Hello All,
I finished my curly cherry bed a few weeks ago (and I will post
pictures as soon as I figure out how) and now I started on a matching
set of night stands. I have several feet of 12 inch wide cherry for
the top (resawn from an 8/4 x 12 inch board) but my plans call for 18
x 18 so I was going to make a mitered border (3 inch wide) of some
contrasting wood. My choices are bloodwood or walnut. The bloodwood
is my preference but I was concerned that when I sand the glued up top
I might get bloodwood sanddust impregnated in the cherry without any
easy remedy for its removal. Also, since the densities of the two
woods are so different, would I notice any post assembly deficiencies?
As an aside, I was machining the bloodwood along with the cherry to
maintain uniformity and the contrast of the two woods was so
noticeable.
I did some minor work on ipe before - mostly crosscutting, ripping,
and routing - but this is the first time I did any major machining of
a very dense and heavy wood. Looking forward to more bloodwood
projects in the future.
Marc
>
> Very probably...mitered border pieces on another piece of solid wood
> are never a good idea. On plywood, yes..solid wood no.
>
> The alternative is "breadboard ends". Border the lengths of the top
> slab with solid then add ends so they overlap those borders. The ends
> need to be attached so that the top piece can expand/contract; a
> sliding dovetail works well with a single screw in the center of the
> end into the top. No glue. It is usual to cut a quirk (narrow groove
> or chamfer) on the ends of the long borders where the end borders
> adjoin them so that when the end borders move in/out with the top
> piece that movement is not noticeable.
>
> Or, just border the two long sides of the top.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
Hey Dadi-OH,
That's one idea I never thought of. The breadboard idea was tossed
around but lost out to the mitered appearance, however, making the
cherry 18 inches long and then adding the bloodwood border would be
more appealing (and easier to construct!) In fact, I had laid out
the boards that way on my workbench but was not cognizant enough to
see that as a "finished" pattern. Thanks for that suggestion.
But getting back to the sand dust concern; could this be a problem to
contend with? Any chance of bleed once finish is applied?
marc rosen wrote:
> Hello All,
> I finished my curly cherry bed a few weeks ago (and I will post
> pictures as soon as I figure out how) and now I started on a
> matching set of night stands. I have several feet of 12 inch wide
> cherry for the top (resawn from an 8/4 x 12 inch board) but my
> plans call for 18 x 18 so I was going to make a mitered border (3
> inch wide) of some contrasting wood. My choices are bloodwood or
> walnut. The bloodwood is my preference but I was concerned that
> when I sand the glued up top I might get bloodwood sanddust
> impregnated in the cherry without any easy remedy for its removal.
> Also, since the densities of the two woods are so different, would
> I notice any post assembly deficiencies?
Very probably...mitered border pieces on another piece of solid wood
are never a good idea. On plywood, yes..solid wood no.
The alternative is "breadboard ends". Border the lengths of the top
slab with solid then add ends so they overlap those borders. The ends
need to be attached so that the top piece can expand/contract; a
sliding dovetail works well with a single screw in the center of the
end into the top. No glue. It is usual to cut a quirk (narrow groove
or chamfer) on the ends of the long borders where the end borders
adjoin them so that when the end borders move in/out with the top
piece that movement is not noticeable.
Or, just border the two long sides of the top.
--
dadiOH
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marc rosen <[email protected]> wrote in news:1186667342.112899.164620
@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
<snip>
> But getting back to the sand dust concern; could this be a problem to
> contend with? Any chance of bleed once finish is applied?
>
Try a sample or two with a wash coat of dewaxed shellac on the cherry...
Patriarch
"marc rosen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello All,
> I finished my curly cherry bed a few weeks ago (and I will post
> pictures as soon as I figure out how) and now I started on a matching
> set of night stands. I have several feet of 12 inch wide cherry for
> the top (resawn from an 8/4 x 12 inch board) but my plans call for 18
> x 18 so I was going to make a mitered border (3 inch wide) of some
> contrasting wood. My choices are bloodwood or walnut. The bloodwood
> is my preference but I was concerned that when I sand the glued up top
> I might get bloodwood sanddust impregnated in the cherry without any
> easy remedy for its removal. Also, since the densities of the two
> woods are so different, would I notice any post assembly deficiencies?
> As an aside, I was machining the bloodwood along with the cherry to
> maintain uniformity and the contrast of the two woods was so
> noticeable.
> I did some minor work on ipe before - mostly crosscutting, ripping,
> and routing - but this is the first time I did any major machining of
> a very dense and heavy wood. Looking forward to more bloodwood
> projects in the future.
>
> Marc
run it through a wide belt sander with good dust collection. i did a red
oak/bloodwood, finished with shellac, and had no bleedthrough on either the
sanding or finishing.
pictures at
http://groups.msn.com/chaniarts/woodworking.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=374
http://groups.msn.com/chaniarts/woodworking.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=375
regards,
charlie
http://glassartists.org/chaniarts
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:37:32 -0700, marc rosen <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hello All,
>I finished my curly cherry bed a few weeks ago (and I will post
>pictures as soon as I figure out how) and now I started on a matching
>set of night stands. I have several feet of 12 inch wide cherry for
>the top (resawn from an 8/4 x 12 inch board) but my plans call for 18
>x 18 so I was going to make a mitered border (3 inch wide) of some
>contrasting wood. My choices are bloodwood or walnut. The bloodwood
>is my preference but I was concerned that when I sand the glued up top
>I might get bloodwood sanddust impregnated in the cherry without any
>easy remedy for its removal.
This hasn't been a problem for me, but the bloodwood can bleed
depending on the finish. I haven't had a problem with varnishes like
General Finishes Arm-R-Seal, but I did have big problems with shellac.
>Also, since the densities of the two
>woods are so different, would I notice any post assembly deficiencies?
The other poster already mentioned the issues with mitering around a
solid board. The main difference assembly wise would be that if you
have a joint the bloodwood just isn't going to compress as much. So
the same setup on the cherry might produce a working joint but not be
able to get it together with the bloodwood.
>As an aside, I was machining the bloodwood along with the cherry to
>maintain uniformity and the contrast of the two woods was so
>noticeable.
A little goes a long way. I think a 3" wide border around a 12"
center would be too much. If the cherry is really nice curly stuff
I'd want it to be the center of attention, and it's just not going to
get noticed with that bloodwood screaming "Look at me!" all around it.
I would probably just glue up 18x18 tops of the cherry if there was
enough, or go with the walnut.
>I did some minor work on ipe before - mostly crosscutting, ripping,
>and routing - but this is the first time I did any major machining of
>a very dense and heavy wood. Looking forward to more bloodwood
>projects in the future.
I'll say this much, it brings scroll saw blades to an early demise :)
Also the sandpaper on my drum sander. If padauk held its color I'd
never go near the bloodwood, so much easier to work with.
-Leuf