On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:20 GMT, "Mark Wells"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
>have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
>considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
>that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
>mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
>
>Mark
in use (if you use them for ripping) they take up *16 feet* of wall. I
can set up 3 pretty good sized machines in that space...
Bridger responds:
>>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
>>have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
>>considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
>>that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
>>mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
>>
>>Mark
>
>in use (if you use them for ripping) they take up *16 feet* of wall. I
>can set up 3 pretty good sized machines in that space...
It will also tilt out a couple feet and is easier to use if you've got another
few inches shoulder clearance to muscle the boards up to it.
I've got a 25' x 48' shop, and couldn't find space for one if I tried. Besides,
I'll be ripping a lot of 6-8" tulip poplar down to face frame width this
weekend, so I don't really see the benefit for me. I do cut some panels, maybe
about 10 a year. To pay $1000 and more for a machine that is necessary that few
times drives me right over to my circular saw and straight edge.
Someone noted he had two panel saws, one fitted for regular cutting, one for
dados. Sounds like fun, but his shop must be the size of a blimp hanger. I'm
not at all sure, either, how large a dado set one of them would swing, nor how
will it does tilted, nor how well a molding head would fit, nor...just a whole
bunch of things. Can you do a stopped dado? And on from there.
Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
Garrison Keillor
On 23 Jul 2004 08:26:12 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Someone noted he had two panel saws, one fitted for regular cutting, one for
>dados. Sounds like fun, but his shop must be the size of a blimp hanger. I'm
>not at all sure, either, how large a dado set one of them would swing, nor how
>will it does tilted, nor how well a molding head would fit, nor...just a whole
>bunch of things. Can you do a stopped dado? And on from there.
panel routers used to be just the ticket for that kind of application.
CNC has now made them all but obsolete.
>
>Charlie Self
>"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
>Garrison Keillor
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:20 GMT, "Mark Wells"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
>have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
>considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
>that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
>mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
PMFJI
Glad you mentioned this. I was wo0ndering about these and how good
they are.
Anyone built/used one and have any opinions? Cutting panels seems to
be the biggest bug these days for saws generally.
I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
take up huge space.
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"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
It prolly is.
Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:36:24 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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OK. Thanks. It was that sort I was referring to. Has anyone actually
built and used one of these sort? I realise they are going to be as
good as they're built and set up, and probably as good as the saw
used. But they seemed like a good idea for eh occasional user, given
the price of a commercial panel saw.
>> Anyone built/used one and have any opinions? Cutting panels seems to
>> be the biggest bug these days for saws generally.
>>
>> I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
>> horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
>> take up huge space.
>> *****************************************************
>> It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
>> rammed down our throats.
>
>Here's a plan: http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/panelcutguide.html
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:15:00 GMT, Old Nick <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:20 GMT, "Mark Wells"
><[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
>......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
>>have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
>>considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
>>that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
>>mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
>
>PMFJI
>Glad you mentioned this. I was wo0ndering about these and how good
>they are.
>
>Anyone built/used one and have any opinions? Cutting panels seems to
>be the biggest bug these days for saws generally.
>
>I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
>horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
>take up huge space.
both types are large and expensive for what they do. they do it well,
and if they fit your needs are great machines. I don't have space or
funds for either kind.
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:34:00 GMT, "U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles
Krug"@cdksystems.com> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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>dedicated pocket hole machine
.....which describes _every_ wood working tool doesn't it? <G>
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I think that is it. For a lot of cutting something like this could pay for
itself. JG
http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6480.html
MikeG wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> > goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> >
> > JP
> >
>
>
> A, good ones are expensive
>
> B, they take up space better used in other ways
>
> C, Might be a good investment if all you ever cut is sheet goods
> but.....................
>
> D, see C
>
> --
> MikeG
> Heirloom Woods
> www.heirloom-woods.net
> [email protected]
JGS writes:
>For a lot of cutting something like this could pay for
>itself. JG
>
>http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6480.html
Probably. But what do you do with the cabinet grade particle board like that I
currently am using: it is 144" x 25".
Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
Garrison Keillor
Rockler has plans and a kit for one constructed from 80/20 rectangular
t-slot tubing. Their kit is about $300, and about another $150 for the
wood etc required.
I've been accumulating bits and peices on ebay for about a year now, and
should be able to put one together this fall. All told I think, I'll
have about $300 in it when I'm done, including a dedicated saw to use on
it.
I'm guessing nobody else has made one, but if anyone has, do you like it?
Old Nick wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:16:48 -0700, [email protected] vaguely
> proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> The alternative is one such as the plans suggested by Lobby Dosser.
> Littlel room, reasonable cost.
>
>
>>>I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
>>>horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
>>>take up huge space.
>>>
>>both types are large and expensive for what they do. they do it well,
>>and if they fit your needs are great machines. I don't have space or
>>funds for either kind.
>>
>
> *****************************************************
> It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
> rammed down our throats.
>
I have a Full sized DeWalt panel saw that was missing the saw when I
got it. I installed a circular saw in it & it works great. I paid $100
for it. I have a full shop including 10" CS,6" Jointer, 12" portable
planer 12" RAS & 12" CMS RA drill press both 12" & 14" Band saw,
Mortiser, Spindle sande & 9"/48" combo sander & a 50 gal air
compressor, welder & 3'x5' workbench/out-feed table & a 2 HP DC. All
in a 13'5" x 24'5" shop.
Ya its crowded. But I have built a 8' long black melamine computer
desk it this shop so it can't be to bad.
The panel saw is what makes a small shop workable. Just put the sheet
goods through the PS first & it makes it a whole lot easier to handle
in a small shop.
I only have 1 36" door into the shop & straight ahead is the PS & I
store full sized sheet goods behind the PS.
Another thing it is a real back saver. Remember you only have one
back, so protect it.
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I get them sliced where I buy.
Me too usually. Gott'a be careful with MDF. Seven out'a ten times the cutter
forgets about the extra inch.
Tue, Jul 27, 2004, 10:19pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (Bart) claims:
<snip> The panel saw is what makes a small shop workable. <snip>
That's sorta correct. My shop's way too small for a panel saw. I
get them sliced where I buy. First 3 cuts free, the rest $.25 each.
But, they usually don't charge.
IF I still could handle full sheets, I'd just cut them down on the
back of my truck, with a straightedge, and circular saw. But, I can't,
so I don't.
JOAT
Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
You actualy find them that can measure?
"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2c5lt1->
> Me too usually. Gott'a be careful with MDF. Seven out'a ten times the
cutter
> forgets about the extra inch.
>
>
If you have them cut to size where you buy, do one of two things. Either
provide oversized dimensions, or measure before you leave.
I just had some plywood cut for me at my local Big B. The shop hand cut if
for me on their fancy schmancy panel saw and loaded it into my pickemup
truck. Got home and they were all 1/4 short. Fortunately for me, the
dimensions I gave were all a little oversized and I was still able to trim
everything down to correct size.
Wayne
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Tue, Jul 27, 2004, 10:19pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (Bart) claims:
> <snip> The panel saw is what makes a small shop workable. <snip>
>
> That's sorta correct. My shop's way too small for a panel saw. I
> get them sliced where I buy. First 3 cuts free, the rest $.25 each.
> But, they usually don't charge.
>
> IF I still could handle full sheets, I'd just cut them down on the
> back of my truck, with a straightedge, and circular saw. But, I can't,
> so I don't.
>
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
>
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:16:16 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark Jerde wrote:
>>>>> Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?
>>
>> Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! <g>
>
>
>
>That's been my theory all along. Who the hell can afford wood after buying all
>this stuff?
That's always my problem. Don't have jointer or planer at this time,
so I try to work with s4s, which means I can't afford to make anything
bigger than a breadbox. If I could afford the planer and jointer I
could buy cheaper rough lumber, but after buying the tools I wouldn't
have the dough to buy even rough-sawn. I could always go neander and
buy rough and surface it with a hand plane, but with the amount of
shop time I usually get that would mean I can only finish one project
a decade instead of my current one every 5 years....
Life is hard.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
> JP
I made one with sliding door hardware for the rails. Works perfectly,
accurate within 1/32". Prefer table saw for everything but cross
cutting sheet goods.
Takes up very little room, plus I put it on castors to move around the
shop.
mike
Fri, Jul 23, 2004, 2:12pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (mike) says:
I made one with sliding door hardware for the rails. Works perfectly,
accurate within 1/32". Prefer table saw for everything but cross cutting
sheet goods.
Takes up very little room, plus I put it on castors to move around the
shop.
Now that's an interesting concept. I'd like to see some pictures
of that. Except I'd havy to spend money. LOL If I had any that is.
however, it does give me some ideas on using angle iron (also have to
buy), or bed rails, which I wouldn't have to buy. Been thinking about
someting along those lines, out of wood, this would probably be better.
JOAT
Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:16:48 -0700, [email protected] vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
The alternative is one such as the plans suggested by Lobby Dosser.
Littlel room, reasonable cost.
>>I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
>>horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
>>take up huge space.
>
>both types are large and expensive for what they do. they do it well,
>and if they fit your needs are great machines. I don't have space or
>funds for either kind.
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It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
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Renata <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Don't you mean "highly comensated professional..."?
>
> And, thanx for reminding me I have a couple avocados waiting to be
> converted to guacamole.
>
> Renata
>
You can use a Kitchen Router for that. It also makes nice flutings
for watermelon boats.
Randy wrote:
> Rockler has plans and a kit for one constructed from 80/20
> rectangular t-slot tubing. Their kit is about $300, and about
> another $150 for the wood etc required.
>
> I've been accumulating bits and peices on ebay for about a
> year now, and should be able to put one together this fall.
> All told I think, I'll have about $300 in it when I'm done,
> including a dedicated saw to use on it.
>
> I'm guessing nobody else has made one, but if anyone has, do
> you like it?
Randy...
Please keep us posted on your progress! I've been doing the same
and think (hope) I'm on about the same schedule. Those
off-the-shelf units that approach "affordable" seem to be
universally too short; and those that're long enough are too pricey.
I'm cutting a fair number of plywood sheets for solar heating
panels using the Lee Valley saw guide, which works well; but
isn't really well-suited to production use.
The Rockler plans/reprint look like a good starting point for a
new design; but I think I'll build with chrome-molly steel,
Delrin, UHMWPE, and stainless fasteners - and yes, I'm planning
to like it fairly well (-:
I built a sled for my TS (under influence of the wRECk) and have
been pondering incorporation of a lockable "panel sled" moving on
linear bearings into my design. It might make the darned thing a
lot easier to use...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vfUMc.7771
> Running a 4'x8' sheet of plywood through a table saw at a 45 degree angle
> sounds pretty dangerous. But then, running it through straight calls for
> serious concentration.
Not at all if it's done properly. A simple angle guide and proper placement
of an outfeed table makes it very simple. But, forget about the 4x8 sheet.
What about simple mitres on smaller stock? As far as I've seen, a panel saw
is not capable of such cuts.
"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
> way:
>
> "The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
> extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
> for free from a tile guy.
>
Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
run out to the garage for the claw hammer.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Wes Stewart wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> |On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
> |<[email protected]> wrote:
> |
> |>
> |>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> |>news:[email protected]...
> |>
> |>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> |>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> |>
> |>It prolly is.
> |>Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
> |
> |Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
> |social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
> |avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
> |professional", whatever that means.
>
> I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
> "avocado"?
>
> Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
> (persea) other than guacamole? [g]
Avacados (a vaca dos): To two cows?
Avacados number ::= 2
(-:
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
"Lawrence Wasserman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
> <...previous quote snipped...>
>
> >Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
> >Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know
that
> >it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
> >must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but
can't
> >run out to the garage for the claw hammer.
> >
> >--
> Of couse the classic use for a CO2 extinguisher is as a "thermostat
> security enclosure override device"
>
>
I'm really quite surprised, having expanded the topic to common usages of
CO2 fire extinguishers, that nobody has picked up on it's most common use.
Doesn't everybody use it to chase the wife around the house with short
little spurts? It raises foreplay to entire new levels. Note of caution -
do not let he point it at you. You think a cold shower has a profound
effect...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
> JP
Because not everyone has the money. hehe.
Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
everyone has the need of a specialty tool.
Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I would
love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.
Rich
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
> JP
>
A, good ones are expensive
B, they take up space better used in other ways
C, Might be a good investment if all you ever cut is sheet goods
but.....................
D, see C
--
MikeG
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
[email protected]
Old Nick <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:16:48 -0700, [email protected] vaguely
> proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> The alternative is one such as the plans suggested by Lobby Dosser.
> Littlel room, reasonable cost.
Building one is on my list (near the bottom). I've been figuring on
building it on a rolling base with lumber rack on the other side and
panel storage in the center.
Note that panel saw setups can also be used four routing.
LD
>
>>>I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
>>>horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive
>>>and take up huge space.
>>
>>both types are large and expensive for what they do. they do it well,
>>and if they fit your needs are great machines. I don't have space or
>>funds for either kind.
>
> *****************************************************
> It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
> rammed down our throats.
>
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:50:17 GMT, Randy <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
This is what worries me. Nobody is replying. There are areas where I
am willing to pioneer, and even reinvent the wheel, but not here. This
is a "wanna" project, and is banned unless proven by TPTB
>I'm guessing nobody else has made one, but if anyone has, do you like it?
>
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It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:33:45 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>Reason #1) No dollars.
>>Reason #2) No space.
>
>
>And if I might add to the list, the dollars it would take to
>buy one would take away from the dollars to buy a stroke
>sander and the space it would take up would take space away
>from the space where'd I'd be keeping my stroke sander.
Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well. Maybe I'd
better add another thousand feet to my fictitious shop so I can
properly house my imaginary panel saw and stroke sander.
JP
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What budget?
Old Nick <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:54:20 GMT, "Mark Wells"
> <[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications.
>>I have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw.
>>I was considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall.
>>It seems me that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up
>>that much room mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
>
> PMFJI
> Glad you mentioned this. I was wo0ndering about these and how good
> they are.
>
> Anyone built/used one and have any opinions? Cutting panels seems to
> be the biggest bug these days for saws generally.
>
> I actually think that the panel saws being referred to are the large
> horizontal machines, niot these wall ones. They are very expensive and
> take up huge space.
> *****************************************************
> It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
> rammed down our throats.
Here's a plan: http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/panelcutguide.html
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:05:43 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
> JP
Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
way:
"The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
for free from a tile guy.
Were I making kitchen cabinets for a living, I'd consider the benefits.
BUT, for me, the money-space budget simply doesn't justify it.
I setup sheetgoods on horses with a shop-built guide and cut everything
to finished size at the top of the project with a circular saw. If it's
raining, I might have to rearrange my garage.
Considering it's "Just a circular saw . . " I've done quite a lot of
good accurate woodworking with it. Great multitasker for the guy
(*WAVES*) for whom dissecting sheet goods on a contractor saw is outside
of his comfort/safety zone.
Even if I had a Nahm budget, I'm not sure I'd want one, any more than
I think I'd want his dedicated pocket hole machine and resaw bandsaw,
though obviously if I'm building hundreds of face frames or working with
exotic veneers, that all changes.
*checks to see if SWMBO is reading*
*convinced he's alone, starts sketching how to arrange things to fit the
panel saw, pocket hole machine, Laguna Megablurfl . . . *
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cgDMc.3919
> Here's a plan: http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/panelcutguide.html
For all the benefits a panel saw might supply, I have yet to see an
affordable one or a build-your-own model that can cut diagonals. Same for
mitres? There must other cuts that a panel saw can't do that a table saw
can. I suppose one could work around it by clamping sheet goods on an angle,
but it would be a pain to readjust for incremental cuts to sneak up on a
cutting line and pretty well impossible for cutting a 90° slice off the
middle of a 4'x8' sheet.
And yes, you can add a chop saw or something similar to do things like
mitres, but doesn't that defeat some of the biggest proponents for a panel
saw, the saving of space and money?
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:18:29 -0700, [email protected] vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
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>On 23 Jul 2004 14:12:43 -0700, [email protected] (mike) wrote:
>
>>Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>>>
>>> JP
>>
>>I made one with sliding door hardware for the rails. Works perfectly,
>>accurate within 1/32". Prefer table saw for everything but cross
>>cutting sheet goods.
>>Takes up very little room, plus I put it on castors to move around the
>>shop.
>>
>>mike
>
>
>post pictures?
Yes please. I second that.
*****************************************************
It's not the milk and honey we hate. It's having it
rammed down our throats.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:vfUMc.7771
>
>> Running a 4'x8' sheet of plywood through a table saw at a 45 degree
>> angle sounds pretty dangerous. But then, running it through straight
>> calls for serious concentration.
>
> Not at all if it's done properly. A simple angle guide and proper
> placement of an outfeed table makes it very simple. But, forget about
> the 4x8 sheet. What about simple mitres on smaller stock? As far as
> I've seen, a panel saw is not capable of such cuts.
>
>
>
Don't know why not. Just calls for a different design than the norm. You'd
have to clamp the stock to a variable angle tray.
Lobby Dosser writes:
>> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:vfUMc.7771
>>
>>> Running a 4'x8' sheet of plywood through a table saw at a 45 degree
>>> angle sounds pretty dangerous. But then, running it through straight
>>> calls for serious concentration.
>>
>> Not at all if it's done properly. A simple angle guide and proper
>> placement of an outfeed table makes it very simple. But, forget about
>> the 4x8 sheet. What about simple mitres on smaller stock? As far as
>> I've seen, a panel saw is not capable of such cuts.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Don't know why not. Just calls for a different design than the norm. You'd
>have to clamp the stock to a variable angle tray.
>
>
>
Point being, you cannot do it NOW on a panel saw, and not on any I've ever
seen. It requies a modified outfeed table on a table saw, that can still be
used for other things, but adding a variable angle tray to a panel saw, and
making it removable, might be quite interesting. But it still won't beat the
crap out of a table saw.
Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.'"
Garrison Keillor
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Lobby Dosser writes:
>
>>> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:vfUMc.7771
>>>
>>>> Running a 4'x8' sheet of plywood through a table saw at a 45 degree
>>>> angle sounds pretty dangerous. But then, running it through
>>>> straight calls for serious concentration.
>>>
>>> Not at all if it's done properly. A simple angle guide and proper
>>> placement of an outfeed table makes it very simple. But, forget
>>> about the 4x8 sheet. What about simple mitres on smaller stock? As
>>> far as I've seen, a panel saw is not capable of such cuts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Don't know why not. Just calls for a different design than the norm.
>>You'd have to clamp the stock to a variable angle tray.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Point being, you cannot do it NOW on a panel saw, and not on any I've
> ever seen.
Good heavens! I'd never buy one, I'd build it.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:10:48 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>Jay Pique <[email protected]> writes:
>>Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>>goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>Reason #2) No space.
Yeah. I thought so too, but my shop is narrow and long, and cutting sheet goods
horizontally was an exercise in contortionism. A few times I'd lay the panels
down out in the back yard and hack them up with Pennstate's saw guide, but I got
tired of shoveling snow out of a section of the outdoor 'annex', or cleaning mud
of of everything.
I saved up for a panel saw over a few years and don't ever regret buying it.
When it stands against the wall it only takes up about a foot of floor space.
Tom Flyer
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:07:06 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws_@_yahoo.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>|On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
>|<[email protected]> wrote:
>|
>|>
>|>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>|>news:[email protected]...
>|>
>|>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>|>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>|>
>|>It prolly is.
>|>Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
>|
>|Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
>|social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
>|avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
>|professional", whatever that means.
>
>I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
>"avocado"?
>
>Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
>(persea) other than guacamole? [g]
The pits make excellent ammo for my giant slingshot.
JP
**********
Peace through superior firepower.
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xFYLc.108903$eO.97494@edtnps89...
> I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
> I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one
is
> dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
> compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
> I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
> saw.
There maybe panel saws on the market that can cut sheet good at an angle,
but the one in my local Home Depot only cuts vertical and horizontal. What
about diagonal?
"Mark Wells" <[email protected]> writes:
>I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
>have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
>considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
>that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
>mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
Well, I don't have any free wall space....
scott
>>
>>
>
>
I'll have to see what kinda bit I can use in that there kitchen router
to make it "artisitic".
Speaking of...
This weekend I used my handy Milwaukee cordless sawzall to cut thru a
roll of (basement) carpet (12' wide, but only for a length of ~4';
then the other 14'+ needed to only be ~8' wide). Worked like a charm,
though we went back with scissors to trim the few random "strings"!
Renata
On 23 Jul 2004 12:20:09 -0700, [email protected] (WoodChuck34)
wrote:
>Renata <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Don't you mean "highly comensated professional..."?
>>
>> And, thanx for reminding me I have a couple avocados waiting to be
>> converted to guacamole.
>>
>> Renata
>>
>
>You can use a Kitchen Router for that. It also makes nice flutings
>for watermelon boats.
Mark Jerde wrote:
>>>> Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.
>>
>> Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?
>
> Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! <g>
That's been my theory all along. Who the hell can afford wood after buying all
this stuff?
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
I was comparing it to the average table saw. FWIW are you talking just
panels? What are the lumber capabilities of a panel saw? I've only cut
panels on one.
Rich
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xFYLc.108903$eO.97494@edtnps89...
> I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
> I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one
is
> dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
> compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
> I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
> saw.
>
> Chris
>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> > > goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> > >
> > > JP
> >
> > Because not everyone has the money. hehe.
> >
> > Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
> > everyone has the need of a specialty tool.
> >
> > Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I
would
> > love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.
> >
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
>
>
>
Scott Lurndal wrote:
>Reason #1) No dollars.
>Reason #2) No space.
And if I might add to the list, the dollars it would take to
buy one would take away from the dollars to buy a stroke
sander and the space it would take up would take space away
from the space where'd I'd be keeping my stroke sander.
UA100, who'd much rather have a stroke sander any day...
On 23 Jul 2004 14:12:43 -0700, [email protected] (mike) wrote:
>Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>>
>> JP
>
>I made one with sliding door hardware for the rails. Works perfectly,
>accurate within 1/32". Prefer table saw for everything but cross
>cutting sheet goods.
>Takes up very little room, plus I put it on castors to move around the
>shop.
>
>mike
post pictures?
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:52:38 GMT, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Cooking show (Good Eats -- Recommended) host Alton Brown puts it this
>> way:
>>
>> "The only single tasker I permit in my kitchen is the fire
>> extinguisher." Instead of a garlic press, he uses a marble scrap he got
>> for free from a tile guy.
>>
>
>Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
>Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
>it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
>must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
>run out to the garage for the claw hammer.
Curious fire extinguisher incident. Back in about 1978-79 my father
was working at a shipyard scrapping out old Liberty ships. The crane
operator tried too heavy a lift and started to tip, so he tripped the
load. The crane (large crawler) whipped back and forth a few times
then hopped off the 12x12 wood (OWWR) tracks it sat on and dropped to
the concrete pier. The fire extinguisher (metal cased dry chemical
type) dropped out of the cab as it was swaying and fell just ahead of
the crane, which then landed on top of the fire extinguisher. He later
showed me where the fire extinguisher was driven into the concrete of
the pier *without bursting* by the weight of the crane. Impressed the
heck out of me both the weight of the crane and how much pressure the
extinguisher took.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
>It prolly is.
>Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
professional", whatever that means.
JP
*************
Learning.
Thu, Jul 22, 2004, 7:00pm [email protected] (Jay=A0Pique) admitted:
<snip> I am, however, a "paid professional" <snip>
Paid professional what?
JOAT
Every thing that happens stays happened.
- Death waxes philosophical
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:48:18 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Thu, Jul 22, 2004, 7:00pm [email protected] (Jay Pique) admitted:
><snip> I am, however, a "paid professional" <snip>
>
> Paid professional what?
Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.
JP
*****************
Meliora.
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:20:32 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Fri, Jul 23, 2004, 12:10pm [email protected] (Jay Pique) claims:
>Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.
>
> "Ostensibly" - Interesting word choice.
Accurate, though. I'm a paid employee of a cabinetmaker, and I do
pretty much everything involved in the construction of cabinetry. Am
I a "master"? Not yet. Will I be? That's certainly my goal.
Right now I'm just trying to soak up as much as I can from my current
employer - a lot of which includes learning what *not* to do, IMO.
It's frustrating at times, but I feel like I'm headed in the right
direction. Between books and the internet I think I'm learning fairly
quickly.
I'm also paying my way to the IWF in Atlanta next month, and while
there I hope to meet with a number of larger shop owners. Ideally I'd
find myself a new job, but I think it will be worthwhile no matter the
outcome. I can't wait to check out all of the production shop
equipment. My dream is to run an extremely well tooled and
efficiently run 2 man shop - just me and an apprentice. To start I'll
focus exclusively on built in cabinetry, and take great pains to
streamline the process as much as I can. We'll see.
JP
*******************
Any other wreckers going to ATL?
Fri, Jul 23, 2004, 12:10pm [email protected] (Jay=A0Pique) claims:
Ostensibly, a cabinetmaker.
"Ostensibly" - Interesting word choice.
JOAT
Every thing that happens stays happened.
- Death waxes philosophical
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:52:38 +0000, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
> Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, [...]
Indeed, I used my fire extinguisher as a rolling pin this very evening
(my actual rolling pin is packed in a box because I'm moving). Wrapped it
in aluminum foil first, though.
That ought to put me into the Misuse Of Tools Hall Of Fame (if I hadn't
already made it there by using Vice-Grips to stir paint once when I was
9). Worked OK, but was a pain to use because the handle and nozzle
protrude out past the radius of the body.
--
-Chip Olson. | ceo2 at thsi dot org | remove the 2 to reply
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:29:54 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.
>
>Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?
Sawdust?
JP
***************
Tooling up.
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.
Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
|On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
|<[email protected]> wrote:
|
|>
|>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|>news:[email protected]...
|>
|>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
|>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
|>
|>It prolly is.
|>Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
|
|Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
|social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
|avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
|professional", whatever that means.
I'm confused. Do you mean "Avogadro's number" (6.02*10^23) or
"avocado"?
Which brings up the question, can you make anything out of avocado
(persea) other than guacamole? [g]
Jay Pique <[email protected]> writes:
>Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>
>JP
Reason #1) No dollars.
Reason #2) No space.
scott
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:58:27 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ooooh yeah - I've simply GOT to get one of those as well.
>
> Yeah, but are you actually going to _make_ anything ?
Maybe not, but it's nice to know I *could*! <g>
-- Mark
Don't you mean "highly comensated professional..."?
And, thanx for reminding me I have a couple avocados waiting to be
converted to guacamole.
Renata
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:59 -0400, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:52 GMT, "patrick conroy"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
>>> goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
>>
>>It prolly is.
>>Just how much moola you got to throw at this hobby?
>
>Let's see...gross income less FICA plus illegal gambling gains less
>social security plus change stolen from neighbors couch divided by
>avacados number equals right around "zero". I am, however, a "paid
>professional", whatever that means.
>
>JP
>*************
>Learning.
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's always my problem. Don't have jointer or planer at this time,
> so I try to work with s4s, which means I can't afford to make anything
The lil' local hardwood supplier in a small town north of here will turn S2S
and S3S into S4s for me for a small additional charge. Pretty sure most HW
suppliers would do the same. Don't know your frame-of-reference, but's its
still much cheaper that S4S from the BORG
>
> Life is hard.
Yes, yes it is quite challenging at times.
yup that's about the list
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jay Pique <[email protected]> writes:
> >Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> >goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> >
> >JP
>
> Reason #1) No dollars.
> Reason #2) No space.
>
> scott
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
<...previous quote snipped...>
>Oh bull! Everyone knows a fire extinguisher is not a single task device.
>Hell - it can be used as an excellent rolling pin, and all of us know that
>it can also be called upon to act as a hammer in a pinch, when you simply
>must drive that 16D through the cutting board to hold it in place, but can't
>run out to the garage for the claw hammer.
>
>--
Of couse the classic use for a CO2 extinguisher is as a "thermostat
security enclosure override device"
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
Now, wait a minute. There are options aside from buying a planer and
jointer that will allow you to build something bigger than a breadbox.
Find yourself a decent lumber supplier, one who will surface the wood
for ya. Try woodfinder.com. Or even the phone book.
I've bought wood locally and mail order and haven't had any trouble
having the places doing the selling plane and joint the wood for but a
small extra charge.
Renata
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:05:45 -0700, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>That's always my problem. Don't have jointer or planer at this time,
>so I try to work with s4s, which means I can't afford to make anything
>bigger than a breadbox. If I could afford the planer and jointer I
>could buy cheaper rough lumber, but after buying the tools I wouldn't
>have the dough to buy even rough-sawn. I could always go neander and
>buy rough and surface it with a hand plane, but with the amount of
>shop time I usually get that would mean I can only finish one project
>a decade instead of my current one every 5 years....
>
>Life is hard.
>
>Tim Douglass
>
>http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:cgDMc.3919
>> Here's a plan: http://store.yahoo.com/plansnow/panelcutguide.html
>
> For all the benefits a panel saw might supply, I have yet to see an
> affordable one or a build-your-own model that can cut diagonals. Same
> for mitres? There must other cuts that a panel saw can't do that a
> table saw can. I suppose one could work around it by clamping sheet
> goods on an angle, but it would be a pain to readjust for incremental
> cuts to sneak up on a cutting line and pretty well impossible for
> cutting a 90° slice off the middle of a 4'x8' sheet.
Running a 4'x8' sheet of plywood through a table saw at a 45 degree angle
sounds pretty dangerous. But then, running it through straight calls for
serious concentration.
>
> And yes, you can add a chop saw or something similar to do things like
> mitres, but doesn't that defeat some of the biggest proponents for a
> panel saw, the saving of space and money?
>
>
>
I'm also wondering about all the "no money, no space" justifications. I
have a 9x19 shop with no table saw. The bandsaw is my primary saw. I was
considering building a panel saw and mounting it on the wall. It seems me
that would be relatively inexpensive and wouldn't take up that much room
mounted on the wall. Am I missing something?
Mark
"Chris Melanson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xFYLc.108903$eO.97494@edtnps89...
> I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
> I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one
is
> dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
> compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
> I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
> saw.
>
> Chris
>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> > > goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> > >
> > > JP
> >
> > Because not everyone has the money. hehe.
> >
> > Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
> > everyone has the need of a specialty tool.
> >
> > Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I
would
> > love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.
> >
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
>
>
I am curious as to what you mean by "limited in it function"?
I have two in the shop one is unable to use dado blades and the other one is
dado capable. Other than this fact what is limited about these saws? As
compared to any decent cabinetmaking saw???
I find them to be far more useful and productive than a regular table
saw.
Chris
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > Why doesn't everyone just get a panel saw for cutting large sheet
> > goods? Seems like a much better option than even a sliding table saw.
> >
> > JP
>
> Because not everyone has the money. hehe.
>
> Also the panel saw is awesome but it is limited in its function so not
> everyone has the need of a specialty tool.
>
> Never used a sliding table saw so dont know if its better or not. I would
> love to have the sliding table saw to try it out.
>
>
> Rich
>
>