jj

"jm"

23/08/2003 2:34 AM

Very confused about my upcoming table saw purchase

I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several

skil saw 3400 $167
Hitach C10RA2 $299
Makita 2703 $299

I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I keep
reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I also
read the last two don't use

"had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"

I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of you
have a saw in this range please let me know.

I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other day I
was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those $99
Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.

Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you to
purchase the compound miter saw.

Thanks for comments.


This topic has 23 replies

Rr

"Rob"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

22/08/2003 9:41 PM

I did some research for my father who did not want to spend more than $400
for a table saw. In my opinion, the Ryobi BT3100 is the best saw available
in that price range.

You can get it at Home Depot for $299. For more info, check out
http://www.bt3central.com/. There are a lot of dedicated users of this saw.

It's not a Unisaw, but it will be very hard to beat for $300.

Good luck!

Rob


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
> have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
>
> skil saw 3400 $167
> Hitach C10RA2 $299
> Makita 2703 $299
>
> I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
keep
> reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
also
> read the last two don't use
>
> "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
>
> I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of you
> have a saw in this range please let me know.
>
> I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other day
I
> was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
$99
> Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
>
> Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
to
> purchase the compound miter saw.
>
> Thanks for comments.
>
>

jj

"jm"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

02/09/2003 1:44 AM


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
> have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
>
> skil saw 3400 $167
> Hitach C10RA2 $299
> Makita 2703 $299
>
> I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
keep
> reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
also
> read the last two don't use
>
> "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
>
> I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of you
> have a saw in this range please let me know.
>
> I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other day
I
> was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
$99
> Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
>
> Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
to
> purchase the compound miter saw.
>
> Thanks for comments.
>
Well, I know I said I was going to get the BT3100, but I saw the Rigid ones
at Home Depot are just a little more and they are belt driven. Isn't that
better?

sJ

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 7:10 AM

Ditto. Ryobi BT3100. This article explains why:

http://www.bt3central.com/files/whybuybt3k.PDF

jD

[email protected] (Davy from Louisiana)

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

03/09/2003 5:35 AM

Why is it so hard to find vendors for the Ryobi BT3100? They aren't
sold at any of the normal online tool vendors that I can find. Anyone
got any links of where to get them at a good price? I'm interested in
purchasing one. By the way, my local Borgs don't have them.

DB

"David Binkowski"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 3:33 AM

I had a real crush on the Hitachi C10RA2 recently. I have changed my
mind back and forth several times on the size and type saw I want to go
with. In that price range, MY money would go for the Hitachi, miter
slots be damned.

--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Never heard much bad about Hitachi; Makita is VERY WELL liked. Pass on
> Skil.
>
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:34:07 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
they
> >have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> >
> >skil saw 3400 $167
> >Hitach C10RA2 $299
> >Makita 2703 $299
> >
> >I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
keep
> >reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
also
> >read the last two don't use
> >
> >"had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> >featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> >
> >I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
you
> >have a saw in this range please let me know.
> >
> >I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
day I
> >was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
$99
> >Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> >
> >Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
to
> >purchase the compound miter saw.
> >
> >Thanks for comments.
> >
>

KM

"Ken M."

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 10:51 AM

I agree with Rob. The BT3100 can't be beat for anywhere near the price.
Any doubts, look at what Dave in Cairns
does with the previous model, the BT3000.
http://www.australianwoodart.com/

Ken



"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
> have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
>
> skil saw 3400 $167
> Hitach C10RA2 $299
> Makita 2703 $299
>
> I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
keep
> reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
also
> read the last two don't use
>
> "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
>
> I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of you
> have a saw in this range please let me know.
>
> I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other day
I
> was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
$99
> Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
>
> Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
to
> purchase the compound miter saw.
>
> Thanks for comments.
>
>

AB

Andrew Barss

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

14/09/2003 5:43 AM

Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:

: I plan to build a bigger shop eventually, but I'm also a gardener, and I
: have dozens of trees, shrubs, bushes and various other things I'm not keen
: on upsetting, so the maximum dimensions of my future shop aren't going to
: be much more than 15x20, if I can manage that much. The BT3100 will
: probably still be about the best fit for a shop that size.


Hmm. My shop is 16x16 (plus another 16x5 room for lumber storage), and I
have a cabinet saw in there, with room to spare (a mobile base makes all
the difference). Plus bandsaw, two lathes, planer, jointer, and DC.

-- Andy Barss

EE

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

30/08/2003 10:06 PM

JM

You can always go with a decent used saw. I liked the BT, I just sold
mine off in pieces. The sliding miter table was nice but VERY fragile
and is a bear to set up.

I just happened across a nice older Craftsman table saw with no rail
system which is PERFECT for what I want to do. Will likely go with
the Incr TS-3a fence and not have to worry about accuracy anymore. I
bought it VERY reasonably.

I considered the BT3100 but didn't want to deal with that miter again.

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

24/08/2003 1:05 AM

jm wrote:

> I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
> have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
>
> skil saw 3400 $167

Dunno about the last two, but I have a Skil 3400. With a lot of work, it's
better than nothing, but only barely. I wouldn't wish this thing on
anyone.

Like I said in a recent post, the best thing about my Skil 3400 is that I
only paid $50 for the thing, new.

If you're getting that close to $200, spend more and get something better.

What defines "better" at this entry level price point? Well, I'll tell you
what I really don't like about mine...

The #1 thing is that it's impossible to make a zero-clearance insert for the
thing without monumental effort. I still haven't come up with a workable
solution that I like, and am seriously thinking of resorting to the "carve
it up with a hack saw and a Dremel" approach if my next idea fails. Since
it's a small saw, and I use it to work on small pieces, not having a
zero-clearance insert is really quite dangerous, and I'm tired of the
kickbacks. I haven't had any major, blood curdling kickbacks, but they're
scary, and almost unavoidable without a zero-clearnace insert when making
small cut-offs.

The #2 thing is that crosscuts are very hard to do well on the thing. The
slots are non-standard, and the stock gauge I'm pretty much stuck using is
very, very sloppy. I've even built a sled-like contraption for the thing,
and still haven't managed better than an "almost" 90. Miters are so bad
that I'm better off not even bothering, so I still use a miter box and back
saw for those.

The #3 thing is that it really sucks not having a crank wheel to adjust the
blade angle. Really, really, really sucks. I had to cut some compound
angle things, and it took me hours to get the blade back at 90-degrees.
I'm never touching it again. I'll build some kind of angle jig or
something, and cut with the blade perpendicular to the table.

On the last score, I've been looking at a Hitachi at Lowe's that has a
dual-function crank on the front, which might be the very saw you're asking
about. That seems to be a lot better than nothing, and in general the saw
looks a lot better than mine. I'm not seriously considering buying it, but
if I were choosing between them, there's no way I'd buy the Skil.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 17310 Approximate word count: 519300
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

BA

Bay Area Dave

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

27/08/2003 3:37 PM

if the shop of your dreams is only 15 x 20, it's no wonder you refer to
a Unisaw as huge! For the record, it weighs less than half what you
think... Why not clear a few trees for a larger shop--you can use them
for future projects!


dave

Silvan wrote:

> jm wrote:
>
>
>>>$$. So that's my opinion, for whatever it's (not) worth!
>>
>>I decided. I'm getting the BT3100.
>
>
> Me too, FWIW. Probably not for a bit yet, but that looks like a good fit
> for my shop, and volumes have been written about getting the most out of
> the thing.
>
> I plan to build a bigger shop eventually, but I'm also a gardener, and I
> have dozens of trees, shrubs, bushes and various other things I'm not keen
> on upsetting, so the maximum dimensions of my future shop aren't going to
> be much more than 15x20, if I can manage that much. The BT3100 will
> probably still be about the best fit for a shop that size.
>

AB

"Alan Bierbaum"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

27/08/2003 5:32 PM

I missed the OP; so I am replying here. You can get a lot of stuff
(including unisaw) in a 15x20 shop. Check my shop at

http://www.calanb.com/shop.html


--
Alan Bierbaum

Web Site: http://www.calanb.com
Recent Project Page: http://www.calanb.com/recent.html
Workbench project: http://www.calanb.com/wbench.html


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:QX33b.212321$Oz4.55823@rwcrnsc54...
>
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > jm wrote:
> >
> > >> $$. So that's my opinion, for whatever it's (not) worth!
> > >
> > > I decided. I'm getting the BT3100.
> >
> > Me too, FWIW. Probably not for a bit yet, but that looks like a good
fit
> > for my shop, and volumes have been written about getting the most out of
> > the thing.
> >
> > I plan to build a bigger shop eventually, but I'm also a gardener, and I
> > have dozens of trees, shrubs, bushes and various other things I'm not
keen
> > on upsetting, so the maximum dimensions of my future shop aren't going
to
> > be much more than 15x20, if I can manage that much. The BT3100 will
> > probably still be about the best fit for a shop that size.
> >
>
> I am saving up now myself. Ebaying everything I own.
>
>

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

27/08/2003 1:33 AM

jm wrote:

>> $$. So that's my opinion, for whatever it's (not) worth!
>
> I decided. I'm getting the BT3100.

Me too, FWIW. Probably not for a bit yet, but that looks like a good fit
for my shop, and volumes have been written about getting the most out of
the thing.

I plan to build a bigger shop eventually, but I'm also a gardener, and I
have dozens of trees, shrubs, bushes and various other things I'm not keen
on upsetting, so the maximum dimensions of my future shop aren't going to
be much more than 15x20, if I can manage that much. The BT3100 will
probably still be about the best fit for a shop that size.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 17361 Approximate word count: 520830
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Rl

Ramsey

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

22/08/2003 10:29 PM

Never heard much bad about Hitachi; Makita is VERY WELL liked. Pass on
Skil.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:34:07 GMT, "jm" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them they
>have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
>
>skil saw 3400 $167
>Hitach C10RA2 $299
>Makita 2703 $299
>
>I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I keep
>reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I also
>read the last two don't use
>
>"had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
>featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
>
>I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of you
>have a saw in this range please let me know.
>
>I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other day I
>was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those $99
>Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
>
>Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you to
>purchase the compound miter saw.
>
>Thanks for comments.
>

jj

"jm"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

31/08/2003 2:16 AM

I can't afford that one! I meant the 10' one.


"Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My neighbor down the street has a Ryobi. I just smile at him when I am
> resawing hickory with full 3.5" blade height without even slowing down the
> motor on my 3 hp Grizzly cabinet saw. He likes his Ryobi, but he does
> understand the limitations. The Grizzly has been an outstanding saw,
great
> fit and finish. No complaints.
>
> Montyhp
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Pw94b.309601$YN5.212634@sccrnsc01...
> > Okay, I know I said I was gonna get that Ryobi BT3100 and I probably
still
> > will, but are Grizzly tools any good? They look similarly priced.
> >
> >
> > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
> they
> > > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> > >
> > > skil saw 3400 $167
> > > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > > Makita 2703 $299
> > >
> > > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws
I
> > keep
> > > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
> > also
> > > read the last two don't use
> > >
> > > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the
usual
> > > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> > >
> > > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
> you
> > > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> > >
> > > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
> day
> > I
> > > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of
those
> > $99
> > > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> > >
> > > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want
you
> > to
> > > purchase the compound miter saw.
> > >
> > > Thanks for comments.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

04/09/2003 7:18 AM

Other than cut depth, why?
"Peter Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Belt drive IS better,

BS

"Ben Siders"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

03/09/2003 2:41 PM

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:35:01 -0700, Davy from Louisiana wrote:

> Why is it so hard to find vendors for the Ryobi BT3100? They aren't
> sold at any of the normal online tool vendors that I can find. Anyone
> got any links of where to get them at a good price? I'm interested in
> purchasing one. By the way, my local Borgs don't have them.

I had this problem, too, and was unable to find one anywhere. The closest
I could find was the Home Depot web site, so I just drove to the store
and, lo and behold, they had them! They didn't have one on display, I had
to ask the monkey at the counter and he didn't know and he asked the tool
manager and he didn't know and they looked in the computer and they had an
SKU for them, so they checked their stock and found one for me. That's
the only place I've been able to find them. Mine was $299 at Home Despot.

jj

"jm"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 6:28 PM

Sorry, I saw that it does. Thanks everyone. I think this is the one.


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xlO1b.236574$YN5.159951@sccrnsc01...
> Does it come with the table?
>
>
> "Ken M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > jm,
> > I forgot to mention that the $99 accessory kit is currently available on
> > E-bay for $33, and that includes shipping. See
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11705&item=2342264604
> > See http://www.bt3central.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3573&whichpage=1
> for
> > an explanation for the great price.
> > ken
> >
> >
> >
> > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I saw this:
> > >
> > > "This time, however, the most popular of those upgrades, including a
> > router
> > > mounting kit, dado throat plate, miter clamping kit, and sliding miter
> > > table, are available in a single package for $99. The saw itself sells
> for
> > > $299 at Home Depot."
> > >
> > > Do I need to get the $99 extras to cut rafters?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ken M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I agree with Rob. The BT3100 can't be beat for anywhere near the
> price.
> > > > Any doubts, look at what Dave in Cairns
> > > > does with the previous model, the BT3000.
> > > > http://www.australianwoodart.com/
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > > > > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about
> them
> > > they
> > > > > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at
several
> > > > >
> > > > > skil saw 3400 $167
> > > > > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > > > > Makita 2703 $299
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two
> saws
> > I
> > > > keep
> > > > > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on
vibration.
> I
> > > > also
> > > > > read the last two don't use
> > > > >
> > > > > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the
> > usual
> > > > > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> > > > >
> > > > > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if
any
> of
> > > you
> > > > > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the
> other
> > > day
> > > > I
> > > > > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of
> > those
> > > > $99
> > > > > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they
want
> > you
> > > > to
> > > > > purchase the compound miter saw.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for comments.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

nn

nuk

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 1:49 PM

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:46:14 GMT, jm <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What's a Unisaw?

It is Delta's cabinet saw. Pretty much the 'standard' that most people
refer to when comparing relative merits of various models of saws. Note
I didn't necessarily say the 'best', or the 'best buy', as that is a
fairly subjective (and oft debated) personal opinion that everyone has
to decide for themselves. Rough price range is something like
$1500-1700, give or take depending on options.

HTH,

nuk



--
I know more than enough *nix to do some very destructive things,
and not nearly enough to do very many useful things.

DB

"David Binkowski"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

03/09/2003 11:00 PM

If any of you have a Sears by you (and I'll bet you do) you can
buy it under the Craftsman label. Stationary table saw. Its made
by Ryobi but isn't that irritating blue and yellow color.

I think they recently ran it on sale for the same $299 price that
Home Despot had it for. Prior to that, Sears was charging $450
for it !!!


--
The software said it ran under Windows 98/NT/2000, or better.
So I installed it on Linux...
"Peter Fox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Belt drive IS better, but the 3100 IS belt driven.
>
> Personally, I was a little dissappointed in the torque I get from my 3100
> but perhaps I just need to buy a good blade for it. A lot of people swear
by
> the 3100! I'm still holding off judgement.
>
> Peter
>
>
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:2CS4b.327147$o%2.151062@sccrnsc02...
> >
> > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
> they
> > > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> > >
> > > skil saw 3400 $167
> > > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > > Makita 2703 $299
> > >
> > > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws
I
> > keep
> > > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
> > also
> > > read the last two don't use
> > >
> > > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the
usual
> > > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> > >
> > > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
> you
> > > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> > >
> > > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
> day
> > I
> > > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of
those
> > $99
> > > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> > >
> > > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want
you
> > to
> > > purchase the compound miter saw.
> > >
> > > Thanks for comments.
> > >
> > Well, I know I said I was going to get the BT3100, but I saw the Rigid
> ones
> > at Home Depot are just a little more and they are belt driven. Isn't
that
> > better?
> >
> >
>
>

KM

"Ken M."

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 2:03 PM

jm,
I forgot to mention that the $99 accessory kit is currently available on
E-bay for $33, and that includes shipping. See
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11705&item=2342264604
See http://www.bt3central.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3573&whichpage=1 for
an explanation for the great price.
ken



"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I saw this:
>
> "This time, however, the most popular of those upgrades, including a
router
> mounting kit, dado throat plate, miter clamping kit, and sliding miter
> table, are available in a single package for $99. The saw itself sells for
> $299 at Home Depot."
>
> Do I need to get the $99 extras to cut rafters?
>
>
> "Ken M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I agree with Rob. The BT3100 can't be beat for anywhere near the price.
> > Any doubts, look at what Dave in Cairns
> > does with the previous model, the BT3000.
> > http://www.australianwoodart.com/
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
> they
> > > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> > >
> > > skil saw 3400 $167
> > > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > > Makita 2703 $299
> > >
> > > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws
I
> > keep
> > > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
> > also
> > > read the last two don't use
> > >
> > > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the
usual
> > > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> > >
> > > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
> you
> > > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> > >
> > > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
> day
> > I
> > > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of
those
> > $99
> > > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> > >
> > > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want
you
> > to
> > > purchase the compound miter saw.
> > >
> > > Thanks for comments.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mm

"Montyhp"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

30/08/2003 9:35 PM

My neighbor down the street has a Ryobi. I just smile at him when I am
resawing hickory with full 3.5" blade height without even slowing down the
motor on my 3 hp Grizzly cabinet saw. He likes his Ryobi, but he does
understand the limitations. The Grizzly has been an outstanding saw, great
fit and finish. No complaints.

Montyhp
"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Pw94b.309601$YN5.212634@sccrnsc01...
> Okay, I know I said I was gonna get that Ryobi BT3100 and I probably still
> will, but are Grizzly tools any good? They look similarly priced.
>
>
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
they
> > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> >
> > skil saw 3400 $167
> > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > Makita 2703 $299
> >
> > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
> keep
> > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
> also
> > read the last two don't use
> >
> > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> >
> > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
you
> > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> >
> > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
day
> I
> > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
> $99
> > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> >
> > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
> to
> > purchase the compound miter saw.
> >
> > Thanks for comments.
> >
> >
>
>

PF

"Peter Fox"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

03/09/2003 5:16 AM

Belt drive IS better, but the 3100 IS belt driven.

Personally, I was a little dissappointed in the torque I get from my 3100
but perhaps I just need to buy a good blade for it. A lot of people swear by
the 3100! I'm still holding off judgement.

Peter


"jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2CS4b.327147$o%2.151062@sccrnsc02...
>
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about them
they
> > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> >
> > skil saw 3400 $167
> > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > Makita 2703 $299
> >
> > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two saws I
> keep
> > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration. I
> also
> > read the last two don't use
> >
> > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the usual
> > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> >
> > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any of
you
> > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> >
> > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the other
day
> I
> > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of those
> $99
> > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> >
> > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want you
> to
> > purchase the compound miter saw.
> >
> > Thanks for comments.
> >
> Well, I know I said I was going to get the BT3100, but I saw the Rigid
ones
> at Home Depot are just a little more and they are belt driven. Isn't that
> better?
>
>

jj

"jm"

in reply to "jm" on 23/08/2003 2:34 AM

23/08/2003 6:26 PM

Does it come with the table?


"Ken M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jm,
> I forgot to mention that the $99 accessory kit is currently available on
> E-bay for $33, and that includes shipping. See
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11705&item=2342264604
> See http://www.bt3central.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3573&whichpage=1
for
> an explanation for the great price.
> ken
>
>
>
> "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I saw this:
> >
> > "This time, however, the most popular of those upgrades, including a
> router
> > mounting kit, dado throat plate, miter clamping kit, and sliding miter
> > table, are available in a single package for $99. The saw itself sells
for
> > $299 at Home Depot."
> >
> > Do I need to get the $99 extras to cut rafters?
> >
> >
> > "Ken M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I agree with Rob. The BT3100 can't be beat for anywhere near the
price.
> > > Any doubts, look at what Dave in Cairns
> > > does with the previous model, the BT3000.
> > > http://www.australianwoodart.com/
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "jm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:yoA1b.230979$YN5.156155@sccrnsc01...
> > > > I am shopping and found several saws, but everytime I read about
them
> > they
> > > > have something that somebody doesnn't like. I am looking at several
> > > >
> > > > skil saw 3400 $167
> > > > Hitach C10RA2 $299
> > > > Makita 2703 $299
> > > >
> > > > I know I know. You get what you pay for. But on these last two
saws
> I
> > > keep
> > > > reading about the miter being off. The other cheaper on vibration.
I
> > > also
> > > > read the last two don't use
> > > >
> > > > "had a non-standard miter slot. Only later did I discover that the
> usual
> > > > featherboards, tapering jigs, etc"
> > > >
> > > > I know you all get tired probably of getting asked this, but if any
of
> > you
> > > > have a saw in this range please let me know.
> > > >
> > > > I have a neighbor, retired, has woodworked for 30+ years and the
other
> > day
> > > I
> > > > was in his shop. I could not believe that I saw him using one of
> those
> > > $99
> > > > Craftsman table saws. And he makes what he needs with it.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the miter stuff is off because it can't be right and they want
> you
> > > to
> > > > purchase the compound miter saw.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for comments.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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