Pocket-hole question.

I must have pissed him off ,Dave.LOL!
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> interesting. FOW's message you just quoted doesn't appear on my NG
> server.
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
>

No pilot holes... use a "little glue" and drive the screws.

I would strongly recommend using a "hand driver" until you get
the idea of how much drill torque to use. By "over drilling",
you can actually "spin out" the screws. Long square drives
work the very best. I like to use a 6" at a minimum.

If you don't like to "hand drive" just remember to take it
easy on the driving process and set the clutch to a very light
setting.

Practice,practive,practice....(on scraps)





BeerBoy wrote:

> Hi there,
> I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
> the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
> splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
> accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
> screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
> Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> Thanks.
>

They even plonked him from the server? :)
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> interesting. FOW's message you just quoted doesn't appear on my NG
> server.
> dave
>
> CW wrote:
>
>

I'm new at this and have only done projects with maple, oak and poplar,
so far. I haven't had any problems with splitting of oak face frames
when pocket holing, and those suckers are a LOT smaller than 3 1/2 legs,
so I assumed oak MAYBE is less prone to splitting than other hardwoods.
From what you are saying, I'm wrong on that score.

dave

dave

Al Palmer wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Al, his are oak...
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Al Palmer wrote:
>
> The ash worked a lot like oak in my experience.
>
>
>
>
>>>I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
>>>found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail to
>>>them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes. Had
>>>no problems after that.
>>>
>>>
>>>In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
>>>says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
>>>>the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
>>>>splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
>>>>accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
>>>>screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
>>>>Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

interesting. FOW's message you just quoted doesn't appear on my NG
server.
dave

CW wrote:

I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail to
them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes. Had
no problems after that.


In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
says...
> Hi there,
> I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
> the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
> splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
> accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
> screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
> Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> Thanks.
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Al, his are oak...
>
> dave
>
> Al Palmer wrote:
The ash worked a lot like oak in my experience.



> > I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
> > found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail to
> > them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes. Had
> > no problems after that.
> >
> >
> > In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
> > says...
> >
> >>Hi there,
> >>I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
> >>the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
> >>splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
> >>accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
> >>screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
> >>Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> >>Thanks.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Strike two. Plonk. You don't deserve three.

"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sounds like your wood is too DRY or you a re driving them in too much. Try
> some wax on the threads of the screws. I use spit or soap on the screws .
> Some in this group are so ANAL, that they say not to use soap or spit.
> I've been doing soap and spit longer than most fools here have been alive.
> They say it makes things rust or introduces added moisture into the wood.
> What a joke !
> Try Mc' Feelys for screw lube if your that hard up.
> Pocket Screw's are for production type work, not REAL wood workin.
> IMHO..................I see the flame's a coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm new at this and have only done projects with maple, oak and poplar,
> > so far. I haven't had any problems with splitting of oak face frames
> > when pocket holing, and those suckers are a LOT smaller than 3 1/2 legs,
> > so I assumed oak MAYBE is less prone to splitting than other hardwoods.
> > From what you are saying, I'm wrong on that score.
> >
> > dave
> >
> > dave
> >
> > Al Palmer wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] says...
> > >
> > >>Al, his are oak...
> > >>
> > >>dave
> > >>
> > >>Al Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > The ash worked a lot like oak in my experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
> > >>>found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail
> to
> > >>>them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes.
> Had
> > >>>no problems after that.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
> > >>>says...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Hi there,
> > >>>>I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table
> skirt to
> > >>>>the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any
danger
> of
> > >>>>splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I
can
> > >>>>accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg.
> The
> > >>>>screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good
> enough?
> > >>>>Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> > >>>>Thanks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>

Al, his are oak...

dave

Al Palmer wrote:

> I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
> found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail to
> them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes. Had
> no problems after that.
>
>
> In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
> says...
>
>>Hi there,
>>I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
>>the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
>>splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
>>accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
>>screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
>>Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
>>Thanks.
>>
>>

Sounds like your wood is too DRY or you a re driving them in too much. Try
some wax on the threads of the screws. I use spit or soap on the screws .
Some in this group are so ANAL, that they say not to use soap or spit.
I've been doing soap and spit longer than most fools here have been alive.
They say it makes things rust or introduces added moisture into the wood.
What a joke !
Try Mc' Feelys for screw lube if your that hard up.
Pocket Screw's are for production type work, not REAL wood workin.
IMHO..................I see the flame's a coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm new at this and have only done projects with maple, oak and poplar,
> so far. I haven't had any problems with splitting of oak face frames
> when pocket holing, and those suckers are a LOT smaller than 3 1/2 legs,
> so I assumed oak MAYBE is less prone to splitting than other hardwoods.
> From what you are saying, I'm wrong on that score.
>
> dave
>
> dave
>
> Al Palmer wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> >
> >>Al, his are oak...
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Al Palmer wrote:
> >
> > The ash worked a lot like oak in my experience.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>I just finished using some pocket holes in an ash bedside stand. I
> >>>found that the screws did split our the legs when I fastened the rail
to
> >>>them. I used an appropriately sized drill and drilled pilot holes.
Had
> >>>no problems after that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In article <WMOCb.694673$6C4.26195@pd7tw1no>, [email protected]
> >>>says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi there,
> >>>>I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table
skirt to
> >>>>the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger
of
> >>>>splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
> >>>>accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg.
The
> >>>>screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good
enough?
> >>>>Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> >>>>Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>

the Kreg screws do NOT need to have pilot holes. fine thread for
hardwoods and coarse for ply and softwoods. GO FOR IT! You won't need
to bother with waxing them, but it isn't gonna mess you up if you do.
That Kreg system is SWEET!

dave

BeerBoy wrote:

> Hi there,
> I just got a Kreg pocket hole jig and am using it to attach a table skirt to
> the table legs. The legs are 3 1/2" square oak. Is there any danger of
> splitting the legs when I drive the screws in? I don't know if I can
> accurately drill a pilot hole through the pocket and into the leg. The
> screws are fine thread and supposedly self tapping so is this good enough?
> Maybe some wax on the screws? Any tips or ideas?
> Thanks.
>