On 04 Nov 2007 18:10:38 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
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>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over
>> the RAS.
>>
>>
>
>I tried to rip a board once... My hands started to hurt so I got a saw.
>
>Puckdropper
Good thing you didn't try to chop it... <G>
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On Nov 4, 12:23 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
> > saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
> > other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
> > little more space in my home shop.
> > Thanks for your opinions.
>
> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over the
> RAS.
WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
Frickin' Planet)?
There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
(" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
arm ....to the hospital.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
okay... maybe a little over the top.
On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
> > Frickin' Planet)?
>
> > There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
> > to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
> > the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
> > book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
>
> > Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
>
> > Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
>
> > (" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
> > the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
> > sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
>
> C'mon Robatoy.... They *do* tell you to use a push stick. LOL
>
>
>
> > What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
> > an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
> > arm ....to the hospital.
> > .
>
> I was at the lumber yard picking up some 14' x 18" 5/4 mahogany (drive-by)
> but needed them to crosscut it to get it into the van. Guy puts it on the
> radical harm saw, begins to cut it when it binds, the carriage punches him
> in the chest and knocks him 7' backwards, arse over teakettle into a stack
> of pallets. That was all the reason I ever needed not to own one. Yes, I
> know some care in setup would've avoided it, but still......
>
> jc
HE was lucky.
Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
>> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>> little more space in my home shop.
>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>
>>
>>
> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
> pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
There is no need for them if one has SCMS.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over
> the RAS.
>
>
I tried to rip a board once... My hands started to hurt so I got a saw.
Puckdropper
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dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sergey Kubushin wrote:
>> Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>>>> saw? ...
> ...
>>> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
>>
>> You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
>>
>>> pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
>>
>> There is no need for them if one has SCMS.
> There is the matter of size/scale of what can be accommodated by the two.
That's true. 10" Bosh 4410 is good up to 12" board width (twice that if you
bother to turn the board and make 2 cuts.) Radial saw might have better
reach but it is not always true. And anyways it is not such a regular job to
crosscut 12+" boards that justifies cost and footprint of a radial saw;
occasional job of this kind can be done with other tools.
For a chop saw I don't see any reason to have one at all. Less for limited
capabilities I was never able to make one cut straight. No matter how
expensive and how good the saw and blade are. It's inherent design feature
and there is no cure for it.
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Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Sergey Kubushin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a
>>>> SCM
>>>> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
>>>> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>>>> little more space in my home shop.
>>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
>>
>> You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
>>
> Bosch does not recommend dado sets with the 4410. Their method outlined in
> the owners manual is to make multiple passes with a standard blade to cut
> dados. The other problem with using this method is that on most scms (4410
> included), the depth stop mechanism is located very close to the pivot
> point, making precise depth settings and adjustments a major PITA. I don't
> know of a single scms whose manufacturer recommends use with a dado blade
> set.
That is true, you have to make several passes with regular blade. And yes,
it is not all that convenient and precise. But for such a job a table saw is
much more suitable choice (one has a table saw along with SCMS, right?) And
anyways I personally never cut dadoes with a saw; for me router works much
better. I do have Freud dado set but I only tried it once and would never
return to it; router is way better, easier to work with, and more precise.
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Dave wrote:
> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
> little more space in my home shop.
> Thanks for your opinions.
>
>
>
>
An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you can do
'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long rip cut,
especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw. I'd be
reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will do all the
crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS cannot do. All
my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never comes from the
lumber yard in the width I need.
David Starr
Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 4, 12:23 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>>> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
>>> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>>> little more space in my home shop.
>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over the
>> RAS.
>
> WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
> Frickin' Planet)?
>
> There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
> to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
> the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
> book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
>
> Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
>
> Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
>
> (" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
> the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
> sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
>
> What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
> an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
> arm ....to the hospital.
> .
And what is it that makes a RAS more dangerous than a table saw? I can
remember my old man getting some really scary kickbacks on his table
saw. My RAS hasn't kicked back on me since a bought it a carbide blade
a dozen years ago. Both RAS and table saw are very dangerous and I
treat both of them with a whole lot of respect.
David Starr
J. Clarke wrote:
> David Starr wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one
>>> has
>>> a SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I
>>> should sell my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations?
>>> It would free up a little more space in my home shop.
>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you can
>> do
>> 'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long rip
>> cut, especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw.
>> I'd
>> be reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will do
>> all the crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS
>> cannot
>> do. All my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never
>> comes
>> from the lumber yard in the width I need.
>
> Try crosscutting a dozen pieces with a compound miter using a handsaw
> and getting them all the same.
No contest. I use my RAS for all my crosscuts too. The power tool does
better cuts than I can do by hand. The point is, a power saw that won't
rip leaves you ripping by hand. Given the choice of doing all my rips
by hand or all my crosscuts by hand, I'll take the crosscuts, and do the
rips with a power saw. Not having the bucks or the floor space for a
whole lot of tools, I think a RAS or a table saw is a better deal than a
chop saw/SCMS 'cause the one tool can both crosscut and rip. The chop
saw/SCMS is cross cut only. Notice that house framers will bring both a
SCMS and a table saw to the job so as to be able both rip and crosscut.
>
> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS, if
> it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman) stays
in alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the occasional
fresh cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I only
pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year, when
the square tells me I have a problem.
David Starr
Max wrote:
> "David Starr" wrote
>
>> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman) stays in
>> alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the occasional fresh
>> cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I only pull out
>> the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year, when the square
>> tells me I have a problem.
>>
>> David Starr
>
> My Craftsman RAS is about the same age. I check it any time I'm starting on
> an important project but my experience is that it only needs tweaking about
> every 2 years.
> I should add, though, that I only use it for 90 degree cuts.
>
> Max
>
>
Surely the great majority of my cuts are plain crosscuts, I don't do
all that many miters. Last picture frame I cut on it was many years
ago. But I can set the tool to rip, or set the blade horizontal for
grooving or molding head work, and have the autostops get the tool back
to crosscut position and cutting square again.
And yeah, I too put a square on a test cut before cutting that nice
fresh wood for that new project. Measure twice, cut once....
J. Clarke wrote:
> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>
Used, Craigslist, Ebay, lots of 'em for $100-$200. You gotta sort out
the good cast iron models from the cheapy stamped steel ones, but a bit
of looking will turn up a good unit. Don't have a clue what a decent
new one might cost.
David Starr
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:52:03 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and then
>returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>
I got tons of help here at the rec when I got my RAS and a great piece of advice
was "don't move the head out of 90 degrees unless you have to..
I looked at maybe 5 or 6 people's shop made angle jigs and built my own.. pretty
much leave the head alone unless I'm ripping..
Pretty much just some sheet stock with fixed or adjustable "fences" on it..
mac
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:08:04 -0800, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
>Frickin' Planet)?
Hell yes... that's why I paid the whopping $50 for it and immediately ordered an
anti-kickback setup for it for another $65...
The table and fence are 6' long and when ripping long boards it's much more
stable that my TS..
Also, I'm much more out of the way of possible kickback on the RAS than the TS..
Not sure about a ball bearing sled.. I guess I'm too cheap for one of those..
lol
I've seen some really scary pictures here of folks stopping boards with their
bodies when using a TS... when I'm ripping with the RAS, it's "target area" is
to my left, about 2 feet from me... Much safer that on the TS, IMO...
>
>There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
>to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
>the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
>book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
>
>Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
>
>Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
>
>(" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
>the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
>sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
>
>What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
>an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
>arm ....to the hospital.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>okay... maybe a little over the top.
mac
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:12:03 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS,
>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>>
>> And the same could be said simply reversing the two...
>
>Not really. A radial arm saw has more degrees of freedom and a larger
>range of motion, hence more attention to alignment is required.
>That's the price you pay to have a tool with greater capability.
>
>--
I hear that... When I was living in the states and my shop was the neighborhood
gathering spot, I'd always catch someone leaning on the RAS table... there goes
the tuning again.. *sigh*
mac
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"David Starr" wrote
> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman) stays in
> alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the occasional fresh
> cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I only pull out
> the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year, when the square
> tells me I have a problem.
>
> David Starr
My Craftsman RAS is about the same age. I check it any time I'm starting on
an important project but my experience is that it only needs tweaking about
every 2 years.
I should add, though, that I only use it for 90 degree cuts.
Max
>
> WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
> Frickin' Planet)?
>
> There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
> to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
> the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
> book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
>
> Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
>
> Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
>
> (" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
> the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
> sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
C'mon Robatoy.... They *do* tell you to use a push stick. LOL
>
> What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
> an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
> arm ....to the hospital.
> .
>
I was at the lumber yard picking up some 14' x 18" 5/4 mahogany (drive-by)
but needed them to crosscut it to get it into the van. Guy puts it on the
radical harm saw, begins to cut it when it binds, the carriage punches him
in the chest and knocks him 7' backwards, arse over teakettle into a stack
of pallets. That was all the reason I ever needed not to own one. Yes, I
know some care in setup would've avoided it, but still......
jc
"Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over
>> the RAS.
>>
>>
>
> I tried to rip a board once... My hands started to hurt so I got a saw.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
>
> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Like I said in my post I have both a RAS and a laser chop saw. I don't care
if I cannot rip or dado on a SCMS, I can do that on my tablesaw. In the
interest of getting a little more space in my shop I thought a SCMS would be
the best alternative by getting a new laser SCMS. It appears that a lot of
you would recommend the 12 inch one and that it can do everything a RAS can
do except dado and rip.
"Sergey Kubushin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a
>>> SCM
>>> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
>>> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>>> little more space in my home shop.
>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
>
> You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
>
Bosch does not recommend dado sets with the 4410. Their method outlined in
the owners manual is to make multiple passes with a standard blade to cut
dados. The other problem with using this method is that on most scms (4410
included), the depth stop mechanism is located very close to the pivot
point, making precise depth settings and adjustments a major PITA. I don't
know of a single scms whose manufacturer recommends use with a dado blade
set.
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
> little more space in my home shop.
> Thanks for your opinions.
My 10" SCMS can cut a board up to 12" wide. There have been times when
being able to cut something wider would be nice to have. Presumbably, your
RAS has more capacity.
todd
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
> little more space in my home shop.
> Thanks for your opinions.
>
>
>
you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
jc
"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
> saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
> other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
> little more space in my home shop.
> Thanks for your opinions.
>
>
>
>
Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over the
RAS.
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:53:06 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I was at the lumber yard picking up some 14' x 18" 5/4 mahogany (drive-by)
>but needed them to crosscut it to get it into the van. Guy puts it on the
>radical harm saw, begins to cut it when it binds, the carriage punches him
>in the chest and knocks him 7' backwards, arse over teakettle into a stack
>of pallets. That was all the reason I ever needed not to own one. Yes, I
>know some care in setup would've avoided it, but still......
>
>jc
>
Not standing directly in front of the saw/motor might have helped a bit...
I've seen so many stupid things done with saws at lumber yards that I'm amazed
that any of those folks still own their own hands..
Best one I've seen so far was the guy that brought our plywood to the panel saw
on a fork lift and was lining up the 1st cut when the fork lift decided that
since he didn't bother to set the brake, it would come visit him.. he got out of
the way, but they were instantly in the market for a new panel saw..
mac
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On 04 Nov 2007 20:58:57 GMT, Sergey Kubushin <[email protected]> wrote:
>That is true, you have to make several passes with regular blade. And yes,
>it is not all that convenient and precise. But for such a job a table saw is
>much more suitable choice (one has a table saw along with SCMS, right?) And
>anyways I personally never cut dadoes with a saw; for me router works much
>better. I do have Freud dado set but I only tried it once and would never
>return to it; router is way better, easier to work with, and more precise.
I find that I split my dado work about 50/50 between saw and router...
Depends a lot on width/depth/length of the dado or rabbit..
Also, when using a saw for dado work, I prefer the RAS to the table saw..
mac
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over
the
> RAS.
Can't you just turn your SCMS sideways? :)
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:02:25 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS, if
>it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>
>--
Again, I can't speak for a SCMS, but having both a RAS and a CMS, if I'm looking
for repeated cuts to length, I'll use the CMS every time, unless the stock is
too wide for it..
mac
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Sergey Kubushin wrote:
> Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>>> saw? ...
...
>> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
>
> You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
>
>> pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
>
> There is no need for them if one has SCMS.
There is the matter of size/scale of what can be accommodated by the two.
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
>>> Frickin' Planet)?
>>> There is only ONE reason for a RAS... dados leaving equal thicknesses
>>> to the outside walls of shelves, so the consistency of thickness of
>>> the plywood doesn't matter. Handy as hell for those runs of 12 to 16
>>> book cases for library jobs. BTDT.
>>> Cross cutting big pieces ----> table saw with or without sled.
>>> Ripping----> Table saw.. MUCH safer than a RAS
>>> (" Lets hang a motor with blazing speed, attach a sharp blade, hang
>>> the whole whirring contraption on a BALLBEARING sled, no less...and
>>> sell it at a department store... then tell them to RIP with too...")
>> C'mon Robatoy.... They *do* tell you to use a push stick. LOL
>>
>>
>>
>>> What they don't tell you, is to keep a sterile bag handy and some ice,
>>> an auto-dialing 911 phone and a vehicle you can drive with one
>>> arm ....to the hospital.
>>> .
>> I was at the lumber yard picking up some 14' x 18" 5/4 mahogany (drive-by)
>> but needed them to crosscut it to get it into the van. Guy puts it on the
>> radical harm saw, begins to cut it when it binds, the carriage punches him
>> in the chest and knocks him 7' backwards, arse over teakettle into a stack
>> of pallets. That was all the reason I ever needed not to own one. Yes, I
>> know some care in setup would've avoided it, but still......
>>
>> jc
>
> HE was lucky.
No, sounds like he was dumb...
I had only the RAS for a stationary piece of equipment for about the
first 5 years; it and only a jointer for about 5 more before anything
else. Never a problem--respect it, be careful and it's absolutely no
more dangerous than any other woodworking tool...
--
Sergey Kubushin wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sergey Kubushin wrote:
>>> Joe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>>>>> saw? ...
>> ...
>>>> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
>>> You can. Try e.g. Bosh 4410.
>>>
>>>> pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
>>> There is no need for them if one has SCMS.
>
>> There is the matter of size/scale of what can be accommodated by the two.
>
> That's true. 10" Bosh 4410 is good up to 12" board width (twice that if you
> bother to turn the board and make 2 cuts.) Radial saw might have better
> reach but it is not always true. And anyways it is not such a regular job to
> crosscut 12+" boards that justifies cost and footprint of a radial saw;
> occasional job of this kind can be done with other tools.
Different tools, different purposes -- while can always get by, and if
were forced to choose on over the other, might go that way, it would
depend on the work I was doing most at the time. Given the choice, I
will continue to have both and use the more appropriate for the task at
hand.
Either way, I won't denigrate the other...
--
David Starr wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one
>> has
>> a SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I
>> should sell my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations?
>> It would free up a little more space in my home shop.
>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you can
> do
> 'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long rip
> cut, especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw.
> I'd
> be reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will do
> all the crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS
> cannot
> do. All my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never
> comes
> from the lumber yard in the width I need.
Try crosscutting a dozen pieces with a compound miter using a handsaw
and getting them all the same.
While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS, if
it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
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dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
> ...
>
>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS,
>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>
> And the same could be said simply reversing the two...
Not really. A radial arm saw has more degrees of freedom and a larger
range of motion, hence more attention to alignment is required.
That's the price you pay to have a tool with greater capability.
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J. Clarke wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS,
>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>> And the same could be said simply reversing the two...
>
> Not really. A radial arm saw has more degrees of freedom and a larger
> range of motion, hence more attention to alignment is required.
> That's the price you pay to have a tool with greater capability.
"If it's a good one" is the operative phrase here...
--
J. Clarke wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the
>>> SCMS,
>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>>
>> And the same could be said simply reversing the two...
>
> Not really. A radial arm saw has more degrees of freedom and a
> larger
> range of motion, hence more attention to alignment is required.
> That's the price you pay to have a tool with greater capability.
Well, then you get into a multi thousand dollar industrial tool that
needs a crew and a hoist to deliver vs something that one person can
toss into the back seat of a car.
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David Starr wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> David Starr wrote:
>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one
>>>> has
>>>> a SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I
>>>> should sell my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same
>>>> operations?
>>>> It would free up a little more space in my home shop.
>>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you can
>>> do
>>> 'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long rip
>>> cut, especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw.
>>> I'd
>>> be reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will do
>>> all the crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS
>>> cannot
>>> do. All my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never
>>> comes
>>> from the lumber yard in the width I need.
>>
>> Try crosscutting a dozen pieces with a compound miter using a
>> handsaw
>> and getting them all the same.
>
> No contest. I use my RAS for all my crosscuts too. The power tool
> does better cuts than I can do by hand. The point is, a power saw
> that won't rip leaves you ripping by hand. Given the choice of
> doing
> all my rips by hand or all my crosscuts by hand, I'll take the
> crosscuts, and do the rips with a power saw. Not having the bucks
> or
> the floor space for a whole lot of tools, I think a RAS or a table
> saw is a better deal than a chop saw/SCMS 'cause the one tool can
> both crosscut and rip. The chop saw/SCMS is cross cut only. Notice
> that house framers will bring both a SCMS and a table saw to the job
> so as to be able both rip and crosscut.
>
>
>>
>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS,
>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>
> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman)
> stays
> in alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the
> occasional
> fresh cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I
> only
> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
> when
> the square tells me I have a problem.
Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and then
returning to square that gets to be problematical.
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J. Clarke wrote:
> David Starr wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> David Starr wrote:
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one
>>>>> has
>>>>> a SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I
>>>>> should sell my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same
>>>>> operations?
>>>>> It would free up a little more space in my home shop.
>>>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you can
>>>> do
>>>> 'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long rip
>>>> cut, especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw.
>>>> I'd
>>>> be reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will do
>>>> all the crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS
>>>> cannot
>>>> do. All my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never
>>>> comes
>>>> from the lumber yard in the width I need.
>>> Try crosscutting a dozen pieces with a compound miter using a
>>> handsaw
>>> and getting them all the same.
>> No contest. I use my RAS for all my crosscuts too. The power tool
>> does better cuts than I can do by hand. The point is, a power saw
>> that won't rip leaves you ripping by hand. Given the choice of
>> doing
>> all my rips by hand or all my crosscuts by hand, I'll take the
>> crosscuts, and do the rips with a power saw. Not having the bucks
>> or
>> the floor space for a whole lot of tools, I think a RAS or a table
>> saw is a better deal than a chop saw/SCMS 'cause the one tool can
>> both crosscut and rip. The chop saw/SCMS is cross cut only. Notice
>> that house framers will bring both a SCMS and a table saw to the job
>> so as to be able both rip and crosscut.
>>
>>
>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the SCMS,
>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman)
>> stays
>> in alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the
>> occasional
>> fresh cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I
>> only
>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
>> when
>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>
> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and then
> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
--
dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> David Starr wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> David Starr wrote:
>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> a SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I
>>>>>> should sell my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same
>>>>>> operations?
>>>>>> It would free up a little more space in my home shop.
>>>>>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> An SCMS won't rip, it just does crosscuts. For crosscuts, you
>>>>> can
>>>>> do
>>>>> 'em with a hand saw, a power saw is just a luxury. But a long
>>>>> rip
>>>>> cut, especially in 2" stock, is ultra tedious with a hand saw.
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> be reluctant to trade a radial arm saw for a SCMS, the RAS will
>>>>> do
>>>>> all the crosscuts a SCMS will do, and a lot more that the SCMS
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> do. All my projects require ripping stock to width, wood never
>>>>> comes
>>>>> from the lumber yard in the width I need.
>>>> Try crosscutting a dozen pieces with a compound miter using a
>>>> handsaw
>>>> and getting them all the same.
>>> No contest. I use my RAS for all my crosscuts too. The power
>>> tool
>>> does better cuts than I can do by hand. The point is, a power saw
>>> that won't rip leaves you ripping by hand. Given the choice of
>>> doing
>>> all my rips by hand or all my crosscuts by hand, I'll take the
>>> crosscuts, and do the rips with a power saw. Not having the bucks
>>> or
>>> the floor space for a whole lot of tools, I think a RAS or a table
>>> saw is a better deal than a chop saw/SCMS 'cause the one tool can
>>> both crosscut and rip. The chop saw/SCMS is cross cut only.
>>> Notice
>>> that house framers will bring both a SCMS and a table saw to the
>>> job
>>> so as to be able both rip and crosscut.
>>>
>>>
>>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the
>>>> SCMS,
>>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>>> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman)
>>> stays
>>> in alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the
>>> occasional
>>> fresh cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I
>>> only
>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
>>> when
>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>
>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>> then
>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>
> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> David Starr wrote:
...
>>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
>>>> when
>>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>>> then
>>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
>
> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>
Don't know--haven't looked recently. New, out-of-the-box, probably
$2-3k. But, I bought this at auction 20+ years ago for about $250.
It did take adding a 3-phase converter for another $150 so overall I
have something like $500 in it...
However, one can almost always find them for essentially throwaway
prices if looking seriously because too many uninformed have been given
such propaganda as is bandied about here so they have become unpopular.
Of course, like anything else the "get what you pay for" mantra holds;
the cheap Craftsmans and some of the small DeWalts and similar were/are
simply too lightly built and deserve their reputation.
Again, as I told somebody else banging on RAS, they're two different
tools for differing purposes. I'm not denigrating the SCMS for its
place; simply standing up for the RAS in its place.
--
dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> dpb wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> David Starr wrote:
> ...
>>>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
>>>>> when
>>>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>>>> then
>>>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>>> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
>>
>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>>
> Don't know--haven't looked recently. New, out-of-the-box, probably
> $2-3k. But, I bought this at auction 20+ years ago for about $250.
> It did take adding a 3-phase converter for another $150 so overall I
> have something like $500 in it...
>
> However, one can almost always find them for essentially throwaway
> prices if looking seriously because too many uninformed have been
> given such propaganda as is bandied about here so they have become
> unpopular.
>
> Of course, like anything else the "get what you pay for" mantra
> holds;
> the cheap Craftsmans and some of the small DeWalts and similar
> were/are simply too lightly built and deserve their reputation.
>
> Again, as I told somebody else banging on RAS, they're two different
> tools for differing purposes. I'm not denigrating the SCMS for its
> place; simply standing up for the RAS in its place.
What do you see as "its place"?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> David Starr wrote:
>> ...
>>>>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year,
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>>>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>>>>> then
>>>>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>>>> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
>>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>>>
>> Don't know--haven't looked recently. New, out-of-the-box, probably
>> $2-3k. But, I bought this at auction 20+ years ago for about $250.
>> It did take adding a 3-phase converter for another $150 so overall I
>> have something like $500 in it...
>>
>> However, one can almost always find them for essentially throwaway
>> prices if looking seriously because too many uninformed have been
>> given such propaganda as is bandied about here so they have become
>> unpopular.
>>
>> Of course, like anything else the "get what you pay for" mantra
>> holds;
>> the cheap Craftsmans and some of the small DeWalts and similar
>> were/are simply too lightly built and deserve their reputation.
>>
>> Again, as I told somebody else banging on RAS, they're two different
>> tools for differing purposes. I'm not denigrating the SCMS for its
>> place; simply standing up for the RAS in its place.
>
> What do you see as "its place"?
It sits in its dedicated long bench awaiting its calling when required
-- just like the cabinet saw, the miter saw in its bench, the jointer,
the shaper, the planer, ... All/any can serve in a pinch to do some of
the tasks of the others--which is most convenient/best is dependent on
the size of the work and the specific task at hand.
For the most part, the RAS is the "rough/heavy work" guy, of course;
now. However, for the first 5 years or so, it was the _only_ stationary
power tool and it served for all of the above on everything I did. The
jointer was the second, and those two served for almost another five.
At that point, I began to have sufficient resources to expand, adding
the planer and shaper next, ...
--
dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
...
>> What do you see as "its place"?
>
...
> ...it was the _only_ stationary power tool ...
I'll add that if I were to start over again, I'd go at it the same way
-- the heavily-built 12" or larger RAS would be the first thing I would
buy, and build as long a worksurface bench for it to sit in as I had
room for.
The only difference in progression now vs then would probably be the
addition of a heavy plunge router as early on as could--back then was
before their time...
--
mac davis wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:12:03 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> dpb wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> While the radial saw will do any cut that a SCMS will do, the
>>>> SCMS,
>>>> if it's a good one, is a lot less finicky about tuning.
>>>
>>> And the same could be said simply reversing the two...
>>
>> Not really. A radial arm saw has more degrees of freedom and a
>> larger range of motion, hence more attention to alignment is
>> required. That's the price you pay to have a tool with greater
>> capability.
>>
>> --
> I hear that... When I was living in the states and my shop was the
> neighborhood gathering spot, I'd always catch someone leaning on the
> RAS table... there goes the tuning again.. *sigh*
Yeah, that's one thing that's bugged me about mine--the table being
held in alignment by friction. IOne of these days I've got to do
something about that.
>
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
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dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> dpb wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> dpb wrote:
>>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>> David Starr wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a
>>>>>>> year,
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>>>>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>>>>> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
>>>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>>>>
>>> Don't know--haven't looked recently. New, out-of-the-box,
>>> probably
>>> $2-3k. But, I bought this at auction 20+ years ago for about
>>> $250.
>>> It did take adding a 3-phase converter for another $150 so overall
>>> I
>>> have something like $500 in it...
>>>
>>> However, one can almost always find them for essentially throwaway
>>> prices if looking seriously because too many uninformed have been
>>> given such propaganda as is bandied about here so they have become
>>> unpopular.
>>>
>>> Of course, like anything else the "get what you pay for" mantra
>>> holds;
>>> the cheap Craftsmans and some of the small DeWalts and similar
>>> were/are simply too lightly built and deserve their reputation.
>>>
>>> Again, as I told somebody else banging on RAS, they're two
>>> different
>>> tools for differing purposes. I'm not denigrating the SCMS for
>>> its
>>> place; simply standing up for the RAS in its place.
>>
>> What do you see as "its place"?
>
> It sits in its dedicated long bench awaiting its calling when
> required
> -- just like the cabinet saw, the miter saw in its bench, the
> jointer,
> the shaper, the planer, ... All/any can serve in a pinch to do some
> of the tasks of the others--which is most convenient/best is
> dependent on the size of the work and the specific task at hand.
>
> For the most part, the RAS is the "rough/heavy work" guy, of course;
> now. However, for the first 5 years or so, it was the _only_
> stationary power tool and it served for all of the above on
> everything I did. The jointer was the second, and those two served
> for almost another five. At that point, I began to have sufficient
> resources to expand, adding the planer and shaper next, ...
Why do you have a miter saw if you have an RAS that adjusts precisely
and stays in tune?
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J. Clarke wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> dpb wrote:
>>>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>>> David Starr wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a
>>>>>>>> year,
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>>>>>> Cutting square isn't so much an issue. It's cutting angles and
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> returning to square that gets to be problematical.
>>>>>> That again is a function of quality -- no problem w/ mine.
>>>>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>>>>>
>>>> Don't know--haven't looked recently. New, out-of-the-box,
>>>> probably
>>>> $2-3k. But, I bought this at auction 20+ years ago for about
>>>> $250.
>>>> It did take adding a 3-phase converter for another $150 so overall
>>>> I
>>>> have something like $500 in it...
>>>>
>>>> However, one can almost always find them for essentially throwaway
>>>> prices if looking seriously because too many uninformed have been
>>>> given such propaganda as is bandied about here so they have become
>>>> unpopular.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, like anything else the "get what you pay for" mantra
>>>> holds;
>>>> the cheap Craftsmans and some of the small DeWalts and similar
>>>> were/are simply too lightly built and deserve their reputation.
>>>>
>>>> Again, as I told somebody else banging on RAS, they're two
>>>> different
>>>> tools for differing purposes. I'm not denigrating the SCMS for
>>>> its
>>>> place; simply standing up for the RAS in its place.
>>> What do you see as "its place"?
>> It sits in its dedicated long bench awaiting its calling when
>> required
>> -- just like the cabinet saw, the miter saw in its bench, the
>> jointer,
>> the shaper, the planer, ... All/any can serve in a pinch to do some
>> of the tasks of the others--which is most convenient/best is
>> dependent on the size of the work and the specific task at hand.
>>
>> For the most part, the RAS is the "rough/heavy work" guy, of course;
>> now. However, for the first 5 years or so, it was the _only_
>> stationary power tool and it served for all of the above on
>> everything I did. The jointer was the second, and those two served
>> for almost another five. At that point, I began to have sufficient
>> resources to expand, adding the planer and shaper next, ...
>
> Why do you have a miter saw if you have an RAS that adjusts precisely
> and stays in tune?
To upset you, apparently... :(
If you can't understand specialty usage, then I don't know I can explain it.
I actually bought the miter saw when doing interior trimwork so I could
set it up on remote job sites. Having once gotten it, could see no
reason not to keep it.
Again I'll reiterate -- if one is pressed for space or doesn't ever do
large, heavy work and has other ways to accomplish their objectives,
sure one can do without the RAS. Same can be said for any other
tool--the 18th century masters and earlier did without any of it and
managed somehow...
At this point I'm done. There are reasons for both -- whether any
particular person/shop has justifiable reasons is up to them.
--
dpb wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> dpb wrote:
...
>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
> Don't know--... New, out-of-the-box, probably $2-3k. ...
Should have known I'd be living in the past...
New looks like about $5k for nearest to what I have that is currently
being manufactured...
Last auction I went to about two/three years ago now, however, the same
saw as I have went for roughly $750 iirc at a surplus auction of stuff
from several government facilities. I believe this saw came from a Navy
facility --
I went because of the old Oliver 24" jointer, but the auction was in TN
and had only that one weekend to remove items from the site and didn't
have enough of a vehicle w/ me to be able to move it. Being 1100 miles,
it was essentially impossible to get to KS and back in time to get
it...the killer is it sold for $150. Needed new bearings, motor, and
some other work, but was complete w/ fence, etc., ...
--
--
dpb wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> dpb wrote:
> ...
>>> So how much would one of these wonders that you have cost today?
>
>> Don't know--... New, out-of-the-box, probably $2-3k. ...
>
> Should have known I'd be living in the past...
>
> New looks like about $5k for nearest to what I have that is currently
> being manufactured...
...
And, just to flog a dead horse, curiousity got to me---there are at
least two similar machines on eBay currently although one is 12" rather
than 14" that were at $200 current bid when I looked. Both single-phase
which is somewhat unusual but probably more convenient for most...
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> WOULD you rip a board with a RAS (The Most Lethal POS Tool On The
> Frickin' Planet)?
LOL..... Yeah, I have done it many times, But no longer.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:05 -0500, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I hear that... When I was living in the states and my shop was the
>> neighborhood gathering spot, I'd always catch someone leaning on the
>> RAS table... there goes the tuning again.. *sigh*
>
>Yeah, that's one thing that's bugged me about mine--the table being
>held in alignment by friction. IOne of these days I've got to do
>something about that.
>>
>>
>> mac
>>
>> Please remove splinters before emailing
>
I think I'm about to... lol
A friend talked me into NOT selling the RAS and is drawing up plans for a new
table and fence that will have solid, allen screw adjustable, supports and
things.. Don't know the specifics, but sounds promising..
He said it would be "infinitely adjustable" and keep in tune..
I guess now I'm going to have take the covers off and clean/adjust/oil the
rollers on the arm..
It might also help that everything but the lathes and band saw are out of the
shop and in the carport now, so less chance of visitors leaning or leaving
coffee rings on it..
mac
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"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a
>> SCM saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell
>> my other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>> little more space in my home shop.
>> Thanks for your opinions.
>>
>>
>>
> you can't do dados on a scms, you can on a radical harm saw.
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> pretty sure there's no advantage to having both a chop saw and a scms
>
> jc
My chop saw can do miters but It's a bit tedious to set it up. And change
blades. And clean the metal cutting debris off. <G>
Max
On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:57:52 GMT, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't
>know of a single scms whose manufacturer recommends use with a dado blade
>set.
Aren't miter saws required to meet blade spin-down time safety
requirements?
It seems that a stack dado would quickly wear out the blade brake, if
it would actually fit on the arbor.
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> Max wrote:
>> "David Starr" wrote
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>>> Finicky? A good RAS (in my case a second hand 1960's Craftsman) stays
>>> in alignment for a long long time. I slap a square on the occasional
>>> fresh cut just to be sure the tool is still cutting square, but I only
>>> pull out the Allen wrenches and adjust my RAS maybe once a year, when
>>> the square tells me I have a problem.
>>>
>>> David Starr
>>
>> My Craftsman RAS is about the same age. I check it any time I'm starting
>> on an important project but my experience is that it only needs tweaking
>> about every 2 years.
>> I should add, though, that I only use it for 90 degree cuts.
>>
>> Max
> Surely the great majority of my cuts are plain crosscuts, I don't do
> all that many miters. Last picture frame I cut on it was many years ago.
> But I can set the tool to rip, or set the blade horizontal for grooving or
> molding head work, and have the autostops get the tool back to crosscut
> position and cutting square again.
> And yeah, I too put a square on a test cut before cutting that nice
> fresh wood for that new project. Measure twice, cut once....
Strictly crosscuts for my RAS. I have a shaper for molding and a router
table for grooving.
I will soon have a SCMS for ......................miters.
I once used my RAS for ripping and my immediate thought was......... only in
an emergency. I don't have an opinion as to whether it's dangerous or not.
it's just that there are other easier ways.
I would rather mount a circular saw underneath a table and clamp a guide for
ripping. As a matter of fact that's what I did before the purchase of a
table saw.
Max
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> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Can you rip a board with your SCMS? I'd get rid of the miter saw over
> the
>> RAS.
>
> Can't you just turn your SCMS sideways? :)
Hummm. ;~)
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:18:33 -0600, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
>What is the purpose of having a radial arm or a chop saw if one has a SCM
>saw? I would like to get a SCMS, and was wondering if I should sell my
>other 2 saws since a SCMS does the same operations? It would free up a
>little more space in my home shop.
>Thanks for your opinions.
>
>
>
Good point...
AFAIK, the SCMS replaces the CMS, right? Why have 2 CMS's?
I got a table saw a few months ago, and with it and my (non-sliding) CMS I
didn't see a need for my RAS taking up space..
A friend talked me into keeping it.. as he pointed out, even having it under a
tarp in the yard was better than getting the few bucks from selling it and NOT
having it when it was the best tool for the job..
Up to the neighbors, now.. lol
mac
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:54:45 -0600, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Like I said in my post I have both a RAS and a laser chop saw. I don't care
>if I cannot rip or dado on a SCMS, I can do that on my tablesaw. In the
>interest of getting a little more space in my shop I thought a SCMS would be
>the best alternative by getting a new laser SCMS. It appears that a lot of
>you would recommend the 12 inch one and that it can do everything a RAS can
>do except dado and rip.
>
I don't have a SCMS so I don't know if they have alignment problems that a CMS
doesn't have, but as far as my old Crapsman laser (which I won't waste the money
for a new battery on) CMS, if I set it for 90 degree cuts and get it aligned in
all the needed directions, it will give me consistent square cuts for a LONG
time, if no one messes with it..
If I could say the same thing for my RAS I wouldn't have bothered building a
rolling stand for the CMS..
mac
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