Hmmm...If I get a 4x8 sheet of 1/4" oak plywood, to have enough to do
the sides and back panel, I'd have to run the back panel with the grain
horizontal. Is that dorky? I know when you place wood on the front of
a cabinet you but the cathedrals pointing up. However, since it's the
back of the desk, I'm wondering how a careful woodworker, or a major
manufacturer would orient the oak plywood. The panel will show
underneath the desk, and would only show if it was moved away from the
wall. I'm trying to establish proper building techniques and aesthetics.
TIA
dave
Wouldn't you be more proud of a modest result of your original painting
skills, versus a well executed paint-by-number copy of the Mona Lisa?
I'd have more interest in the painting and respect for the person who
attempted the original painting, as opposed to looking at a copy of the
ML. Who cares if the ML is "better looking". It's all in the eye of the
beholder anyway. I've seen plenty of multi million dollar artwork that
I wouldn't hang in my house if they paid me.
dave
Silvan wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>JUST uses plans, and follows them all, religiously to the letter are
>>imitators and I wouldn't classify them as a seasoned woodworker. Not
>
>
> I don't think I'd make the distinction the same way. Woodworking is about
> skill and execution. Passing judgement on whether someone is a "seasoned
> woodworker" or not, I would put more weight on the quality of the joinery,
> the finish, and overall asthetics of wood choice and placement than on
> whether the craftman was following plans to the letter or not.
>
> I almost never look at plans, and I like to make stuff up by the seat of my
> pants as I go along, but I'm a hack woodworker. Just because I'm creative
> doesn't mean I'm any damn good at joinery, or at finishing, or at myriad
> other processes.
>
> I see creativity as the big difference. If I draw my own thing and paint it
> to the best of my ability, is it a better painting than an absolutely
> perfect verbatim paint-by-numbers copy of a great work by a master? It
> shows more _creativity_, but perhaps my best conception and execution isn't
> ultimately as good looking as a well-done paint by numbers.
>
> For me, the process is more important than the result. It's less important
> how it looks than the satisfaction I get from its having sprung forth from
> my own mind. That's my thing, and I don't expect everyone to do things my
> way.
>
The frame(s) merely make it possible to make a relatively long/narrow piece
of plywood into two or more vertically grained pieces. That way it won't
clash visually with the vertical grain on the rest of the piece.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> for grins, after I posted, I took a look at computer desk we have for
> SWMBO's pc and it has the grain of the "bb" oriented horizontally. I am
> surprised they did that. It is not in a frame, however...
>
> dave
>
> George wrote:
>
> > Vertical grain, panels in frames. You may move it away from the wall in
> > some other place and time, and the eye is not used to horizontal.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:54:36 GMT, Scott Cramer
<[email protected]> pixelated:
>On 29 Aug 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>> Larry, I'm sure most of the Wreck has killfiled you, so why bother to
--snip--
>> Bite me!
>> dave
Thanks for quoting his spew for me. It's nice to be needed.
>It has been a month, hasn't it?
I can't believe how many suckers he's found to reply to his
trash. I'm startin' to plonk any repliers, so Jums may be
next if he keeps up this horsepuckey.
>http://tinyurl.com/j21x
Y'know, he won't even get that. It'll go sailing right over
his head unnoticed and he won't even find the page he needs
"Living with your Period". C'est la LePieu.
Scott: How's that tee workin' for ya?
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:45:01 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> pixelated:
>Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> JUST uses plans, and follows them all, religiously to the letter are
>> imitators and I wouldn't classify them as a seasoned woodworker. Not
>
>I don't think I'd make the distinction the same way. Woodworking is about
When will you guys stop feeding the damned trolls?
Just about every post BAD has made has brought on
half a dozen replies disputing his statement. Don't
you guys realize that he's only here to troll.
Crikey, buy a clue!
DFTFT DFTFT DFTFT
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I think Larry plays a little loose with the facts. In fact I think
there's something loose in Larry's head...
dave
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 5:22pm (EDT+4) jake@di\/ersify.com (Larry Jaques)
> says:
> When will you guys stop feeding the damned trolls? Just about every post
> BAD has made has brought on half a dozen replies disputing his
> statement. Don't you guys realize that he's only here to troll.
>
> But Larry, don't you ever go to the zoo? It's sorta like tossing
> peanuts to the monkeys, you just wanna see what they'll do next.
>
> JOAT
> If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 28 Aug 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 9:03pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
says:
<snip> The panel will show underneath the desk, and would only show if
it was moved away from the wall. <snip>
I thought of this, just as I hit the key, before. If the desk will
be against a wall, a privacy panel would be redundant. So why worry
about it at all? I've seen many supposedly top-end desks with no
privacy panel at all.
Next, I'm wondering, if this desk is for you, why a privacy panel
at all? Please, please, don't answer that.
JOAT
If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 28 Aug 2003. Some tunes I like.
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:04:19 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
snip
>I can't believe how many suckers he's found to reply to his
>trash. I'm startin' to plonk any repliers, so Jums may be
>next if he keeps up this horsepuckey.
>
snip
roflmao. . . and he seems to think you are the killfiled one?
Larry, I'm sure most of the Wreck has killfiled you, so why bother to
type anything? Your crusade is pathetic, as are you. Go use your most
dangerous tool, while drunk, with the lights out. If you make it
through 8 hours of shop time in that fashion, come on back and post some
more of your bull crap. YOU are the troll. I answer questions, I ASK
questions, and I inject humor, mostly to counteract the likes of folks
such as yourself. I bet in real life, you are even a bigger DS than you
are here.
Bite me!
dave
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:45:01 -0400, Silvan
> <[email protected]> pixelated:
>
>
>>Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>>JUST uses plans, and follows them all, religiously to the letter are
>>>imitators and I wouldn't classify them as a seasoned woodworker. Not
>>
>>I don't think I'd make the distinction the same way. Woodworking is about
>
>
> When will you guys stop feeding the damned trolls?
> Just about every post BAD has made has brought on
> half a dozen replies disputing his statement. Don't
> you guys realize that he's only here to troll.
>
> Crikey, buy a clue!
>
> DFTFT DFTFT DFTFT
>
> - - -
> Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.
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we stand CORRECTED.
dave
K.-Benoit Evans wrote:
>>If the desk will be against a wall, a privacy panel would be
>>redundant.
>
>
> The usual name for this is a "modesty panel". They are in demand when
> short skirts are in fashion and companies use an open office
> configuration, without cubicles or closed offices. They are usually sold
> as optional add-ons.
>
On 29 Aug 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
> Scott, I just reviewed your posts (wasting 2 minutes of my time) and
It would take two hours to review your posts of the just the last two
days, Dave. And the knowledge gained would fit comfortably under a pinky
fingernail, with room left over for Dick Cheney's ethics.
> found that you rarely get involved in woodworking threads. Is that
> because you'd rather aggravate folks with smart-ass posts such as you
> make to my on-topic thread.
Dave, if that's a question, it needs a question mark. And no, I
don't tend to join in on threads like:
"Which way do I hold this board" or
"Did I pay too much for this tool I don't know how to use?" or
"How do I do something so obvious that if I thought about it for two
seconds the answer would jump up and bite me on my dumb fat ass?",
because they don't interest me.
I read this group for entertainment, not education. I know how to
look up the answers to my woodworking questions. And yeah, I post smart-
ass remarks more often that not. Boy, does that make ME unique! You are
the only dork whining about it.
> PLONK-A-ROONIE!
Don't go away mad, Dave... just go away.
On 29 Aug 2003, Larry Jaques spake unto rec.woodworking:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:54:36 GMT, Scott Cramer
> <[email protected]> pixelated:
>
>>On 29 Aug 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>>
>>> Larry, I'm sure most of the Wreck has killfiled you, so why bother to
> --snip--
>>> Bite me!
>>> dave
>
> Thanks for quoting his spew for me. It's nice to be needed.
You really shouldn't plonk him, Larry. His moronic posts push
everybody else here further to the right on the bell curve. It's like
double cappucino of self-esteem to realize you aren't him.
>>It has been a month, hasn't it?
>
> I can't believe how many suckers he's found to reply to his
> trash. I'm startin' to plonk any repliers, so Jums may be
> next if he keeps up this horsepuckey.
>
>
>>http://tinyurl.com/j21x
>
> Y'know, he won't even get that. It'll go sailing right over
> his head unnoticed and he won't even find the page he needs
> "Living with your Period". C'est la LePieu.
>
>
> Scott: How's that tee workin' for ya?
The "My Other Body is a Triathlete" shirt gets worn regularly, and is
holding up well, thanks. But I get quizzical looks. I guess folks don't
catch the subtle difference between the body of an Adonis and the body of a
triathlete. Ah well.
On 04 Sep 2003, Bay Area Dave whined:
> i'm sure that Wreckers throughout the galaxy are quaking in their steel
> toed boots that you will plonk them. They would be crushed if they
> thought that YOU wouldn't read their posts. They live for YOU, Cramer!
Uh, Dave... *I'm* not the one who feels the need to issue a press
release to the Wreck whenever someone gets added to my killfile.
for grins, after I posted, I took a look at computer desk we have for
SWMBO's pc and it has the grain of the "bb" oriented horizontally. I am
surprised they did that. It is not in a frame, however...
dave
George wrote:
> Vertical grain, panels in frames. You may move it away from the wall in
> some other place and time, and the eye is not used to horizontal.
>
> We used to indelicately refer to that privacy panel as the "beaverboard."
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hmmm...If I get a 4x8 sheet of 1/4" oak plywood, to have enough to do
>>the sides and back panel, I'd have to run the back panel with the grain
>>horizontal. Is that dorky? I know when you place wood on the front of
>>a cabinet you but the cathedrals pointing up. However, since it's the
>>back of the desk, I'm wondering how a careful woodworker, or a major
>>manufacturer would orient the oak plywood. The panel will show
>>underneath the desk, and would only show if it was moved away from the
>>wall. I'm trying to establish proper building techniques and aesthetics.
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>
Scott, I just reviewed your posts (wasting 2 minutes of my time) and
found that you rarely get involved in woodworking threads. Is that
because you'd rather aggravate folks with smart-ass posts such as you
make to my on-topic thread.
Why not hang out in another newsgroup...say
"alt.stupid.imhopingtobeelecteddimmestbulbonthestring"
PLONK-A-ROONIE!
dave
Scott Cramer wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2003, Bay Area Dave spake unto rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Larry, I'm sure most of the Wreck has killfiled you, so why bother to
>>type anything? Your crusade is pathetic, as are you. Go use your
>>most dangerous tool, while drunk, with the lights out. If you make it
>>through 8 hours of shop time in that fashion, come on back and post
>>some more of your bull crap. YOU are the troll. I answer questions,
>>I ASK questions, and I inject humor, mostly to counteract the likes of
>>folks such as yourself. I bet in real life, you are even a bigger DS
>>than you are here.
>>
>>Bite me!
>>
>>
>>dave
>
>
> It has been a month, hasn't it?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/j21x
I must take issue with your response to my previous post.
Number one, you oversimplified my statements. To wit, I DON'T think
designing is the same as building. I think a professional woodworker,
or serious, advanced amateur hobbyist would be able to complete SOME
project, SOME time without resorting to following plans to a "T".
Granted, using plans is a good thing, but I SPECIFICALLY spoke to the
distinction between the two extremes. Try to read more thoroughly, to
avoid these unpleasant exchanges.
Secondly, I consider Mozart or Bach to far beyond the expertise level of
your average musician! Note that I am not being disrespectful of your
"average musician", but rather that I distinguish the difference
between the two levels of accomplishments
dave
K.-Benoit Evans wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Using plans SOME of the time makes sense, so I distinguish between PURE
>>imitators, and those that avail themselves of a good plan on occasion.
>
>
> You seem to think that a designing furniture and building furniture is
> the same thing. You're wrong. A friend of mine is a architect, but
> judging by the woodworking projects he has done in his own home, he is
> not an especially good woodworker. On the other hand, most of the guys
> who construct the buildings he designs wouldn't know where to start if
> they had to put on the architect's hat.
>
> Some woodworkers are excellent designers too. All of us modify stock
> plans to better suit our purposes but most of us don't have the time
> (even if those who have the skill or inclination) to both design and
> build.
>
> Woodworkers who work from plans are not imitators; the are producers who
> transform unrefined materials into a finished object. An imitator would
> be someone who draws up a plan copied from the plans of another designer.
>
> Most professional musicians do not compose the music they play. They
> produce music by following plans (sheet music) drawn up by composers.
> When a great musician come to town and plays Bach, Mozart or even John
> Phillip Sousa, do you consider that musician to be an imitator?
>
> If the desk will be against a wall, a privacy panel would be
> redundant.
The usual name for this is a "modesty panel". They are in demand when
short skirts are in fashion and companies use an open office
configuration, without cubicles or closed offices. They are usually sold
as optional add-ons.
--
Regards,
Benoit Evans
In article <[email protected]>,
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> Using plans SOME of the time makes sense, so I distinguish between PURE
> imitators, and those that avail themselves of a good plan on occasion.
You seem to think that a designing furniture and building furniture is
the same thing. You're wrong. A friend of mine is a architect, but
judging by the woodworking projects he has done in his own home, he is
not an especially good woodworker. On the other hand, most of the guys
who construct the buildings he designs wouldn't know where to start if
they had to put on the architect's hat.
Some woodworkers are excellent designers too. All of us modify stock
plans to better suit our purposes but most of us don't have the time
(even if those who have the skill or inclination) to both design and
build.
Woodworkers who work from plans are not imitators; the are producers who
transform unrefined materials into a finished object. An imitator would
be someone who draws up a plan copied from the plans of another designer.
Most professional musicians do not compose the music they play. They
produce music by following plans (sheet music) drawn up by composers.
When a great musician come to town and plays Bach, Mozart or even John
Phillip Sousa, do you consider that musician to be an imitator?
--
Regards,
Benoit Evans
it' really just for rigidity...and don't go THERE! :)
dave
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 9:03pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Bay Area Dave)
> says:
> <snip> The panel will show underneath the desk, and would only show if
> it was moved away from the wall. <snip>
>
> I thought of this, just as I hit the key, before. If the desk will
> be against a wall, a privacy panel would be redundant. So why worry
> about it at all? I've seen many supposedly top-end desks with no
> privacy panel at all.
>
> Next, I'm wondering, if this desk is for you, why a privacy panel
> at all? Please, please, don't answer that.
>
> JOAT
> If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 28 Aug 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:20:19 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
pixelated:
>oh! oh! Me wibs, me wibs -stop it you lot!
>
>we still luvs ya Larry, come sit on the minwaxed moron bench with us.
>Stay away from Keeter though, I think he's been eating borscht. . .
Tanks, Grogs. Mind if I bring the ammonia with me? I want to
remove that minwhacked stuff from my area and clean the
paraKeeter's cage.
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
> JUST uses plans, and follows them all, religiously to the letter are
> imitators and I wouldn't classify them as a seasoned woodworker. Not
I don't think I'd make the distinction the same way. Woodworking is about
skill and execution. Passing judgement on whether someone is a "seasoned
woodworker" or not, I would put more weight on the quality of the joinery,
the finish, and overall asthetics of wood choice and placement than on
whether the craftman was following plans to the letter or not.
I almost never look at plans, and I like to make stuff up by the seat of my
pants as I go along, but I'm a hack woodworker. Just because I'm creative
doesn't mean I'm any damn good at joinery, or at finishing, or at myriad
other processes.
I see creativity as the big difference. If I draw my own thing and paint it
to the best of my ability, is it a better painting than an absolutely
perfect verbatim paint-by-numbers copy of a great work by a master? It
shows more _creativity_, but perhaps my best conception and execution isn't
ultimately as good looking as a well-done paint by numbers.
For me, the process is more important than the result. It's less important
how it looks than the satisfaction I get from its having sprung forth from
my own mind. That's my thing, and I don't expect everyone to do things my
way.
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