I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get clogged
so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on it, I
started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that it's because
I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one of those
"rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I be changing
the speed of the belt?
Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to a
fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper when it
was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over night and it
was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure washed it. Looks
good and came out fine,
If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait until
m molder gets in...
HotRod wrote:
> I'm actually just using the machine for a house trim project right now but
> do not have a dust collector connected to it. I've been suing my shop Vac,
> which seems to be catching 80% of the saw dust because nothing is coming out
> the other side. With that being said maybe the dust is getting stuck to the
> paper and not going anywhere.
>
you need to get a real dust collector. Why risk ruining that nice
machine, expensive paper and your molding? The shop vac isn't doing a
good job. Therefore, dust gets left on the paper. Then the drum rolls
around and now you are sanding with a layer of sawdust between the
board and paper.. It gets ground into the paper.
Look in your manual and see what CFM dust collector you need and buy
it. Don't be foolish and try to get by with a shop vac. I'm surprised
you haven't seen burns in your paper or wood.
I'm actually just using the machine for a house trim project right now but
do not have a dust collector connected to it. I've been suing my shop Vac,
which seems to be catching 80% of the saw dust because nothing is coming out
the other side. With that being said maybe the dust is getting stuck to the
paper and not going anywhere.
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I assume you got a major league dust collector hooked up
> to this ???
>
> HotRod wrote:
>
> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum
> sander to get clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum
> sander with 80 grit paper on it.
Sorry ...
1) I was using a shop Vacuum to catch the small sawdust that the machine was
making and when I mentioned that nothing was coming out the end, I meant the
end of the drum sander. The vacuum is sucking up a ton of sawdust and I'm
constantly cleaning it.
2) I took everyones advice and when I picked up my ne wplanner/molder I also
got a 6" dust collector. Despite all of the vacuum the drums are still
clogging. I think it has more to do with the wood and "sap" than anything
else.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I had a similar problem with Eastern white pine. The wood contains more
>resin than the other trees.
> I had air dried the pine for about 16 months with stringers in between
> boards. Now the pine has been air dried for close to 36 - 40 months and
> the sand paper does not get as clogged as before. Also my surface planer
> table, rollers and knifes are getting impregnated with pine resin. In
> this case I use wood alcohol to remove the resin. As for the sand paper
> the best I could come out with is to use a no-fill sand paper and to clean
> it with a Crepe Block.
> You should contact Norton, Mirka and 3 M directly and ask for their input.
> They have reps. that go from one industrial wood shop to another. They
> may have a better solution especially for a 25" Duel drum sander with 80
> grit paper and I assumed that you use it for mass production.
>
> "HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
>> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on
>> it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that
>> it's because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one
>> of those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I
>> be changing the speed of the belt?
>>
>> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to
>> a fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper
>> when it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over
>> night and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure
>> washed it. Looks good and came out fine,
>>
>> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
>> until m molder gets in...
>>
>
>
I had a similar problem with Eastern white pine. The wood contains more
resin than the other trees.
I had air dried the pine for about 16 months with stringers in between
boards. Now the pine has been air dried for close to 36 - 40 months and the
sand paper does not get as clogged as before. Also my surface planer table,
rollers and knifes are getting impregnated with pine resin. In this case I
use wood alcohol to remove the resin. As for the sand paper the best I
could come out with is to use a no-fill sand paper and to clean it with a
Crepe Block.
You should contact Norton, Mirka and 3 M directly and ask for their input.
They have reps. that go from one industrial wood shop to another. They may
have a better solution especially for a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit
paper and I assumed that you use it for mass production.
"HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on
> it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that it's
> because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one of
> those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I be
> changing the speed of the belt?
>
> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to a
> fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper when
> it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over night
> and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure washed
> it. Looks good and came out fine,
>
> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
> until m molder gets in...
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Would wood alcohol do the same thing?
>
> "Earl Creel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:dU%[email protected]...
>> Yup pine is bad about loading your abrasive. When I get excessive
>> loading I shut the machine down, unplug it, lift the lid and squirt a
>> little mineral spirits on the buildup followed immediately with a wire
>> brush scrubbing..
Not really. Alcohol doesn't dissolve resins (or oils) like mineral spirits
can. I'd mention why, but I've taken heavy flak in the past for mentioning
Chemistry.
Use the brass-bristle flux brushes from the home center.
I just finish talking to MIrka sales manager for Canada for my own stuff.
At the same time I mentioned about your problem.
He states that there is not too much you can do with pine lumber.
He suggested that a factory applied zinc stearate coating on sanding belt or
drum might help. See http://www.ndcinfrared.com/NewsView.aspx?id=21 The
other suggestion is to try a semi open coat sanding belt or drum.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> When I am faced with this resin problem with Eastern Pine (unpainted), I
> try to minimize the sanding.
>
> I use my small 12½ surface planer and only remove the very minimum
> thinness at one time.
>
> When the knifes are in good condition the results are very good. At the
> end of the day I still have to clean the sap from the knifes, rollers and
> table.
>
> When I am restoring vintage lumber or painted/varnished wood. Then I
> remove all nails and fasteners visible to the naked eyes.
>
> Then I use a hand scrapper (with heat) to remove the finish. Depending on
> the surface condition of the wood, I check it with a metal detector, use a
> belt sander or run it through the surface planer. Although I use a metal
> detector, I still end up with damaged planer blades from time to time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Sorry ...
>>
>> 1) I was using a shop Vacuum to catch the small sawdust that the machine
>> was making and when I mentioned that nothing was coming out the end, I
>> meant the end of the drum sander. The vacuum is sucking up a ton of
>> sawdust and I'm constantly cleaning it.
>>
>> 2) I took everyones advice and when I picked up my ne wplanner/molder I
>> also got a 6" dust collector. Despite all of the vacuum the drums are
>> still clogging. I think it has more to do with the wood and "sap" than
>> anything else.
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I had a similar problem with Eastern white pine. The wood contains more
>>>resin than the other trees.
>>> I had air dried the pine for about 16 months with stringers in between
>>> boards. Now the pine has been air dried for close to 36 - 40 months and
>>> the sand paper does not get as clogged as before. Also my surface
>>> planer table, rollers and knifes are getting impregnated with pine
>>> resin. In this case I use wood alcohol to remove the resin. As for the
>>> sand paper the best I could come out with is to use a no-fill sand paper
>>> and to clean it with a Crepe Block.
>>> You should contact Norton, Mirka and 3 M directly and ask for their
>>> input. They have reps. that go from one industrial wood shop to another.
>>> They may have a better solution especially for a 25" Duel drum sander
>>> with 80 grit paper and I assumed that you use it for mass production.
>>>
>>> "HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
>>>> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper
>>>> on it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming
>>>> that it's because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also
>>>> using one of those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things
>>>> clean. Should I be changing the speed of the belt?
>>>>
>>>> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking
>>>> to a fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand
>>>> paper when it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water
>>>> over night and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and
>>>> pressure washed it. Looks good and came out fine,
>>>>
>>>> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
>>>> until m molder gets in...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Thanks for the information, I'll try mineral spirit the next time.
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Would wood alcohol do the same thing?
>>
>> "Earl Creel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:dU%[email protected]...
>>> Yup pine is bad about loading your abrasive. When I get excessive
>>> loading I shut the machine down, unplug it, lift the lid and squirt a
>>> little mineral spirits on the buildup followed immediately with a wire
>>> brush scrubbing..
>
> Not really. Alcohol doesn't dissolve resins (or oils) like mineral
> spirits can. I'd mention why, but I've taken heavy flak in the past for
> mentioning Chemistry.
>
> Use the brass-bristle flux brushes from the home center.
I have a shop vac, a dust collector and cyclone.
My shop vac will keep up with small job collecting micro dust from sanding
as long as the filter is keep clean.
More so I bought a special cotton bag to go over the top of the bottom
canister shielding the filter to increase its longevity and efficiency.
This way the air exhausting out of the vac is not carrying as much micro
dust into the rest of the garage or room.
As for the dust collecting system its only good to collect micro dust under
a well designed hood using 4" flexible ducting.
When he said that nothing is coming out on the other side I suspect that no
vacuum action is taking place.
Either the vac filter is clogged or the collecting hose/conduits are
blocked.
The other thing is what is mean by "house trim project".
Are the trims on bare wood or painted. Is the paint latex or oil. Latex
paint is the worst thing to remove by sanding. It will for sure clog any
sand paper.
When this is the case I scrape the paint with a sharp scrapper and sometime
a heat gun before sanding.
I'm actually just using the machine for a house trim project right now but
> do not have a dust collector connected to it. I've been suing my shop Vac,
> which seems to be catching 80% of the saw dust because nothing is coming
> out
> the other side. With that being said maybe the dust is getting stuck to
> the
> paper and not going anywhere
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All the larger sanders "require" full blown DC for
> "any" operation.
>
> Sanders are the "king" of dust creation.
>
> A shop vac could never keep up with that.
>
> HotRod wrote:
>
>> I'm actually just using the machine for a house trim project right now
>> but do not have a dust collector connected to it.
Yup pine is bad about loading your abrasive. When I get excessive loading I
shut the machine down, unplug it, lift the lid and squirt a little mineral
spirits on the buildup followed immediately with a wire brush scrubbing..
Cleans the abrasive real good. I work across the drum doing small areas at
a time. When mineral spirits have all evaporated I go back to work. If you
try this be careful not to get carried away with the mineral spirits and
create excessive fume buildup.
Earl Creel
"HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on
> it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that it's
> because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one of
> those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I be
> changing the speed of the belt?
>
> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to a
> fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper when
> it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over night
> and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure washed
> it. Looks good and came out fine,
>
> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
> until m molder gets in...
>
Would wood alcohol do the same thing?
"Earl Creel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:dU%[email protected]...
> Yup pine is bad about loading your abrasive. When I get excessive loading
> I shut the machine down, unplug it, lift the lid and squirt a little
> mineral spirits on the buildup followed immediately with a wire brush
> scrubbing.. Cleans the abrasive real good. I work across the drum doing
> small areas at a time. When mineral spirits have all evaporated I go back
> to work. If you try this be careful not to get carried away with the
> mineral spirits and create excessive fume buildup.
> Earl Creel
>
> "HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
>> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on
>> it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that
>> it's because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one
>> of those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I
>> be changing the speed of the belt?
>>
>> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to
>> a fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper
>> when it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over
>> night and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure
>> washed it. Looks good and came out fine,
>>
>> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
>> until m molder gets in...
>>
>
>
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:12:34 -0500, "HotRod" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get clogged
>so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on it, I
>started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that it's because
>I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one of those
>"rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I be changing
>the speed of the belt?
On my shop built sander I had problems with some pine, I'm not exactly
sure what kind of pine as it was reclaimed stuff from an old piece of
furniture, it had a lot of pitch though. I was using klingspor
sterated paper and it gummed up real quick. I found the stick cleaner
to be pretty ineffective in getting it off by itself, but I could tap
on the built up areas with a screwdriver and most of it would flake
off pretty easily. Then the stick would take off anything that was
loose. Time consuming though. Doesn't happen with non-resinous
stuff.
-Leuf
When I am faced with this resin problem with Eastern Pine (unpainted), I try
to minimize the sanding.
I use my small 12½ surface planer and only remove the very minimum thinness
at one time.
When the knifes are in good condition the results are very good. At the end
of the day I still have to clean the sap from the knifes, rollers and table.
When I am restoring vintage lumber or painted/varnished wood. Then I remove
all nails and fasteners visible to the naked eyes.
Then I use a hand scrapper (with heat) to remove the finish. Depending on
the surface condition of the wood, I check it with a metal detector, use a
belt sander or run it through the surface planer. Although I use a metal
detector, I still end up with damaged planer blades from time to time.
"HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sorry ...
>
> 1) I was using a shop Vacuum to catch the small sawdust that the machine
> was making and when I mentioned that nothing was coming out the end, I
> meant the end of the drum sander. The vacuum is sucking up a ton of
> sawdust and I'm constantly cleaning it.
>
> 2) I took everyones advice and when I picked up my ne wplanner/molder I
> also got a 6" dust collector. Despite all of the vacuum the drums are
> still clogging. I think it has more to do with the wood and "sap" than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I had a similar problem with Eastern white pine. The wood contains more
>>resin than the other trees.
>> I had air dried the pine for about 16 months with stringers in between
>> boards. Now the pine has been air dried for close to 36 - 40 months and
>> the sand paper does not get as clogged as before. Also my surface planer
>> table, rollers and knifes are getting impregnated with pine resin. In
>> this case I use wood alcohol to remove the resin. As for the sand paper
>> the best I could come out with is to use a no-fill sand paper and to
>> clean it with a Crepe Block.
>> You should contact Norton, Mirka and 3 M directly and ask for their
>> input. They have reps. that go from one industrial wood shop to another.
>> They may have a better solution especially for a 25" Duel drum sander
>> with 80 grit paper and I assumed that you use it for mass production.
>>
>> "HotRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I'm just wonder if it's normal for the paper on a drum sander to get
>>> clogged so quick? I'm using a 25" Duel drum sander with 80 grit paper on
>>> it, I started with rough pine that was planed down. I'm assuming that
>>> it's because I'm using pine but just wanted to check. I'm also using one
>>> of those "rubber" de-gumming sticks? to help keep things clean. Should I
>>> be changing the speed of the belt?
>>>
>>> Also how many people here are washing their sand paper? I was talking to
>>> a fellow last week who suggested just pressure washing the sand paper
>>> when it was "done", so I took a roll and let it soak in hot water over
>>> night and it was still fine so I put it on the shop floor and pressure
>>> washed it. Looks good and came out fine,
>>>
>>> If you think I ahve a lot of questions about the drum sander just wait
>>> until m molder gets in...
>>>
>>
>>
>
>