slightly OT: LV plane for UHMW plastic

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

> That's about $250 for the pair + s/h.

I'm thinking the southpaw one can wait, and s/h doesn't apply as the
stores only 10 minutes away.

;-)

In article <[email protected]>, Lew
Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Let's see how close you come to the following profile:
>
> 1) You are in your mid forties to early fifties,

Yup. 52 this coming June.

> 2) Earn a salary that puts you in the top 20%,

With changes over the past five years, possibly the highest paid
manager other than the publisher and sales director.

> 3) Are vested in a company paid pension plan that is just starting to
> require a major increase in payments as you approach retirement age.

Nope. We switched to a "defined contribution" plan about 10 years ago.

> 4) Have a company paid medical plan that is starting to see dramatic
> increases in premium based on your length of service.(16 years) and
> increasing age.

Nope. It's a bit different here in Canuckistan.

> 5) Have always been considered a "Company Man", not a rabble rouser.

ROFL! Definitely not. In fact, it was most likely the fact the new
publisher (former ad director) and I butted heads so frequently before
his promotion that I was fired. He never liked me, and the feeling was
quite mutual.

> IOW, if they fire you, probably won't get an attorney and sue.

> 6) If you drop dead this afternoon, will have a replacement in place
> with the week.

They're going to have a tough time with some of it. A few days after I
was let go, I got an email asking how I did some of the job. My reply
was if they wished to retain me as a consultant I would prepare a
quote. I suspect they will limp along until some upgrade or other
breaks the custom workflows I developed over the years, and then
they'll simply shoehorn that part of the operation into an
off-the-shelf solution that corporate IT will then proceed to ignore.

In any event, they offered a reasonable severance package that I
accepted and I am now relaxing and looking at a couple of business
ventures. This is an opportunity, and not a setback.

In article <[email protected]>, Edward
Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:

> On the other heading, if you can document a pattern of
> comparable dismissals based on criteria other than
> performance factors, your view of prospects might sharpen if you
> saw , yes, a lawyer. Should records and testimony from workmates
> be forthcoming in support of your case, determinants to further action
> shift to whether your erstwhile firm has sufficient assets to pursue ,
> whether
> you have the stomach for what may be a protracted ordeal and whether
> you can find an able lawyer willing to consider your case on terms
> satisfactory
> to you.

Employment legislation here in Saskatchewan allows them to do exactly
what they did. In fact, they could have given me a month's pay and and
told me to f*ck off.

The severance package they offered was reasonable, however, and fairly
easy to accept.

In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Congrats on the plane, sorry about the job loss, but it could be the
> best thing.
>
> I was let go after just over 20 years with the same company, as part of
> a major downsizing. I got full severance and more according to Canadian
> standards etc. Company went belly up, almost a year to the day I left,
> anybody still there got zilch, zip and nada.

I don't see that happening in the short term, but I do think they are
making some very flawed business decisions today that are going to bite
them hard in a few years.

The print publishing industry is undergoing a major sea change, and
unfortunately most publishers haven't figured out that entirely new
business models are required. Instead, they are simply moving the old
models (sell space to eyeballs) into new and exciting technologies.

This was/is a good time for me to get out and move on.

In article <[email protected]>, Edward
Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:

> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
> tight-clearance
> and miniature work, check out
> www.micromark.com
> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.

You bastard. There goes the severance pay...

In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.

Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.

OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.

In article <[email protected]>, Han
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
> news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
>
> > s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
> >
>
> Not fair ...

Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide to
Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
Saskatoon store", then?

In article <[email protected]>, Larry <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
>
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>, Edward
> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
> >> tight-clearance and miniature work, check out
> >> www.micromark.com for a novel thing or two. My elves use
> >> this stuff all the time.
> >
> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
> >
>
> I had exactly the same thought. Lot's of neat stuff that you
> can't find anywhere else. One can never own too many tools...

Damned straight. I want to win!

In article <[email protected]>,
EXT <[email protected]> wrote:

> I now work with my son's company, an internet e-zine publisher. ---- The new
> wave in "printing".

CBC Radio news this morning is reporting an end to the "Postage
Assistance Program" or "PAP". Apparently the funds will be used to
support traditional publishers in developing a web presence.

I haven't been able to find details online yet.

My former employer gets in the neighborhood of $1 million annually
under PAP. Without it, I suspect a serious round of outsourcing design
and production to Asia.

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:30 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Han
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
> >> news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
> >>
> >> > s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not fair ...
> >
> >Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide to
> >Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
> >Saskatoon store", then?
>
> Ow! Ow, let go of my leg!

Pull the other one, it's got bells on it?

<http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:49:20 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >EXT <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I now work with my son's company, an internet e-zine publisher. ---- The
> >> new
> >> wave in "printing".
> >
> >CBC Radio news this morning is reporting an end to the "Postage
> >Assistance Program" or "PAP". Apparently the funds will be used to
> >support traditional publishers in developing a web presence.
> >
> >I haven't been able to find details online yet.
>
> Nuttin' on Google.
>
>
> >My former employer gets in the neighborhood of $1 million annually
> >under PAP. Without it, I suspect a serious round of outsourcing design
> >and production to Asia.
>
> "WTF for?" I screamed.

Well, the department I ran had a budget of about $450,000 so they'll
want to recover some of that million there. It's a lot cheaper to have
someone in Manila or Delhi pick up material over the net and send a PDF
back...

The days of business owners caring about anything other than maximizing
shareholder value for the next quarter are long gone, C-less.

In article
<caf446cf-b325-4e3c-9746-b808677eb5bf@n16g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 20, 1:37 pm, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> > Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > >Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide to
> > > >Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
> > > >Saskatoon store", then?
> >
> > > Ow!  Ow, let go of my leg!
> >
> > Pull the other one, it's got bells on it?
> >
> > <http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>
>
> If it's got "bells", umm, that's not a leg. =:O

Depends... Are you a Morris Dancer?

;-)

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ><http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>
>
> No, not that one, the part where you said they built a store just for
> you

Din't read the inscription at the link, didja?

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:24:28 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> ><http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>
> >>
> >> No, not that one, the part where you said they built a store just for
> >> you
> >
> >Din't read the inscription at the link, didja?
>
> Hah! No, I just saw the sig. I didn't try to read the henscratch.
> That's a keeper, fer sher.

I'll confess to leaving the store with one big SEG that day...

In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> That's about $250 for the pair + s/h.
> >
> > I'm thinking the southpaw one can wait, and s/h doesn't apply as the
> > stores only 10 minutes away.
> >
> > ;-)
>
>
> Is that a drive by?

Nope, a full neener...

;-)

In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Edward
> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
> >> tight-clearance
> >> and miniature work, check out
> >> www.micromark.com
> >> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
> >
> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
>
> visit
>
> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
>
> And you'll need a new job ...
>

I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...

In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:220220112058241882%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>, Edward
> >> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
> >> >> tight-clearance
> >> >> and miniature work, check out
> >> >> www.micromark.com
> >> >> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
> >> >
> >> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
> >>
> >> visit
> >>
> >> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
> >>
> >> And you'll need a new job ...
> >>
> >
> > I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...
>
>
> with grantee top?

As long as it passes the nickel test.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:37:04 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>My former staff (I was "dismissed without cause" from my job of 16
>years recently)

Condolences, Dave.


>geve me a $150 gift card for Lee Valley. One of the

Well, at least it's a nice slap.


>tools I bought is their miniature edge plane
><http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=66567&cat=1,41182>.

Cool little toy.


>I've been doing some work with UHMW plastic and does this little plane
>ever do a sweet number putting the gloss back on the cut edges!
>
>I'm going to go back and get its big brother!

That's about $250 for the pair + s/h.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

"Dave Balderstone" wrote:

> My former staff (I was "dismissed without cause" from my job of 16
> years recently) geve me a $150 gift card for Lee Valley.
----------------------------------
"Without cause" based on whose viewpoint?

Let's see how close you come to the following profile:

1) You are in your mid forties to early fifties,
2) Earn a salary that puts you in the top 20%,
3) Are vested in a company paid pension plan that is just starting to
require a major increase in payments as you approach retirement age.
4) Have a company paid medical plan that is starting to see dramatic
increases in premium based on your length of service.(16 years) and
increasing age.
5) Have always been considered a "Company Man", not a rabble rouser.
IOW, if they fire you, probably won't get an attorney and sue.
6) If you drop dead this afternoon, will have a replacement in place
with the week.

Bottom line..............................

You are expendable.

BTW, been to the movie.

Not all bad once you pick yourself up and start walking.

Good luck.

Lew

"Dave Balderstone" wrote:
<snip>
> In any event, they offered a reasonable severance package that I
> accepted and I am now relaxing and looking at a couple of business
> ventures. This is an opportunity, and not a setback.
------------------------------
Super.

Lew

"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/19/11 10:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
>>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>>
>> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
>> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
>> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
>> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>>
>> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.
>
> The big change happened over the Y2K issue, most companies did major
> systems upgrades, gone were the days of 4 and 5 part invoices etc., then
> it declined from there.
>
> Ah well, all in the name of progress, good luck in whatever you should
> decide to do.
>

Wow. Been there too. Worked in a private printing plant owned by a major gas
utility in Ontario. Company was taken over by pipeline company in Alberta.
They waited until the company celebrated its 150th anniversary, and within
weeks changed its name and started stripping departments and subsidiaries
until it was down to the bare bones with everything outsourced. My
department was being sold to Xerox. Being 58 and having worked in the
company for 40 years, I could see that I was doomed. After seeing what was
happening in other areas of the company, I decided my best move was to bail
out as I was 2 months into qualifying for early retirement without penalty.
I was disgusted with demands of management in regard to the way they wanted
me to treat our 30 employees, and walked in on a Monday with a request for
retirement. With accumulated vacation time owing me, plus some other time I
was owed, my last day was the next Friday. Basically, I gave them 5 days
notice. Never looked back.

I now work with my son's company, an internet e-zine publisher. ---- The new
wave in "printing".

"Swingman" wrote:

> Just for grins, after reading the above I flipped back through the
> register and counted the number of checks I wrote out of the
> household account in the year 2010 ... a total of 31 checks, less
> than three a month for the entire year.
>
> 1995 it was well over 250 from the same account, with a slight
> increase in the number of transactions in 2010.
>
> Times, and methods, change ...
>
> Now, if only the electric grid can be maintained.
------------------------------------
SFWIW, one of my principles has stopped mailing hard copy invoices
under separate cover.

Invoice sent via e-mail with hard copy included in shipment of
equipment.

As far as hard copy checks are concerned, personal account could be
limited to one/month; however, averages about two/month just
because...........

A long way from what was done 10 years ago.

Lew

Lew

On 02/19/2011 12:29 PM, CW wrote:
> "Dave Balderstone"<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:190220110911089027%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> In article<[email protected]>, Edward
>> Hennessey<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On the other heading, if you can document a pattern of
>>> comparable dismissals based on criteria other than
>>> performance factors, your view of prospects might sharpen if you
>>> saw , yes, a lawyer. Should records and testimony from workmates
>>> be forthcoming in support of your case, determinants to further action
>>> shift to whether your erstwhile firm has sufficient assets to pursue ,
>>> whether
>>> you have the stomach for what may be a protracted ordeal and whether
>>> you can find an able lawyer willing to consider your case on terms
>>> satisfactory
>>> to you.
>>
>> Employment legislation here in Saskatchewan allows them to do exactly
>> what they did. In fact, they could have given me a month's pay and and
>> told me to f*ck off.
>>
>> The severance package they offered was reasonable, however, and fairly
>> easy to accept.
>
> You cauld have been in the US where they just say "bye".
>
>
Oh, I don't know - my (once) large US corporation said goodbye to me
with a (small) retiree pension, (good but expensive) medical and 3 weeks
for every year severance for 73 weeks pay. I went with no complaints.

They are now about 1/4 the size they were and are busily divesting
themselves into oblivion.

"Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As a father of a former Boy Scout, a current Girl Scout and employed at
> Burroughs Payment Systems , I thank you for writing those checks.
>
> Mike in Ohio
>

I remember the Burroughs name when it meant main frame computers,
calculators and cash registers! Is that what the company finally settled
down to become in this age? Do they make any business equipment any more?

"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "EXT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/19/11 10:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>>> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms,
>>>>> cheques,
>>>>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
>>>> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
>>>> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
>>>> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>>>>
>>>> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.
>>>
>>> The big change happened over the Y2K issue, most companies did major
>>> systems upgrades, gone were the days of 4 and 5 part invoices etc., then
>>> it declined from there.
>>>
>>> Ah well, all in the name of progress, good luck in whatever you should
>>> decide to do.
>>>
>>
>> Wow. Been there too. Worked in a private printing plant owned by a major
>> gas utility in Ontario. Company was taken over by pipeline company in
>> Alberta. They waited until the company celebrated its 150th anniversary,
>> and within weeks changed its name and started stripping departments and
>> subsidiaries until it was down to the bare bones with everything
>> outsourced. My department was being sold to Xerox.
>
> And the part that was sold to Xerox was dead in less than 5 years?

Don't know, haven't been back in 10 years, but probably. After what I went
through with them, I don't care what they did, as long as my pension check
keeps coming as I took early retirement to get out.

On 2/19/2011 1:42 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> Just for grins, after reading the above I flipped back through the
>> register and counted the number of checks I wrote out of the
>> household account in the year 2010 ... a total of 31 checks, less
>> than three a month for the entire year.
>>
>> 1995 it was well over 250 from the same account, with a slight
>> increase in the number of transactions in 2010.
>>
>> Times, and methods, change ...
>>
>> Now, if only the electric grid can be maintained.
> ------------------------------------
> SFWIW, one of my principles has stopped mailing hard copy invoices
> under separate cover.
>
> Invoice sent via e-mail with hard copy included in shipment of
> equipment.
>
> As far as hard copy checks are concerned, personal account could be
> limited to one/month; however, averages about two/month just
> because...........
>
> A long way from what was done 10 years ago.

If it wasn't for girl scout cookies and boy scout popcorn, I'd written
less than 25 last year.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

As a father of a former Boy Scout, a current Girl Scout and employed at
Burroughs Payment Systems , I thank you for writing those checks.

Mike in Ohio

On 02/20/2011 09:06 AM, Swingman wrote:
<snip>
> If it wasn't for girl scout cookies and boy scout popcorn, I'd written
> less than 25 last year.
>

On 2/19/2011 9:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>
> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>
> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.

Just for grins, after reading the above I flipped back through the
register and counted the number of checks I wrote out of the household
account in the year 2010 ... a total of 31 checks, less than three a
month for the entire year.

1995 it was well over 250 from the same account, with a slight increase
in the number of transactions in 2010.

Times, and methods, change ...

Now, if only the electric grid can be maintained.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:180220111937048208%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> My former staff (I was "dismissed without cause" from my job of 16
> years recently) geve me a $150 gift card for Lee Valley. One of the
> tools I bought is their miniature edge plane
> <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=66567&cat=1,41182>.
>
> I've been doing some work with UHMW plastic and does this little
> plane
> ever do a sweet number putting the gloss back on the cut edges!
>
> I'm going to go back and get its big brother!

DB:

I share the joy in a tool that sings your satisfaction.

On the other heading, if you can document a pattern of
comparable dismissals based on criteria other than
performance factors, your view of prospects might sharpen if you
saw , yes, a lawyer. Should records and testimony from workmates
be forthcoming in support of your case, determinants to further action
shift to whether your erstwhile firm has sufficient assets to pursue ,
whether
you have the stomach for what may be a protracted ordeal and whether
you can find an able lawyer willing to consider your case on terms
satisfactory
to you.

We all understand that a business undergoing economic distress
has a right to consider the salaries on its balance sheet in retaining
employees. But if it demonstrably cuts only those employees in
certain pay ranges based on other distinctions...they better be
legally permissible ones.

By way of example, I called up the page below searching under
"wrongful termination" and "Los Angeles, California":

http://www.martindale.com/Results.aspx?ft=1&frm=freesearch&afs=%22los%20angeles%2C%20california%22%20%22wrongful%20termination%22

In your place, I would place emphasis on a a peer-review rating of
AV,
(where A is for utmost technical ability and V for ethical conduct)
along
with looking for cluster of practice specializations complementary to
wrongful termination. Martindale (or Martindale-Hubbell) is--and has
long
been--the reliable rating touchstone for attorneys. Featured placement
in their
searches can be bought; the peer ratings are another and more
important
thing. This is a reference that has proven value by my experience.

Should you decide to contact selected lawyers, I highly suggest you
make a
logical and chronological written outline of your case as a calling
card to invite
interest. Carefully craft a presentation indexing evidence on hand or
discoverable, review the results then give the smartest people you
know
unbridled rein to critically comment during revisions
and you will serve yourself and your pocketbook well.

Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
tight-clearance
and miniature work, check out
www.micromark.com
for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Not really. Sperry and Burroughs merged in the 1990's or so. The new
company became Unisys. Both had a flavor of Mainframe, A Series and IX
Series. Both product lines are made and sold today, though mostly as
virtual machines. But about 4 - 5 years ago the Unisys Payment Systems
Division was made a wholly owned subsidiary, AKA Unisys Payment Systems.
Last year, Feb. 2010, we got sold. We got a new name BPS. We still
have the Burroughs factory in Michigan. Unisys kept the mainframes,
desktop services, storage devices, high end servers business. We sell
(and make a few) financial products, check sorters, safes, printers,
change dispensers, etc. We are starting to branch out from financial
institutions to retail side with the safes.

So for those that check their accounts on line, there is a 75% chance my
sorter took the picture of the check that you wrote.

Mike in Ohio

On 02/21/2011 11:31 AM, EXT wrote:
>
> "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> As a father of a former Boy Scout, a current Girl Scout and employed
>> at Burroughs Payment Systems , I thank you for writing those checks.
>>
>> Mike in Ohio
>>
>
> I remember the Burroughs name when it meant main frame computers,
> calculators and cash registers! Is that what the company finally settled
> down to become in this age? Do they make any business equipment any more?

Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:

> In article
> <[email protected]>, Edward
> Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
>> tight-clearance and miniature work, check out
>> www.micromark.com for a novel thing or two. My elves use
>> this stuff all the time.
>
> You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
>

I had exactly the same thought. Lot's of neat stuff that you
can't find anywhere else. One can never own too many tools...

Larry

Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:

> s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
>

Not fair ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
news:190220110908058050%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:

<snip>
> This is an opportunity, and not a setback.

Congratulations!!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Michael Kenefick <[email protected]> wrote in news:7yu8p.97569$Gq3.84883
@newsfe09.iad:

> As a father of a former Boy Scout, a current Girl Scout and employed at
> Burroughs Payment Systems , I thank you for writing those checks.
>
> Mike in Ohio
>
> On 02/20/2011 09:06 AM, Swingman wrote:
> <snip>
>> If it wasn't for girl scout cookies and boy scout popcorn, I'd written
>> less than 25 last year.

No checks here, just cash, and not only because I like to support scouts
(son made Eagle in the early 90's), but also because I like the cookies
(girl scouts).

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Michael Kenefick <[email protected]> writes:
>Not really. Sperry and Burroughs merged in the 1990's or so. The new
>company became Unisys. Both had a flavor of Mainframe, A Series and IX
>Series. Both product lines are made and sold today, though mostly as
>virtual machines. But about 4 - 5 years ago the Unisys Payment Systems
>Division was made a wholly owned subsidiary, AKA Unisys Payment Systems.
> Last year, Feb. 2010, we got sold. We got a new name BPS. We still
>have the Burroughs factory in Michigan. Unisys kept the mainframes,
>desktop services, storage devices, high end servers business. We sell
>(and make a few) financial products, check sorters, safes, printers,
>change dispensers, etc. We are starting to branch out from financial
>institutions to retail side with the safes.
>
>So for those that check their accounts on line, there is a 75% chance my
>sorter took the picture of the check that you wrote.

And if running on a burroughs system (v-series), it's likely running
MCP code that I wrote. Was fun to watch 10 DP2500 sorters running at once.

scott

On 19 Feb 2011 19:37:16 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
>news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
>
>> s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
>>
>
>Not fair ...

Perhaps not, but far, far easier on our crowbars and wallets.

--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck

On Feb 20, 1:37=A0pm, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> > >Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide t=
o
> > >Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
> > >Saskatoon store", then?
>
> > Ow! =A0Ow, let go of my leg!
>
> Pull the other one, it's got bells on it?
>
> <http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>

If it's got "bells", umm, that's not a leg. =3D:O

R

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190220110911089027%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Edward
> Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On the other heading, if you can document a pattern of
>> comparable dismissals based on criteria other than
>> performance factors, your view of prospects might sharpen if you
>> saw , yes, a lawyer. Should records and testimony from workmates
>> be forthcoming in support of your case, determinants to further action
>> shift to whether your erstwhile firm has sufficient assets to pursue ,
>> whether
>> you have the stomach for what may be a protracted ordeal and whether
>> you can find an able lawyer willing to consider your case on terms
>> satisfactory
>> to you.
>
> Employment legislation here in Saskatchewan allows them to do exactly
> what they did. In fact, they could have given me a month's pay and and
> told me to f*ck off.
>
> The severance package they offered was reasonable, however, and fairly
> easy to accept.

You cauld have been in the US where they just say "bye".

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:49:20 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>EXT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I now work with my son's company, an internet e-zine publisher. ---- The new
>> wave in "printing".
>
>CBC Radio news this morning is reporting an end to the "Postage
>Assistance Program" or "PAP". Apparently the funds will be used to
>support traditional publishers in developing a web presence.
>
>I haven't been able to find details online yet.

Nuttin' on Google.


>My former employer gets in the neighborhood of $1 million annually
>under PAP. Without it, I suspect a serious round of outsourcing design
>and production to Asia.

"WTF for?" I screamed.

--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:37:25 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:30 -0600, Dave Balderstone
>> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>, Han
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
>> >> news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
>> >>
>> >> > s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Not fair ...
>> >
>> >Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide to
>> >Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
>> >Saskatoon store", then?
>>
>> Ow! Ow, let go of my leg!
>
>Pull the other one, it's got bells on it?

Ouch! Not the middle one!


><http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>

No, not that one, the part where you said they built a store just for
you.

--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine

On 2/18/11 8:37 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> My former staff (I was "dismissed without cause" from my job of 16
> years recently) geve me a $150 gift card for Lee Valley. One of the
> tools I bought is their miniature edge plane
> <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=66567&cat=1,41182>.
>
> I've been doing some work with UHMW plastic and does this little plane
> ever do a sweet number putting the gloss back on the cut edges!
>
> I'm going to go back and get its big brother!

Congrats on the plane, sorry about the job loss, but it could be the
best thing.

I was let go after just over 20 years with the same company, as part of
a major downsizing. I got full severance and more according to Canadian
standards etc. Company went belly up, almost a year to the day I left,
anybody still there got zilch, zip and nada.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 2/19/11 10:15 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the plane, sorry about the job loss, but it could be the
>> best thing.
>>
>> I was let go after just over 20 years with the same company, as part of
>> a major downsizing. I got full severance and more according to Canadian
>> standards etc. Company went belly up, almost a year to the day I left,
>> anybody still there got zilch, zip and nada.
>
> I don't see that happening in the short term, but I do think they are
> making some very flawed business decisions today that are going to bite
> them hard in a few years.
>
> The print publishing industry is undergoing a major sea change, and
> unfortunately most publishers haven't figured out that entirely new
> business models are required. Instead, they are simply moving the old
> models (sell space to eyeballs) into new and exciting technologies.
>
> This was/is a good time for me to get out and move on.

I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 2/19/11 10:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>
> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>
> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.

The big change happened over the Y2K issue, most companies did major
systems upgrades, gone were the days of 4 and 5 part invoices etc., then
it declined from there.

Ah well, all in the name of progress, good luck in whatever you should
decide to do.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 2/19/11 1:45 PM, EXT wrote:
>
> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/19/11 10:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
>>>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
>>> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
>>> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
>>> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>>>
>>> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.
>>
>> The big change happened over the Y2K issue, most companies did major
>> systems upgrades, gone were the days of 4 and 5 part invoices etc.,
>> then it declined from there.
>>
>> Ah well, all in the name of progress, good luck in whatever you should
>> decide to do.
>>
>
> Wow. Been there too. Worked in a private printing plant owned by a major
> gas utility in Ontario. Company was taken over by pipeline company in
> Alberta. They waited until the company celebrated its 150th anniversary,
> and within weeks changed its name and started stripping departments and
> subsidiaries until it was down to the bare bones with everything
> outsourced. My department was being sold to Xerox. Being 58 and having
> worked in the company for 40 years, I could see that I was doomed. After
> seeing what was happening in other areas of the company, I decided my
> best move was to bail out as I was 2 months into qualifying for early
> retirement without penalty. I was disgusted with demands of management
> in regard to the way they wanted me to treat our 30 employees, and
> walked in on a Monday with a request for retirement. With accumulated
> vacation time owing me, plus some other time I was owed, my last day was
> the next Friday. Basically, I gave them 5 days notice. Never looked back.
>
> I now work with my son's company, an internet e-zine publisher. ---- The
> new wave in "printing".

Your nick is familiar from somewhere else, did you post/read in AHM many
years ago?

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's about $250 for the pair + s/h.
>
> I'm thinking the southpaw one can wait, and s/h doesn't apply as the
> stores only 10 minutes away.
>
> ;-)


Is that a drive by?

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190220110908058050%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Lew
> Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Let's see how close you come to the following profile:
>>
>> 1) You are in your mid forties to early fifties,
>
> Yup. 52 this coming June.
>
>> 2) Earn a salary that puts you in the top 20%,
>
> With changes over the past five years, possibly the highest paid
> manager other than the publisher and sales director.
>
>> 3) Are vested in a company paid pension plan that is just starting to
>> require a major increase in payments as you approach retirement age.
>
> Nope. We switched to a "defined contribution" plan about 10 years ago.
>
>> 4) Have a company paid medical plan that is starting to see dramatic
>> increases in premium based on your length of service.(16 years) and
>> increasing age.
>
> Nope. It's a bit different here in Canuckistan.
>
>> 5) Have always been considered a "Company Man", not a rabble rouser.
>
> ROFL! Definitely not. In fact, it was most likely the fact the new
> publisher (former ad director) and I butted heads so frequently before
> his promotion that I was fired. He never liked me, and the feeling was
> quite mutual.
>
>> IOW, if they fire you, probably won't get an attorney and sue.
>
>> 6) If you drop dead this afternoon, will have a replacement in place
>> with the week.
>
> They're going to have a tough time with some of it. A few days after I
> was let go, I got an email asking how I did some of the job. My reply
> was if they wished to retain me as a consultant I would prepare a
> quote. I suspect they will limp along until some upgrade or other
> breaks the custom workflows I developed over the years, and then
> they'll simply shoehorn that part of the operation into an
> off-the-shelf solution that corporate IT will then proceed to ignore.
>
> In any event, they offered a reasonable severance package that I
> accepted and I am now relaxing and looking at a couple of business
> ventures. This is an opportunity, and not a setback.


Sterling Attitude!

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Edward
> Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
>> tight-clearance
>> and miniature work, check out
>> www.micromark.com
>> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
>
> You bastard. There goes the severance pay...

visit

http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/

And you'll need a new job ...

"EXT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/19/11 10:47 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was in the printing business too, trade-only business forms, cheques,
>>>> invoices etc. Major shakeup in that part of the industry as well.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. I used to order forms, envelopes, cheques, etc for the
>>> company. The volumes have dropped precipitously over the past few
>>> years. Very few cheques being written, EFT is now the norm. And almost
>>> nobody is using letterhead for communication any more.
>>>
>>> OBWW: Some paper comes from trees. Trees are made of wood.
>>
>> The big change happened over the Y2K issue, most companies did major
>> systems upgrades, gone were the days of 4 and 5 part invoices etc., then
>> it declined from there.
>>
>> Ah well, all in the name of progress, good luck in whatever you should
>> decide to do.
>>
>
> Wow. Been there too. Worked in a private printing plant owned by a major
> gas utility in Ontario. Company was taken over by pipeline company in
> Alberta. They waited until the company celebrated its 150th anniversary,
> and within weeks changed its name and started stripping departments and
> subsidiaries until it was down to the bare bones with everything
> outsourced. My department was being sold to Xerox.

And the part that was sold to Xerox was dead in less than 5 years?

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:220220112058241882%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> > In article <[email protected]>, Edward
>> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
>> >> tight-clearance
>> >> and miniature work, check out
>> >> www.micromark.com
>> >> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
>> >
>> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
>>
>> visit
>>
>> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
>>
>> And you'll need a new job ...
>>
>
> I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...


with grantee top?

--
Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:03:44 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>>news:220220112058241882%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>>>> > In article <[email protected]>, Edward
>>>> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
>>>> >> tight-clearance
>>>> >> and miniature work, check out
>>>> >> www.micromark.com
>>>> >> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
>>>> >
>>>> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
>>>>
>>>> visit
>>>>
>>>> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
>>>>
>>>> And you'll need a new job ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...
>>
>>
>>with grantee top?
>
> Cool. Miniature saws at Festering prices!
>

Gets good reviews.

> --
> The more passions and desires one has,
> the more ways one has of being happy.
> -- Charlotte-Catherine



--
Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:24:28 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ><http://gallery.me.com/balderstone#100006/IMG_0329>
>>
>> No, not that one, the part where you said they built a store just for
>> you
>
>Din't read the inscription at the link, didja?

Hah! No, I just saw the sig. I didn't try to read the henscratch.
That's a keeper, fer sher.

--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:14:37 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> That's about $250 for the pair + s/h.
>>
>> I'm thinking the southpaw one can wait, and s/h doesn't apply as the
>> stores only 10 minutes away.
>>
>> ;-)
>
>Is that a drive by?

Naw, those are walking minutes.

--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 08:44:30 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Han
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
>> news:190220110859468080%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
>>
>> > s/h doesn't apply as the stores only 10 minutes away.
>> >
>>
>> Not fair ...
>
>Guess I shouldn't mention my autographed copy of "The Complete Guide to
>Sharpening" in which Leonard Lee wrote "To Dave, for whom we built the
>Saskatoon store", then?

Ow! Ow, let go of my leg!

--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:03:44 -0800, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>news:220220112058241882%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>>> > In article <[email protected]>, Edward
>>> > Hennessey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Now, back to the woodshop: if you like unusual tools for
>>> >> tight-clearance
>>> >> and miniature work, check out
>>> >> www.micromark.com
>>> >> for a novel thing or two. My elves use this stuff all the time.
>>> >
>>> > You bastard. There goes the severance pay...
>>>
>>> visit
>>>
>>> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
>>>
>>> And you'll need a new job ...
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...
>
>
>with grantee top?

Cool. Miniature saws at Festering prices!

--
The more passions and desires one has,
the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine

Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> writes:

> In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>> news:220220112058241882%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> > In article <[email protected]>, Lobby Dosser
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:190220110917493071%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
>> >> http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/
>> >>
>> >> And you'll need a new job ...
>> >>
>> >
>> > I wonder if they offer a 4" sawstop model...
>>
>>
>> with grantee top?
>
> As long as it passes the nickel test.

Shouldn't it pass the mini-nickel test?

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