Maybe it escapes only me

> Can only tell you that a piece of belt leather and compound has been
> putting a great edge on my stuff for about fifteen years. Belt was from
> an old jackshaft, so the leather's full quarter inch. Allows me some
> contouring.
>
OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest memories of
barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting in the
chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight razor on a
long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same thing.
Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his bench
were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one lately.

RonB

On 26 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:

... snip
>>
>Nowadays, one must look around for many sources of news and find
>threads and snippets of truth. Sometimes it is really hard to
>tell......but as long as they are flying in the dead soldiers in the
>middle of the night.... the dark ages that we get warned about, are
>here. At least for some people.

Since you seem to have such a balance from the left side of things, the
following might give some pause for thought:
<http://www.nysun.com/article/45705>




+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If you understood
> military procurement, after our troops are finally home you will find
> warehouses full of many "must have today" products including
> yours......Rod
>
If you understood military procurement you would be institutionalized.

I think the little Iraqi hoodlums are breaking the antennas off and
"tagging" the vehicles with spray paint. A behavior resulting from a
"cultural" import of Z-movies.

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.

I bet certain types of toothpaste work perfectly... and will whiten
your chisels and plane irons while making them minty fresh.

brian

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
> > ... watching the barber ... sharpening a straight razor on a
> > long leather strop. ...

> NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.
>
> When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?

Saturday a week ago (I didn't make it in this week... :) )

> When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?

Saturday week somebody else, I see myself every morning in the mirror
(on the mornings I shave, anyway... :) )
...

> Don't even find a straight razor being used for the final neck trim any
> more, just a funky little electric trimmer.
>
> It's just not the same.
>
> Was told it is a liability issue with the insurance companies.

Barbers still use them here for the neck trim, too.

I suspect if they don't where you are it's either the local guys are
just young and never learned the skill/art or your State has eliminated
them for a perceived health issue. I really doubt the lawyers are to
blame here (not that there aren't enough areas for which they do bear
responsibility.. :( )

Highland Pairos wrote:
> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
> for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
> blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 [snip] Am I missing something? Is there
> something special about the leather that I need to account for?

Well, yes. The strop-grade leather is grain orientated along spinal
lines. Those selected elk are raised on very narrow farms with a
north/south direction. They shave the elk on a regular schedule in
order to pre-condition the leather. Elk shavers are a dying breed. That
is why stropping leather is seldom used any more. I thought everybody
knew that.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
> > OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest
> memories of
> > barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting
> in the
> > chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight
> razor on a
> > long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same
> thing.
> > Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his
> bench
> > were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one
> lately.
>
>
> NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.
> When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?

Last July at the Minneapolis airport the guy shaved my head for $20.
It is hard to find anymore though cause I have looked.

This barber agreed and said that he only knows a few and he should
know. Turns out my head was being shave by the most prominent barber
in the state. He not only owns the only barber shop at the airport but
also the barber shop at the state capitol. also said that he is the
head of the state licsensing for barbers.

So this guy is a rare barber and it has become hard to find a real
barber shop that is equipped for a shave with the hot foam, hot towels,
and the strraight razor. Most can only give you a buzz cut with the
shears getting it as close as they can. the good ones will vaccuum
your head after. With the bad ones you just have a lot of stubble till
you shower.

So anyway last sumer finally decided to just keep it shaved til the
weather turned. There are websites and forums for those who shave the
head. Basically it just take some patience and practice.

Tom Watson wrote:
> On 26 Dec 2006 18:08:16 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Elk shavers are a dying breed.
>
>
>
>
>
> You got me. You finally got me speechless. I seen you do something
> with your mouth that I never thought to see done. It's amazing to me
> that I never seen nothing like this nowheres else on nobody's
> nothing...
>
> (tony soprano)
>
>
>
> I'm hanging with you for the irony...(tw)
>

I can always use a hand.

r

Tom Watson wrote:

> Why don't you help me beat up on Foxed News people...

LOL... My guy is Keith Olbermann, is that so wrong? O'Reilly is a
douche-nozzle.
That man is so repulsive, that even as a source for humour he sucks.
>
>
> they really are hateful, you know.

..and they distort the truth, if not the context, of many sound-bites
as well.
The Republican/Conservative parties have been hijacked by the
Perle/Wolfowitz-style motherfuckers.
It is a useless rack to hang a hat on anymore. Unfortunately, the Dems
(Liberals) are a really poor alternative. So when people hear me rant
on about how we are getting screwed, they think I belong to one side or
the other. You'll understand this: assholes are bi-partisan. Corruption
has no membership cards. The media is owned by the same neo-cons. In my
favourite city, Toronto, they just canned a play which was about the
girl that was killed by an Israeli bulldozer----> the play might offend
some jews. Can you believe that?
>
>
>
>
> do they allow Foxed News in Kanuckistan?

Yes, dammit.. I get it on my dish. I can't watch it. I tried. But I
don't know anybody who'd ever admit to watching it. CBC, BBC
International and The Guardian are pretty much my sources.
Whatreallyhappened.com is pretty level-headed source of links to news
stories. Then, for left news, Fark.com is my hang-out. now THAT is fair
and balanced.
>
>
>
>
> I thought that Mulroney was gone.

*smirks*..it is worse now, Stephen Harper. A frickin' Bush puppet. A
Bilderberger.
>
>
Nowadays, one must look around for many sources of news and find
threads and snippets of truth. Sometimes it is really hard to
tell......but as long as they are flying in the dead soldiers in the
middle of the night.... the dark ages that we get warned about, are
here. At least for some people.

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> If so, one should begin wondering what those toothpastes are doing to
> one's teeth.

Toothpaste is just an abrasive paste with flouride, artificial
sweeteners, and other crud thrown in. I'm not sure what the grit is.
I've used some toothpastes before that were sort of gritty. I could
feel... something... crushing when I meshed my teeth together, almost
like I had sand in my mouth. And if I remember my history channel
correctly, the ancients would actually use sand to clean their teeth.

brian

Mark & Juanita wrote:

> Since you seem to have such a balance from the left side of things, the
> following might give some pause for thought:
> <http://www.nysun.com/article/45705>
>
I read it. That article observes the same things I have seen and
worried about for a long time.
Walk around Amsterdam, the Paris suburbs, sections of Toronto already.
The path of Islam starts at the children. In some cases, fanatical
parents ship kids off to fanatical schools. All true. It seems
unstoppable.

After turning the Middle East into a sheet of green glass, where next?
Indonesia?
Is there a method to change the self-hatred into the hatred of others?
Where do we do this? In kindergarten? Immigration policies?
Isolationism?

Are you suggesting that Bush's orders from God are the path to solving
the Islamic cancer?
Is Bush following orders from Up High to do some global ethnic
cleansing?
Or is he just a puppet who is going to take the fall for a last-gasp
greed effort by the oil barons and defense contractors? (That Carlisle
package.) It's Big Business as usual. (Royal Dutch Shell was selling
fuel which powered Hitler's Wehrmacht during WW2.) Read a little
history on The Seven Sisters. Read up on Operation Northwoods while
you're at it. That document will give you a peek at what they are
capable of.

To use people as targets and fodder to further ambitions is wrong.
Creating enemies to 'go after' is wrong. To take a human life is
wrong.... unless he directly threatens the lives of those I care for,
and that decision doesn't belong to the sunnavabitch with a rocket to
sell.

It's not easy to state a view without somebody immediatly trying to
pigeon-hole you as either a lefty or a righty. Seems that the only way
nowadays, is to categorize somebody so we can say: "he's not one of us,
therefore a target." There are enough Ann Coulters out there already.

Wars must be fought, but you can't create a reason because it is good
for business.

r

Highland Pairos wrote:

> I was looking at items for final honing of my various
> blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
> $2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those strops
> looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.

Try asking in rec.knives.

You can't just use any old leather, but yes you can make your own.

Morris Dovey wrote:
> "brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> | Mark & Juanita wrote:
> | > Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.
> |
> | I bet certain types of toothpaste work perfectly... and will whiten
> | your chisels and plane irons while making them minty fresh.
>
> An aircraft mechanic buddy shaved part of a bar of grinding compound
> into a can with his pocket knife and added mineral spirits. When the
> crumbles had dissolved, he dipped a rag into the mix and used it to
> polish a plane.
>
> I liked the simplicity. Went to my shop and attacked a white bar with
> an old SurForm plane blade and added mineral spirits - saved the mix
> in a plastic bottle for sharpening. It works well.
>
> BTW, LV has a leather belt that fits my little 1"x42" belt sander. :-)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto



My dad's leather belt honed my backside to a fine finish...

Maybe I can find that one.

-Jim

Those were the days .
I have a razor strap & would never part with it,us it to sharpin knives
& years ago used it to sharpin my son did a good job on both.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
> > OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest
> memories of
> > barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting
> in the
> > chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight
> razor on a
> > long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same
> thing.
> > Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his
> bench
> > were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one
> lately.
>
>
> NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.
>
> When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?
>
> When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?
>
> Hot towels wrapped over your face with a little hole left for breathing.
>
> Short deft strokes. Wipe the hot lather and cut whiskers from the blade,
> after each stroke, on a piece of paper resting on your shoulder as you
> lay almost prone in the barber chair.
>
> That shot of aftershave when the shave was finished.
>
> Saturday afternoon in the fall, the Ohio State football game on the
> radio, getting a shave for that hot Saturday night date.
>
> Those were the days my friend.
>
> If you could afford a barber shop shave and a Saturday night night date,
> it had been a good week.
>
> Don't even find a straight razor being used for the final neck trim any
> more, just a funky little electric trimmer.
>
> It's just not the same.
>
> Was told it is a liability issue with the insurance companies.
>
> Lew

On Dec 26, 4:33 pm, "Highland Pairos" <[email protected]>
wrote:
[snip]
> a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is there
> something special about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe its
> the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?

Well, yes. The leather comes from a rare cow that "lumbers" around
"board" all the time and eats only "grain" and certain "blade" grasses.
IIRC, they are native to outer Mongolia. Their fur is "curly<' some say
"highly figured." The skin underneath is said to feel things "sharply."
The live in the mountains and often go to the "edge." These animals
have "honed" their existence to surviving on meager grasses in the
harsh Mongolian climate, otherwise their "heart would" give out.
They've also "chiseled" out sustenance from the barren Mongolian
"planes."

The wood is also special. It comes from trees that cows use to rub
against, often wearing the bark off and ultimately killing the tree.
However, theres trees have a certain affinity for leather, which is why
the cattle use them to scratch with in the first place. IIRC, the wood
is called moo wood or sometimes "bull" wood.

Please excuse the sharp wit or dull humor (your call).

LRod wrote:

>
> Have you ever written for Stereophile? You'd fit right in.
>
Absolute Sound?

Swingman wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
>
> > ..and they distort the truth, if not the context, of many sound-bites
> > as well.
>
> Example, please.

When O'Reilly showed Mark Pfoley's image on screen, they put a 'D' next
to Foley's name, labelling him a democrat. It was later said to have
been a 'typo'. Typo, my ass.

There are more examples, thank goodness you only asked for one... I'm
trying to keep my food down.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 12/25/06

Rod & Betty Jo wrote:

> Incidentally as examples of NEWS manipulation go that is a pretty lame
> attempt
>
> Rod

If I have offended your heros at Fox, I am sorry.
If you don't see the bias in Fox's Fair and Balanced reporting, then
their broadcasts are obviously suitable for your consumption. The rest
of us, those with our heads OUT of our asses, will look for other
sources.

And as to labelling my posts gobbledegook, that's okay too, a colouring
book version will be coming out soon so you can 'get' it too.

Swingman wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message

> >
> > When O'Reilly showed Mark Pfoley's image on screen, they put a 'D' next
> > to Foley's name, labelling him a democrat. It was later said to have
> > been a 'typo'. Typo, my ass.
>
> Yeah, that's real earth shattering distortion there ... but the way you were
> ranting I thought maybe he reported that the pope was a baptist, or
> something.

No, it is not earth shattering, but typical. If you think Fox is
'balanced' than maybe that opportunist fat-bastard Michael Moore is
unbiased as well?

A baptist wouldn't wear Pravda.

r

Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
> >
[snipped for brevity]

> But when I
> hear what I feel are empty or false tirades about FOX, Walmart etc. I just
> can't help myself from wading in<g>......Since I don't perceive any relevant
> FOX news bias (ignoring the commentators on either side) when I ask for
> examples I'm quite sincere.....And I'm yet to see anybody present a credible
> case......Rod

Take a look here: (btw, this site is also pretty hard on 'left' news
orgs.)

http://tvnewslies.org/html/unfair___unbalanced.html

Shaving using a straight razor is still a part of the training at the
Ohio State College of Barber Styling (Broad St near Hamilton Rd). I've
watched many shaves while having my hair cut, haven't seen any blood
yet. For myself, a Norelco works fine; I know I can survive a bad
student haircut, but a bad shave??

lwhaley wrote:
> Shaving using a straight razor is still a part of the training at the
> Ohio State College of Barber Styling (Broad St near Hamilton Rd). I've
> watched many shaves while having my hair cut, haven't seen any blood
> yet.

My 85-year old dad has a lady come in every week to give him a trim and
a 'real shave'. She uses a straight razor-that has be difficult with
all those wrinkles on his face. The rest of the time he uses a
Philishave.

Upscale wrote:

> For approximately the past year, I'm in the same position where I've
> dispensed with the services of a barber. With the small amount of hair on
> top, for over a dozen years, I'd been having a barber trim it down to almost
> flush with the skin and they'd been charging me their standard $25 for ten
> minutes worth of work.

$10 here. With tip. I gave him $10 when the base cost was $7. Then when
it was $8 and now that it is $9 ... $10.

By the time the base price locally gets to $11, I doubt if I'll need his
services anymore ... and unlikely he'll be able to deliver them anyways. ;-)

Bill


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WoodButcher wrote:
> Where can I find plans for making a strop?
> Is it best to use it hide side out or flesh side out?
> Is cow leather the best? How about horse, ox, pig, or
> mother in law?


Nauga.


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"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 26 Dec 2006 19:41:47 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why don't you help me beat up on Foxed News people...
>
>
> they really are hateful, you know.
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
>
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>


As one whom has no single news channel what exactly does fox do routinely or
"ever" that you find so distastful? Hateful?
Rod

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Are you suggesting that Bush's orders from God are the path to solving
> the Islamic cancer?
> Is Bush following orders from Up High to do some global ethnic
> cleansing?

Why prattle off such senseless drivel?......Bush never claimed nor exercised
any such authority....is the intellect so lame that you can't find enough
real events or statements to find a exception with

> Or is he just a puppet who is going to take the fall for a last-gasp
> greed effort by the oil barons and defense contractors? (That Carlisle
> package.) It's Big Business as usual. (Royal Dutch Shell was selling
> fuel which powered Hitler's Wehrmacht during WW2.) Read a little
> history on The Seven Sisters. Read up on Operation Northwoods while
> you're at it. That document will give you a peek at what they are
> capable of.

How much and during which years? I always thought it was the coal
gasification that kept the war machine going after they lost the large
eastern European fields

> To use people as targets and fodder to further ambitions is wrong.
> Creating enemies to 'go after' is wrong. To take a human life is
> wrong.... unless he directly threatens the lives of those I care for,
> and that decision doesn't belong to the sunnavabitch with a rocket to
> sell.
>
> It's not easy to state a view without somebody immediatly trying to
> pigeon-hole you as either a lefty or a righty. Seems that the only way
> nowadays, is to categorize somebody so we can say: "he's not one of us,
> therefore a target." There are enough Ann Coulters out there already.

I kind of thought your occasional rants were a Ann Coulter parody albeit
considerably more exaggerated than she .....you mean your not a fan?

> Wars must be fought, but you can't create a reason because it is good
> for business.
> r

One doesn't need a war for "business".....such a claim is tired at its best
and sorely lacking in any probative thought.....business can make money
selling widgets, rattles or even simply image......there can be profit made
in toasters as easy if not easier than tanks...... Rod

"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.


I tried....My 90 yr. old father while thinning has more hair than his three
sons combined....sometimes the best laid plans just don't work out....Rod

Rod & Betty Jo wrote:

>> Wars must be fought, but you can't create a reason because it is good
>> for business.
>> r
>
> One doesn't need a war for "business".....such a claim is tired at its best
> and sorely lacking in any probative thought.....business can make money
> selling widgets, rattles or even simply image......there can be profit made
> in toasters as easy if not easier than tanks...... Rod

Straw man, Rod.

The issue is access to raw materials, not markets. Further, the profit
margin on an imported toaster is not the same profit margin as a "Made
Here" (wherever the 'here' might happen to be) battle tank.

Not 'needing' a war for business does not exclude business as a motive.
It will take a much stronger argument than that to remove big business
from the suspect line up.

I wish Robatoy was right. Oh, how I wish that he was right. But he isn't.

Bill


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"Bill in Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>
>>> Wars must be fought, but you can't create a reason because it is good
>>> for business.
>>> r
>>
>> One doesn't need a war for "business".....such a claim is tired at its
>> best and sorely lacking in any probative thought.....business can make
>> money selling widgets, rattles or even simply image......there can be
>> profit made in toasters as easy if not easier than tanks...... Rod
>
> Straw man, Rod.
>
> The issue is access to raw materials,

In the Middle-East oil production/distribution is indeed paramount and can
justify military intervention if so deemed to maintain world access....note
the use of "world".....Any extended shutdown would spiral the world into a
depression not seen since the 30's......but ownership of said assets can and
does rest squarely with the locals.....the market place has easily replaced
colonialism etc... Disruption of the flow of energy is not a business issue
but a people issue on both the supply and the demand end.....

The post I referenced implied "going to war" was because it was "good for
business".....granted much of his post was largely incoherent
gobbledygook......Nonetheless "business" doesn't care what it sells and
there are many ways other than "war" to invent or encourage a market....and
many fields are more profitable than the defense industry. Rod

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Example, please.
>
> When O'Reilly showed Mark Pfoley's image on screen, they put a 'D' next
> to Foley's name, labelling him a democrat. It was later said to have
> been a 'typo'. Typo, my ass.


I suppose it was a plot to save the poor smucks job.....if a DEM he could be
re-elected a few times, have a national park named after him and garner
various fluff awards.....although it probably was doomed to fail since Foley
didn't have actual physical relations....unlike Gerry Studds.

Incidentally as examples of NEWS manipulation go that is a pretty lame
attempt

Rod

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>
>> Incidentally as examples of NEWS manipulation go that is a pretty lame
>> attempt
>>
>> Rod
>
> If I have offended your heros at Fox, I am sorry.
> If you don't see the bias in Fox's Fair and Balanced reporting, then
> their broadcasts are obviously suitable for your consumption. The rest
> of us, those with our heads OUT of our asses, will look for other
> sources.
>
> And as to labelling my posts gobbledegook, that's okay too, a colouring
> book version will be coming out soon so you can 'get' it too.

I'll be looking forward to the colouring book version although I didn't
label your "posts" as gobbledygook but rather much of one
post......Incidentally I'm no fan of any TV news FOX or otherwise....I may
leave it on if doing something else in either the kitchen or the shop but to
actually sit down and watch it virtually never......The time required Vs the
information content compared to reading is quite unfavorable. But when I
hear what I feel are empty or false tirades about FOX, Walmart etc. I just
can't help myself from wading in<g>......Since I don't perceive any relevant
FOX news bias (ignoring the commentators on either side) when I ask for
examples I'm quite sincere.....And I'm yet to see anybody present a credible
case......Rod

"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 26 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's *got* to be more troops then we're hearing about, too... unless
> they're just grinding up military vehicles for fun over there, and
> letting the soldiers go.

Not likely at all......there is no political gain to be had for under
reporting.....an oft cited complaint from the "anti Iraq war for any reason
crowd" has been not enough troops......Why they would want "more targets"
and why they wouldn't want the Iraq's themselves to assume their own
security is another argument in itself.

> The orders for computer and antenna mounts for military applications
> have increased dramatically in the past six months. Where we were
> making orders of 100-500 every couple of weeks, we're now making and
> shipping several thousand full sets each week. Unless they're
> building up for yet another war, we're wasting an awful lot of rolling
> stock over there. Seems fair enough to assume that *someone* is
> driving those trucks when they get totaled.

Your observation reminds me of a long ago story.....as Nixon drew the
Vietnam troops from around 550,000 to nearly 125,000 this guy I argued with
just knew it was all a lie because he had seen more troops landing in
Vietnam than had been shipping out....personal observation is fraught with
error (history readily proves the guy was wrong) . If you understood
military procurement, after our troops are finally home you will find
warehouses full of many "must have today" products including yours......Rod

Robatoy wrote:
> Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>>>
> [snipped for brevity]
>
>> But when I
>> hear what I feel are empty or false tirades about FOX, Walmart etc. I just
>> can't help myself from wading in<g>......Since I don't perceive any relevant
>> FOX news bias (ignoring the commentators on either side) when I ask for
>> examples I'm quite sincere.....And I'm yet to see anybody present a credible
>> case......Rod
>
> Take a look here: (btw, this site is also pretty hard on 'left' news
> orgs.)
>
> http://tvnewslies.org/html/unfair___unbalanced.html
>
Hmm... when was the last time you saw, say Howard Zinn on any of these
channels? The discussion has moved so far right that viewpoints such as
these are not even acknowledged, yet how many military generals, etc.,
were interviewed prior to the war? In fact, how many were/are actually
in their employ?

You are very naive if you think you are getting fair and balanced news
from any of the networks, IMHO. If you have a hard time noticing FOX
news bias, you have a very narrow view of what is news.

JMHO...

"brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Mark & Juanita wrote:
| > Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.
|
| I bet certain types of toothpaste work perfectly... and will whiten
| your chisels and plane irons while making them minty fresh.

An aircraft mechanic buddy shaved part of a bar of grinding compound
into a can with his pocket knife and added mineral spirits. When the
crumbles had dissolved, he dipped a rag into the mix and used it to
polish a plane.

I liked the simplicity. Went to my shop and attacked a white bar with
an old SurForm plane blade and added mineral spirits - saved the mix
in a plastic bottle for sharpening. It works well.

BTW, LV has a leather belt that fits my little 1"x42" belt sander. :-)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:08:28 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>> It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
>>>electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever since.
>>>It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I
>>>didn't
>>>think of it years ago.
>>>
>>>Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a
>>>lot
>>>less frequently. :)
>>
>>I bought a Wahl trimmer a couple of years ago. A few passes every week or
>>so keeps it in good condition.
>>
>>Hair is over rated. I don't worry about wind messing anything up, I don't
>>worry about a hat messing up my pompadour, I don't worry about hair in the
>>face when swimming. I do, however, take precautions for sunburn.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, sunburn and I find I also get cold a lot faster unless I'm wearing
> a hat.

I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.

"WoodButcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Where can I find plans for making a strop?
| Is it best to use it hide side out or flesh side out?
| Is cow leather the best? How about horse, ox, pig, or
| mother in law?

Nix on the MIL. Some are too fine to be made into a mere strop; and
the rest are either toxic or corrosive.

If you have to ask, then she's probably too corrosive for tool steel.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto

Mark Jerde wrote:
> "Rod & Betty Jo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.
>>
>>
>>I tried....My 90 yr. old father while thinning has more hair than his
>>three sons combined....sometimes the best laid plans just don't work
>>out....Rod
>
>
> See: "Going Bald? Blame Mom"
>
> ... "The suspect gene variation sits on the X chromosome, which is handed
> down to men by their mother. So a man may get an idea of his scalp's future
> from men on his mother's side of the family." ...
>
> -- Mark
>
>
There were no men on my mother's side. Hers was a virgin birth.
At least she thought so.

Bob

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:47:35 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> My barber has been cutting and shaving for about 60 years but no longer
>uses
>> the straight edge.
>> I'd ask him, but it seems as though I no longer need his services.
>
>For approximately the past year, I'm in the same position where I've
>dispensed with the services of a barber. With the small amount of hair on
>top, for over a dozen years, I'd been having a barber trim it down to almost
>flush with the skin and they'd been charging me their standard $25 for ten
>minutes worth of work. It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
>electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever since.
>It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I didn't
>think of it years ago.

Well, I've got all my hair, but I haven't seen the inside of a barber
shop in three or four years. I tried something that is not for the
faint of heart- I bought a trimmer and a pair of scissors, and asked
my wife to do it. You have to be willing to have a run of goofy
haircuts for a while, but it's a good incentive for her to learn if
she has to be seen in public in your company later on...

>Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a lot
>less frequently. :)
>

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Hair is over rated. I don't worry about wind messing anything up, I
don't
> worry about a hat messing up my pompadour, I don't worry about hair in the
> face when swimming. I do, however, take precautions for sunburn.

Yeah, I found out the hard way about a sunburn on the top of the head. A day
after being out in the sun for an hour and my scalp started to hurt. A quick
peek in the mirror confirmed sunburn, but that wasn't the hardest part of
the ordeal. After the sunburn came the flaking and what looked like the
worst case of deathly dandruff one could imagine.

Winter and summer now, I'm always wearing a baseball cap. Only downside to
that is that the wind catches it once in a while and I'm tearing down the
street chasing it.

On 26 Dec 2006 15:14:45 -0800, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.
>
>I bet certain types of toothpaste work perfectly... and will whiten
>your chisels and plane irons while making them minty fresh.
>
>brian

If so, one should begin wondering what those toothpastes are doing to
one's teeth.




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On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:17:58 GMT, "dan cordes"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>We'll guys, my barber shop still uses straight razors for the final neck and
>sideburn trim. And I did see a guy a year or so back get a shave while I got
>my hair cut. These guys have been in the same shop in a strip mall since it
>opened in 1960. Great part of history that's still going strong in Aurora,
>IL.

Which shop? I used to go to the guys next to the drug store in West
Plaza on Galena. Five barbers who had been together (in a couple of
different locations) for 30 years. One day I went in and one of the
chairs was empty. One of them had died. It was like a brother had been
lost. I moved away in 1999, but stopped by for a cut in 2001. The
first chair guy, Roger, had died (he was the one who had always cut
mine). I won't ever be able to go back there.

I lived in Aurora for 21 years (worked there for 26).

--
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> My barber has been cutting and shaving for about 60 years but no longer
uses
> the straight edge.
> I'd ask him, but it seems as though I no longer need his services.

For approximately the past year, I'm in the same position where I've
dispensed with the services of a barber. With the small amount of hair on
top, for over a dozen years, I'd been having a barber trim it down to almost
flush with the skin and they'd been charging me their standard $25 for ten
minutes worth of work. It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever since.
It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I didn't
think of it years ago.

Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a lot
less frequently. :)

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:33:09 GMT, "Highland Pairos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
>$2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those strops
>looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.
>Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue a
>piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently to
>a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is there
>something special about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe its
>the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>
>Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>
>SteveP.
>


When I was a boy I went to a barber who would give you a haircut - and
a shave - if you were in need.

Next to his chair was a strip of leather, tanned and finished on one
side and buckskin raw on the other.

When he got to the point of doing the sideburns and the blocking on
the back of the neck - he would take a straight razor and strop it on
the leather - then he'd carefully swipe the offending hairs away from
his creation.

That's been a while ago. About the same time that I last saw a copy
of Police Gazzette.



sigh...



(Norman Rockwell - what would you paint today)





Regards,

Tom Watson

tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:05:21 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> faint of heart- I bought a trimmer and a pair of scissors, and asked
>> my wife to do it. You have to be willing to have a run of goofy
>> haircuts for a while, but it's a good incentive for her to learn if
>> she has to be seen in public in your company later on...
>
>Yeah, but there's a distinctive downside to that. You've got to make sure
>that she's in a good mood when she does your hair and that you haven't done
>anything in the previous few weeks that really pissed her off. In fact, with
>the memory that some women have, you'd have to be on your best behaviour
>almost all the time. :)
>
>Sounds like hell to me. Think I'd rather stick with almost being bald and
>cutting off the remnants as I have been doing every three months or so.

See, that's the backup plan, and she's aware of it. If she butchers
it out of anger or carelessness, I've got no problem shaving my head
(an idea she claims to hate.)

The one I use now is a piece of old belt glued to a board. I have, over the
past 40 years, used the back of the belt that I was wearing (most common),
the top of a boot, a piece of cardboard, and a piece of MDF. If you sharpen
on a stone and are using the strop for final polish, forget the compound.
The leather works fine without it (ask any barber). If you use the strop to
maintain an edge (carving knives), the compound is helpful.

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:33:09 GMT, "Highland Pairos"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I
got
> >for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my
various
> >blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste
was
> >$2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those
strops
> >looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.
> >Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue a
> >piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently
to
> >a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is
there
> >something special about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe
its
> >the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
> >
>
> I've thought the same thing when looking at those strops. Seems a bit
> spendy for a piece of leather glued to a shaped piece of wood. I've saved
> my old leather apron for that very purpose.
>
> Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.
>
>
> >Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
> >
>
> Yep.
>
> >SteveP.
> >
>
>
>
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>
> If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
>
>
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On 26 Dec 2006 18:08:16 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Highland Pairos wrote:
>> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>> for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>> blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 [snip] Am I missing something? Is there
>> something special about the leather that I need to account for?
>
>Well, yes. The strop-grade leather is grain orientated along spinal
>lines. Those selected elk are raised on very narrow farms with a
>north/south direction. They shave the elk on a regular schedule in
>order to pre-condition the leather. Elk shavers are a dying breed. That
>is why stropping leather is seldom used any more. I thought everybody
>knew that.

Have you ever written for Stereophile? You'd fit right in.

--
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

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> See: "Going Bald? Blame Mom"
>
> ... "The suspect gene variation sits on the X chromosome, which is
> handed down to men by their mother. So a man may get an idea of his
> scalp's future from men on his mother's side of the family." ...

Duh. The URL.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/27/health/webmd/main698315.shtml

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:08:28 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
>> electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever since.
>> It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I
>> didn't
>> think of it years ago.
>>
>> Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a
>> lot
>> less frequently. :)
>
>I bought a Wahl trimmer a couple of years ago. A few passes every week or
>so keeps it in good condition.
>
>Hair is over rated. I don't worry about wind messing anything up, I don't
>worry about a hat messing up my pompadour, I don't worry about hair in the
>face when swimming. I do, however, take precautions for sunburn.
>

Yeah, sunburn and I find I also get cold a lot faster unless I'm wearing
a hat.



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Gee, I am so glad I am in Oz, where we are satisfied knowing all pollies are
wank^H^H^H^H dills.

;)

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Swingman wrote:
> > "Robatoy" wrote in message
>
> > >
> > > When O'Reilly showed Mark Pfoley's image on screen, they put a 'D'
next
> > > to Foley's name, labelling him a democrat. It was later said to have
> > > been a 'typo'. Typo, my ass.
> >
> > Yeah, that's real earth shattering distortion there ... but the way you
were
> > ranting I thought maybe he reported that the pope was a baptist, or
> > something.
>
> No, it is not earth shattering, but typical. If you think Fox is
> 'balanced' than maybe that opportunist fat-bastard Michael Moore is
> unbiased as well?
>
> A baptist wouldn't wear Pravda.
>
> r
>

RonB wrote:

> OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest
memories of
> barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting
in the
> chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight
razor on a
> long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same
thing.
> Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his
bench
> were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one
lately.


NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.

When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?

When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?

Hot towels wrapped over your face with a little hole left for breathing.

Short deft strokes. Wipe the hot lather and cut whiskers from the blade,
after each stroke, on a piece of paper resting on your shoulder as you
lay almost prone in the barber chair.

That shot of aftershave when the shave was finished.

Saturday afternoon in the fall, the Ohio State football game on the
radio, getting a shave for that hot Saturday night date.

Those were the days my friend.

If you could afford a barber shop shave and a Saturday night night date,
it had been a good week.

Don't even find a straight razor being used for the final neck trim any
more, just a funky little electric trimmer.

It's just not the same.

Was told it is a liability issue with the insurance companies.

Lew

Highland Pairos wrote:
> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
> for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
> blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
> $2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those strops
> looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.
> Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue a
> piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently to
> a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is there
> something special about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe its
> the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>
> Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>
> SteveP.
>
>
I used a strop for all my wood carving chisels (and for my blades for
cutting mats). I lost all my tools (divorce), but am building up again
and just bought some carving chisels, making a strop has been on my list
of things to make, I wouldn't want to start carving without having a
strop nearby.

Bill in Detroit wrote:
>
>
> Nauga.

I grew up near Naugatuck, often witnessing the great Uniroyal Nauga
hunts...

"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
>$2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those
>strops looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to
>them. Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue
>a piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently
>to a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is
>there something special about the leather that I need to account for?
>Maybe its the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>
> Hope everyone's Christmas was good.

Can only tell you that a piece of belt leather and compound has been putting
a great edge on my stuff for about fifteen years. Belt was from an old
jackshaft, so the leather's full quarter inch. Allows me some contouring.

On the subject of wood, it's often used as a base for stropping or honing
compound.

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
> electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever since.
> It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I
> didn't
> think of it years ago.
>
> Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a
> lot
> less frequently. :)

I bought a Wahl trimmer a couple of years ago. A few passes every week or
so keeps it in good condition.

Hair is over rated. I don't worry about wind messing anything up, I don't
worry about a hat messing up my pompadour, I don't worry about hair in the
face when swimming. I do, however, take precautions for sunburn.

"John L. Poole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The above URL has three kinds of paste to be used on separate leather
> strops:
> 6 micron - "used on a very dull edge", 2-4 micron - "will refresh a mildly
> dull edge", and leather conditioner for everyday use.
>
> Possibly overkill for carving edges into wood, yes?

No, not for carving. Clean smooth edges are what carving is about.
Everyone works through to their own compromise. Mine is Chromium Oxide
(green compound) and a felt buff right now. Were I carving softer woods the
strop would return. It's still in the drawer.

"Robatoy" wrote in message

> ..and they distort the truth, if not the context, of many sound-bites
> as well.

Example, please.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> It occurred to me about a year ago to spend $40 on an
>> electric cutter for hair and I've been trimming it down myself ever
>> since.
>> It's convenient and doesn't cost me a cent anymore. Don't know why I
>> didn't
>> think of it years ago.
>>
>> Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a
>> lot
>> less frequently. :)
>
> I bought a Wahl trimmer a couple of years ago. A few passes every week or
> so keeps it in good condition.
>
> Hair is over rated. I don't worry about wind messing anything up, I
> don't worry about a hat messing up my pompadour, I don't worry about hair
> in the face when swimming. I do, however, take precautions for sunburn.

God made only so many perfect heads --- the rest he covered with hair!

Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?
>
>When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?
>
>Hot towels wrapped over your face with a little hole left for breathing.
>
>Short deft strokes. Wipe the hot lather and cut whiskers from the blade,
>after each stroke, on a piece of paper resting on your shoulder as you
>lay almost prone in the barber chair.
>
>That shot of aftershave when the shave was finished.
>
>Saturday afternoon in the fall, the Ohio State football game on the
>radio, getting a shave for that hot Saturday night date.


Shaving using a straight razor is still a part of the training at the
Ohio State College of Barber Styling (Broad St near Hamilton Rd). I've
watched many shaves while having my hair cut, haven't seen any blood
yet. For myself, a Norelco works fine; I know I can survive a bad
student haircut, but a bad shave??

On 26 Dec 2006 19:41:47 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Tom Watson wrote:

>> I'm hanging with you for the irony...(tw)
>>
>
>I can always use a hand.
>
>r


I'm there for you bro.

Why don't you help me beat up on Foxed News people...


they really are hateful, you know.




do they allow Foxed News in Kanuckistan?




I thought that Mulroney was gone.







Regards,

Tom Watson

tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

"John L. Poole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Highland Pairos wrote:
>> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I
>> got for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my
>> various blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing
>> paste was $2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye,
>> those strops looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather
>> glued to them. Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can
>> probably glue a piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got
>> ripped recently to a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing
>> something? Is there something special about the leather that I need to
>> account for? Maybe its the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>>
>> Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>>
>> SteveP.
> I used a strop for all my wood carving chisels (and for my blades for
> cutting mats). I lost all my tools (divorce), but am building up again
> and just bought some carving chisels, making a strop has been on my list
> of things to make, I wouldn't want to start carving without having a strop
> nearby.

My strop is a piece of wood with rawhide leather glued on.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:18:17 -0600, Bob Schmall <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:08:28 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
... snip
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, sunburn and I find I also get cold a lot faster unless I'm wearing
>> a hat.
>
>I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.

I'm still trying to figure that one out. Dad has a full head of hair,
both grandfathers had pretty much full heads of hair well into their 80's.
My younger brother has hair. Seems to have skipped two full generations
and found *me*. (At least one great-grandfather, maybe two, I only saw
the one when he was in his 80's)





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"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> faint of heart- I bought a trimmer and a pair of scissors, and asked
> my wife to do it. You have to be willing to have a run of goofy
> haircuts for a while, but it's a good incentive for her to learn if
> she has to be seen in public in your company later on...

Yeah, but there's a distinctive downside to that. You've got to make sure
that she's in a good mood when she does your hair and that you haven't done
anything in the previous few weeks that really pissed her off. In fact, with
the memory that some women have, you'd have to be on your best behaviour
almost all the time. :)

Sounds like hell to me. Think I'd rather stick with almost being bald and
cutting off the remnants as I have been doing every three months or so.

"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.

I tried a different route, unsuccessfully. I was adopted and although my
adoptive father was bald, he managed somehow to pass it onto me. I can still
remember him laughing when I was away from home for almost a year and came
back with 50% less hair.

Anybody remember the old "Pepsident" commercials (c. late 1950's early
1960's):

"..... with zironium silicate! Put's PIZZAZZ in your smile!"

Zirconium silicate is zircon, a commercial abrasive around 8-9 on the
Mohs hardness scale.

-Zz

On 26 Dec 2006 15:14:45 -0800, "brianlanning" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.
>
>I bet certain types of toothpaste work perfectly... and will whiten
>your chisels and plane irons while making them minty fresh.
>
>brian

In article <[email protected]>, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Highland Pairos wrote:
>> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>> for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>> blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 [snip] Am I missing
> something? Is there
>> something special about the leather that I need to account for?
>
>Well, yes. The strop-grade leather is grain orientated along spinal
>lines. Those selected elk are raised on very narrow farms with a
>north/south direction. They shave the elk on a regular schedule in
>order to pre-condition the leather. Elk shavers are a dying breed. That
>is why stropping leather is seldom used any more. I thought everybody
>knew that.

Oh deer, and I thought it was just the tale of an elk!

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| [email protected] Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
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In article <[email protected]>, "brianlanning" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> If so, one should begin wondering what those toothpastes are doing to
>> one's teeth.
>
>Toothpaste is just an abrasive paste with flouride, artificial
>sweeteners, and other crud thrown in. I'm not sure what the grit is.
>I've used some toothpastes before that were sort of gritty. I could
>feel... something... crushing when I meshed my teeth together, almost
>like I had sand in my mouth.

Probably simple baking soda -- that's what's used in at
least one of the "gritty" brands.

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| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| [email protected] Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
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Vic Baron wrote:

>
> God made only so many perfect heads --- the rest he covered with hair!
>
>
>

I heard this another way. God only made a few perfect people. The rest
he made right handed. -G

Upscale wrote:
> Only benefit I can think of being almost bald, that and I buy shampoo a lot
> less frequently. :)


Shampoo? What the hell's that? I use bar soap and can dry it with a face
cloth.

As for trimming my own hair, it's just like cutting the grass.... every hair the
same length. I haven't paid a barber in a good 20 years.

The only time I miss my hair is when I crack my head on something... the hair
used to give me a split second of warning... just enough to avoid the full force
of what was coming. Also it sucks in the rain.

The only thing worse than being a bald headed man in the rain is being a bald
headed man in the rain who wears glasses.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

Mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:18:41 -0600, Prometheus
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:51:19 -0800, "Rod & Betty Jo"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>> The orders for computer and antenna mounts for military applications
>>> have increased dramatically in the past six months. Where we were
>>> making orders of 100-500 every couple of weeks, we're now making and
>>> shipping several thousand full sets each week. Unless they're
>>> building up for yet another war, we're wasting an awful lot of rolling
>>> stock over there. Seems fair enough to assume that *someone* is
>>> driving those trucks when they get totaled.
>>
>>Your observation reminds me of a long ago story.....as Nixon drew the
>>Vietnam troops from around 550,000 to nearly 125,000 this guy I argued with
>>just knew it was all a lie because he had seen more troops landing in
>>Vietnam than had been shipping out....personal observation is fraught with
>>error (history readily proves the guy was wrong) . If you understood
>>military procurement, after our troops are finally home you will find
>>warehouses full of many "must have today" products including yours......Rod
>
>Well, I hope that's the case- I'd rather be making things to sit in a
>warehouse than to get blown apart as fast as they can be installed.

A quick sanity check would indicate that there is no way the military
could be buying several thousand HMMWV's weekly. As others have pointed
out, most likely these are the kinds of things easily damaged either
deliberately or in the normal activities in a war zone. Not farfetched to
realize that a vehicle doesn't have to be totaled to require antenna or
computer mount repairs.



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

On 26 Dec 2006 18:08:16 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:



Elk shavers are a dying breed.





You got me. You finally got me speechless. I seen you do something
with your mouth that I never thought to see done. It's amazing to me
that I never seen nothing like this nowheres else on nobody's
nothing...

(tony soprano)



I'm hanging with you for the irony...(tw)






Regards,

Tom Watson

tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)

http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

brianlanning wrote:

>
> Toothpaste is just an abrasive paste with flouride, artificial
> sweeteners, and other crud thrown in. I'm not sure what the grit is.

<snip>

Have used toothpaste and a soft cotton cloth to polish scratches out of
a pedestal mounted compass on my last boat.

After all, it is on the same order as jeweler's rouge.

Lew

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm 64 and have a full head of brown hair. I chose my parents carefully.
>
>
> I tried....My 90 yr. old father while thinning has more hair than his
> three sons combined....sometimes the best laid plans just don't work
> out....Rod

See: "Going Bald? Blame Mom"

... "The suspect gene variation sits on the X chromosome, which is handed
down to men by their mother. So a man may get an idea of his scalp's future
from men on his mother's side of the family." ...

-- Mark

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:33:09 GMT, "Highland Pairos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
>$2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those strops
>looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.
>Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue a
>piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently to
>a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is there
>something special about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe its
>the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>

I've thought the same thing when looking at those strops. Seems a bit
spendy for a piece of leather glued to a shaped piece of wood. I've saved
my old leather apron for that very purpose.

Now, the honing paste may be worth the price.


>Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>

Yep.

>SteveP.
>


+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Barbers still use them here for the neck trim, too.
>
> I suspect if they don't where you are it's either the local guys are
> just young and never learned the skill/art or your State has eliminated
> them for a perceived health issue. I really doubt the lawyers are to
> blame here (not that there aren't enough areas for which they do bear
> responsibility.. :( )
>

My barber has been cutting and shaving for about 60 years but no longer uses
the straight edge. Health issues and Aids stopped it. I'm not sure if it
is a state mandate or insurance, but they have not used them for over 15
years now.

I'd ask him, but it seems as though I no longer need his services.

Upscale wrote:

> Winter and summer now, I'm always wearing a baseball cap. Only
downside to
> that is that the wind catches it once in a while and I'm tearing
down the
> street chasing it.

You need to get a "Tilley", a hat designed by a sailor named Tilley.

Designed to stay on your head regardless of the wind.

I never go sailing without mine.

Lew

Where can I find plans for making a strop?
Is it best to use it hide side out or flesh side out?
Is cow leather the best? How about horse, ox, pig, or
mother in law?

Art

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Sorry, it won't work. Strop need to be made professionally and you don't
> have the skills. Next thing you know, you'll be trying to make your own
> furniture and stuff.
>
>

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:23:00 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>
> > OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest
> memories of
> > barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting
> in the
> > chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight
> razor on a
> > long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same
> thing.
> > Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his
> bench
> > were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one
> lately.
>
>
> NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.
>
> When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?
>
> When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?
>
> Hot towels wrapped over your face with a little hole left for breathing.
>
> Short deft strokes. Wipe the hot lather and cut whiskers from the blade,
> after each stroke, on a piece of paper resting on your shoulder as you
> lay almost prone in the barber chair.
>
> That shot of aftershave when the shave was finished.
>
> Saturday afternoon in the fall, the Ohio State football game on the
> radio, getting a shave for that hot Saturday night date.
I've been going to the same guy for 20+ years and he still uses a straight
razor. It is, however, going out of style with the younger barbers.
Alas.

D. G. Adams

>
> Those were the days my friend.
>
> If you could afford a barber shop shave and a Saturday night night date,
> it had been a good week.
>
> Don't even find a straight razor being used for the final neck trim any
> more, just a funky little electric trimmer.
>
> It's just not the same.
>
> Was told it is a liability issue with the insurance companies.
>
> Lew

We'll guys, my barber shop still uses straight razors for the final neck and
sideburn trim. And I did see a guy a year or so back get a shave while I got
my hair cut. These guys have been in the same shop in a strip mall since it
opened in 1960. Great part of history that's still going strong in Aurora,
IL.

Dan

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RonB wrote:
>
> > OK - Time for the old fellows to weigh in. One of my earliest
> memories of
> > barber shops probably goes back 56 years or more. I remember sitting
> in the
> > chair watching the barber at the next chair sharpening a straight
> razor on a
> > long leather strop. If you watch old westerns you will see the same
> thing.
> > Long leather strops, hanging from the back of a barber chair or his
> bench
> > were standard equipment for many years. I don't recall seeing one
> lately.
>
>
> NO, and you probably won't, thanks to the lawyers.
>
> When is the last time you saw a straight razor in a barber shop?
>
> When is the last time you saw somebody get a shave with a straight razor?
>
> Hot towels wrapped over your face with a little hole left for breathing.
>
> Short deft strokes. Wipe the hot lather and cut whiskers from the blade,
> after each stroke, on a piece of paper resting on your shoulder as you
> lay almost prone in the barber chair.
>
> That shot of aftershave when the shave was finished.
>
> Saturday afternoon in the fall, the Ohio State football game on the radio,
> getting a shave for that hot Saturday night date.
>
> Those were the days my friend.
>
> If you could afford a barber shop shave and a Saturday night night date,
> it had been a good week.
>
> Don't even find a straight razor being used for the final neck trim any
> more, just a funky little electric trimmer.
>
> It's just not the same.
>
> Was told it is a liability issue with the insurance companies.
>
> Lew
>
>
>

On 26 Dec 2006 20:23:02 -0800, "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Nowadays, one must look around for many sources of news and find
>threads and snippets of truth. Sometimes it is really hard to
>tell......but as long as they are flying in the dead soldiers in the
>middle of the night.... the dark ages that we get warned about, are
>here. At least for some people.

It's *got* to be more troops then we're hearing about, too... unless
they're just grinding up military vehicles for fun over there, and
letting the soldiers go.

The orders for computer and antenna mounts for military applications
have increased dramatically in the past six months. Where we were
making orders of 100-500 every couple of weeks, we're now making and
shipping several thousand full sets each week. Unless they're
building up for yet another war, we're wasting an awful lot of rolling
stock over there. Seems fair enough to assume that *someone* is
driving those trucks when they get totaled.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:51:19 -0800, "Rod & Betty Jo"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>> The orders for computer and antenna mounts for military applications
>> have increased dramatically in the past six months. Where we were
>> making orders of 100-500 every couple of weeks, we're now making and
>> shipping several thousand full sets each week. Unless they're
>> building up for yet another war, we're wasting an awful lot of rolling
>> stock over there. Seems fair enough to assume that *someone* is
>> driving those trucks when they get totaled.
>
>Your observation reminds me of a long ago story.....as Nixon drew the
>Vietnam troops from around 550,000 to nearly 125,000 this guy I argued with
>just knew it was all a lie because he had seen more troops landing in
>Vietnam than had been shipping out....personal observation is fraught with
>error (history readily proves the guy was wrong) . If you understood
>military procurement, after our troops are finally home you will find
>warehouses full of many "must have today" products including yours......Rod

Well, I hope that's the case- I'd rather be making things to sit in a
warehouse than to get blown apart as fast as they can be installed.

Thank you to one and all for confirming what I thought was pretty obvious.

SteveP.

"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard I got
>for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of my various
>blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was
>$2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those
>strops looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to
>them. Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue
>a piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently
>to a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something? Is
>there something special about the leather that I need to account for?
>Maybe its the wood. Is it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>
> Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>
> SteveP.
>

John L. Poole wrote:
> Highland Pairos wrote:
>> I was at a Woodcraft today trying to decide how to spend the giftcard
>> I got for Xmas (Yea Me!). I was looking at items for final honing of
>> my various blades. The strops that they sold were around $30 and the
>> honing paste was $2 something. Now I have to tell you, but to my
>> untrained eye, those strops looked a lot like a block of wood with a
>> piece of leather glued to them. Now, if that is the case, then it
>> strikes me that I can probably glue a piece of belt blank or a piece
>> of a leather coat that got ripped recently to a piece of wood and get
>> the same effect. Am I missing something? Is there something special
>> about the leather that I need to account for? Maybe its the wood. Is
>> it some exotic Honduran stropwood?
>>
>> Hope everyone's Christmas was good.
>>
>> SteveP.
>>
> I used a strop for all my wood carving chisels (and for my blades for
> cutting mats). I lost all my tools (divorce), but am building up again
> and just bought some carving chisels, making a strop has been on my list
> of things to make, I wouldn't want to start carving without having a
> strop nearby.
Hmmm... looks like the barbers have varying strops.
http://www.classicshaving.com/catalog/item/522944/196078.htm

The above URL has three kinds of paste to be used on separate leather
strops:
6 micron - "used on a very dull edge", 2-4 micron - "will refresh a
mildly dull edge", and leather conditioner for everyday use.

Possibly overkill for carving edges into wood, yes?

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:26:02 -0800, "Rod & Betty Jo"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I kind of thought your occasional rants were a Ann Coulter parody albeit
>considerably more exaggerated than she .....you mean your not a fan?

It is not possible to exaggerate more than Ann Coulter.

Any organization claiming to engage in responsible journalism which
includes her as a player has abrogated any legitimacy to such a claim.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm still trying to figure that one out. Dad has a full head of hair,
> both grandfathers had pretty much full heads of hair well into their 80's.
> My younger brother has hair. Seems to have skipped two full generations
> and found *me*. (At least one great-grandfather, maybe two, I only saw
> the one when he was in his 80's)
>

How about the UPS man?

"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> The strops that they sold were around $30 and the honing paste was $2
> something. Now I have to tell you, but to my untrained eye, those strops
> looked a lot like a block of wood with a piece of leather glued to them.
> Now, if that is the case, then it strikes me that I can probably glue a
> piece of belt blank or a piece of a leather coat that got ripped recently
> to a piece of wood and get the same effect. Am I missing something?

Sorry, it won't work. Strop need to be made professionally and you don't
have the skills. Next thing you know, you'll be trying to make your own
furniture and stuff.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
>
> Swingman wrote:
> > "Robatoy" wrote in message
> >
> > > ..and they distort the truth, if not the context, of many sound-bites
> > > as well.
> >
> > Example, please.
>
> When O'Reilly showed Mark Pfoley's image on screen, they put a 'D' next
> to Foley's name, labelling him a democrat. It was later said to have
> been a 'typo'. Typo, my ass.

Yeah, that's real earth shattering distortion there ... but the way you were
ranting I thought maybe he reported that the pope was a baptist, or
something.

> There are more examples, thank goodness you only asked for one... I'm
> trying to keep my food down.

Irrational hatred will do that to you ... do your digestion a favor and
locate your TV off/on switch/channel changer.

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