On Saturday, December 27, 2014 6:58:51 AM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> On Friday, December 26, 2014 5:12:42 PM UTC-6, Greg Guarino wrote:
> > Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
> >=20
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-721576442074=
11490/lightbox/
> >=20
> > Thanks to all for help along the way.
>=20
> I don't recall having proffered any help tips, but it's been just as good=
a spectating *sport, as a participating *sport. I think I learned a somet=
hing or two, along the way, also. =20
Absolutely. After oohing and ahhing, I almost always find myself asking how=
some particular detail was accomplished on the projects I see posted here.=
Problem solving is great fun, but sometimes it's OK to accept that the whe=
el has already been designed.=20
>=20
> I don't often stain a project, but I have used dyes occassionally, so I p=
aid attention to that staining advice you received. Your "coloring" is ni=
ce and even, throughout.=20
Less so than you might imagine - photos hide a multitude of sins - but it's=
not bad. Still nothing like the sample in the store though. Make lots of t=
est pieces, and make them as big as you can afford to. Moreover, make sure =
your test pieces include the different kinds of grain that will show on you=
r project. There's another lesson I learned. The color looks a heck of a lo=
t darker where the oak grain lines are close together than it does where th=
ey are far apart.=20
> I sense I'd like to try that kind of staining, as compared to some of my =
past dying results.=20
I guess you can get better at anything with practice, but "dying" is someth=
ing most of us only do once. :)
On Friday, December 26, 2014 9:04:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 12/26/2014 5:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> > Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-721576442074=
11490/lightbox/
> >
> > Thanks to all for help along the way.
> >
> Outstanding Greg, and I am certain you learned loads along the way.
>=20
> Looks great!
I did learn a good deal; techniques to use again, and pitfalls to avoid.=20
I asked back when the project was just a Sketchup drawing if the design was=
likely to "rack" with weight on the shelves. All the storage I've built in=
the past was seriously overbuilt: all 3/4" ply, dadoes,full back screwed i=
nto every shelf, face frame. Several of you said that this somewhat more "o=
pen" design should be plenty strong, and it seems to be.
Also courtesy of the wRec, I learned that shaving a "flat" onto the dowels =
would make the assembly easier. That was a very handy bit of info on a proj=
ect with 224 dowels.=20
On my own I discovered that gloppy stuff like gel stain can pose a problem =
on work with lots of inside corners. Despite the fact that the sides of thi=
s project consisted of 40 pieces 9" long, I really should have prefinished =
them, or perhaps chosen a different method.=20
I learned how to make better mitered corners than I have ever made before. =
I also learned that even my best attempt yet falls short of perfection. On =
the flip-side, I have also learned that most people (other than the builder=
) tend not to notice the imperfections.
Another wRec contribution was that a random orbit sander can be used to san=
d face-frame-style joints flush, followed perhaps by a finish sander with f=
iner grits, avoiding going over the line as much as possible.=20
This was the first project that I paid significant attention to grain. I do=
n't have a jointer or a planer, and my schedule makes it difficult to get t=
o hardwood dealer when they are open for business. (That's on my to-do list=
for the future though - take a day off and buy better-quality wood) I did =
however go through the entire stock of a local Lowe's, picking the 8 red oa=
k 1x3s that had the straightest grain from among the 50 or so pieces they h=
ad. Being the nice fellow I am, I put the rest back in the rack. For the 1x=
2s I settled for straight and not twisted. =20
I made my second attempt at pattern routing, which allows a guy with limite=
d tools to add a tiny bit of flair to an otherwise straight-line sort of pr=
oject. And I learned that, even though the template had the full curve, it =
was better to flip the piece around for the second "half" of the curve to a=
void routing against the grain.=20
I think I'm *starting* to learn to apply the proper amount of glue, the fir=
st time, rather than have to add more in the sparse areas and remove gobs f=
rom the overdone areas. I also think I'm getting to know when the squeeze-o=
ut is ready to be pared away.=20
During this project I greatly improved my Sketchup skills, which means I ca=
n now quickly and efficiently draw things that will take me nearly forever =
to actually build. :)
I learned that the use of an impact driver - now nearly ubiquitous on TV a=
nd Youtube - carries with it the possibility of driving the point of the po=
cket screw through the face of the second piece, especially when you're doi=
ng the work in a contorted position and are thus eager to finish quickly. :=
(
In a related lesson, I learned how to fill the blemish with a matching colo=
r.=20
However, I also learned - at least most of the time - to call it a day whe=
n I felt like I was getting fatigued and thus careless. There are few advan=
tages to being a hobbyist with limited resources, but that's one of them: n=
o deadline. Better to continue when I can apply my full attention.=20
Continuing on that theme, I've learned that there are lots of ways to do so=
mething; the days that come between my short bouts of work often yield a be=
tter idea as I turn the next step around in my head. The final glue-up and =
assembly of the second unit was much more efficient than the first.=20
I've learned that even less-than-fine tools can be made more accurate with =
some time and effort, and that the time and effort will be rewarded with le=
ss frustration later on. But then the damn floor will be out of whack.=20
The concept of jigs is now much more a part of my mindset. With so many rep=
etitive tasks, it was practically unavoidable. But besides the efficiency, =
I feel much more confident in the results.=20
And maybe the most important thing I've learned when I step back and look a=
t this result is that a couple of years ago I'd have judged this project as=
out of my reach. I'm aware that it would be pretty rudimentary for many pe=
ople here, but everyone starts somewhere. So when I see designs that are "o=
ut of reach" now, I figure maybe - just maybe - they won't be forever.=20
Thanks again to all.
In article <[email protected]>,
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-72157644207411490/l
> ightbox/
>
> Thanks to all for help along the way.
Not too shabby at all, Greg.
On 12/27/2014 10:15 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
Well done!
> I did learn a good deal; techniques to use again, and pitfalls to avoid.
>
> I asked back when the project was just a Sketchup drawing if the design was likely to "rack" with weight on the shelves. All the storage I've built in the past was seriously overbuilt: all 3/4" ply, dadoes,full back screwed into every shelf, face frame. Several of you said that this somewhat more "open" design should be plenty strong, and it seems to be.
>
> Also courtesy of the wRec, I learned that shaving a "flat" onto the dowels would make the assembly easier. That was a very handy bit of info on a project with 224 dowels.
>
> On my own I discovered that gloppy stuff like gel stain can pose a problem on work with lots of inside corners. Despite the fact that the sides of this project consisted of 40 pieces 9" long, I really should have prefinished them, or perhaps chosen a different method.
>
> I learned how to make better mitered corners than I have ever made before. I also learned that even my best attempt yet falls short of perfection. On the flip-side, I have also learned that most people (other than the builder) tend not to notice the imperfections.
>
> Another wRec contribution was that a random orbit sander can be used to sand face-frame-style joints flush, followed perhaps by a finish sander with finer grits, avoiding going over the line as much as possible.
>
> This was the first project that I paid significant attention to grain. I don't have a jointer or a planer, and my schedule makes it difficult to get to hardwood dealer when they are open for business. (That's on my to-do list for the future though - take a day off and buy better-quality wood) I did however go through the entire stock of a local Lowe's, picking the 8 red oak 1x3s that had the straightest grain from among the 50 or so pieces they had. Being the nice fellow I am, I put the rest back in the rack. For the 1x2s I settled for straight and not twisted.
>
> I made my second attempt at pattern routing, which allows a guy with limited tools to add a tiny bit of flair to an otherwise straight-line sort of project. And I learned that, even though the template had the full curve, it was better to flip the piece around for the second "half" of the curve to avoid routing against the grain.
>
> I think I'm *starting* to learn to apply the proper amount of glue, the first time, rather than have to add more in the sparse areas and remove gobs from the overdone areas. I also think I'm getting to know when the squeeze-out is ready to be pared away.
>
> During this project I greatly improved my Sketchup skills, which means I can now quickly and efficiently draw things that will take me nearly forever to actually build. :)
>
> I learned that the use of an impact driver - now nearly ubiquitous on TV and Youtube - carries with it the possibility of driving the point of the pocket screw through the face of the second piece, especially when you're doing the work in a contorted position and are thus eager to finish quickly. :(
>
> In a related lesson, I learned how to fill the blemish with a matching color.
>
> However, I also learned - at least most of the time - to call it a day when I felt like I was getting fatigued and thus careless. There are few advantages to being a hobbyist with limited resources, but that's one of them: no deadline. Better to continue when I can apply my full attention.
>
> Continuing on that theme, I've learned that there are lots of ways to do something; the days that come between my short bouts of work often yield a better idea as I turn the next step around in my head. The final glue-up and assembly of the second unit was much more efficient than the first.
>
> I've learned that even less-than-fine tools can be made more accurate with some time and effort, and that the time and effort will be rewarded with less frustration later on. But then the damn floor will be out of whack.
>
> The concept of jigs is now much more a part of my mindset. With so many repetitive tasks, it was practically unavoidable. But besides the efficiency, I feel much more confident in the results.
>
> And maybe the most important thing I've learned when I step back and look at this result is that a couple of years ago I'd have judged this project as out of my reach. I'm aware that it would be pretty rudimentary for many people here, but everyone starts somewhere. So when I see designs that are "out of reach" now, I figure maybe - just maybe - they won't be forever.
>
> Thanks again to all.
Welcome to the wRec ... ;)
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On Friday, December 26, 2014 5:12:42 PM UTC-6, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
>=20
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-72157644207411=
490/lightbox/
>=20
> Thanks to all for help along the way.
I don't recall having proffered any help tips, but it's been just as good a=
spectating *sport, as a participating *sport. I think I learned a somethi=
ng or two, along the way, also. =20
I don't often stain a project, but I have used dyes occassionally, so I pai=
d attention to that staining advice you received. Your "coloring" is nice=
and even, throughout. I sense I'd like to try that kind of staining, as co=
mpared to some of my past dying results.=20
Good job, and not with JUST the staining.
Sonny
On Saturday, December 27, 2014 7:02:38 AM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> On Saturday, December 27, 2014 5:58:51 AM UTC-6, Sonny wrote:
> > I sense I'd like to try that kind of staining, as compared to some of my past dying results.
>
>
> Yeah, and dyeing results, too.
>
> Sonny
Yup. Sorry for the spelling joke, but I couldn't resist.
On 12/27/2014 10:15 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On Friday, December 26, 2014 9:04:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/26/2014 5:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for help along the way.
>>>
>> Outstanding Greg, and I am certain you learned loads along the way.
>>
>> Looks great!
>
> I did learn a good deal; techniques to use again, and pitfalls to avoid.
>
> I asked back when the project was just a Sketchup drawing if the design was likely to "rack" with weight on the shelves. All the storage I've built in the past was seriously overbuilt: all 3/4" ply, dadoes,full back screwed into every shelf, face frame. Several of you said that this somewhat more "open" design should be plenty strong, and it seems to be.
>
> Also courtesy of the wRec, I learned that shaving a "flat" onto the dowels would make the assembly easier. That was a very handy bit of info on a project with 224 dowels.
>
> On my own I discovered that gloppy stuff like gel stain can pose a problem on work with lots of inside corners. Despite the fact that the sides of this project consisted of 40 pieces 9" long, I really should have prefinished them, or perhaps chosen a different method.
>
> I learned how to make better mitered corners than I have ever made before. I also learned that even my best attempt yet falls short of perfection. On the flip-side, I have also learned that most people (other than the builder) tend not to notice the imperfections.
>
> Another wRec contribution was that a random orbit sander can be used to sand face-frame-style joints flush, followed perhaps by a finish sander with finer grits, avoiding going over the line as much as possible.
>
> This was the first project that I paid significant attention to grain. I don't have a jointer or a planer, and my schedule makes it difficult to get to hardwood dealer when they are open for business. (That's on my to-do list for the future though - take a day off and buy better-quality wood) I did however go through the entire stock of a local Lowe's, picking the 8 red oak 1x3s that had the straightest grain from among the 50 or so pieces they had. Being the nice fellow I am, I put the rest back in the rack. For the 1x2s I settled for straight and not twisted.
>
> I made my second attempt at pattern routing, which allows a guy with limited tools to add a tiny bit of flair to an otherwise straight-line sort of project. And I learned that, even though the template had the full curve, it was better to flip the piece around for the second "half" of the curve to avoid routing against the grain.
>
> I think I'm *starting* to learn to apply the proper amount of glue, the first time, rather than have to add more in the sparse areas and remove gobs from the overdone areas. I also think I'm getting to know when the squeeze-out is ready to be pared away.
>
> During this project I greatly improved my Sketchup skills, which means I can now quickly and efficiently draw things that will take me nearly forever to actually build. :)
>
> I learned that the use of an impact driver - now nearly ubiquitous on TV and Youtube - carries with it the possibility of driving the point of the pocket screw through the face of the second piece, especially when you're doing the work in a contorted position and are thus eager to finish quickly. :(
>
> In a related lesson, I learned how to fill the blemish with a matching color.
>
> However, I also learned - at least most of the time - to call it a day when I felt like I was getting fatigued and thus careless. There are few advantages to being a hobbyist with limited resources, but that's one of them: no deadline. Better to continue when I can apply my full attention.
>
> Continuing on that theme, I've learned that there are lots of ways to do something; the days that come between my short bouts of work often yield a better idea as I turn the next step around in my head. The final glue-up and assembly of the second unit was much more efficient than the first.
>
> I've learned that even less-than-fine tools can be made more accurate with some time and effort, and that the time and effort will be rewarded with less frustration later on. But then the damn floor will be out of whack.
>
> The concept of jigs is now much more a part of my mindset. With so many repetitive tasks, it was practically unavoidable. But besides the efficiency, I feel much more confident in the results.
>
> And maybe the most important thing I've learned when I step back and look at this result is that a couple of years ago I'd have judged this project as out of my reach. I'm aware that it would be pretty rudimentary for many people here, but everyone starts somewhere. So when I see designs that are "out of reach" now, I figure maybe - just maybe - they won't be forever.
>
> Thanks again to all.
>
Thanks for the recap Greg~ ;~)
One day you won't even thing about the things you have learned, you will
naturally just do it the best way to begin with, and that really speeds
production.
woodchucker wrote:
> On 12/26/2014 6:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all for help along the way.
>>
>
> Good job, looks nice.
>
>
Yep, it looks real nice!
Cheers,
Bill from IN
Swingman wrote:
> On 12/27/2014 10:15 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
> Well done!
Yep, I really enjoyed reading the post too. A few good lessons tucked
in there!
>
>> I did learn a good deal; techniques to use again, and pitfalls to avoid.
>>
>> I asked back when the project was just a Sketchup drawing if the
>> design was likely to "rack" with weight on the shelves. All the
>> storage I've built in the past was seriously overbuilt: all 3/4" ply,
>> dadoes,full back screwed into every shelf, face frame. Several of you
>> said that this somewhat more "open" design should be plenty strong,
>> and it seems to be.
>>
>> Also courtesy of the wRec, I learned that shaving a "flat" onto the
>> dowels would make the assembly easier. That was a very handy bit of
>> info on a project with 224 dowels.
>>
>> On my own I discovered that gloppy stuff like gel stain can pose a
>> problem on work with lots of inside corners. Despite the fact that
>> the sides of this project consisted of 40 pieces 9" long, I really
>> should have prefinished them, or perhaps chosen a different method.
>>
>> I learned how to make better mitered corners than I have ever made
>> before. I also learned that even my best attempt yet falls short of
>> perfection. On the flip-side, I have also learned that most people
>> (other than the builder) tend not to notice the imperfections.
>>
>> Another wRec contribution was that a random orbit sander can be used
>> to sand face-frame-style joints flush, followed perhaps by a finish
>> sander with finer grits, avoiding going over the line as much as
>> possible.
>>
>> This was the first project that I paid significant attention to
>> grain. I don't have a jointer or a planer, and my schedule makes it
>> difficult to get to hardwood dealer when they are open for business.
>> (That's on my to-do list for the future though - take a day off and
>> buy better-quality wood) I did however go through the entire stock of
>> a local Lowe's, picking the 8 red oak 1x3s that had the straightest
>> grain from among the 50 or so pieces they had. Being the nice fellow
>> I am, I put the rest back in the rack. For the 1x2s I settled for
>> straight and not twisted.
>>
>> I made my second attempt at pattern routing, which allows a guy with
>> limited tools to add a tiny bit of flair to an otherwise
>> straight-line sort of project. And I learned that, even though the
>> template had the full curve, it was better to flip the piece around
>> for the second "half" of the curve to avoid routing against the grain.
>>
>> I think I'm *starting* to learn to apply the proper amount of glue,
>> the first time, rather than have to add more in the sparse areas and
>> remove gobs from the overdone areas. I also think I'm getting to know
>> when the squeeze-out is ready to be pared away.
>>
>> During this project I greatly improved my Sketchup skills, which
>> means I can now quickly and efficiently draw things that will take me
>> nearly forever to actually build. :)
>>
>> I learned that the use of an impact driver - now nearly ubiquitous
>> on TV and Youtube - carries with it the possibility of driving the
>> point of the pocket screw through the face of the second piece,
>> especially when you're doing the work in a contorted position and are
>> thus eager to finish quickly. :(
>>
>> In a related lesson, I learned how to fill the blemish with a
>> matching color.
>>
>> However, I also learned - at least most of the time - to call it a
>> day when I felt like I was getting fatigued and thus careless. There
>> are few advantages to being a hobbyist with limited resources, but
>> that's one of them: no deadline. Better to continue when I can apply
>> my full attention.
>>
>> Continuing on that theme, I've learned that there are lots of ways to
>> do something; the days that come between my short bouts of work often
>> yield a better idea as I turn the next step around in my head. The
>> final glue-up and assembly of the second unit was much more efficient
>> than the first.
>>
>> I've learned that even less-than-fine tools can be made more accurate
>> with some time and effort, and that the time and effort will be
>> rewarded with less frustration later on. But then the damn floor will
>> be out of whack.
>>
>> The concept of jigs is now much more a part of my mindset. With so
>> many repetitive tasks, it was practically unavoidable. But besides
>> the efficiency, I feel much more confident in the results.
>>
>> And maybe the most important thing I've learned when I step back and
>> look at this result is that a couple of years ago I'd have judged
>> this project as out of my reach. I'm aware that it would be pretty
>> rudimentary for many people here, but everyone starts somewhere. So
>> when I see designs that are "out of reach" now, I figure maybe - just
>> maybe - they won't be forever.
>>
>> Thanks again to all.
>
>
> Welcome to the wRec ... ;)
>
On 12/26/2014 5:12 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Outdoor photos this time, so better light and color rendition:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15927297200/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
> Thanks to all for help along the way.
>
Outstanding Greg, and I am certain you learned loads along the way.
Looks great!