'll see silly things like him cutting a dado 1" wide by making two
passes, then putting 3/4" plywood in it for a shelf. It's obviously
way too sloppy. Then when you come back from a comercial, it fits
perfectly. My favorite one was when he built a rocking chair... from a
kit. all the parts came pre-turned and sanded. All he did was glue it
together.
brian
brianlanning wrote:
> I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
> past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
> woodworker like norm, david, or roy. ...
Ok, he's an actor. That doesn't explain why the producer
didn't hire a competent person to wrtie the scripts.
--
FF
Rob V wrote:
> ...
>
> What worse is that other boze on tools and techniques (the one that hosted
> last season - not the new guy)
> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
> I was like you have got to be kidding me - the ER is going to get a workout
> after this show.
>
Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
> Im guessing he finally killed himself in some horrific shop accident so they
> had to replace him.
>
Nahrm lived.
--
FF
loutent wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, LRod
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
> > >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
> > >
> > >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
> > >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
> >
> > Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
> > I've seen.
I recall seeing it sometime between 1989 and 1993.
Is there somewhere we can look up a list of episodes?
>
> Hi LRod,
>
> We both know that this never happened (I only
> have about 210 episodes, but all recently viewed).
>
> The closest reality is making cove molding by sliding
> square stock it over the TS blade little by little - I've done this
> many times and it is very safe.
>
I remember that too, but don't remember when.
What did he make in the first episode?
--
FF
> About Bruce Johnson
> An expert in wood refinishing, antique restor.....
snip.....
>lectors as Steven Spielberg and Bruce Willis, among many others.
sounds like some pretty good bonafides. so why doesn't he know the
difference between a SCMS and a RAS, among numerous other things?
maybe some kind of dyslexia?
Here's an easy solution to the tears of indignation about the wrongs
shown on television.
Don't watch that crap. Then you won't get all upset and offended, you
won't have to vent to all the other hobby woodies, and you will have
time to work in your shop and do something constructive.
I mean really, who are the idiots here? The guy that is on TV that
apparently doesn't know any better or the guy that watches and knows
better, and continues to watch long enough episodes to have more than
one example to cry about?
Robert
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:31:29 -0400, Odinn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
>
> Not on TV, with a script, and the ability to re-shoot.
>
> Not many people both know the subject and make a good presenter. But
> they ought to have someone on set who does know, and who would call Cut!
> aftter a gaff like that.
We don't know how well scripted these shows are, though. All of us
stumble over our tongues from time to time, and if the shooting is
rushed, that's what ends up being broadcast. Better if it doesn't
happen, and better if it's edited out if it does happen, but life's
like that.
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> >....
> >> >
> >> > >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock
> > and
> >> > >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
> >> > >
> >> > >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
> >> > >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
> >> >
Actually what I remember was not quite like what OP described,
see below.
> >> > Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
> >> > I've seen.
> >
> >I recall seeing it sometime between 1989 and 1993.
> >
> >Is there somewhere we can look up a list of episodes?
>
> Isn't there a list on LRod's web site? <g>
>
Indeed there is and I do not see anything that could be the episode
I remember, so evidently it was not Nahrm.
What I remember is that the worker, whoever he was, said he was
going to make a series of plunge cuts onto the tablesaw blade,
the blade was going to be only a fraction of in inch away from
his hand and therefor alignment of the jig was very important.
So was there a pre-Nahrm or early contemporary show I might
have seen and misremembered as Nahrm?
--
FF
[email protected] wrote:
>
> What I remember is that the worker, whoever he was, said he was
> going to make a series of plunge cuts onto the tablesaw blade,
> the blade was going to be only a fraction of in inch away from
> his hand and therefor alignment of the jig was very important.
>
> So was there a pre-Nahrm or early contemporary show I might
> have seen and misremembered as Nahrm?
>
> --
>
> FF
No, I think it was Norm. I recall the TS blade being set very low and
the stock he used was more like 3X3. It was set at an angle to the
blade and he explained that varying that angle would change the height
dimension of the cove. He lacked the mitre fence in place and just
puched the stock straight into the blade. Then he ripped the completed
molding off the stock.
Did Norm ever nake a program of just little general woodworking "tips"?
I think that would be worth keeping.
foggytown wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > What I remember is that the worker, whoever he was, said he was
> > going to make a series of plunge cuts onto the tablesaw blade,
> > the blade was going to be only a fraction of in inch away from
> > his hand and therefor alignment of the jig was very important.
> >
> > So was there a pre-Nahrm or early contemporary show I might
> > have seen and misremembered as Nahrm?
> >
> > --
> >
> > FF
>
> No, I think it was Norm. I recall the TS blade being set very low and
> the stock he used was more like 3X3. It was set at an angle to the
> blade and he explained that varying that angle would change the height
> dimension of the cove. He lacked the mitre fence in place and just
> puched the stock straight into the blade. Then he ripped the completed
> molding off the stock.
That was Nahrm, making a cove, not whomever it was making a
bowl with plunge cuts.
--
FF
EXT wrote:
> This similar to last week's CSI Las Vegas where they pulled a crow bar from
> a trunk and kept calling it a tire iron throughout the show.
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > brianlanning wrote:
> > > I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
> > > past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
> > > woodworker like norm, david, or roy. ...
> >
> > Ok, he's an actor. That doesn't explain why the producer
> > didn't hire a competent person to wrtie the scripts.
> >
Or how about the mulberry tree they examined that looked suspiciously
like a eucalyptus tree?
The technical screwups on CSI Los Vegas are legion.
In a recent episode of _Crossing Jordan_, set in Boston, the
detective told the coroner he was going to Los Vegas to track
down a suspect. The coroner said she was going with him.
"Why?" he asked, "you hate Vegas." She replied, "If I have to
rely on Los Vegas CSI, we'll never catch her."
--
FF
David wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
> > "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Lee Gordon wrote:
> >>a SCMS can do dados, albeit in multiple passes as you can't put a dado
> >>blade on the arbor. All the SCMS's I've seen have a depth stop so that
> >>you can do dados.
> >>
> >
> >
> > ONLY if cross cutting the dado.
> >
> >
> of course.
Dados run accross the grain, by definition.
--
FF
> Hell, I've seen Norm do worse. When he was building the four poster bed, he
> free handed the four arced canopy sections through the table saw while
> keeping the tail section of it raised about a foot off the table saw. I've
> never seen a worse example of kickback in the making.
>
I've been converting all my VHS tapes of NYW to DVD since
I got my new DVD recorder at Costco a couple months ago.
I'm just now up to Norm's Highboy epsiodes (took 2).
This guy made 2 highboys out of tiger-maple - one for
a prototype and one for 'taping'. I would guess that both
were done in the span on a week or so (actual woodworking).
AFAIK, he does it all himself (help with setups etc.)
Use common sense in the shop with power tools.
We all do stupid stuff at times - mainly because we are
too dumb, too tired or short on time. I would guess that
for Norm, it's the latter.
Hell, he still has all his digits!
----
Someday I hope to be good enough to be cynical of
Norm Abram (ain't likely.)
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, LRod
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
> >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
> >
> >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
> >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
>
> Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
> I've seen.
Hi LRod,
We both know that this never happened (I only
have about 210 episodes, but all recently viewed).
The closest reality is making cove molding by sliding
square stock it over the TS blade little by little - I've done this
many times and it is very safe.
Lou
This similar to last week's CSI Las Vegas where they pulled a crow bar from
a trunk and kept calling it a tire iron throughout the show.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> brianlanning wrote:
> > I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
> > past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
> > woodworker like norm, david, or roy. ...
>
> Ok, he's an actor. That doesn't explain why the producer
> didn't hire a competent person to wrtie the scripts.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
Visit Bahstan pahks and listen to the Mothers and Dauhters tahk at the
grocery store.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:12 -0400, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>There's one show called Paleo World in which the narrator pronounces the word "dinosaur" like
>"dyna-saw," as if it were some sort of prehistoric power tool.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:53:38 -0400, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
><<Isn't there a list on LRod's web site? <g> >>
>
>LRod has a website? <g>
I really need to start promoting that thing...
--
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This past week I watched a WW show on the DIY channel, hosted by Bruce
> Johnson. I could hardly believe what I was hearing when he referred to a
> DeWalt sliding CMS as a RAS. Where do they get these guys?
>
> Dave
I noticed that a few years back. In answer to your question, Can you trust
a DIY channel host who thinks a SCMS is a RAS , another question.
Can you trust some one that turns out work that looks crap?
On 18 Oct 2005 21:32:15 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Here's an easy solution to the tears of indignation about the wrongs
>shown on television.
>
>Don't watch that crap. Then you won't get all upset and offended, you
>won't have to vent to all the other hobby woodies, and you will have
>time to work in your shop and do something constructive.
>
>I mean really, who are the idiots here? The guy that is on TV that
>apparently doesn't know any better or the guy that watches and knows
>better, and continues to watch long enough episodes to have more than
>one example to cry about?
Here's an easy solution to the tears of indignation about the posts on
usenet.
Don't read that crap. Then you won't get all upset and offended, you
won't have to vent to all the other hobby woodies, and you will have
time to work in your shop and do something constructive.
I mean really, who are the idiots here? The guy that is posting on
usenet about TV wrongs, or the guy that reads the posts and continues
to read them to have more weenie posts to cry about?
As I write this, it seems vaguely familiar. What does "doctor, heal
thyself" mean?
--
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Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
Guess I wasn't the only one that noticed.
"EXT" <etonks@sunstormADD-DOT-COM> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This similar to last week's CSI Las Vegas where they pulled a crow bar
from
> a trunk and kept calling it a tire iron throughout the show.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We don't know how well scripted these shows are, though. All of us
> stumble over our tongues from time to time, and if the shooting is
> rushed, that's what ends up being broadcast. Better if it doesn't
> happen, and better if it's edited out if it does happen, but life's
> like that.
I'll agree that rushing can cause mistakes but he makes this mistake over
and over. I have never heard him refer to the SCMS or CMS as anything but a
RAS.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Gordon wrote:
> a SCMS can do dados, albeit in multiple passes as you can't put a dado
> blade on the arbor. All the SCMS's I've seen have a depth stop so that
> you can do dados.
>
ONLY if cross cutting the dado.
<<A sliding CMS's capabilities are a subset of those of a RAS. You got
the question backwards, e.g., what a CMS won't do that a RAS will. How
about rip?>>
Or make dadoes?
Lee
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> foggytown wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> > What I remember is that the worker, whoever he was, said he was
>> > going to make a series of plunge cuts onto the tablesaw blade,
>> > the blade was going to be only a fraction of in inch away from
>> > his hand and therefor alignment of the jig was very important.
>> >
>> > So was there a pre-Nahrm or early contemporary show I might
>> > have seen and misremembered as Nahrm?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > FF
>>
>> No, I think it was Norm. I recall the TS blade being set very low and
>> the stock he used was more like 3X3. It was set at an angle to the
>> blade and he explained that varying that angle would change the height
>> dimension of the cove. He lacked the mitre fence in place and just
>> puched the stock straight into the blade. Then he ripped the completed
>> molding off the stock.
>
> That was Nahrm, making a cove, not whomever it was making a
> bowl with plunge cuts.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
The whomever was Tony Kramer.
He made a disc, clamped a circular jig to the tablesaw and proceeded to spin
the disc while raising the blade.
Like driving past a car wreck I was horrified yet had to watch.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> This past week I watched a WW show on the DIY channel, hosted by Bruce
>> Johnson. I could hardly believe what I was hearing when he referred to a
>> DeWalt sliding CMS as a RAS. Where do they get these guys?
>>
>> Dave
>
> I noticed that a few years back. In answer to your question, Can you
> trust a DIY channel host who thinks a SCMS is a RAS , another question.
>
> Can you trust some one that turns out work that looks crap?
In all honesty what are the differences, tell me what a RAS wont do that a
CMS will. Other than portability...mjh
On 10/19/2005 5:50 PM Leon mumbled something about the following:
> "Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
>
>
> Absolutely not a mistake calling the SCMS a RAS. He does it time and again,
> over and over. He is ignorant.
>
>
I've only seen him do it once, but then again, I've only seen 4 or 5 of
his shows, since that's the only ones they keep repeating. I have my
TiVo set to catch any that pop up, but can't seem to get any of them
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"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
Absolutely not a mistake calling the SCMS a RAS. He does it time and again,
over and over. He is ignorant.
Patrick Conroy quoted:
> "Johnson is proud to have
> played a role in reviving interest in designers like Gustav Stickley, who
> founded the Arts and Crafts movement."
I have to disagree with the article statement that the Arts and Crafts
Movement was founded by Stickley. He believe he got his ideas from
Ruskin and Morris. Hubbard had a big impact with the Roycrofter's as well.
John Ruskin (1819 -1900)
William Morris (1834-1896)
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
Gustav Stickley (1858-1942)
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[email protected] wrote:
> Rob V wrote:
>
>>...
>>
>>What worse is that other boze on tools and techniques (the one that hosted
>>last season - not the new guy)
>>He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
>>turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
>>I was like you have got to be kidding me - the ER is going to get a workout
>>after this show.
>>
>
>
> Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
> tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
>
>
>>Im guessing he finally killed himself in some horrific shop accident so they
>>had to replace him.
>>
>
>
> Nahrm lived.
>
but, but, but Bruce is no Nahm. The gal on Freestyle Furniture is more
pleasant to ogle (oh, I meant "watch") and seems supremely competent
(even if it might be an act) and confident.
Dave
"Patrick Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> About Bruce Johnson
> An expert in wood refinishing, antique restoration, and home improvement,
> Bruce Johnson has published more than a dozen books on these topics,
> including Fifty Simple Ways To Save Your House, The Wood Finisher, The
> Weekend Refinisher, and The Official Identification and Price Guide to
> the Arts and Crafts Movement. His antique refinishing advice column,
> "Knock on Wood," runs in more than 20 antique/collectibles publications.
Snip
I would have to say that Bruce Johnson's books were probably written in a
manner similar to how you supplied this information about him. Copy and
Paste. I have seen him on a couple of different shows and his
demonstrations and results tend to be quite basic.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Or the idiot on the "Ultimate Workshop that showed how to cut a dado with
a
> dado blade on a TS and with the standard Guard in place. When he
discovered
> that the 1x4 that he was cross cutting the dado into would not go past
the
> guard he backed the wood back through the blades with the saw still
running.
Hell, I've seen Norm do worse. When he was building the four poster bed, he
free handed the four arced canopy sections through the table saw while
keeping the tail section of it raised about a foot off the table saw. I've
never seen a worse example of kickback in the making.
<<I really need to start promoting that thing...>>
Yeah, why keep it such a secret? <g> Actually, I needed some information on
Norm's first known use of a particular implement for an article I am writing
and found exactly what I was looking for in about 30 seconds on
www.woodbutcher.net (there, I just promoted it for you). So thanks for
making this resource available.
Lee
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Lee Gordon wrote:
> <<We don't know how well scripted these shows are, though. All of us
> stumble over our tongues from time to time, and if the shooting is
> rushed, that's what ends up being broadcast. Better if it doesn't
> happen, and better if it's edited out if it does happen, but life's
> like that.>>
>
> Still, that isn't much of an excuse. This is supposed to be instructional
> television, and "network" television to boot. I might expect them to let it
> slide if this were some local cable access show with no budget and a
> proscribed amount of studio time available, but "professional" TV should be
> held to higher standards.
>
> There's an expression in TV called "fix it in post." That refers to the
> practice of correcting errors or problems enountered during shooting in what
> is called "post-production," the time when the raw footage is edited and any
> normal adjustments to lighting and audio levels can be tweaked. I would
> guess that in any woodworking "how-to" show the camera is focused on the
> project, not on the host's face, for at least 75% of the time. Therefore,
> if the host misspoke, it is likely he did so while the audience could hear
> him but not see him. In that case, it is relatively cheap and easy to have
> him re-record his line off camera and edit in the new audio. Even if he was
> on camera, there are editing tricks that can make it an easy fix.
>
> And DIY is by no means the only network guilty of shoddy or cheapskate
> production practices. I absolutely cringe when I hear some of the things I
> have heard on, for example, the Science Channel. There's one show called
> Paleo World in which the narrator pronounces the word "dinosaur" like
> "dyna-saw," as if it were some sort of prehistoric power tool. It's one
> thing to mispronounce a word ... but not the most important one! The have
> another show which was obviously produced originally in French by French
> Canadian TV. English is clearly the second language of the narrator who
> mispronounces such basic words as "helium" (i.e. the first syllable sounds
> like that place that's the opposite of heaven). I have first-hand knowledge
> that it doesn't cost that much to re-do the audio portion of a TV
> production. There's not much excuse for letting some of this stuff get on
> the air.
>
> Lee
>
or how about talking heads that pronounce the KKK as "KLU Klux Klan"
instead of "KU Klux Klan" More say it wrong than correctly.
Dave
Lee Gordon wrote:
> <<A sliding CMS's capabilities are a subset of those of a RAS. You got
> the question backwards, e.g., what a CMS won't do that a RAS will. How
> about rip?>>
>
> Or make dadoes?
>
> Lee
>
>
a SCMS can do dados, albeit in multiple passes as you can't put a dado
blade on the arbor. All the SCMS's I've seen have a depth stop so that
you can do dados.
Dave
On 10/18/2005 11:15 PM [email protected] mumbled something about the
following:
>>About Bruce Johnson
>>An expert in wood refinishing, antique restor.....
>
> snip.....
>
>>lectors as Steven Spielberg and Bruce Willis, among many others.
>
>
> sounds like some pretty good bonafides. so why doesn't he know the
> difference between a SCMS and a RAS, among numerous other things?
>
> maybe some kind of dyslexia?
>
You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
Do you have kids? I have 5, and there are times I have to go through
the whole list before I get the right name. It's REAL easy to call
something the wrong thing. What should have caught it was the editing.
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"Odinn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> I've only seen him do it once, but then again, I've only seen 4 or 5 of
> his shows, since that's the only ones they keep repeating. I have my TiVo
> set to catch any that pop up, but can't seem to get any of them
I do not watch him often as I still think he is nothing more than an actor
regardless of his "woodworking" credentials. With that said, I have never
heard the words Compound Miter saw or Sliding Compound Miter Saw come from
his mouth. LOL.
"mike hide" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> In all honesty what are the differences, tell me what a RAS wont do that a
> CMS will. Other than portability...mjh
The question should be what will a RAS will do that a CS or CMS or SCMS
will not.
The differences are, 1, you can rip a board on a RAS, 2, you can rabbet a
board on a RAS 3, You can cut a full sheet of plywood in half on a RAS , 4,
You can drill holes on a RAS, 5, You can mold edges on a board on a RAS, to
name a few.
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:13:19 -0700, David <[email protected]> wrote:
What a dummy......everybody knows that is a jigsaw.......right?
>This past week I watched a WW show on the DIY channel, hosted by Bruce
>Johnson. I could hardly believe what I was hearing when he referred to
>a DeWalt sliding CMS as a RAS. Where do they get these guys?
>
>Dave
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> of course.
>
> Dados run accross the grain, by definition.
Actually with the grain is most often referred as a groove however
by definition,
Meaning #3: a rectangular groove cut into a board so that another piece can
fit into it
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:31:29 -0400, Odinn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 10/18/2005 11:15 PM [email protected] mumbled something about the
>following:
>>>About Bruce Johnson
>>>An expert in wood refinishing, antique restor.....
>>
>> snip.....
>>
>>>lectors as Steven Spielberg and Bruce Willis, among many others.
>>
>>
>> sounds like some pretty good bonafides. so why doesn't he know the
>> difference between a SCMS and a RAS, among numerous other things?
>>
>> maybe some kind of dyslexia?
>>
>You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
>
>Do you have kids? I have 5, and there are times I have to go through
>the whole list before I get the right name. It's REAL easy to call
>something the wrong thing. What should have caught it was the editing.
Of course there's a big difference if it's something he did once or if
he does it consistently.
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On 18 Oct 2005 10:29:15 -0700, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>My favorite one was when he built a rocking chair... from a
>kit. all the parts came pre-turned and sanded. All he did was glue it
>together
I don't see that as a bad subject for a TV show. For most of the
audience that's more chair building than they're otherwise going to
attempt. If it encourages even a handful to get a kit and actually make
something, that has to be a good thing.
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> hey, gluing is hard work.... you can't expect the guy to be able to do
> everythinh, right?
I hear the tenons and holes were labeled...
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David <[email protected]> wrote in news:18WdnXnLroqysMjeRVn-
[email protected]:
>
>
> This past week I watched a WW show on the DIY channel, hosted by Bruce
> Johnson. I could hardly believe what I was hearing when he referred to
> a DeWalt sliding CMS as a RAS. Where do they get these guys?
>
> Dave
About Bruce Johnson
An expert in wood refinishing, antique restoration, and home improvement,
Bruce Johnson has published more than a dozen books on these topics,
including Fifty Simple Ways To Save Your House, The Wood Finisher, The
Weekend Refinisher, and The Official Identification and Price Guide to
the Arts and Crafts Movement. His antique refinishing advice column,
"Knock on Wood," runs in more than 20 antique/collectibles publications.
A rare combination of craftsman and journalist, Bruce began his career as
a high school English teacher, but left teaching to set up his "Knock on
Wood Antique Repair & Restoration" shop. He spent the next 10 years as a
full-time professional refinisher, but eventually returned to writing.
Yet, Bruce says, he won't ever be without a workbench and a couple of
refinishing projects down in the basement Bruce is also the founder and
director of the Arts and Crafts Conference and Antique Show held every
February in Asheville, North Carolina, at the Grove Park Inn. The
conference, which includes the largest Arts and Crafts antiques show,
attracts more than 1500 Arts and Crafts collectors each year to its many
seminars, tours, demonstrations and exhibits. Johnson is proud to have
played a role in reviving interest in designers like Gustav Stickley, who
founded the Arts and Crafts movement. These furnishings are treasured by
such collectors as Steven Spielberg and Bruce Willis, among many others.
On 18 Oct 2005 10:29:15 -0700, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
>past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
>woodworker like norm, david, or roy. If you watch his show enough
>you'll see silly things like him cutting a dado 1" wide by making two
>passes, then putting 3/4" plywood in it for a shelf. It's obviously
>way too sloppy. Then when you come back from a comercial, it fits
>perfectly. My favorite one was when he built a rocking chair... from a
>kit. all the parts came pre-turned and sanded. All he did was glue it
>together.
>
>brian
hey, gluing is hard work.... you can't expect the guy to be able to do
everythinh, right?
: )
"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> that they are aimed at. After all what kind of a target audience is
> a group of people that would pay more for their materials and spend
> all their spare time building something that they could have bought at
> IKEA for less money?
Probably better than 90% of the woodworkers here. Most of us build for the
satisfaction of creativity and accomplishment. There's little bragging
rights in showing off a purchase from Ikea, certainly not any sense of
pride.
On 18 Oct 2005 11:48:57 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>brianlanning wrote:
>> I've heard that one from him before. There have been threads in the
>> past about just this guy. He seems to be an actor instead of a real
>> woodworker like norm, david, or roy. ...
>
>Ok, he's an actor. That doesn't explain why the producer
>didn't hire a competent person to wrtie the scripts.
or maybe he's a bad enough actor to flub his lines...
On 18 Oct 2005 18:26:42 -0700, [email protected] scribbled:
>
>loutent wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, LRod
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
>> > >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
>> > >
>> > >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
>> > >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
>> >
>> > Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
>> > I've seen.
>
>I recall seeing it sometime between 1989 and 1993.
>
>Is there somewhere we can look up a list of episodes?
There's this guy, rod or something, who has an amazingly comprehensive
site on Norm. Here's the list.
http://www.woodbutcher.net/episode.htm
Maybe we should ask him.
Oh! he has already answered.
Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:57:19 -0400, loutent <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, LRod
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
>> >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
>> >
>> >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
>> >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
>>
>> Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
>> I've seen.
>
>Hi LRod,
>
>We both know that this never happened (I only
>have about 210 episodes, but all recently viewed).
>
>The closest reality is making cove molding by sliding
>square stock it over the TS blade little by little - I've done this
>many times and it is very safe.
In the workbench episode (#2) he lowered some 1x stock onto the blade
against the fence to make a stopped cut. In addition, it was supported
at the front edge of the table and was in control at all times. I saw
nothing particularly horrifying about that, but I'm sure there are
some nervous nellies (or Nahm liars) who would.
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I agree, if its informative it might spark someones interest.
The reality woodworkers are probably a much smaller market then those
that they are aimed at. After all what kind of a target audience is
a group of people that would pay more for their materials and spend
all there spare time building something that they could have bought at
IKEA for less money.
Mike M
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:12:42 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 18 Oct 2005 10:29:15 -0700, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>My favorite one was when he built a rocking chair... from a
>>kit. all the parts came pre-turned and sanded. All he did was glue it
>>together
>
>I don't see that as a bad subject for a TV show. For most of the
>audience that's more chair building than they're otherwise going to
>attempt. If it encourages even a handful to get a kit and actually make
>something, that has to be a good thing.
<<We don't know how well scripted these shows are, though. All of us
stumble over our tongues from time to time, and if the shooting is
rushed, that's what ends up being broadcast. Better if it doesn't
happen, and better if it's edited out if it does happen, but life's
like that.>>
Still, that isn't much of an excuse. This is supposed to be instructional
television, and "network" television to boot. I might expect them to let it
slide if this were some local cable access show with no budget and a
proscribed amount of studio time available, but "professional" TV should be
held to higher standards.
There's an expression in TV called "fix it in post." That refers to the
practice of correcting errors or problems enountered during shooting in what
is called "post-production," the time when the raw footage is edited and any
normal adjustments to lighting and audio levels can be tweaked. I would
guess that in any woodworking "how-to" show the camera is focused on the
project, not on the host's face, for at least 75% of the time. Therefore,
if the host misspoke, it is likely he did so while the audience could hear
him but not see him. In that case, it is relatively cheap and easy to have
him re-record his line off camera and edit in the new audio. Even if he was
on camera, there are editing tricks that can make it an easy fix.
And DIY is by no means the only network guilty of shoddy or cheapskate
production practices. I absolutely cringe when I hear some of the things I
have heard on, for example, the Science Channel. There's one show called
Paleo World in which the narrator pronounces the word "dinosaur" like
"dyna-saw," as if it were some sort of prehistoric power tool. It's one
thing to mispronounce a word ... but not the most important one! The have
another show which was obviously produced originally in French by French
Canadian TV. English is clearly the second language of the narrator who
mispronounces such basic words as "helium" (i.e. the first syllable sounds
like that place that's the opposite of heaven). I have first-hand knowledge
that it doesn't cost that much to re-do the audio portion of a TV
production. There's not much excuse for letting some of this stuff get on
the air.
Lee
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On 19 Oct 2005 07:18:50 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>We don't know how well scripted these shows are, though.
Last contact I had with TV was some friends who let themselves be
suckered onto a reality TV show last weekend (Mechannibals - it's
Junkyard Wars with kitchen appliances). Even their "spontaneous
hysterical outbursts" were scripted and shot two or three times, then
the whole final scene and conclusion of the scene was reversed during
the edit.
TV is a vile thing - that's why I've never owned one.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:31:29 -0400, Odinn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>You've never made a mistake calling one piece of equipment something else?
Not on TV, with a script, and the ability to re-shoot.
Not many people both know the subject and make a good presenter. But
they ought to have someone on set who does know, and who would call Cut!
aftter a gaff like that.
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:12 -0400, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>here's one show called
>Paleo World in which the narrator pronounces the word "dinosaur" like
>"dyna-saw," as if it were some sort of prehistoric power tool.
Like uni-saur ?
Lol -I actually met him one time.
The wife and I were out to dinner and he sat right next to us.
I talked w/ him a bit later that evening when we were both leaving - nice
enough guy.
What worse is that other boze on tools and techniques (the one that hosted
last season - not the new guy)
He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
I was like you have got to be kidding me - the ER is going to get a workout
after this show.
Im guessing he finally killed himself in some horrific shop accident so they
had to replace him.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This past week I watched a WW show on the DIY channel, hosted by Bruce
> Johnson. I could hardly believe what I was hearing when he referred to a
> DeWalt sliding CMS as a RAS. Where do they get these guys?
>
> Dave
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:41:55 -0400, "Lee Gordon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
><<A sliding CMS's capabilities are a subset of those of a RAS. You got
>the question backwards, e.g., what a CMS won't do that a RAS will. How
>about rip?>>
>
>Or make dadoes?
Or work as an overarm router?
Or a drill press?
Or a rotary planer?
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grocery store.>>
Yes, I understand that's probably where the guy comes from. In fact, I grew
up an hour from Boston, listening to Boston radio and watching Boston TV and
even the local announcers didn't pronounce their words like that.
BTW, I have no problem with a TV celebrity like Tom Silva speaking that way
because he's a contractor who, by virtue of that fact, happens to be on TV.
Same goes for Master Plumber Ed Del Grande. But someone who is, first and
foremost, an announcer should be free of affectations.
I will admit a certain prejudice in this regard as I am a professional
announcer who grew up in New England and am able to conduct my business
without a discernable regional accent.
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Leon wrote:
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Lee Gordon wrote:
>>a SCMS can do dados, albeit in multiple passes as you can't put a dado
>>blade on the arbor. All the SCMS's I've seen have a depth stop so that
>>you can do dados.
>>
>
>
> ONLY if cross cutting the dado.
>
>
of course.
On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
>> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
>
>Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
>tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
I've seen.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>loutent wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, LRod
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 18 Oct 2005 14:16:48 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock
> and
>> > >> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
>> > >
>> > >Many years ago Nahrm did that too, on NYWS. (After first removing the
>> > >tablesaw guard for photographic clarity.)
>> >
>> > Please cite the episode you saw that in. It's not in any of the 221
>> > I've seen.
>
>I recall seeing it sometime between 1989 and 1993.
>
>Is there somewhere we can look up a list of episodes?
Isn't there a list on LRod's web site? <g>
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"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lol -I actually met him one time.
> The wife and I were out to dinner and he sat right next to us.
> I talked w/ him a bit later that evening when we were both leaving - nice
> enough guy.
>
> What worse is that other boze on tools and techniques (the one that hosted
> last season - not the new guy)
> He actually did a bowl on a tablesaw by taking a square peice of stock and
> turning by hand over the blade while raising the blade.
> I was like you have got to be kidding me - the ER is going to get a
> workout after this show.
>
> Im guessing he finally killed himself in some horrific shop accident so
> they had to replace him.
Or the idiot on the "Ultimate Workshop that showed how to cut a dado with a
dado blade on a TS and with the standard Guard in place. When he discovered
that the 1x4 that he was cross cutting the dado into would not go past the
guard he backed the wood back through the blades with the saw still running.