I cannot believe how much wood costs

Uh, Larry, the news was the same, only the reaction differed.

And, for the record, money managers outnumber "the rich" in the stock
market.

"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:19:41 GMT, "George"
> <[email protected]> pixelated:
>
> >SHHHHH! S/he believes what they have to make up to fill airtime on news
> >broadcasts.
> >
> > I find it especially funny when they give "explanations" for daily
market
> >fluctuations like "the market retreated today on investor fears that
the
> >good news in consumer goods sales might spur inflation." Or "the market
> >advanced on good news that consumer sales were up for July."
>
> You say that as if you don't believe the fact that the herds
> can react instantly. Interesting. (Granted, the rich own the
> market and can make it jump a LOT higher/lower in a -much-
> shorter period of time.)

In article <[email protected]>, spud
<midnight@theoasis> wrote:

> > <DON'[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, spud
> ><midnight@theoasis> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if an oil company could ever get permits to build a refinery
> >> today? Suspect it would make headlines on PBSor NPR how the greedy
> >> capitalist oil companies are trying to distroy the enviroment for evil
> >> profit. Hmmmm...leftist logic at work
> >
> >So, *your* logic at work is that it is governmental resistance to
> >issuing permits that is /forcing/ the oil companies to raise prices?
>
> I think it would've been better "news" if PBS would asked the
> question, and reasearch an answer, yeah. But capitalist conspiracy is
> easier Pablum for shallow thinkers.
>
> >It
> >couldn't be anything as mundane as profiteering (price gouging?) by oil
> >barons now, could it?
>
> Uh, what exactly is profiterring? Run a business, pay expenses and
> maybe make a profit. And that's a bad thing? Fact is, if I get my
> news from PBS then I hear one story, paraniod, tiresome conspiracy
> clap trap. More 'vast right wing conspriacy' form limosine liberals.
>
> >Could they simply be taking advantage of the fact
> >that a po' little rich boy from a rich oil family is running the whole
> >country and not bloody likely to rein them in?
>
> More Pablum for those with short attention spans.
>
> >Do you think oil is the
> >real weapon of mass *financial* destruction?
>
> Huh? Still conspiracy drival...what?
>
> >Just asking.
>
> There ya go.
> >
> >Gerry
>
> Steve Vegos

Why does every NG have to have someone like you whose only response to
any argument is to belittle or outright insult the poster? Instead of
making any kind of reasoned rebuttal to someone's opinion, you throw
words about like "capitalist conspiracy", "Pablum", "shallow
thinkers", "paraniod" (sic), "tiresome conspiracy clap trap", "limosine
(sic) liberals", "short attention spans", and "conspiracy drival
(sic)".

Let's see if I've got this right. Even though I did not insult you, if
someone like me condemns or insults the oil companies or the
government, that gives you the right to insult me? Gee, I want to
graduate from being a shallow thinker to becoming a deep thinker like
you.

Gerry

Assuming you're going to lay the 6x6s flat (as beams) and the run the
joists on top? Why 6x6 and not 4x4?
Ever thought about using some concrete blocks to elevate the wood off
the ground? (the 4" blocks not 8").

Add a third beam, use 2x6s for joists - cost differential? Could even
be 24" apart (be careful - depending on what you're storing).

How heavy's the stuff you're storing? I build a shed to use as a
garage for my motorcycle, and used 4x4 "beams" 4' apart, on 4x8x16
concrete blocks, and 2x6's joists @ 12" o.c. IIRC. Worked well for
many years (bike now gone, shed still in fine shape).

You need 13 2x's for the joists ((16' / 16") + 1) unless you're
doubling up the rim joists, in which case you need 15.

3/4 T&G subflooring costs $27 a sheet? Is this stuff pressure treated
(hopefully)?

Renata

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:31:51 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>And please help me with this dimension question.
>
>the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
>Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
>I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
>every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
>of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this right?
>
>The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12 feet
>wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
>4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
>the shed floor. Is this right?
>
>This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
>floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
>(whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
>Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
>cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
>Thanks as always.
>

(no stain for email)

>The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12 feet
>wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
>4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
>the shed floor. Is this right?

Sounds about right to me...6 pieces, yep.
Someday, it'll all be over....

[email protected] wrote:
>
> "JC from Gnat Flats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I almost went into shock yesterday at Home Depot. The last time I had bought
> >7/16 osb, it was $5.99 and that was not more than two or three months ago.
> >Yesterday? $14.99 a sheet. That which I needed? It's still there.
>
> Wow. 7/16 was 11.75 this weekend with 1/2 going twelve something.
> I'm planning to do some house remodel stuff but now I am waiting until
> winter to buy my sheet goods. I'll store in garage for 6 months at
> those prices.
>
> Wes
>
> --
> Reply to:
> Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
> Lycos address is a spam trap.

The story I got from my supplier is that a major plant burned to the
ground and that there had also been several plants shut down because of
an oversupply situation which has now become a shortage. 7/16 is running
14.98 at the lumberyard now, don't know what the borgs are getting.

Scott
--
An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms
up later, the damage remains.

Our Govies recently bought 200 freight cars of plywood, not OSB, to ship
to Iraq I hear. That's over 500,000 sheets of 3/4 plywood. 1 million
sheets of 3/8". Don't look for plywood prices to drop soon.

I don't know how much OSB their shipping over there.

Phil

[email protected] wrote:
> "JC from Gnat Flats" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I think he just made up a story to make us think he knows his business. The
>>WSJ, or USA Today had the real scoobie yesterday. The folks that are doing
>>the rebuilding in Iraq, the government in other words, are buying up all the
>>"sheet goods" for use over there. They are buying it at the rate of 3
>>million bucks per shot. that's a lot of osb taken off the market. Might not
>>allow a return to normal prices this winter.
>>
>>That stinks.
>
>
> Sure does. I'll keep it in mind if the prices don't drop this winter.
>
> WEs

4" are cheaper if you're buyin' 'em. 8" are fine. There's a
difference between cinder block and concrete block as far as load
capacity capability. Use more rather than less.

PT ply is not required for the floor if it's off the ground, like
yours seemingly will be. I coated the interior of mine with a clear
deck coating to help make it easier to clean, less prone to permanent
staining.

Renata

On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 15:31:03 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Why not the 8'' blocks? I have about 40 of them.
>They are the cynder block kind with connector and corner pieces.
>
>
>"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Assuming you're going to lay the 6x6s flat (as beams) and the run the
>> joists on top? Why 6x6 and not 4x4?
>> Ever thought about using some concrete blocks to elevate the wood off
>> the ground? (the 4" blocks not 8").
>>
>> Add a third beam, use 2x6s for joists - cost differential? Could even
>> be 24" apart (be careful - depending on what you're storing).
>>
>> How heavy's the stuff you're storing? I build a shed to use as a
>> garage for my motorcycle, and used 4x4 "beams" 4' apart, on 4x8x16
>> concrete blocks, and 2x6's joists @ 12" o.c. IIRC. Worked well for
>> many years (bike now gone, shed still in fine shape).
>>
>> You need 13 2x's for the joists ((16' / 16") + 1) unless you're
>> doubling up the rim joists, in which case you need 15.
>>
>> 3/4 T&G subflooring costs $27 a sheet? Is this stuff pressure treated
>> (hopefully)?
>>
>> Renata
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:31:51 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >And please help me with this dimension question.
>> >
>> >the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>> >
>> >Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure
>treated:
>> >
>> > Item
>> > Price
>> > Quantity
>> > Total
>> >
>> > 6x6
>> > $ 30.00
>> > 2
>> > $ 60.00
>> >
>> > 2x8x12
>> > $ 9.97
>> > 14
>> > $ 139.58
>> >
>> > 2x8x16
>> > $ 13.39
>> > 2
>> > $ 26.78
>> >
>> > 4x8x3/4
>> > $ 28.00
>> > 6
>> > $ 168.00
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
>> >every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16
>and
>> >of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
>right?
>> >
>> >The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
>feet
>> >wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
>> >4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half
>of
>> >the shed floor. Is this right?
>> >
>> >This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
>> >floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
>> >(whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>> >
>> >Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
>> >cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>> >
>> >Thanks as always.
>> >
>>
>> (no stain for email)
>
>

Gasoline recently jumped between 10-15 cents in ONE DAY. Reasons
given: a refinery shut down during the NE blackout (produces ~4% of
nations supply; was closed four days), all of a sudden the situation
in Iraq and the middle east is unsettled (where have they been the
last 6 months?); and last but not least - masses of people suddenly
decided to take that long delayed (due to rainy weather) vacation the
week of, or just before their kids go back to school.

Now, I have a bridge for sale if you're interested.

Renata

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:55:43 -0700, spud <midnight@theoasis> wrote:
--snip--
>
>Would their audience like to hear the reason fuel prices (or wood
>prices) are high is becasue maybe we have become so burdened with
>taxes, enviromental and NIMBY law that might have finally become
>irrational?
>
--snip--
>
>Steve

Oh no, you boys both missed the point (at least one point).

I found what the "liberal media" reported outrageously funny. Also
amusing (or is it sad) was the fact that they could say it with a
straight face and that some folks actually believe it.

Renata

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:19:41 GMT, "George"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>SHHHHH! S/he believes what they have to make up to fill airtime on news
>broadcasts.
>
> I find it especially funny when they give "explanations" for daily market
>fluctuations like "the market retreated today on investor fears that the
>good news in consumer goods sales might spur inflation." Or "the market
>advanced on good news that consumer sales were up for July."
>
>"spud" <midnight@theoasis> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Renata:
>>
>> So it's not a conspiracy?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:39:39 GMT, [email protected] (Renata)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Gasoline recently jumped between 10-15 cents in ONE DAY. Reasons
>> >given: a refinery shut down during the NE blackout (produces ~4% of
>> >nations supply; was closed four days), all of a sudden the situation
>> >in Iraq and the middle east is unsettled (where have they been the
>> >last 6 months?); and last but not least - masses of people suddenly
>> >decided to take that long delayed (due to rainy weather) vacation the
>> >week of, or just before their kids go back to school.
>> >
>> >Now, I have a bridge for sale if you're interested.
>> >
>> >Renata
>
>

LOL ... still a helluva bargain.

--
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Last update: 8/24/03

"Leon" wrote in message
> Oups...Maybe $5 a square foot...
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Put this into perspective. You will have a weather tight structure for
> > about $2 a square foot. Compare that to the other weather tight
> structure
> > that you own.

jm wrote, wondering if this is really what he meant?


> If the floor is touching the ground, then I can't use the whitewood, I
> thought. What about gravel? Another person mentioned that to me. When
> exactly must I have PT wood? 2x4s are 2.53 - 5.35 apiece depending on the
> length (non PT). Much cheaper.

There's a couple of different ways.
1. you could pour a footer and lay one course of cinder block then frame
your shed with common lumber. One foot of air circulating under floor.
2. frame the floor off the ground using posts in concrete or anchors. Like a
free standing deck. Air again circulating under floor.
3. Concrete pad, only using PT lumber around the perimeter, (sill plate,
2x6 ) attached with anchors embedded in the concrete when it's poured. Then
just frame the floor with common lumber.

Rich
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK.
Atten: Micro$oft Outlook users, please take me
off of your address books!
Email, remove the DOT

Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 7:31pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (jm) says:
<snip>

Well, it's not as if it grows on trees.

JOAT
No sense in being pessimistic - it wouldn't work anyway.

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 1 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

"Tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
feet
> >wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> >4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half
of
> >the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> Sounds about right to me...6 pieces, yep.
> Someday, it'll all be over....

I am just about ready to buy the prefab shed at HD.

"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jm wrote, wondering if this is really what he meant?
>
> > And please help me with this dimension question.
> >
> > the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
> >
> > Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure
treated:
> >
> > Item
> > Price
> > Quantity
> > Total
> >
> > 6x6
> > $ 30.00
> > 2
> > $ 60.00
> >
> > 2x8x12
> > $ 9.97
> > 14
> > $ 139.58
> >
> > 2x8x16
> > $ 13.39
> > 2
> > $ 26.78
> >
> > 4x8x3/4
> > $ 28.00
> > 6
> > $ 168.00
> >
> >
> >
> > I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> > every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16
and
> > of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
> > right?
> >
> > The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
> > feet wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need
> > three 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other
> > half of
> > the shed floor. Is this right?
> >
> > This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> > floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> > (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
> >
> > Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really
don't
> > cost this much (hopefully not more!)
> >
> > Thanks as always.
>
> Why not build it up off the ground and use so called white wood or pour a
> concrete floor?
>

If the floor is touching the ground, then I can't use the whitewood, I
thought. What about gravel? Another person mentioned that to me. When
exactly must I have PT wood? 2x4s are 2.53 - 5.35 apiece depending on the
length (non PT). Much cheaper.

I just heard an interesting little story on NPR about the cost of plywood.
Apparently the military ordered 750,000 sheets to use in building tent
platforms in Iraq. I wasn't aware of it, but I guess construction grade
plywood has more than doubled in price since December, and the industry is
citing this and "supply shortages" as the reason, as well as plant closures
and a wet season.

They had a builder on the show who didn't see the logic there, since he said
there hasn't been any supply shortage as far as he's seen. Sounds like the
industry just trying to take as much out of the consumer's butts as they
can.

Mike


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:H2s4b.318949$uu5.65790@sccrnsc04...
> And please help me with this dimension question.
>
> the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
> Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
> I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
> of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
right?
>
> The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
feet
> wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
> the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
> Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
> Thanks as always.
>
>

I have revised it:

Item
Price
Quantity
Total

4x4
$ 8.97
3
$ 26.91

2x4x8
$ 2.97
9
$ 26.73

2x4x10
$ 4.19
2
$ 8.38

4x8x3/4
$ 17.00
3
$ 51.00



Total: $ 113.02

The shed is now 10x8 and everything is pressure treated except the plywood
floor. The 4x4s will be set on cynder blocks.

This shed is the "real" size that I need (was 16x12) and is within my
budget. I estimate the rest of the shed to be:

2x4x8
$ 2.61
54
$ 140.94

2x4x8
$ 2.61
6
$ 15.66

2x4x10
$ 3.05
6
$ 18.30



Total: $ 174.90

The shingles and paint will of course be more, but I have to add that to any
shed prefab or not.

So it looks like the total is $287.92 or exactly what a prefab metal shed
costs.

It wil be holding lawn equipment the heaviest item being a riding lawnmore.
I don't know how much it weighs. I can turn it over, so it can't weigh too
much. It is a seventeen year old Snapper. The floor should hold it. The
cynder blocks are 8'' off the ground so I have to figure out some way to
build a strong enough ramp to cover the 8 plus the 4 for the skids, plus the
4 for the 2x4, plus the 3/4 inch floor. I wonder if gravity will soon set
in an hurt the floor at that height. Is that too high?


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:H2s4b.318949$uu5.65790@sccrnsc04...
> And please help me with this dimension question.
>
> the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
> Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
> I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
> of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
right?
>
> The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
feet
> wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
> the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
> Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
> Thanks as always.
>
>

Oups...Maybe $5 a square foot...


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Put this into perspective. You will have a weather tight structure for
> about $2 a square foot. Compare that to the other weather tight
structure
> that you own.
>
>
>
>
>

you're funny!

dave

jm wrote:

> And please help me with this dimension question.
>
> the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
> Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
> I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
> of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this right?
>
> The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12 feet
> wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
> the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
> Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
> Thanks as always.
>
>

In article <H2s4b.318949$uu5.65790@sccrnsc04>, [email protected]
says...
> And please help me with this dimension question.
>
> the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
> Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
> I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
> of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this right?
>
> The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12 feet
> wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half of
> the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
> Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
> Thanks as always.

Sounds about right.
That is one of the reasons that I went with a poured concrete floor for
my 10x12. The other reason was because I didn't want to build a ramp or
step up that much to get into the shed. The concrete floor cost me about
$250-$300 total, which includes the concrete, wood concrete forms,
stakes, rebar, gravel, rental on a couple of floats, and 2 cases of beer.
The beer was payment to a couple friends for the help and was paid AFTER
the job was done.

Can I use 1/2 plywood instead?


"Tom Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> looks about right. You might save a little money if you went with
> exterior grade plywood instead of PT ply. May not need PT if it's up
> off the ground.
>
> You are building a substantial floor structure. If you're thinking of
> going pre-fab to save money just remember you won't be getting a floor
> (if you get one at all) remotely resembling what you're proposing to
> build here.
>
> Quality construction costs $$

Why not the 8'' blocks? I have about 40 of them.
They are the cynder block kind with connector and corner pieces.


"Renata" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Assuming you're going to lay the 6x6s flat (as beams) and the run the
> joists on top? Why 6x6 and not 4x4?
> Ever thought about using some concrete blocks to elevate the wood off
> the ground? (the 4" blocks not 8").
>
> Add a third beam, use 2x6s for joists - cost differential? Could even
> be 24" apart (be careful - depending on what you're storing).
>
> How heavy's the stuff you're storing? I build a shed to use as a
> garage for my motorcycle, and used 4x4 "beams" 4' apart, on 4x8x16
> concrete blocks, and 2x6's joists @ 12" o.c. IIRC. Worked well for
> many years (bike now gone, shed still in fine shape).
>
> You need 13 2x's for the joists ((16' / 16") + 1) unless you're
> doubling up the rim joists, in which case you need 15.
>
> 3/4 T&G subflooring costs $27 a sheet? Is this stuff pressure treated
> (hopefully)?
>
> Renata
>
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:31:51 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >And please help me with this dimension question.
> >
> >the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
> >
> >Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure
treated:
> >
> > Item
> > Price
> > Quantity
> > Total
> >
> > 6x6
> > $ 30.00
> > 2
> > $ 60.00
> >
> > 2x8x12
> > $ 9.97
> > 14
> > $ 139.58
> >
> > 2x8x16
> > $ 13.39
> > 2
> > $ 26.78
> >
> > 4x8x3/4
> > $ 28.00
> > 6
> > $ 168.00
> >
> >
> >
> >I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> >every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16
and
> >of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
right?
> >
> >The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
feet
> >wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> >4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half
of
> >the shed floor. Is this right?
> >
> >This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> >floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> >(whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
> >
> >Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> >cost this much (hopefully not more!)
> >
> >Thanks as always.
> >
>
> (no stain for email)

"Dr. Seuss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip

> They had a builder on the show who didn't see the logic there, since he
said
> there hasn't been any supply shortage as far as he's seen. Sounds like
the
> industry just trying to take as much out of the consumer's butts as they
> can.


Sounds like the industry has learned th tricks of the oil business, claim a
shortage and double the prices.

looks about right. You might save a little money if you went with
exterior grade plywood instead of PT ply. May not need PT if it's up
off the ground.

You are building a substantial floor structure. If you're thinking of
going pre-fab to save money just remember you won't be getting a floor
(if you get one at all) remotely resembling what you're proposing to
build here.

Quality construction costs $$

<snip>
> The shed is now 10x8 and everything is pressure treated except the plywood
> floor. The 4x4s will be set on cynder blocks.
>
> This shed is the "real" size that I need (was 16x12) and is within my
> budget. I estimate the rest of the shed to be:
>
Well that's quite a difference in size, less than half. 10x8 is
pretty small. Mine is 12x8 and I curse the day I decided on that
size, although it was somewhat demanded by location (fit between deck
posts). Once you put a lawn tractor in their, plus the other
miscellaneous yard doo-dads, it will be full. Sheds are like shops,
they can never be too big.

Might want to try to hold off a while and go larger, in the back of my
mind is to build another shed down the hill ...

Re: 1/2" vs 3/4" plywood I have no idea, it all depends on joist
spacing, loading etc. I tend to overbuild so would automatically go
for 3/4" IF did a wood floor. I would personally only do a would
floor as a last resort.

I poured a slab the same time as footers for the deck so it was pretty
cheap since it was just the cost of some extra concrete. If I ever
build that other shed I will likely make a perimeter of railroad ties
until it's level, then fill it in with crusher run and compact it.
You might check the cost of that as well. Around here, crusher run is
$20 a ton (about half a cubic yard) and railroad ties are $8 apiece.
Heck of a lot cheaper than PT 6x6 at what, about $25 each? I prefer
concrete but there is no way to get it down the hill reasonably, and
compacted crusher run is a pretty firm surface.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >And please help me with this dimension question.
>
>
> If you don't like the prices now then wait until winter. Wood is
> usually cheaper in the winter. Look at the price of 1/2 osb. Double
> what it was this winter.
>
> Wes
> >

OSB, something I just learned yesterday, is what the contractors around here
use. It is $15.88 where I live. Do you really think it will go down? When
does this happen?

SHHHHH! S/he believes what they have to make up to fill airtime on news
broadcasts.

I find it especially funny when they give "explanations" for daily market
fluctuations like "the market retreated today on investor fears that the
good news in consumer goods sales might spur inflation." Or "the market
advanced on good news that consumer sales were up for July."

"spud" <midnight@theoasis> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Renata:
>
> So it's not a conspiracy?
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:39:39 GMT, [email protected] (Renata)
> wrote:
>
> >Gasoline recently jumped between 10-15 cents in ONE DAY. Reasons
> >given: a refinery shut down during the NE blackout (produces ~4% of
> >nations supply; was closed four days), all of a sudden the situation
> >in Iraq and the middle east is unsettled (where have they been the
> >last 6 months?); and last but not least - masses of people suddenly
> >decided to take that long delayed (due to rainy weather) vacation the
> >week of, or just before their kids go back to school.
> >
> >Now, I have a bridge for sale if you're interested.
> >
> >Renata

Of course. It's the American way. Lie, cheat and steal. Anything for a buck.
"Dr. Seuss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Sounds like the
> industry just trying to take as much out of the consumer's butts as they
> can.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >And please help me with this dimension question.
>
>
> If you don't like the prices now then wait until winter. Wood is
> usually cheaper in the winter. Look at the price of 1/2 osb. Double
> what it was this winter.
>


I almost went into shock yesterday at Home Depot. The last time I had bought
7/16 osb, it was $5.99 and that was not more than two or three months ago.
Yesterday? $14.99 a sheet. That which I needed? It's still there.


--
JC from Gnat Flats, Texas
Home of the Notso OK Corral

jm wrote, wondering if this is really what he meant?

> And please help me with this dimension question.
>
> the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
>
> Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure treated:
>
> Item
> Price
> Quantity
> Total
>
> 6x6
> $ 30.00
> 2
> $ 60.00
>
> 2x8x12
> $ 9.97
> 14
> $ 139.58
>
> 2x8x16
> $ 13.39
> 2
> $ 26.78
>
> 4x8x3/4
> $ 28.00
> 6
> $ 168.00
>
>
>
> I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16 and
> of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
> right?
>
> The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
> feet wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need
> three 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other
> half of
> the shed floor. Is this right?
>
> This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
>
> Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really don't
> cost this much (hopefully not more!)
>
> Thanks as always.

Why not build it up off the ground and use so called white wood or pour a
concrete floor?

Rich
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but you can't make them THINK.
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off of your address books!
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Renata:

So it's not a conspiracy?

Steve


On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:39:39 GMT, [email protected] (Renata)
wrote:

>Gasoline recently jumped between 10-15 cents in ONE DAY. Reasons
>given: a refinery shut down during the NE blackout (produces ~4% of
>nations supply; was closed four days), all of a sudden the situation
>in Iraq and the middle east is unsettled (where have they been the
>last 6 months?); and last but not least - masses of people suddenly
>decided to take that long delayed (due to rainy weather) vacation the
>week of, or just before their kids go back to school.
>
>Now, I have a bridge for sale if you're interested.
>
>Renata

"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> When
> exactly must I have PT wood?

When you want it to last. If you are in the desert, white wood can last
many years. In a damp climate, I'd use PT or concrete. Even if the floor
is off the ground by a few inches, it is subject to a lot of exposure to
moisture and you can't get under there to paint it.

My original deck was put in by the builder. It was repaired after 4 years,
replaced after 8.
Ed

Around here, if you opted for the concrete floor, you would have to add in
the cost of drawing up the plans and the building permit for the shed. The
wood floor would be MUCH cheaper.
"KS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That is one of the reasons that I went with a poured concrete floor for
> my 10x12. The other reason was because I didn't want to build a ramp or
> step up that much to get into the shed. The concrete floor cost me about
> $250-$300 total, which includes the concrete, wood concrete forms,
> stakes, rebar, gravel, rental on a couple of floats, and 2 cases of beer.
> The beer was payment to a couple friends for the help and was paid AFTER
> the job was done.

Put this into perspective. You will have a weather tight structure for
about $2 a square foot. Compare that to the other weather tight structure
that you own.

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Sounds like the industry has learned th tricks of the oil business, claim a
>shortage and double the prices.


Wow! You paying three bucks a gallon for regular?

Wes

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"JC from Gnat Flats" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I almost went into shock yesterday at Home Depot. The last time I had bought
>7/16 osb, it was $5.99 and that was not more than two or three months ago.
>Yesterday? $14.99 a sheet. That which I needed? It's still there.

Wow. 7/16 was 11.75 this weekend with 1/2 going twelve something.
I'm planning to do some house remodel stuff but now I am waiting until
winter to buy my sheet goods. I'll store in garage for 6 months at
those prices.

Wes

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"JC from Gnat Flats" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I think he just made up a story to make us think he knows his business. The
>WSJ, or USA Today had the real scoobie yesterday. The folks that are doing
>the rebuilding in Iraq, the government in other words, are buying up all the
>"sheet goods" for use over there. They are buying it at the rate of 3
>million bucks per shot. that's a lot of osb taken off the market. Might not
>allow a return to normal prices this winter.
>
>That stinks.

Sure does. I'll keep it in mind if the prices don't drop this winter.

WEs
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I think I am going to get the cheap metal shed.

"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you're funny!
>
> dave
>
> jm wrote:
>
> > And please help me with this dimension question.
> >
> > the shed I am building is 12' wide 16' deep.
> >
> > Here is what I have for materials just for the floor all Pressure
treated:
> >
> > Item
> > Price
> > Quantity
> > Total
> >
> > 6x6
> > $ 30.00
> > 2
> > $ 60.00
> >
> > 2x8x12
> > $ 9.97
> > 14
> > $ 139.58
> >
> > 2x8x16
> > $ 13.39
> > 2
> > $ 26.78
> >
> > 4x8x3/4
> > $ 28.00
> > 6
> > $ 168.00
> >
> >
> >
> > I am guessingon the 2x8x12 at 14 pieces because they are supposed to be
> > every 16'' on center. I took 12x16 and got 192 and divided this by 16
and
> > of course got 12. I then put two rim joists on and got 14. Is this
right?
> >
> > The plywood is the killer. They way I look at it, since the shed is 12
feet
> > wide and since I nail it perpindicular to the joists, then I need three
> > 4x8x3/4'' for one half (three pieces) and three more for the other half
of
> > the shed floor. Is this right?
> >
> > This is a total of $394.36. An enormous price for just the floor. The
> > floor appears to be the most expensive part. All the 2x4s for the rest
> > (whitewood, not pressure treated okay I guess) are from 2.39 - 5.35.
> >
> > Please tell me I did the floor measurements wrong and things really
don't
> > cost this much (hopefully not more!)
> >
> > Thanks as always.
> >
> >
>