I bought a new set (2-knives) of double edged planer knives (Delta) for my
12" Delta jointer for $30 at the BORG.
I went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50 to
get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy I just
bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are disposable!"
I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and this is
what I came up with:
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
Scroll to the bottom and let me know what you think.
I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)
zap wrote:
> You may have the world's best sharpening jig ever invented, BUT, I am
> never going to see it because your web site is trying to put on my
> computer a program from "www.statcounter.com" which is a "SPY AD", and
> refuses to let me see your web page "www.garagewoodworks.com" unless I
> allow you to put that Spy program on my computer, This I will not allow,
> so I guess that I will never see your greatest invention.
You could just not allow scripts to run in your browser.
I use an extension to firefox called "No Script" which allows me to
refuse javascript to run selectively. I.e., if I need it for a
particular site (work-related, whatever) I can allow that site to run
scripts--even to the exclusion of scripts loaded from other sites on
that site's pages.
And I have no problems viewing his shtuff.
Thanks again, stoutman, for removing the flash applets. :)
er
--
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stoutman wrote:
> > BTW - The jig is a good idea, but doesn't the screw head ware,
> > changing the bevel angle?
> >
>
> yes, it is a design flaw. As the screw head wares the bevel angle changes.
> I think I have two options:
>
> 1) Create a 'run way' for the screw with tape or inverted sandpaper as
> others have suggested or:
> 2) Use a tail on the jig that projects the screw off of the sandpaper.
>
> I couldn't be pleased more with it's performance so far.
>
> I'm just waiting for Lee Valley to make one out of metal and send me the
> prototype for free! :)
heh. isn't this a two knife machine? make your jig hold both knives at
the same time, with enough spread between the edges that it stays
stable on the abrasive sheet.... no screw head involved...
Stoutman, thanks for the inspiration. Liked your idea and tried my
own. Used a 4 x 12 x 2 inch block of maple with a shallow rabbit to
hold the knives instead of nails. Screws with washers hold the knife
in the rabbit on each end and the middle. They go through the knife
mounting holes. Then used a roller bearing mounted on the long side of
a small gate hinge. The short side of the hinge is screwed to the back
of the maple block on the same side as the rabbit. A screw under the
hinge allows adjustment of angle. Using a screw for adjustment is kind
of a pain so am going to replace it with a bolt threaded through the
maple block for adjustment purposes. The roller bearing rolls across
the sand paper with no wear. Can't post a picture to ABPW as I am
google bound but it's kinda cool. Now if they just made 'legal size'
sand paper :)
In article <[email protected]>, zap
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You may have the world's best sharpening jig ever invented, BUT, I am
> never going to see it because your web site is trying to put on my
> computer a program from "www.statcounter.com" which is a "SPY AD", and
> refuses to let me see your web page "www.garagewoodworks.com" unless I
> allow you to put that Spy program on my computer, This I will not allow,
> so I guess that I will never see your greatest invention.
Huh. I get no such alert, can see his site just fine, and there's no
spyware on my Mac.
Oops. Did I say "Mac"?
In article <[email protected]>, stoutman <.@.>
wrote:
> I think this Zap guy could benefit from a little Prozac!
Or a good swift kick...
> Stoutman, thanks for the inspiration. Liked your idea and tried my
> own. Used a 4 x 12 x 2 inch block of maple with a shallow rabbit to
> hold the knives instead of nails. Screws with washers hold the knife
> in the rabbit on each end and the middle. They go through the knife
> mounting holes. Then used a roller bearing mounted on the long side of
> a small gate hinge. The short side of the hinge is screwed to the back
> of the maple block on the same side as the rabbit. A screw under the
> hinge allows adjustment of angle. Using a screw for adjustment is kind
> of a pain so am going to replace it with a bolt threaded through the
> maple block for adjustment purposes. The roller bearing rolls across
> the sand paper with no wear. Can't post a picture to ABPW as I am
> google bound but it's kinda cool. Now if they just made 'legal size'
> sand paper :)
>
Cool! How do you like the sharpening results?
I will NEVER send my planer blades out for sharpening!! Or jointer knives
for that matter.
I would love to see a picture. If you e-mail me it I can post it to the
group (and credit you of course!).
[email protected]
Thanks for the feedback!
On 4/15/2006 9:20 PM stoutman mumbled something about the following:
> "zap" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi there my friend,
>
> Hi there my confused friend! It's NOT spyware. It is a web based website
> statistical hit tracker!!
>
> I have no interest in putting Spyware on your computer. Trust me.
>
> You need to relax a little my friend. No one is out to get you! You can
> remove the aluminum foil from under your cap also! :)
He probably has the tinfoil inside out anyway. :)
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> Stout,
>
> If you look at my design, I think you can adapt it solve your screw
> problem.
> I just let then handle part ride on the table. To get the bevel angle
> right,
> I just had to experiment with the bevel in the back of the knife-holding
> jig
> and the length of the handle.
>
> Cheers,
Nice! I like that. I use to send my jointer knives off for sharpening and
I also was not pleased with the sharpening service. It was very slow to get
my knives back and the edge clearly had a lot of grooves in it. For my
jointer knives I use the Veritas jig, but it is to small for my planer
knives.
I like your design. How do you keep the blades from falling out of the
slot? or is it a snug fit?
There is one problem I can see with the tail of the jig not being supported
by same flat granite surface as the knives. If the surface the tail is
resting on is not as flat as the granite surface, as you push forward and
backwards you could be raising and lowering the jig and changing the bevel
angle as you travel.?. Maybe this is not a problem. I think I'm gonna give
your design a try!
stoutman wrote:
> Oy vey!! It's time to double the dose dude!
>
> Here is the information I have collected on you to date:
>
> You are a white male that lives alone.
> You seldom go outside and have very few friends.
> You think a "cookie" is a "program".
> Your computer is the only one you really "trust".
> You look at porn on a daily basis.
You forgot:
You like the original Cheetos brand corn curls
You have an orange colored penis
You are concerned when the price of aluminum foil is raised
Hi there my friend,
I would have loved to have seen your jig, for I am looking for Ideas to
make one to sharpen some of my own Jointer blades. But!!
You may have the world's best sharpening jig ever invented, BUT, I am
never going to see it because your web site is trying to put on my
computer a program from "www.statcounter.com" which is a "SPY AD", and
refuses to let me see your web page "www.garagewoodworks.com" unless I
allow you to put that Spy program on my computer, This I will not allow,
so I guess that I will never see your greatest invention.
For those who do not know what is being said, I have close to 150 names
of Spy programs and Data Minors in my HOST file, These are sneaky little
programs which, at the best, looks over what you have on your computer
and sends all that information out to an unknown someone else out on the
web so that they know how to address the SPAM to get by all your blocks.
And at the worst, they steal your personal information like passwords!
Every link that is called for by my computer checks is first checked in
my HOST file to see if the name is there, and if it is, then it
redirects the link back to my own computer, so that it cannot get out of
my computer, this is done before going out on the Web to that link site.
Those are NOT Cookies, but are SPY programs.
Jack at Zap
stoutman wrote:
> I bought a new set (2-knives) of double edged planer knives (Delta) for my
> 12" Delta jointer for $30 at the BORG.
>
> I went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50 to
> get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy I just
> bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are disposable!"
>
> I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and this is
> what I came up with:
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
>
> Scroll to the bottom and let me know what you think.
>
> I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
> keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
>
Oy vey!! It's time to double the dose dude!
Here is the information I have collected on you to date:
You are a white male that lives alone.
You seldom go outside and have very few friends.
You think a "cookie" is a "program".
Your computer is the only one you really "trust".
You look at porn on a daily basis.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:150420061858352381%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, zap
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You may have the world's best sharpening jig ever invented, BUT, I am
>> never going to see it because your web site is trying to put on my
>> computer a program from "www.statcounter.com" which is a "SPY AD", and
>> refuses to let me see your web page "www.garagewoodworks.com" unless I
>> allow you to put that Spy program on my computer, This I will not allow,
>> so I guess that I will never see your greatest invention.
>
> Huh. I get no such alert, can see his site just fine, and there's no
> spyware on my Mac.
>
> Oops. Did I say "Mac"?
I think this Zap guy could benefit from a little Prozac!
In an attempt to avoid any further confusion from people regarding my
website I have removed the StatCounter web site statistical tracking code.
Although, I think they are a legitimate operation and do not use spyware
(www.statcounter.com), I am doing this anyway.
--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)
No my friend, I will NOT Trust you to put that program on my computer. I
don't care what YOU call it. It is still Spy ware! I keep my list
updated from sources which keep track of who is spy ware, who is ad ware.
My own web site collects all kinds of information about the accessing of
my Domain web site, all the statistics, without my putting any kind of
additional hidden program on their computers. As the web master and
owner, I don't need to use hidden secret programs.
If you were not trying to hide what you are doing, you could have put a
timeout so that it could be bypassed, as many other web sites do.
My friend, I will keep that foil under my hat, and even wrap myself in
it. But I will not let anyone steal MY information from off of MY
Computer. And anyone who thinks that choosing No Scripts will stop a
"program" from running on their computer, will one day find out the hard
way. While No Scripts can block Ads incorporated in a web display, it
will not stop a Program, and you just proved it because you accepted his
secret hidden program being put on your computer, for that was the only
way that you could possibly see what he had on his web site.
What I wanted to do was to look at your site, but you will NOT LET ME,
unless I agree to take YOUR secret Hidden file. Something is rotten there.
Those of you who welcome all those hidden programs places put on your
computer, you are welcome to them. If I have to take a secret hidden
program, to look at your web site, then you can keep your web site and
go on and con someone else.
Go on and have fun, this is my last word on it. Make fun if you want,
it's your problem after you have been warned. do you really think that
his is the only web site which is stealing information from your
computers? Never mind, just put your head back in the sand, what you do
not see ?????
Zap
stoutman wrote:
> "zap" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hi there my friend,
>
>
> Hi there my confused friend! It's NOT spyware. It is a web based website
> statistical hit tracker!!
>
> I have no interest in putting Spyware on your computer. Trust me.
>
> You need to relax a little my friend. No one is out to get you! You can
> remove the aluminum foil from under your cap also! :)
>
>
>
>
Just an idea Stoutman,=20
Firstly, I'm having trouble visualising the whole jig you constructed, =
despite your pic in the pics group. How about countersinking the screws =
in some way? Is that possible without compromising your design or it's =
usefulness? As I mentioned, I'm sorta thinking out loud here.
John
--=20
Remove 'spamfree' to reply
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> stoutman wrote:
>> > BTW - The jig is a good idea, but doesn't the screw head ware,
>> > changing the bevel angle?
>> >
>>
>> yes, it is a design flaw. As the screw head wares the bevel angle
>> changes.
>> I think I have two options:
>>
>> 1) Create a 'run way' for the screw with tape or inverted sandpaper as
>> others have suggested or:
>> 2) Use a tail on the jig that projects the screw off of the sandpaper.
>>
>> I couldn't be pleased more with it's performance so far.
>>
>> I'm just waiting for Lee Valley to make one out of metal and send me the
>> prototype for free! :)
>
> heh. isn't this a two knife machine? make your jig hold both knives at
> the same time, with enough spread between the edges that it stays
> stable on the abrasive sheet.... no screw head involved...
>
Not a bad idea! Making the bevel angle adjustable might be tricky. When
you cut out the block of wood that holds both knives, you will have to get
it right on both sides. Could be tricky (at least for me.).
--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)
> Sounds like a good idea IF you can adjust blade cutting depth in the
> cutter
> head after sharpening. Having never had a disposable blade planer I don't
> know if this is possible or not. The only problem I see would be if the
> blades would eventually not take cuts as deep as you would like with out
> having to readjust the in feed or out feed which would probablbly be more
> trouble that it is worth. But keep us posted at to how that works out
> for you when planing and how many times you can resharpen.
>
The planer blades are set on top of springs. A knife setting jig came with
the planer (TP300) that pushes the knifes against springs as it contacts the
blade and the cutter head, which always gives the same amount of knife
cutting depth.
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:5rY%[email protected]...
>I bought a new set (2-knives) of double edged planer knives (Delta) for my
>12" Delta jointer for $30 at the BORG.
>
> I went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50
> to get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy I
> just bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are
> disposable!"
>
> I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and this
> is what I came up with:
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
>
> Scroll to the bottom and let me know what you think.
>
> I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
> keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
Sounds like a good idea IF you can adjust blade cutting depth in the cutter
head after sharpening. Having never had a disposable blade planer I don't
know if this is possible or not. The only problem I see would be if the
blades would eventually not take cuts as deep as you would like with out
having to readjust the in feed or out feed which would probablbly be more
trouble that it is worth. But keep us posted at to how that works out for
you when planing and how many times you can resharpen.
> BTW - The jig is a good idea, but doesn't the screw head ware,
> changing the bevel angle?
>
yes, it is a design flaw. As the screw head wares the bevel angle changes.
I think I have two options:
1) Create a 'run way' for the screw with tape or inverted sandpaper as
others have suggested or:
2) Use a tail on the jig that projects the screw off of the sandpaper.
I couldn't be pleased more with it's performance so far.
I'm just waiting for Lee Valley to make one out of metal and send me the
prototype for free! :)
John (aka wheelzuk) wrote:
> Just an idea Stoutman,
>
> Firstly, I'm having trouble visualising the whole jig you constructed, despite your pic in the pics group. How about countersinking the screws in some way? Is that possible without compromising your design or it's usefulness? As I mentioned, I'm sorta thinking out loud here.
>
>
I'm not Stoutman but the problem is this: The blade and jig has TWO
bearing points that are riding on the abrasive: The blade edge being
sharpened and the round head of the screw.
The screw is used to set the angle at which the planer blade meets the
abrasive.
There are any number of workarounds to move this bearing point either
away from the abrasive or replacing it with something that will roll and
yet still set the angle and be adjustable but countersinking the screw
he's referring to isn't one of them<g>
"Mike in Arkansas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Now if they just made 'legal size' sand paper :)
How wide are the blades? I believe they make sandpaper in rolls.
>
> I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and this
is
> what I came up with:
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
>
I did something very similar last month. I'll post a picture of my jig on
ABPW.
I have been underwhelmed by the quality of sharpening that my local guy does
so I came up with this. It certainly but a nice microbevel on all of my
spares. It remains to be seen if it can replace a complete regrind job, but
I'm pleased as punch that I was able to build the jig and sharpen 3 pair of
planer knives and a set of jointer knives in a couple hours with about $2.50
invested in abrasives.
Stout,
If you look at my design, I think you can adapt it solve your screw problem.
I just let then handle part ride on the table. To get the bevel angle right,
I just had to experiment with the bevel in the back of the knife-holding jig
and the length of the handle.
Cheers,
Steve
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-- "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Unless he has a model that I've never seen, the cutters in a Delta planer
> are located by pins and are not adjustable. If one knife is ground shorter
> than another, only the high one will cut. Any taper ground into them will
> transfer to the work being planed.
>
See my response to Leon. I have one you haven't seen I guess. :)
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:11:38 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
>> keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
>
>
>Sounds like a good idea IF you can adjust blade cutting depth in the cutter
>head after sharpening.
Simple. Magnets keep my blades to the proper eight wile tightening
into place.
I'd make another suggestion though ....instead of two nails, a routed
rabit on the leading edge, deep enough to be a stop for the blade.
Also, just put some adhesive tape over the range the screw would
travel, so that it doesn't contact the emery paper.
I saw a guy had a similar jig, with the groove cut as I described to
stop the blade, and two tightening wheels, using another piece of wood
to hold the lade into place. He then went to the grinder, not an
emery cloth. He had a guide set up on the grinder, and did it all the
time. It took a few seconds for to run the blade back and forth. I'd
have to screw up a few before I got to be as good as him though.
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message news:5rY%[email protected]...
>I bought a new set (2-knives) of double edged planer knives (Delta) for my
>12" Delta jointer for $30 at the BORG.
>
> I went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50
> to get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy I
> just bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are
> disposable!"
>
> I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and this
> is what I came up with:
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
>
> Scroll to the bottom and let me know what you think.
>
> I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
> keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
Put a strip of sandpaper face down under the screw. If the screw wears out
the back of that piece of sandpaper, glue the strip to a thin piece of metal
and adjust to compensate.
- Owen -
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:58:25 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
> went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50 to
>get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy I just
>bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are disposable!"
The 12" HSS blades on the Delta planers are disposable. As to whether
you can resharpen them good luck.
Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:58:25 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way to
>keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
Replace it with a caster set into a hinged block. Use the screw to
adjust the angle of the caster (and thus the angle of the blade).
Or not ... it's your choice. :-)
I clamp a straightedge to my belt sander, set the table to the angle
and take a couple passes. Not as pretty of an edge has you get, but
it's only a planer knife and not the final step in the finishing
process.
BTW, for those who despise cheap tools, I got my belt sander free. It
looks nice sitting on top of my <$40, .3 micron air filter next to my
HF 1/2 ton arbor press / pen press and my salvaged bench grinder.
Bill
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:Ux_%[email protected]...
>
>>
>
> The planer blades are set on top of springs. A knife setting jig came
> with the planer (TP300) that pushes the knifes against springs as it
> contacts the blade and the cutter head, which always gives the same amount
> of knife cutting depth.
Then you should be in good shape. I know some of the disposables simply fit
on to indexing pins and allow for right to left movement but do not allow
for depth adjustment.
"zap" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi there my friend,
Hi there my confused friend! It's NOT spyware. It is a web based website
statistical hit tracker!!
I have no interest in putting Spyware on your computer. Trust me.
You need to relax a little my friend. No one is out to get you! You can
remove the aluminum foil from under your cap also! :)
Unless he has a model that I've never seen, the cutters in a Delta planer
are located by pins and are not adjustable. If one knife is ground shorter
than another, only the high one will cut. Any taper ground into them will
transfer to the work being planed.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_n_%[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:5rY%[email protected]...
> >I bought a new set (2-knives) of double edged planer knives (Delta) for
my
> >12" Delta jointer for $30 at the BORG.
> >
> > I went to get my old set sharpened and was told it would cost around $50
> > to get them sharpened on both sides for the set of two. I told the guy
I
> > just bought a new set for $30 and he said "Well I guys yours are
> > disposable!"
> >
> > I left and decided that I would figure out a way to do it myself and
this
> > is what I came up with:
> >
> > http://www.garagewoodworks.com/jigsfixtures.htm
> >
> > Scroll to the bottom and let me know what you think.
> >
> > I tried it tonight and it worked ok. I just need to come up with a way
to
> > keep the metal screw that contacts the sand paper from eroding!
>
>
> Sounds like a good idea IF you can adjust blade cutting depth in the
cutter
> head after sharpening. Having never had a disposable blade planer I don't
> know if this is possible or not. The only problem I see would be if the
> blades would eventually not take cuts as deep as you would like with out
> having to readjust the in feed or out feed which would probablbly be more
> trouble that it is worth. But keep us posted at to how that works out
for
> you when planing and how many times you can resharpen.
>
>
Yep, saw it.
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> -- "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Unless he has a model that I've never seen, the cutters in a Delta
planer
> > are located by pins and are not adjustable. If one knife is ground
shorter
> > than another, only the high one will cut. Any taper ground into them
will
> > transfer to the work being planed.
> >
>
> See my response to Leon. I have one you haven't seen I guess. :)
>
>