Sk

"Swingman"

14/04/2005 6:55 PM

Re: Building kitchen cabinets - any cost savings?

Just for grins, and as if I didn't already have enough to do, I started a
blow-by-blow of the installation of a kitchen, in new residential
construction of mine, on the Projects Journal, page 7, of my web site below.

Those of you who are thinking of doing your own may find it interesting ...
and particularly the many of you who requested copies of the .dwg files and
CutList Plus files, you will be able to see what the actual beast is going
to look like in the flesh.

Still a couple or three weeks from door, drawer and hardware installation,
so stay tuned.

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This topic has 9 replies

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 5:29 AM


"Tom Watson" wrote in message

> Ya know Swing, I really enjoy your website.

Why Thank You!, Tom.

> It's one of those that I keep going back to.

Coming from you, I really appreciate hearing that!

> I like LRod's, too.

Yep .. me too.

> Tommy Plamann's site is always fun to go back to when you haven't been
> there in a while.

I go there for inspiration ... a higher _class_ of inspiration.

> Maybe we should have a thread about good Wrecker's sites.
>
> Mine is out, I only change it about once every two years.
>
> Some guys really keep updating them and include a bunch of useful
> stuff on them.

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PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 2:50 PM

It's hard to tell, but it would appear that the
flooring is NOT finished at this point.

Finishing hardwood floors is gonna be a mess.

How do you handle that in a semi-finished kitchen ???


Pg

Patriarch

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 12:23 AM

Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:55:07 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Just for grins, and as if I didn't already have enough to do, I
>>started a blow-by-blow of the installation of a kitchen, in new
>>residential construction of mine, on the Projects Journal, page 7, of
>>my web site below.
>>
>>Those of you who are thinking of doing your own may find it
>>interesting ... and particularly the many of you who requested copies
>>of the .dwg files and CutList Plus files, you will be able to see what
>>the actual beast is going to look like in the flesh.
>>
>>Still a couple or three weeks from door, drawer and hardware
>>installation, so stay tuned.
>
>
> Ya know Swing, I really enjoy your website.
>
> It's one of those that I keep going back to.
>
> I like LRod's, too.
>
> Tommy Plamann's site is always fun to go back to when you haven't been
> there in a while.
>
> Maybe we should have a thread about good Wrecker's sites.
>
> Mine is out, I only change it about once every two years.
>
> Some guys really keep updating them and include a bunch of useful
> stuff on them.
>
>
>
>
> Tom Watson - WoodDorker
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
>

So start one, but don't hide it in the replies to this thread.

charlie b's site is a good one, and ought to get a mention. Jeff
Gorman's, too.

Hey, didn't we just do one of these?

Patriarch

Pg

Patriarch

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

16/04/2005 12:10 PM

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
> So, besides being the GC, with a tiny shop, and having other things to
> do, having a professional paint contractor who works to spec, follows
> a sanding schedule, is set up to spray lacquer, has a well trained
> crew, can do it in a quarter of the time, and actually makes it
> economically feasible in his bid, why bother?
>

THAT'S the part that earns you the traditional wReck commentary! You suck!

The rest of us are looking at buying $1500 worth of gear, to learn a craft
with new tools and constantly changing chemistry, to say we did it all
ourselves. And 'saved' a few dollars.

Sometimes the math doesn't work...

Patriarch,
hoping no one asks about the economics of _his_ hobby shop...

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

16/04/2005 6:59 AM

"Jason Quick" wrote in message

> So wait...you stain/finish the carcasses on-site? What's the
> rationale/benefits of doing that, as opposed to doing it in the shop?

Good question. Keep in mind, this is not my personal kitchen, so other than
the fact that I have designed, built and installed it, there is little
economic incentive to go past a certain point, to wit: not use a
professional finishing crew who will be there already.

So, besides being the GC, with a tiny shop, and having other things to do,
having a professional paint contractor who works to spec, follows a sanding
schedule, is set up to spray lacquer, has a well trained crew, can do it in
a quarter of the time, and actually makes it economically feasible in his
bid, why bother?

But it ain't always that way ... and just because I _can_ do my own
finishing, doesn't mean I have to. :)

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Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 11:02 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just for grins, and as if I didn't already have enough to do, I started a
> blow-by-blow of the installation of a kitchen, in new residential
> construction of mine, on the Projects Journal, page 7, of my web site below.
>
> Those of you who are thinking of doing your own may find it interesting ...
> and particularly the many of you who requested copies of the .dwg files and
> CutList Plus files, you will be able to see what the actual beast is going
> to look like in the flesh.
>
> Still a couple or three weeks from door, drawer and hardware installation,
> so stay tuned.

Oh yummy!

(Rob drools at all the square footages of granite or e-stone he could
sell there. *S*) Too nice a kitchen for that plastic Corian crap. <G>

I still like the look of face-frame. Who started this European style
cabinetry shit anyways?
I completely agree with your stance on 'zero-loss' cabinets. Spacers
look lazy.

Can't wait to see the finished project.

*tips hat*

Rob

TW

Tom Watson

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

14/04/2005 8:02 PM

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:55:07 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Just for grins, and as if I didn't already have enough to do, I started a
>blow-by-blow of the installation of a kitchen, in new residential
>construction of mine, on the Projects Journal, page 7, of my web site below.
>
>Those of you who are thinking of doing your own may find it interesting ...
>and particularly the many of you who requested copies of the .dwg files and
>CutList Plus files, you will be able to see what the actual beast is going
>to look like in the flesh.
>
>Still a couple or three weeks from door, drawer and hardware installation,
>so stay tuned.


Ya know Swing, I really enjoy your website.

It's one of those that I keep going back to.

I like LRod's, too.

Tommy Plamann's site is always fun to go back to when you haven't been
there in a while.

Maybe we should have a thread about good Wrecker's sites.

Mine is out, I only change it about once every two years.

Some guys really keep updating them and include a bunch of useful
stuff on them.




Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)

JQ

"Jason Quick"

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 10:44 PM

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote :
> "Pat Barber" wrote in message

>> How do you handle that in a semi-finished kitchen ???
>
> The boxes themselves will be installed. Then the carcasses and FF's will
> be
> sanded, stained, sealed and sprayed, with the floors following suit.
> Doors,
> drawer fronts, drawers and add-ons are finished separately and not
> installed
> until the floors are completely done.

So wait...you stain/finish the carcasses on-site? What's the
rationale/benefits of doing that, as opposed to doing it in the shop?

Jason (clueless)

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Swingman" on 14/04/2005 6:55 PM

15/04/2005 7:12 PM

"Pat Barber" wrote in message
> It's hard to tell, but it would appear that the
> flooring is NOT finished at this point.

You're right ... they haven't even been down three days in the kitchen area
at this point.

> Finishing hardwood floors is gonna be a mess.

Construction _is_ a "mess" from day one ... I am always glad when it's final
cleanup time, in more ways than one.

> How do you handle that in a semi-finished kitchen ???

The boxes themselves will be installed. Then the carcasses and FF's will be
sanded, stained, sealed and sprayed, with the floors following suit. Doors,
drawer fronts, drawers and add-ons are finished separately and not installed
until the floors are completely done.

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