So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
Who will buy this? LOL
http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
Spalted Walt <[email protected]> writes:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html
>
>So far it looks like 1 commenter is sold (the other one, not so much ;)
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-apU5FWC8
>
>
This is less expensive:
https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/dowel-plate-standard
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 6:44:42 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 10/14/2016 12:03 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>> another example:
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>>>>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
>>>>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all
>>>>> clamps
>>>>> in steps.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I
>>>> don't
>>>> see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I am misunderstanding. What do the modified clamps do that regular
>>> clamps will not do?
>>
>> They apply downward as well as lateral pressure because of the slope in the
>> modified tail pieces. The top clamp fits in the bottom clamp, tightening
>> the top one forces them down. That downward force all along the bar keeps
>> the glueup flat. That's what the scale was showing...downward pressure. Of
>> course, for that down push to function, the pieces being glued need to be on
>> a flat surface.
>
> Doesn't the bar of the bottom clamp provide that flat surface automatically?
Only if the bottom clamp is squeezing too.
>
> The glue-up is being squeezed between 2 flat "surfaces" so it'll be flat regardless of
> where the jig is set up.
>
Actually the glue up is being squeezed between two clamp bars that are
trying to each bend in opposite directions thus counteracting the bends in
both bars. Loosen either clamp and the other will bend along with the
piece being clamped.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 21:32:38 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:54:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 10/11/2016 11:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 10/11/16 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
>>>>> maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
>>>>> dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
>>>>> worth the money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
>>>>
>>>> In just the 5mm size I just opened my 15th bag of 300 or 4,500 Domino's
>>>> and almost 8,000 mortises just for that size.
>>>>
>>>>> You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
>>>>> twice because quality and speed, right?
>>>>
>>>> I did think twice, actually for several weeks and probably once each day
>>>> minimum and to this day the quality of the mortises have not
>>>> deteriorated. And the original 5mm bit just cut 144 perfect and exposed
>>>> mortises yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC I paid about $800 for the Domino and that comes to 10 cents per
>>>> mortise in just the 5mm size.
>>>> The dowel maker appears to have 8 threads per inch and capacity looks to
>>>> be 5~6". Assuming the larger, you will need to crank the handle 48
>>>> times to produce "1", 6" dowel and another 48 times to get ready for the
>>>> next dowel. So you are going to crank almost 100 times for each dowel
>>>> if making more than 1 dowel. To get your cost down to the equivalent 10
>>>> cents per mortise/dowel you will need to produce 4,000 dowels and or
>>>> about 400,000 cranks. I plunge my Domino mortiser 1/100 as many times
>>>> for the same result. And my plunges take about 2-3 seconds regardless of
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> So yes my Domino was very expensive but this thing is beyond expensive
>>>> if comparing as pointed out above.
>>>>
>>>> BUT if you just have to have a dozen or so ebony dowels that are 6" long
>>>> I believe that a production shop would already have a lathe and that
>>>> would be an easy way to produce short dowels or longer dowels.
>>>>
>>>> I think this dowel maker would be a great addition to a collection of
>>>> "one time" tools and a great conversation piece.
>>>>
>>>> I do not think I would use it even if it pushed out Domino tenons. ;~)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fair enough! :-D
>>>
>>>
>>J. Clark pointed out the the ship date is April 2017. This very well
>>may be like a Lee Valley April Fools joke. ;~)
>
>No, Lee Valley is only a retailer for Woodpeckers tools. Woodpeckers
>Woodworking sent me the "One Time Tool" announcement last week,
>directly. I have a bunch of Woodpecker's tools and quite a few "One
>Time Tools" but this is certainly one I'll be passing on.
Woodpeckers really thinks dowels are great stuff.
<http://www.woodpeck.com/ultimate-doweling-jig.html>
I passed on that one, too.
On 10/11/2016 3:34 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers.
>>>> I was surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=
>>>> 283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347
>>>> &_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>
>>> Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
>
> Now, if it was guranteed to work ... and for a long time with iron wood I'd
> be all over it.
>
It looks to me like you could just buy the dies, build a jig to
hold them on a pipe clamp, and for a lot less than $399 be able
to cut dowels six feet long.
On 10/11/2016 7:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
> @swbelldotnet says...
>>
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>
> For certain values.
>
> Note the ship date.
>
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
>
It may very well be an April Fools joke. LOL
dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>
>>> +1
>>> another example:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>
>>
>>
>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>
> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>
>
>
Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all clamps
in steps.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
> > So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> > that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
> >
> > Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
> >
> > Who will buy this? LOL
>
> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
+1
another example:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 7:55:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
> >>>> [email protected]:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> >>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>> another example:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
> >> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
> >
> > That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all clamps
> in steps.
But would it apply 1000 lbs? ;-)
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-4, tdacon wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >Who will buy this? LOL
>
> If you need to make custom dowels, you need something to shape them for you;
> you're not going to whittle them. $400 is ridiculous, but Lie-Nielsen has a
> good dowel plate for $55:
> http://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/dowel-plate-standard
>
> Tom
Tom,
Thanks for the link...looks like some of the owners/users over SMC have struggled a bit with that plate...I have not read all the comments yet...
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?120302-Dowel-Plate-Woes
On 10/15/2016 8:50 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 10/15/2016 7:55 AM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> Actually the glue up is being squeezed between two clamp bars that are
>> trying to each bend in opposite directions thus counteracting the
>> bends in
>> both bars. Loosen either clamp and the other will bend along with the
>> piece being clamped.
>
> The fella' in the video has the work being clamped supported on heavy
> flat cauls underneath, not the clamp bars so the top tapered clamp is
> pressing against them, not the other clamp bar. I didn't watch it
> again, don't recall if he'd use another caul on top or just the bar but
> his scale demo illustrated a pretty decent vertical force being exerted;
> a couple hundred pounds.
>
> Of course, holding the panel flat forcibly while it's being glued
> doesn't mean it'll stay there when the clamps are removed...that'll
> mostly depend on how well the edges were milled square w/ the faces or
> that were alternated to compensate. :)
>
>
The act of simply putting a clamp on top and bottom counteracts the
clamps tendency to bend.
As you may have been referring to, if the glue up is warped to begin
with, flattening it during glue up will not change anything.
His downward pressure is simply to counteract improperly placed and
applied force. If he would learn how to clamp panels correctly he would
not need this crutch.
On 10/11/2016 4:47 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>
> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=
> 2836591572760006197414520605175716284512077735831251132244544800754261669704
> 26752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>
>
I think it may work as a nut cracker too! ;~)
On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>>
>
> I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
> maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
> dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
> worth the money.
>
> Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
In just the 5mm size I just opened my 15th bag of 300 or 4,500 Domino's
and almost 8,000 mortises just for that size.
> You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
> twice because quality and speed, right?
I did think twice, actually for several weeks and probably once each day
minimum and to this day the quality of the mortises have not
deteriorated. And the original 5mm bit just cut 144 perfect and exposed
mortises yesterday.
IIRC I paid about $800 for the Domino and that comes to 10 cents per
mortise in just the 5mm size.
The dowel maker appears to have 8 threads per inch and capacity looks to
be 5~6". Assuming the larger, you will need to crank the handle 48
times to produce "1", 6" dowel and another 48 times to get ready for the
next dowel. So you are going to crank almost 100 times for each dowel
if making more than 1 dowel. To get your cost down to the equivalent 10
cents per mortise/dowel you will need to produce 4,000 dowels and or
about 400,000 cranks. I plunge my Domino mortiser 1/100 as many times
for the same result. And my plunges take about 2-3 seconds regardless of
size.
So yes my Domino was very expensive but this thing is beyond expensive
if comparing as pointed out above.
BUT if you just have to have a dozen or so ebony dowels that are 6" long
I believe that a production shop would already have a lathe and that
would be an easy way to produce short dowels or longer dowels.
I think this dowel maker would be a great addition to a collection of
"one time" tools and a great conversation piece.
I do not think I would use it even if it pushed out Domino tenons. ;~)
On 10/15/2016 7:09 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Doesn't the bar of the bottom clamp provide that flat surface automatically?
>
> The glue-up is being squeezed between 2 flat "surfaces" so it'll be flat regardless of
> where the jig is set up.
Just make it a moot point. Since not all clamps apply forces in the same
plane, especially on wide glue ups where your clamp selection is
mixed/limited and the "you can't have too many clamps" theory fails you,
you can always force the issue if need be, easily and cheaply, thusly:
https://goo.gl/photos/g62ZFnVq6NnsNYUX8
Where there's a will, there's a way, even it include bags of cement,
bricks and/or other heavy implements/tools:
https://goo.gl/photos/NcMLehgP8N4GaxWk8
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On 10/11/2016 9:55 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
> Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
>
>
LOL Yeah! Why not. I could maybe see it if it made normal length dowels
but 5~6" probably not.
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...
>
> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>
> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
For certain values.
Note the ship date.
>
> Who will buy this? LOL
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
On 10/11/2016 11:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 10/11/16 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
>>> maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
>>> dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
>>> worth the money.
>>>
>>> Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
>>
>> In just the 5mm size I just opened my 15th bag of 300 or 4,500 Domino's
>> and almost 8,000 mortises just for that size.
>>
>>> You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
>>> twice because quality and speed, right?
>>
>> I did think twice, actually for several weeks and probably once each day
>> minimum and to this day the quality of the mortises have not
>> deteriorated. And the original 5mm bit just cut 144 perfect and exposed
>> mortises yesterday.
>>
>> IIRC I paid about $800 for the Domino and that comes to 10 cents per
>> mortise in just the 5mm size.
>> The dowel maker appears to have 8 threads per inch and capacity looks to
>> be 5~6". Assuming the larger, you will need to crank the handle 48
>> times to produce "1", 6" dowel and another 48 times to get ready for the
>> next dowel. So you are going to crank almost 100 times for each dowel
>> if making more than 1 dowel. To get your cost down to the equivalent 10
>> cents per mortise/dowel you will need to produce 4,000 dowels and or
>> about 400,000 cranks. I plunge my Domino mortiser 1/100 as many times
>> for the same result. And my plunges take about 2-3 seconds regardless of
>> size.
>>
>> So yes my Domino was very expensive but this thing is beyond expensive
>> if comparing as pointed out above.
>>
>> BUT if you just have to have a dozen or so ebony dowels that are 6" long
>> I believe that a production shop would already have a lathe and that
>> would be an easy way to produce short dowels or longer dowels.
>>
>> I think this dowel maker would be a great addition to a collection of
>> "one time" tools and a great conversation piece.
>>
>> I do not think I would use it even if it pushed out Domino tenons. ;~)
>>
>
> Fair enough! :-D
>
>
J. Clark pointed out the the ship date is April 2017. This very well
may be like a Lee Valley April Fools joke. ;~)
On 10/11/2016 4:47 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
Yep, always been pretty much Woodpecker's business model,IMO; but I
admit to having purchased a number of their offerings ... some of their
sizzle has more steak than than others.
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>
> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>
> Who will buy this? LOL
Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=
2836591572760006197414520605175716284512077735831251132244544800754261669704
26752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
On 10/11/2016 5:35 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 4:47 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>
> Yep, always been pretty much Woodpecker's business model,IMO; but I
> admit to having purchased a number of their offerings ... some of their
> sizzle has more steak than than others.
>
Woodpeckers has a lot of great tools but it seems the stinkers tend to
fall in the "One Time Tools" category. I probably use my story sticks
as much a my Domino.. Ohhhhhhhh..
Having said that if I had not already been given a parallel guide for
the Festool tracks, thank you very much, the WoodPeckers one time tool
that does the same as the parallel guides seems better thought out and
more useful and in the same price range.
On 10/14/2016 12:03 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>> another example:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>>>
>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all clamps
>> in steps.
>
> I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I don't
> see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
>
>
Maybe I am misunderstanding. What do the modified clamps do that
regular clamps will not do? If it is to prevent the bar from bending
and warping the panel, alternating sides with clamps do the same. That
is how I prevent the clamp bars from bowing and bending the glue up.
You do have to snug all evenly, top and bottom, then add more pressure
evenly, top and bottom, and so on.
On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 6:44:42 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 10/14/2016 12:03 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> >> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
> >>>>>>> [email protected]:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
> >>>>>>>> surprised
> >>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>> another example:
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
> >>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
> >>>>
> >>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
> >>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all
> >>> clamps
> >>> in steps.
> >>
> >> I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I
> >> don't
> >> see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Maybe I am misunderstanding. What do the modified clamps do that regular
> > clamps will not do?
>
> They apply downward as well as lateral pressure because of the slope in the
> modified tail pieces. The top clamp fits in the bottom clamp, tightening
> the top one forces them down. That downward force all along the bar keeps
> the glueup flat. That's what the scale was showing...downward pressure. Of
> course, for that down push to function, the pieces being glued need to be on
> a flat surface.
Doesn't the bar of the bottom clamp provide that flat surface automatically?
The glue-up is being squeezed between 2 flat "surfaces" so it'll be flat regardless of
where the jig is set up.
Hey Tom,
Last night I spent several minutes hammering out sixteen 3/8 inch dia. dowe=
ls and twelve 1/4 inch dia. dowels, all Sapele, 3 inch long using my Lie N=
ielsen dowel plate. My arm felt real weak afterward. This morning I saw t=
he Woodpecker ad and was real happy that I saved $345. I'm certain the Wo=
odpecker machine makes straighter dowels with less noise but I get a certai=
n amount of pleasure making mine with the plate.
Also, whenever I give away or sell a project with exposed dowels the recip=
ient/customer always appears intrigued when I tell them I made the dowels w=
ith the LN plate and a hammer.
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:03:00 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>> another example:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>>>
>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all clamps
>> in steps.
>
>I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I don't
>see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
When the clamps are tightened the force applied to the board is
off-center of the clamp rails, causing them to bend towards the board.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>
> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>
> Who will buy this? LOL
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html
So far it looks like 1 commenter is sold (the other one, not so much ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-apU5FWC8
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
>Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
You know, the only part of the link necessary is:
http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html
You can leave off all the query parameters (the elements after the first '?'
in the URI), which generally encode personal information about you.
As for who, looks quite useful, if overpriced. Consider the same folks that
would buy a Stanley #77, which are currently as expensive and much more rare.
Where, after all, would one find a Bocate or Dalbergia Nigra dowel commercially?
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:50:09 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 10/11/2016 7:26 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> For certain values.
>>
>> Note the ship date.
>>
>>>
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>
>>
>
>
>It may very well be an April Fools joke. LOL
It may be an expensive joke on fools but it's definitely not an April
fools joke.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:54:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 10/11/2016 11:04 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 10/11/16 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
>>>> maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
>>>> dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
>>>> worth the money.
>>>>
>>>> Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
>>>
>>> In just the 5mm size I just opened my 15th bag of 300 or 4,500 Domino's
>>> and almost 8,000 mortises just for that size.
>>>
>>>> You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
>>>> twice because quality and speed, right?
>>>
>>> I did think twice, actually for several weeks and probably once each day
>>> minimum and to this day the quality of the mortises have not
>>> deteriorated. And the original 5mm bit just cut 144 perfect and exposed
>>> mortises yesterday.
>>>
>>> IIRC I paid about $800 for the Domino and that comes to 10 cents per
>>> mortise in just the 5mm size.
>>> The dowel maker appears to have 8 threads per inch and capacity looks to
>>> be 5~6". Assuming the larger, you will need to crank the handle 48
>>> times to produce "1", 6" dowel and another 48 times to get ready for the
>>> next dowel. So you are going to crank almost 100 times for each dowel
>>> if making more than 1 dowel. To get your cost down to the equivalent 10
>>> cents per mortise/dowel you will need to produce 4,000 dowels and or
>>> about 400,000 cranks. I plunge my Domino mortiser 1/100 as many times
>>> for the same result. And my plunges take about 2-3 seconds regardless of
>>> size.
>>>
>>> So yes my Domino was very expensive but this thing is beyond expensive
>>> if comparing as pointed out above.
>>>
>>> BUT if you just have to have a dozen or so ebony dowels that are 6" long
>>> I believe that a production shop would already have a lathe and that
>>> would be an easy way to produce short dowels or longer dowels.
>>>
>>> I think this dowel maker would be a great addition to a collection of
>>> "one time" tools and a great conversation piece.
>>>
>>> I do not think I would use it even if it pushed out Domino tenons. ;~)
>>>
>>
>> Fair enough! :-D
>>
>>
>J. Clark pointed out the the ship date is April 2017. This very well
>may be like a Lee Valley April Fools joke. ;~)
No, Lee Valley is only a retailer for Woodpeckers tools. Woodpeckers
Woodworking sent me the "One Time Tool" announcement last week,
directly. I have a bunch of Woodpecker's tools and quite a few "One
Time Tools" but this is certainly one I'll be passing on.
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>
> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>
> Who will buy this? LOL
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Who will buy this? LOL
If you need to make custom dowels, you need something to shape them for you;
you're not going to whittle them. $400 is ridiculous, but Lie-Nielsen has a
good dowel plate for $55:
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/dowel-plate-standard
Tom
On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>
I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
worth the money.
Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
twice because quality and speed, right?
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=
>>>283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347
>>>&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
>
>>
>>Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
>>
>
Now, if it was guranteed to work ... and for a long time with iron wood I'd
be all over it.
On 10/11/16 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 10/11/16 11:41 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>> surprised that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>
>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>
>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
>>>
>>
>> I can't see them selling a lot of them, but if I were a custom furniture
>> maker who made a lot of pieces every year and wanted to use matching
>> dowels or exotic hardwood dowels for "show," that thing would be well
>> worth the money.
>>
>> Leon, how many Domino mortises did you say you've cut?
>
> In just the 5mm size I just opened my 15th bag of 300 or 4,500 Domino's
> and almost 8,000 mortises just for that size.
>
>> You bought an extremely expensive machine to do it and didn't think
>> twice because quality and speed, right?
>
> I did think twice, actually for several weeks and probably once each day
> minimum and to this day the quality of the mortises have not
> deteriorated. And the original 5mm bit just cut 144 perfect and exposed
> mortises yesterday.
>
> IIRC I paid about $800 for the Domino and that comes to 10 cents per
> mortise in just the 5mm size.
> The dowel maker appears to have 8 threads per inch and capacity looks to
> be 5~6". Assuming the larger, you will need to crank the handle 48
> times to produce "1", 6" dowel and another 48 times to get ready for the
> next dowel. So you are going to crank almost 100 times for each dowel
> if making more than 1 dowel. To get your cost down to the equivalent 10
> cents per mortise/dowel you will need to produce 4,000 dowels and or
> about 400,000 cranks. I plunge my Domino mortiser 1/100 as many times
> for the same result. And my plunges take about 2-3 seconds regardless of
> size.
>
> So yes my Domino was very expensive but this thing is beyond expensive
> if comparing as pointed out above.
>
> BUT if you just have to have a dozen or so ebony dowels that are 6" long
> I believe that a production shop would already have a lathe and that
> would be an easy way to produce short dowels or longer dowels.
>
> I think this dowel maker would be a great addition to a collection of
> "one time" tools and a great conversation piece.
>
> I do not think I would use it even if it pushed out Domino tenons. ;~)
>
Fair enough! :-D
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>
>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>
>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>
>> +1
>> another example:
>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>
>
>
> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> another example:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>>
>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all clamps
> in steps.
I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I don't
see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/14/2016 12:03 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> another example:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>>>>
>>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to be
>>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all
>>> clamps
>>> in steps.
>>
>> I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I
>> don't
>> see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
>>
>>
>
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding. What do the modified clamps do that regular
> clamps will not do?
They apply downward as well as lateral pressure because of the slope in the
modified tail pieces. The top clamp fits in the bottom clamp, tightening
the top one forces them down. That downward force all along the bar keeps
the glueup flat. That's what the scale was showing...downward pressure. Of
course, for that down push to function, the pieces being glued need to be on
a flat surface.
"DerbyDad03" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 6:44:42 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On 10/14/2016 12:03 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> >> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >>> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> >>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
>> >>>>>>> news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>> >>>>>>> [email protected]:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was
>> >>>>>>>> surprised
>> >>>>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>> another example:
>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>> >>>>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes it does when you alternate sides, and the champs do not need to
>> >>> be
>> >>> close, every 10-15" works well for me. You just evenly tighten all
>> >>> clamps
>> >>> in steps.
>> >>
>> >> I agree that it is the conventional way to keep the glue up flat but I
>> >> don't
>> >> see how it applies vertical pressure. What am I missing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe I am misunderstanding. What do the modified clamps do that
>> > regular
>> > clamps will not do?
>>
>> They apply downward as well as lateral pressure because of the slope in
>> the
>> modified tail pieces. The top clamp fits in the bottom clamp, tightening
>> the top one forces them down. That downward force all along the bar
>> keeps
>> the glueup flat. That's what the scale was showing...downward pressure.
>> Of
>> course, for that down push to function, the pieces being glued need to be
>> on
>> a flat surface.
>
> Doesn't the bar of the bottom clamp provide that flat surface
> automatically?
Not in my world. Not even with pipe clamps which don't flex like bar
clamps.
> The glue-up is being squeezed between 2 flat "surfaces" so it'll be flat
> regardless of
> where the jig is set up.
IF...
1. The clamp faces apply pressure exactly in the centers of the edges, and
if...
2. All edges are perfectly vertical, then...
the work pieces may wind up flat.
That doesn't happen in my world. I tweak flatness by loosening/tightening
top and bottom clamps while checking the glue up surface with a straight
edge. Even with that it is normal for me to wind up with a slight (1/64 -
1/32+-) bow, not to mention lippage, neither of which bother me because
eventually the glue up will be flattened on a drum sander.
On 10/15/2016 7:55 AM, Leon wrote:
...
> Actually the glue up is being squeezed between two clamp bars that are
> trying to each bend in opposite directions thus counteracting the bends in
> both bars. Loosen either clamp and the other will bend along with the
> piece being clamped.
The fella' in the video has the work being clamped supported on heavy
flat cauls underneath, not the clamp bars so the top tapered clamp is
pressing against them, not the other clamp bar. I didn't watch it
again, don't recall if he'd use another caul on top or just the bar but
his scale demo illustrated a pretty decent vertical force being exerted;
a couple hundred pounds.
Of course, holding the panel flat forcibly while it's being glued
doesn't mean it'll stay there when the clamps are removed...that'll
mostly depend on how well the edges were milled square w/ the faces or
that were alternated to compensate. :)
On 10/15/2016 11:26 AM, Leon wrote:
...
> The act of simply putting a clamp on top and bottom counteracts the
> clamps tendency to bend.
...
The problem generally isn't the clamp itself bending but getting the
force _directly_ normal to the edge...
If the edges are milled correctly, his technique possibly will speed up
things a little by not requiring such finicky placement as otherwise.
But, agreed, it _can_ be done without the "crutch"...
>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=
>>283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347
>>&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
>Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
>
Great product idea !
.. now I no longer need to hand-carve all my dowels
with my Lee Valley kitchen knife .. :-)
http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?p=74878&cat=54&ap=1
John T.
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:23:39 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>>>
>>> +1
>>> another example:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>>>
>>
>>
>> I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
>> Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?
>
>That wouldn't create the VERTICAL pressure.
>
Why not? There would be a small twist because of the offset but it's
the same idea.
On 10/11/2016 10:14 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Spalted Walt <[email protected]> writes:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html
>>
>> So far it looks like 1 commenter is sold (the other one, not so much ;)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T-apU5FWC8
>>
>>
>
> This is less expensive:
>
> https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/dowel-plate-standard
>
Precisely and what I was thinking when I saw the Woodpecker version.
and no limit to length.
On 10/11/2016 10:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>>
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>>
>> Hey, why not? It's only $399.99.
>
> You know, the only part of the link necessary is:
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html
>
> You can leave off all the query parameters (the elements after the first '?'
> in the URI), which generally encode personal information about you.
Yes, but I did not want to test the link or look for the ?
>
> As for who, looks quite useful, if overpriced. Consider the same folks that
> would buy a Stanley #77, which are currently as expensive and much more rare.
Some one is going to buy it, true. ;~)
Very similar...this to make chop sticks but much less expensive.
http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/tools/what-s-new/chopstick-master-version-2.html
>
> Where, after all, would one find a Bocate or Dalbergia Nigra dowel commercially?
>
LOL, Yeah. I have a feeling that this will go up on some ones display
of one time tools, from Woodpeckers, and it will never be used.
On 10/11/2016 9:08 AM, Leon wrote:
> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>
> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>
> Who will buy this? LOL
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/dowel-press.html?_bta_tid=283659157276000619741452060517571628451207773583125113224454480075426166970426752344347&_bta_c=de2eixmq4a4d3klxki332z1v7ojlu
>
Boudreaux, he say say: "Fifty bucks is fifty bucks", him ...
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On 10/13/2016 8:34 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:3YWdnd-eGsrCb2HKnZ2dnUU7-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> So I got this email with a link to go to Woodpeckers. I was surprised
>>> that the link did not go to Lee Valley.
>>>
>>> Then I snapped and realized it is not April Fools Day.
>>>
>>> Who will buy this? LOL
>>
>> Looks like a solution in need of a problem.
>
> +1
> another example:
> https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ev-yPAQu4I0?autoplay=1
>
I saw this guy several months ago and wondered "WHY".
Why not just put the second clamp beside the first?