On 1/31/2013 7:13 PM, j Burns wrote:
> On 1/31/13 9:51 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/27/2013 1:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> I've gotten a few emails from people who own similar tools and who say
>>> it is a distributor wrench, as well as people posting here in the
>>> newsgroups who have said the same, so I went ahead and changed my answer
>>> identifying it as such. I'm still waiting to hear back from Thorsen,
>>> and will be happy to change my answer if they or anyone else has
>>> evidence to the contrary.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>
>> Rob way back when I used distributor wrenches they always had 2 bends
>> and or a bend with an end to place a ratchet which would create the
>> second bend. The distributor wrench has to bend to reach under the
>> distributor and bend again to give you leverage to turn it.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=distributor+wrench&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OoMKUfeiIZLqqAHxmYD4Aw&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=1333&bih=679
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out these wrenches, samples of each.
>>
>> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79794
>>
>>
> If I read you correctly, I'm not the only one who wants to bet on a
> different horse. The right leg of the Cornwell starter motor wrench
> looks functionally identical to Rob's.
LOL, Yeah! I am not saying what it is but am saying what it isn't. ;~)
I think you would be hard pressed snaking that thing to the bottom
side of a distributor.
It very well could be a specialized tool as some have indicated, perhaps
not offered to the general public. Thorsen has been around a long time
and they may have been an automobile manufacturer tool supplier.
Dealerships get a highly specialized set of tools every year with the
introduction of a new model year. GM used to use Kent tools to
manufacture the special tools.
>
> 1. 5/8"
> 2. 8" shaft
> 3. able to fit within a cylinder wall only 3/4" from the hex head
> 4. handle bends in same direction as box
>
> The age looks similar to me.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
On 1/27/2013 1:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> I've gotten a few emails from people who own similar tools and who say
> it is a distributor wrench, as well as people posting here in the
> newsgroups who have said the same, so I went ahead and changed my answer
> identifying it as such. I'm still waiting to hear back from Thorsen,
> and will be happy to change my answer if they or anyone else has
> evidence to the contrary.
>
> Rob
Rob way back when I used distributor wrenches they always had 2 bends
and or a bend with an end to place a ratchet which would create the
second bend. The distributor wrench has to bend to reach under the
distributor and bend again to give you leverage to turn it.
http://www.google.com/search?q=distributor+wrench&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OoMKUfeiIZLqqAHxmYD4Aw&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=1333&bih=679
Check out these wrenches, samples of each.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79794
On 1/31/2013 8:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> And the tracks would have to be min of 14 foot 6 inches over the ground, so
> semi trailers with CB antenna could pass under?
Howsomever, the first time they built it it would be constructed exactly
9.9873" too short.
Government: Always time (and OPM) to do it over. Getting it right the
first time raises the expectations of folks to unrealistic standards!
2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got to see
cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
2780, something similar was posted, years ago. IIRC, this is an eel
fisherman's tool, it clamps onto an eel swimming below the surface of the
wayer. It's spring loaded, and looks a bit nasty.
2781, no clue.
2782, some kind of saw. Beyond that, no clue.
2783, probably some kind of rope rigging device. Ask a sailor.
2784. Hope you find out. I'm not much help this week.
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> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
"Rob H." <[email protected]> writes:
>This week's set has been posted:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
2776 - Perhaps a Gas Sconce
Oh, man, weisenheimers. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
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"j Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
> 2778: I _thought_ it looked awfully familiar... Now I remember. It was
> used for marking thin sheets manufactured from wood pulp. I used to own
> one!
>
>
I thought it might be a distributor wrench, but when I enlarged it I
noticed the pocket clip, just like mine!
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> Anyway -- this (the "virtual cattle guard) reenforces my opinion
> of the mental level of cattle. In South Texas, cattle are normally
> wattered from a tank (a large tapered swimming pool bulldozed in the
> land) but in periods of drought, these can evaporate down to almost
> nothing, and that is when a "pear burner" is brought out. A blowtorch
> with the head remoted from the fuel tane which is worn on the back, and
> is used to burn the needles of the ubiquitous prickley pear cactus. The
> big thick "leaves" are full of water, and the cattle will happily chown
> down on these for water. Fine, until the rains return, and the cattle
> keep eating the prickley pear -- at least until a new growth of thorns
> come out, and they get a mouthfull of thorns. Then they finally
> remember why they don't normally eat the prickley pear. :-)
So even cows are smarter than the trolls on this newsgroup? :-)
By gosh, I think he's got it!
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On 1/31/2013 8:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> And the tracks would have to be min of 14 foot 6 inches over the ground,
> so
> semi trailers with CB antenna could pass under?
Howsomever, the first time they built it it would be constructed exactly
9.9873" too short.
Government: Always time (and OPM) to do it over. Getting it right the
first time raises the expectations of folks to unrealistic standards!
Alexander Thesoso:
> 2773 Just has to be a work of art.
Or a prop for a movie fantasy... which, of course, would also count as
a work of art.
> 2775 I see that several people have said 'valve key'. In the 1964 Burt
> Lancaster movie, "The Train", he uses a tool exactly like this to undo
> the track fastening bolts on a WWII french railroad line.
I'm going from memory here, but I say not exactly. In the movie,
the bolts in the track have hexagonal heads, and the business end
of the tool is like the socket you'd find on a socket wrech.
--
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Toronto | "Duh."
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2773
2774 Golf club mailer / airplane shipper??
2775 Water shut off / turn on wrench.
2776
2777 Part of a coffee grinder??
2778 All I can find is this: THORSEN TOOL Co. Est. in 1926, THORSEN
specializes in the following brands.....
On 1/24/2013 4:36 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
On 1/31/2013 9:29 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> So, maybe that's the assembly at the rail road tracks?
Absolutely! Trains have to cross those fence lines too. Now in
Washington DC they would build a rail road trestle over that barbed wire
fence. ;~)
>
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> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
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> On 1/31/2013 7:13 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> 2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got to
>> see
>> cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
>> http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
>> Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
>>
>>
> LOL Cattle guards are very common in Texas. Mostly used in place of a
> gate when there may be a number of vehicles that often need to cross
> a fenced line. Not uncommon at all to see one cross a county road.
>
>
On 1/24/2013 4:12 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
> "Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 1/24/2013 2:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2775, A water valve 'key'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
>> Brake bleeders are 3/8 or 7/16, this looks like 9/16 or 1/2"
>
>
> The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
> distributor wrenches?
I cant imagine a reason for both ends being the same sized, I highly
suspect a mismeasurement.
j Burns wrote:
> On 1/26/13 4:59 PM, j Burns wrote:
>> On 1/26/13 1:03 PM, usablevirus wrote:
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> scribbled:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to
>>>>> turn a wrench several inches above.
>>>>
>>>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>>>> changed my answer to:
>>>>
>>>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this
>>>> wrench" Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> could it be a spark plug wrench. spark plugs are 5/8"
>>>
>> I like the image of a hexagon in a well, like some spark plugs! There
>> must have been a need for spark plugs or fasteners in wells
>> before they had socket sets. A wrench like the mystery item would
>> have been the solution.
>>
>> It reminds me of situations with a 3/8" ratchet and a 6" extension
>> where I switched to a ratchet with smaller teeth because I couldn't
>> move the handle very far at all. The alternative would have been a
>> wrench like the mystery item, with two 12-point boxes. Once the
>> fastener was untorqued, a tool to spin it out would have been a lot
>> quicker.
>
> Correction: socket sets wouldn't have made this wrench obsolete. Until
> ratchet drives had enough teeth and little enough backlash to
> click on a 15-degree swing, a wrench like this may sometimes have
> been necessary.
> My usual ratchet seems to have 44 teeth. Because of backlash, it
> takes about 15 degrees to get a click. I switch ratchets when I
> don't have room or 15 degrees.
Air ratchets are very reasonably priced at all kinds of places . I love
mine , cost me a whole 40 bucks at Walmart about 5 or 6 years ago .
--
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you young !
2777 Magnetic stirrer. WW
"Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...
This week's set has been posted:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Rob
Thanks for telling me that you know my
life better than I know it. Hey, what did I
have for breakfast?
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> Brake bleeders typically 3/16 inch, and typically out in the open.
Noooo.... 10mm om most small foriegn cars, 7/16 or 1/2" on most older
domestic models. 10mm or 12mm on most modern metricized US cars.
And I guess you haven't worked on many different cars. The brake bleeder
fitting is often stuck up around where a control arm connects, or is
hidden in a stiffening pocket in the brake dust cover. A lot of them are
not easy to get to, at all!
LLoyd
So, maybe that's the assembly at the rail road tracks?
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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
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On 1/31/2013 7:13 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> 2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got to
> see
> cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
> http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
> Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
>
>
LOL Cattle guards are very common in Texas. Mostly used in place of a
gate when there may be a number of vehicles that often need to cross
a fenced line. Not uncommon at all to see one cross a county road.
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> Brake bleeders typically 3/16 inch, and typically out in the open.
Noooo.... 10mm om most small foriegn cars, 7/16 or 1/2" on most older
domestic models. 10mm or 12mm on most modern metricized US cars.
And I guess you haven't worked on many different cars. The brake bleeder
fitting is often stuck up around where a control arm connects, or is
hidden in a stiffening pocket in the brake dust cover. A lot of them are
not easy to get to, at all!
LLoyd
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> Hey, what did I
> have for breakfast?
>
crow.
LLoyd
"Rob H." <[email protected]> scribbled:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
>>> week.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>> wrench several inches above.
>
> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
> changed my answer to:
>
> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>
> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>
>
could it be a spark plug wrench. spark plugs are 5/8"
j Burns <[email protected]> scribbled:
> On 1/25/13 6:52 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
week.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>>> wrench several inches above.
>>>
>>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>>> changed my answer to:
>>>
>>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>>
>>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>>
>>
>> I just sent Thorsen Tool Co. an email asking about the wrench, with
any
>> luck they will provide the answer.
>
> I've found something similar.
> http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
>
> Fourth item from the bottom. It has only one box, so you'd need room
to
> swing the handle 30 degrees.
>
> *********
>
> Fig. 93 shows a Cornwell [BW]94 5/8 specialty box wrench for starter
> motor applications, stamped "11 Cornwell" and "94" on the shank.
>
> The overall length is 10.2 inches, and the finish is plain steel, with
> extensive pitting due to rust.
>
> The Cornwell catalog 21A of 1941 provides our earliest catalog
reference
> for this model, where it is listed as a BW94 starter motor wrench,
> recommended for Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Chrysler applications. The
> catalog also notes its use for holding the eccentric bolt on 1939
> Chevrolet steering systems.
>
> The markings on this example suggest a mid 1930s origin, in particular
> the use of the "94" model number without the "BW" prefix, and the lack
> of a "USA" marking.
>
I found a few more similar ones
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-M1318-M1322-obstruction-distributor-
wrench-set-lot-2-/170977946020?hash=item27cf1469a4&item=170977946020
&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAC-S98-S67-3-4-obstruction-distributor-wrench-
set-lot-2-/170977940210?hash=item27cf1452f2&item=170977940210
&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
apparently it is some sort of obstruction wrench for working around
starters, distributers, etc...
Gunner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>>> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>>>
>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&c
>>>lient=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm
>>>=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280
>>>&bih=870>
>
> On 5 Feb 2013 03:30:07 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>> Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
>>font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it
>>into a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click
>>on the URL. :-)
>
> Sorry about that. I dont know of a good way to present the massed
> results of a google search. Any suggestions?
>
>
Google web search:
<http://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard>
Google image search:
<http://www.google.com/images?q=western+cattle+guard>
(cut everything after ? except from q= upto but not including the next and
strip https URLs back to http.)
Sanitizing your google URLs also prevents leakage of personal information
and easy profiling based on who clicks your URLs.
HTH
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Ian Malcolm <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Gunner <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>>> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>>>>
>>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&
>>>>c
>>>>lient=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tb
>>>>m
>>>>=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=128
>>>>0 &bih=870>
>>
>> On 5 Feb 2013 03:30:07 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>>> Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
>>>font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it
>>>into a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click
>>>on the URL. :-)
>>
>> Sorry about that. I dont know of a good way to present the massed
>> results of a google search. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
> Google web search:
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard>
>
> Google image search:
> <http://www.google.com/images?q=western+cattle+guard>
>
> (cut everything after ? except from q= upto but not including the next
> and strip https URLs back to http.)
... not including the next ampersand '&' and strip ...
>
> Sanitizing your google URLs also prevents leakage of personal
> information and easy profiling based on who clicks your URLs.
> HTH
>
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Brake bleeders typically 3/16 inch, and typically out in the open. The
brakes I've bled used either a common box wrench, or socket wrench. No need
for the offset.
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>
I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
IIRC, my old Dodge Dart was 1/2 inch.
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
distributor wrenches?
In January, we were looking at this item in set 477:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%2015/pic2775.jpg
which shows a valve key for turning off a water supply.
And Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>> In the 1964 Burt Lancaster movie, "The Train", he uses a tool
>> exactly like this to undo the track fastening bolts on a WWII
>> french railroad line.
And I (Mark Brader) wrote:
> I'm going from memory here, but I say not exactly. In the movie,
> the bolts in the track have hexagonal heads, and the business end
> of the tool is like the socket you'd find on a socket wrech.
Having now seen the scene again, I was almost right. The tool that
Labiche (Burt Lancaster) uses does have a socket like a socket wrench.
But the heads of the track bolts aren't hexagonal; they're square.
But because they're square, a tool like the valve key, bearing on only
two sides of the head, would also work.
And there's another scene where we see the bolts being turned -- that's
a little earlier, where Labiche blows up a bit of track and the Germans
patch it by moving a rail from behind the train. And the tool *they*
use does have a head something like the valve key. (I picked exactly
the wrong moment to walk away from the TV and locate the image from
set 477, so i can't say if it was exactly the same, but it certainly
was something like it.)
Now you know.
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 13:36:41 +0000 (UTC), Ian Malcolm
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gunner <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>>> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>>>>
>>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&c
>>>>lient=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm
>>>>=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280
>>>>&bih=870>
>>
>> On 5 Feb 2013 03:30:07 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>>> Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
>>>font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it
>>>into a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click
>>>on the URL. :-)
>>
>> Sorry about that. I dont know of a good way to present the massed
>> results of a google search. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>Google web search:
><http://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard>
>
>Google image search:
><http://www.google.com/images?q=western+cattle+guard>
>
>(cut everything after ? except from q= upto but not including the next and
>strip https URLs back to http.)
>
>Sanitizing your google URLs also prevents leakage of personal information
>and easy profiling based on who clicks your URLs.
>HTH
Many thanks!! Noted!
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
2773, medeival battle shield.
2774, trombone case.
2775 "curb key" shut off valve for utility workers.
2776, totally no clue.
2777, totally no clue.
2778, looks a little like the distributor wrench I used in the 1980s.
Similar, but not exactly. I may still have the old wrench, if you want me to
check and send pictures. I needed it for my 1974 Dodge Dart, with a 318 cid
engine. Have you called auto parts store? Thorsen might be the brand I've
got.
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This week's set has been posted:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Rob
2773 Just has to be a work of art.
2774 Is obviously a shipping case, probably for a musical instrument.
2775 I see that several people have said 'valve key'. In the 1964 Burt
Lancaster movie, "The Train", he uses a tool exactly like this to undo
the track fastening bolts on a WWII french railroad line.
2776 Fasces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
Symbol of power, historically used by Romans, and Italian WWII and
pre-war Fascists.
On 1/24/2013 4:36 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
2744 - travel case for golf clubs
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Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2773 - What you get when an overzealous armorer decides your plate armor
just isn't heavy enough.... (it's a lantern shield, with a retractable
sword blade)
2774 - Travel case. Possibly for lights?
2775 - Water valve shut off tool.
2776 -
2777 -
2778 - Sold as a water pump/starter wrench originally.
--
Steve W.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2776
Iconographically it is a "fasces", an ancient roman symbol that became the
symbol of the Mussoloni's Fascist party.
I don't know why it was filled with sand, but it is more than likely that it
was finial off of some flag pole and brought back as a souvenir from WWII.
Paul K. Dickman
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
> 2744 - travel case for golf clubs
This answer is correct.
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/24/2013 2:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2775, A water valve 'key'.
>>
>>
>> Correct
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
> Brake bleeders are 3/8 or 7/16, this looks like 9/16 or 1/2"
The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
distributor wrenches?
>> Correct
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
> Nope, it's a distributor wrench..
I'm going to go with this answer for now, I haven't been able to find
another one just like it on the web. The rest of the answers for this week
can be seen here:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
Rob
On 1/25/13 4:31 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Still looks like a distributor wrench, to me.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "j Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On 1/24/13 4:36 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
> 2778: I _thought_ it looked awfully familiar... Now I remember. It was
> used for marking thin sheets manufactured from wood pulp. I used to own
> one!
>
>
I thought it might be a distributor wrench, but when I enlarged it I
noticed the pocket clip, just like mine!
On 1/25/13 5:46 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>>> Correct
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
>
>
>> Nope, it's a distributor wrench..
>
>
> I'm going to go with this answer for now, I haven't been able to find
> another one just like it on the web. The rest of the answers for this
> week can be seen here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>
> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
>
>
> Rob
With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations where
it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to imagine
something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a wrench
several inches above.
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
>>
>>
>> Rob
> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations where it
> could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to imagine something
> with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a wrench several inches
> above.
Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just changed my
answer to:
"Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations where
>> it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to imagine
>> something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a wrench
>> several inches above.
>
> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just changed
> my answer to:
>
> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>
> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>
I just sent Thorsen Tool Co. an email asking about the wrench, with any luck
they will provide the answer.
On 1/26/13 1:03 PM, usablevirus wrote:
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> scribbled:
>
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>> wrench several inches above.
>>
>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>> changed my answer to:
>>
>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>
>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>
>>
>
> could it be a spark plug wrench. spark plugs are 5/8"
>
I like the image of a hexagon in a well, like some spark plugs! There
must have been a need for spark plugs or fasteners in wells before they
had socket sets. A wrench like the mystery item would have been the
solution.
It reminds me of situations with a 3/8" ratchet and a 6" extension where
I switched to a ratchet with smaller teeth because I couldn't move the
handle very far at all. The alternative would have been a wrench like
the mystery item, with two 12-point boxes. Once the fastener was
untorqued, a tool to spin it out would have been a lot quicker.
On 1/26/13 4:59 PM, j Burns wrote:
> On 1/26/13 1:03 PM, usablevirus wrote:
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> scribbled:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
>>>>> week.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>>> wrench several inches above.
>>>
>>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>>> changed my answer to:
>>>
>>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>>
>>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> could it be a spark plug wrench. spark plugs are 5/8"
>>
> I like the image of a hexagon in a well, like some spark plugs! There
> must have been a need for spark plugs or fasteners in wells before they
> had socket sets. A wrench like the mystery item would have been the
> solution.
>
> It reminds me of situations with a 3/8" ratchet and a 6" extension where
> I switched to a ratchet with smaller teeth because I couldn't move the
> handle very far at all. The alternative would have been a wrench like
> the mystery item, with two 12-point boxes. Once the fastener was
> untorqued, a tool to spin it out would have been a lot quicker.
Correction: socket sets wouldn't have made this wrench obsolete. Until
ratchet drives had enough teeth and little enough backlash to click on a
15-degree swing, a wrench like this may sometimes have been necessary.
My usual ratchet seems to have 44 teeth. Because of backlash, it takes
about 15 degrees to get a click. I switch ratchets when I don't have
room or 15 degrees.
On 1/25/13 6:52 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>> wrench several inches above.
>>
>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>> changed my answer to:
>>
>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>
>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>
>
> I just sent Thorsen Tool Co. an email asking about the wrench, with any
> luck they will provide the answer.
I've found something similar.
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
Fourth item from the bottom. It has only one box, so you'd need room to
swing the handle 30 degrees.
*********
Fig. 93 shows a Cornwell [BW]94 5/8 specialty box wrench for starter
motor applications, stamped "11 Cornwell" and "94" on the shank.
The overall length is 10.2 inches, and the finish is plain steel, with
extensive pitting due to rust.
The Cornwell catalog 21A of 1941 provides our earliest catalog reference
for this model, where it is listed as a BW94 starter motor wrench,
recommended for Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Chrysler applications. The
catalog also notes its use for holding the eccentric bolt on 1939
Chevrolet steering systems.
The markings on this example suggest a mid 1930s origin, in particular
the use of the "94" model number without the "BW" prefix, and the lack
of a "USA" marking.
On 1/26/13 11:48 PM, usablevirus wrote:
> j Burns <[email protected]> scribbled:
>
>> On 1/25/13 6:52 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>
>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
> week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>>>> wrench several inches above.
>>>>
>>>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>>>> changed my answer to:
>>>>
>>>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just sent Thorsen Tool Co. an email asking about the wrench, with
> any
>>> luck they will provide the answer.
>>
>> I've found something similar.
>> http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
>>
>> Fourth item from the bottom. It has only one box, so you'd need room
> to
>> swing the handle 30 degrees.
>>
>> *********
>>
>> Fig. 93 shows a Cornwell [BW]94 5/8 specialty box wrench for starter
>> motor applications, stamped "11 Cornwell" and "94" on the shank.
>>
>> The overall length is 10.2 inches, and the finish is plain steel, with
>> extensive pitting due to rust.
>>
>> The Cornwell catalog 21A of 1941 provides our earliest catalog
> reference
>> for this model, where it is listed as a BW94 starter motor wrench,
>> recommended for Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Chrysler applications. The
>> catalog also notes its use for holding the eccentric bolt on 1939
>> Chevrolet steering systems.
>>
>> The markings on this example suggest a mid 1930s origin, in particular
>> the use of the "94" model number without the "BW" prefix, and the lack
>> of a "USA" marking.
>>
>
> I found a few more similar ones
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-M1318-M1322-obstruction-distributor-
> wrench-set-lot-2-/170977946020?hash=item27cf1469a4&item=170977946020
> &pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAC-S98-S67-3-4-obstruction-distributor-wrench-
> set-lot-2-/170977940210?hash=item27cf1452f2&item=170977940210
> &pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
>
> apparently it is some sort of obstruction wrench for working around
> starters, distributers, etc...
>
Wow! A 3/4" distributor wrench!
The Cornwell looks the same as the Thorsen in the size of the box, the
way it's on the same side of the shaft as the handle, and the length of
the shaft.
My theory that the Thorsen had two boxes for situations where there was
very little room to turn a wrench, has a weakness. If space were that
tight, you'd have to flip the wrench approximately 24 times per revolution.
On the Thorsen, the length of the arms looks different. Now I see that
the flattened sections look equally long, but the round sections look
quite different in length.
I believe the arms are of different lengths. I think it was designed to
work on more models than the Cornwell. It would be analogous to a
cruciform lug wrench, designed to work on any car an independent
mechanic might encounter.
I've gotten a few emails from people who own similar tools and who say it is
a distributor wrench, as well as people posting here in the newsgroups who
have said the same, so I went ahead and changed my answer identifying it as
such. I'm still waiting to hear back from Thorsen, and will be happy to
change my answer if they or anyone else has evidence to the contrary.
Rob
On 1/31/2013 4:28 AM, Bluey69 wrote:
> On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2779 is a grid to stop animals walking along the rail line and getting
> past the fence line .
> Here is Australia they are commonly called cattle grids.They are used on
> roads as well as rail lines.
After staring at the picture for about 10 minutes, it became obvious to
me (that it was part of the fence!)
Bill
Sorry Bluey for the email message I accidentally directed your way.
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:30:52 -0600
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
<snip>
>> The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
>> distributor wrenches?
>
>
>I cant imagine a reason for both ends being the same sized, I highly
>suspect a mismeasurement.
I thought the same thing but if you study the image it looks like there
are two different lengths involved (shrug). Would like to have it in my
hands to verify though :)
The link that J. Burns posted is very similar but only has one box end:
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
That same site has reference to Thorsen catalogs here:
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/thorsen-manufacturing.html
Might be worth someone asking if they could check those catalogs for
said item...
--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On 1/31/13 9:51 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/27/2013 1:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> I've gotten a few emails from people who own similar tools and who say
>> it is a distributor wrench, as well as people posting here in the
>> newsgroups who have said the same, so I went ahead and changed my answer
>> identifying it as such. I'm still waiting to hear back from Thorsen,
>> and will be happy to change my answer if they or anyone else has
>> evidence to the contrary.
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> Rob way back when I used distributor wrenches they always had 2 bends
> and or a bend with an end to place a ratchet which would create the
> second bend. The distributor wrench has to bend to reach under the
> distributor and bend again to give you leverage to turn it.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=distributor+wrench&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OoMKUfeiIZLqqAHxmYD4Aw&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=1333&bih=679
>
>
> Check out these wrenches, samples of each.
>
> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79794
>
>
If I read you correctly, I'm not the only one who wants to bet on a
different horse. The right leg of the Cornwell starter motor wrench
looks functionally identical to Rob's.
1. 5/8"
2. 8" shaft
3. able to fit within a cylinder wall only 3/4" from the hex head
4. handle bends in same direction as box
The age looks similar to me.
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
On 1/31/13 9:30 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/24/2013 4:12 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> "Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 1/24/2013 2:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2775, A water valve 'key'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
>>> Brake bleeders are 3/8 or 7/16, this looks like 9/16 or 1/2"
>>
>>
>> The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
>> distributor wrenches?
>
>
> I cant imagine a reason for both ends being the same sized, I highly
> suspect a mismeasurement.
The shafts appear to be different lengths. One appears to be 8", like
Rob's. The other appears to be 9.5". Perhaps the shorter shaft
wouldn't reach the bolts in some starters, but with the longer shaft,
there was an obstruction in the way of the handle with some other cars.
On 1/31/13 9:14 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/31/2013 7:13 PM, j Burns wrote:
>> On 1/31/13 9:51 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/27/2013 1:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> I've gotten a few emails from people who own similar tools and who say
>>>> it is a distributor wrench, as well as people posting here in the
>>>> newsgroups who have said the same, so I went ahead and changed my
>>>> answer
>>>> identifying it as such. I'm still waiting to hear back from Thorsen,
>>>> and will be happy to change my answer if they or anyone else has
>>>> evidence to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob way back when I used distributor wrenches they always had 2 bends
>>> and or a bend with an end to place a ratchet which would create the
>>> second bend. The distributor wrench has to bend to reach under the
>>> distributor and bend again to give you leverage to turn it.
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=distributor+wrench&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OoMKUfeiIZLqqAHxmYD4Aw&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=1333&bih=679
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Check out these wrenches, samples of each.
>>>
>>> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79794
>>>
>>>
>> If I read you correctly, I'm not the only one who wants to bet on a
>> different horse. The right leg of the Cornwell starter motor wrench
>> looks functionally identical to Rob's.
>
> LOL, Yeah! I am not saying what it is but am saying what it isn't. ;~)
> I think you would be hard pressed snaking that thing to the bottom
> side of a distributor.
>
> It very well could be a specialized tool as some have indicated, perhaps
> not offered to the general public. Thorsen has been around a long time
> and they may have been an automobile manufacturer tool supplier.
> Dealerships get a highly specialized set of tools every year with the
> introduction of a new model year. GM used to use Kent tools to
> manufacture the special tools.
>
Your google images page showed me why some say it looks like a
distributor wrench, but it's not clear that any is identical to Rob's in
more than one of these ways:
>
>>
>> 1. 5/8"
>> 2. 8" shaft
>> 3. able to fit within a cylinder wall only 3/4" from the hex head
>> 4. handle bends in same direction as box
>>
The right leg of the Cornwell seems to be identical to Rob's in all four
ways. Call me Mister Common Sense, but I say (at the risk of being sued
for plagiarism), "when I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims
like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck."
On 5 Feb 2013 03:30:07 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2013-02-04, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:05:38 -0000, "Stanley Daniel de Liver"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:26:04 -0000, DoN. Nichols
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>>>> In South Texas, I knew them as "cattle guards", and I normally
>>>> saw them on normal roadways which needed frequent traffic, thus
>>>> eliminating having to open and close each gate as you drove through.
>>>>
>>>> In the standard road implementation, the bars are pipes at right
>>>> angles to the road instead of parallel to it here as is forced by the
>>>> direction of the rails. Here, the bars appear to be triangular, making
>>>> it harder to balance a hoof on the top surface.
>>>>
>>>A British single track road cattle grid
>>>http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1566519
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>>
>><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=870>
>
> Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
>font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it into
>a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click on
>the URL. :-)
Sorry about that. I dont know of a good way to present the massed
results of a google search. Any suggestions?
>
> Anyway -- this (the "virtual cattle guard) reenforces my opinion
>of the mental level of cattle. In South Texas, cattle are normally
>wattered from a tank (a large tapered swimming pool bulldozed in the
>land) but in periods of drought, these can evaporate down to almost
>nothing, and that is when a "pear burner" is brought out. A blowtorch
>with the head remoted from the fuel tane which is worn on the back, and
>is used to burn the needles of the ubiquitous prickley pear cactus. The
>big thick "leaves" are full of water, and the cattle will happily chown
>down on these for water. Fine, until the rains return, and the cattle
>keep eating the prickley pear -- at least until a new growth of thorns
>come out, and they get a mouthfull of thorns. Then they finally
>remember why they don't normally eat the prickley pear. :-)
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
Ayup...I lived in Texas more than once. McAllen, Edinberg, Pharr etc
Reynosa was where we went for a good dinner and $3 a carton
Marlbouros.
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
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2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
On 1/27/2013 11:13 AM, j Burns wrote:
> On 1/26/13 11:48 PM, usablevirus wrote:
>> j Burns <[email protected]> scribbled:
>>
>>> On 1/25/13 6:52 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this
>> week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>> With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations
>>>>>> where it could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to
>>>>>> imagine something with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a
>>>>>> wrench several inches above.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just
>>>>> changed my answer to:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just sent Thorsen Tool Co. an email asking about the wrench, with
>> any
>>>> luck they will provide the answer.
>>>
>>> I've found something similar.
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/cornwell-quality-tools-p2.html
>>>
>>> Fourth item from the bottom. It has only one box, so you'd need room
>> to
>>> swing the handle 30 degrees.
>>>
>>> *********
>>>
>>> Fig. 93 shows a Cornwell [BW]94 5/8 specialty box wrench for starter
>>> motor applications, stamped "11 Cornwell" and "94" on the shank.
>>>
>>> The overall length is 10.2 inches, and the finish is plain steel, with
>>> extensive pitting due to rust.
>>>
>>> The Cornwell catalog 21A of 1941 provides our earliest catalog
>> reference
>>> for this model, where it is listed as a BW94 starter motor wrench,
>>> recommended for Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Chrysler applications. The
>>> catalog also notes its use for holding the eccentric bolt on 1939
>>> Chevrolet steering systems.
>>>
>>> The markings on this example suggest a mid 1930s origin, in particular
>>> the use of the "94" model number without the "BW" prefix, and the lack
>>> of a "USA" marking.
>>>
>>
>> I found a few more similar ones
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-M1318-M1322-obstruction-distributor-
>> wrench-set-lot-2-/170977946020?hash=item27cf1469a4&item=170977946020
>> &pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAC-S98-S67-3-4-obstruction-distributor-wrench-
>> set-lot-2-/170977940210?hash=item27cf1452f2&item=170977940210
>> &pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
>>
>> apparently it is some sort of obstruction wrench for working around
>> starters, distributers, etc...
>>
>
> Wow! A 3/4" distributor wrench!
>
> The Cornwell looks the same as the Thorsen in the size of the box, the
> way it's on the same side of the shaft as the handle, and the length of
> the shaft.
>
> My theory that the Thorsen had two boxes for situations where there was
> very little room to turn a wrench, has a weakness. If space were that
> tight, you'd have to flip the wrench approximately 24 times per revolution.
Typically a distributor wrench is not used to actually remove a
distributor retaining bolt so much as to simply tighten and loosen the
bolt so that the distributor could be rotated. Typically a 90 degree
turn of the bolt was more than adequate.
That said that 2778 is not a distributor wrench. A distributor wrench
has a handle that runs parallel to the end holding the box end of the
wrench. It then makes a 90 degree turn to reach down the length of the
distributor cap and distributor then makes another 90 degree bend to
reach under the base of the distributor to the distributor shaft and
retaining bolt. The distributor wrenches I always used had 3 sections
with 2 bends.
Thorsen, the length of the arms looks different. Now I see that
> the flattened sections look equally long, but the round sections look
> quite different in length.
>
> I believe the arms are of different lengths. I think it was designed to
> work on more models than the Cornwell. It would be analogous to a
> cruciform lug wrench, designed to work on any car an independent
> mechanic might encounter.
On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:26:04 -0000, DoN. Nichols
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2013-01-31, Bluey69 <bluey69> wrote:
>> On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Not sure why this is posted under set 477, since it applies to
> 478 (and thus I would not have read it until after posting my own
> answers. But I'll comment here on your item.
>
>> 2779 is a grid to stop animals walking along the rail line and getting
>> past the fence line .
>> Here is Australia they are commonly called cattle grids.They are used on
>> roads as well as rail lines.
>
> In South Texas, I knew them as "cattle guards", and I normally
> saw them on normal roadways which needed frequent traffic, thus
> eliminating having to open and close each gate as you drove through.
>
> In the standard road implementation, the bars are pipes at right
> angles to the road instead of parallel to it here as is forced by the
> direction of the rails. Here, the bars appear to be triangular, making
> it harder to balance a hoof on the top surface.
>
A British single track road cattle grid
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1566519
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
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On 1/31/2013 9:29 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> So, maybe that's the assembly at the rail road tracks?
Absolutely! Trains have to cross those fence lines too. Now in
Washington DC they would build a rail road trestle over that barbed wire
fence. ;~)
>
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> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
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> On 1/31/2013 7:13 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> 2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got to
>> see
>> cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
>> http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
>> Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
>>
>>
> LOL Cattle guards are very common in Texas. Mostly used in place of a
> gate when there may be a number of vehicles that often need to cross
> a fenced line. Not uncommon at all to see one cross a county road.
>
>
On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:05:38 -0000, "Stanley Daniel de Liver"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:26:04 -0000, DoN. Nichols
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-01-31, Bluey69 <bluey69> wrote:
>>> On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Not sure why this is posted under set 477, since it applies to
>> 478 (and thus I would not have read it until after posting my own
>> answers. But I'll comment here on your item.
>>
>>> 2779 is a grid to stop animals walking along the rail line and getting
>>> past the fence line .
>>> Here is Australia they are commonly called cattle grids.They are used on
>>> roads as well as rail lines.
>>
>> In South Texas, I knew them as "cattle guards", and I normally
>> saw them on normal roadways which needed frequent traffic, thus
>> eliminating having to open and close each gate as you drove through.
>>
>> In the standard road implementation, the bars are pipes at right
>> angles to the road instead of parallel to it here as is forced by the
>> direction of the rails. Here, the bars appear to be triangular, making
>> it harder to balance a hoof on the top surface.
>>
>A British single track road cattle grid
>http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1566519
>
>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> DoN.
>>
Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
<https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=870>
gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
On 1/31/2013 8:58 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/31/2013 7:13 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> 2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got
>> to see
>> cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
>> http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
>> Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
>> 2780, something similar was posted, years ago. IIRC, this is an eel
>> fisherman's tool, it clamps onto an eel swimming below the surface of the
>> wayer. It's spring loaded, and looks a bit nasty.
>> 2781, no clue.
>> 2782, some kind of saw. Beyond that, no clue.
>> 2783, probably some kind of rope rigging device. Ask a sailor.
>> 2784. Hope you find out. I'm not much help this week.
>>
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
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>> .
>>
>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
> LOL Cattle guards are very common in Texas. Mostly used in place of a
> gate when there may be a number of vehicles that often need to cross a
> fenced line. Not uncommon at all to see one cross a county road.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pIYKUdHqCoysqQGC24GgBA&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAA&biw=1333&bih=679
On 1/31/2013 7:13 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> 2779, one time when I was privileged to drive through Nebraska, I got to see
> cattle guards, but I don't think I took any pictures. This is close:
> http://ontwolanes.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cattle_guard.jpg
> Wonder if the frame on the tracks does similar function?
> 2780, something similar was posted, years ago. IIRC, this is an eel
> fisherman's tool, it clamps onto an eel swimming below the surface of the
> wayer. It's spring loaded, and looks a bit nasty.
> 2781, no clue.
> 2782, some kind of saw. Beyond that, no clue.
> 2783, probably some kind of rope rigging device. Ask a sailor.
> 2784. Hope you find out. I'm not much help this week.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
>
>
LOL Cattle guards are very common in Texas. Mostly used in place of a
gate when there may be a number of vehicles that often need to cross
a fenced line. Not uncommon at all to see one cross a county road.
Still looks like a distributor wrench, to me.
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On 1/24/13 4:36 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2778: I _thought_ it looked awfully familiar... Now I remember. It was
used for marking thin sheets manufactured from wood pulp. I used to own
one!
On 2013-01-31, Bluey69 <bluey69> wrote:
> On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Not sure why this is posted under set 477, since it applies to
478 (and thus I would not have read it until after posting my own
answers. But I'll comment here on your item.
> 2779 is a grid to stop animals walking along the rail line and getting
> past the fence line .
> Here is Australia they are commonly called cattle grids.They are used on
> roads as well as rail lines.
In South Texas, I knew them as "cattle guards", and I normally
saw them on normal roadways which needed frequent traffic, thus
eliminating having to open and close each gate as you drove through.
In the standard road implementation, the bars are pipes at right
angles to the road instead of parallel to it here as is forced by the
direction of the rails. Here, the bars appear to be triangular, making
it harder to balance a hoof on the top surface.
While I'm here, I might as well deal with the rest -- as well
as I can.
2780) Contrast is poor in the image, but after a bit of work I think
that the blades connecting to the handle act as springs to close
the claws -- and they are released by hitting the fingers in the
fork of the claw.
It looks to be about the size to grip the hoof of something
smaller than a horse or cow. It might be to grip the neck of
something rather aggressive.
2781) A Ben-Wah ball (not sure of the spelling). :-)
2782) A rather decorative saw designed to work on the draw rather
than the more common push teeth. Looks rather heavy, and
appears to be designed to be supported by an overhead rope.
Given the hook and the direction of the teeth, I suspect that it
is designed to rest on a rotating workpiece, with the teeth
cutting and the hook keeping it from being dragged forward by
the cutting force.
And it looks perhaps as though it was built in some Asian
country, given the decorative work at the tip.
2783) A simple splice link for a chain. It is either to join two
chains, form one into a link, or to replace a broken link.
2784) Ratcheting pusher or jack. Rests on one surface and pushes some
other surface (perhaps a heavy lid or something else with the
extending rod.
Not enough detail to be sure how one releases it, however.
Now posting (from rec.crafts.metalworking as always), and then
on to read the rest of this thread -- and the other one with the proper
group number.
Enjoy,
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On 2013-02-01, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 1/31/2013 9:29 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> So, maybe that's the assembly at the rail road tracks?
>
> Absolutely! Trains have to cross those fence lines too. Now in
> Washington DC they would build a rail road trestle over that barbed wire
> fence. ;~)
Nope! In Washington DC -- they would not allow the barbed wire
in the first place. :-)
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On 2013-02-04, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:05:38 -0000, "Stanley Daniel de Liver"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:26:04 -0000, DoN. Nichols
>><[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>> In South Texas, I knew them as "cattle guards", and I normally
>>> saw them on normal roadways which needed frequent traffic, thus
>>> eliminating having to open and close each gate as you drove through.
>>>
>>> In the standard road implementation, the bars are pipes at right
>>> angles to the road instead of parallel to it here as is forced by the
>>> direction of the rails. Here, the bars appear to be triangular, making
>>> it harder to balance a hoof on the top surface.
>>>
>>A British single track road cattle grid
>>http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1566519
[ ... ]
> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>
><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=870>
Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it into
a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click on
the URL. :-)
Anyway -- this (the "virtual cattle guard) reenforces my opinion
of the mental level of cattle. In South Texas, cattle are normally
wattered from a tank (a large tapered swimming pool bulldozed in the
land) but in periods of drought, these can evaporate down to almost
nothing, and that is when a "pear burner" is brought out. A blowtorch
with the head remoted from the fuel tane which is worn on the back, and
is used to burn the needles of the ubiquitous prickley pear cactus. The
big thick "leaves" are full of water, and the cattle will happily chown
down on these for water. Fine, until the rains return, and the cattle
keep eating the prickley pear -- at least until a new growth of thorns
come out, and they get a mouthfull of thorns. Then they finally
remember why they don't normally eat the prickley pear. :-)
Enjoy,
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On 2013-02-05, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2013 03:30:07 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2013-02-04, Gunner <[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>> Even paint works if stock has been around cattle guards
>>>
>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-aurora&hs=Ehr&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ&ved=0CGsQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=870>
>>
>> Terrible URL. It would not fold, and I had to go to the smallest
>>font and then stretch out the window to be able to cut and paste it into
>>a browser. (And no -- in my newsreader, you *can't* just click on
>>the URL. :-)
>
> Sorry about that. I dont know of a good way to present the massed
> results of a google search. Any suggestions?
Actually, I would not bother. One or two direct URLs -- without
the google wrappers -- would be sufficient, I would think.
It took me a while to find the part about painted patterns
working, which was what I was actually looking for. The rest, I knew
well enough from personal (but very old now) experience. :-)
I also do not use Google as my preferred search engine these
days. I far prefer DuckDuckGo for the purpose. No tracking of what you
visit, no presenting hits closer to you in place of ones which actually
have the information you want. (E.g. telling you where to buy something
when you are really looking for the manufacturer's web site so you can
perhaps download a manual. :-)
Look at the sort of things which are embedded in that URL:
======================================================================
search?q=western+cattle+guard This one make sense.
safe=off Why do I need to know that you have safe mode off?
client=firefox-aurora Or -- what version of firefox you are using
And what does the rest of this do that I should care about?
hs=Ehr
tbo=u
rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
tbm=isch
source=univ
sa=X
ei=C0cQUcjfJqnViwKz54C4BQ
ved=0CGsQsAQ
biw=1280
bih=870>
======================================================================
Maybe if you truncated the URL after the "search" data that
would work and not take up nearly as much room.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=western+cattle+guard>
which works fine -- even finding the Snopes page about the supposed
"firing of half of the cattle guards in Colorado" legend. :-)
>> Anyway -- this (the "virtual cattle guard) reenforces my opinion
>>of the mental level of cattle. In South Texas, cattle are normally
>>watered from a tank (a large tapered swimming pool bulldozed in the
>>land) but in periods of drought, these can evaporate down to almost
>>nothing, and that is when a "pear burner" is brought out. A blowtorch
>>with the head remoted from the fuel tane which is worn on the back, and
>>is used to burn the needles of the ubiquitous prickley pear cactus. The
>>big thick "leaves" are full of water, and the cattle will happily chow
>>down on these for water. Fine, until the rains return, and the cattle
>>keep eating the prickley pear -- at least until a new growth of thorns
>>come out, and they get a mouth full of thorns. Then they finally
>>remember why they don't normally eat the prickley pear. :-)
[ ... ]
> Ayup...I lived in Texas more than once. McAllen, Edinberg, Pharr etc
> Reynosa was where we went for a good dinner and $3 a carton
> Marlbouros.
Cotulla, for me. Sort of two thirds of the way from San Antonio
to Laredo.
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 1/24/2013 2:32 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> >>
> >>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> 2775, A water valve 'key'.
> >>
> >>
> >> Correct
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> 2778, A distributor wrench.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was thinking brake bleeder wrench but I'm not 100% sure.
> > Brake bleeders are 3/8 or 7/16, this looks like 9/16 or 1/2"
>
>
> The owner said: "Both ends are boxed and 5/8 size", what size are
> distributor wrenches?
IIRC, most american cars were 1/2" or 9/16"... maybe even a few 7/16". I
think 5/8" is a bit big for distributors. Not too many metric
distributor wrenches, I think there might have been a 15mm for some
Cadillac and VW applications. Most foreign cars were 10 or 12mm and
didn't require special tools.
Now thinking 2778 might be a special... like maybe for getting to Diesel
injection pump hold down bolts. But thats just a wild guess.
Erik
In article <[email protected]>,
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/01/set-477.html#answers
> >>
> >> Thanks to everyone who answered the two unidentified items this week.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rob
> > With 12 points and 2 boxes, it must have been made for situations where it
> > could be turned only 15 degrees or so. I'm trying to imagine something
> > with 5/8" screw heads and so little room to turn a wrench several inches
> > above.
>
> Since I haven't been able to find one like it on the web, I just changed my
> answer to:
>
> "Haven't been able to verify any of the guesses yet for this wrench"
>
> Hopefully we'll be able to nail it down in the near future.
I think thats a good call... I've been working on cars since the 60's,
and never recall seeing a distributor hold down bolt that large.
I bet it turns out to some special application wrench... will be
interesting to see what Thorsen says!
Erik
In article <[email protected]>,
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2775, A water valve 'key'.
2778, A distributor wrench.
Erik
On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2779 is a grid to stop animals walking along the rail line and getting
past the fence line .
Here is Australia they are commonly called cattle grids.They are used on
roads as well as rail lines.