"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
A real vegan would have a problem with beeswax as well as shellac. Anything
that comes from an animal whether it kills it or not would be no good. Of
course the animals that are killed when cutting trees for the wood don't
count, but you might not want to bring it up. <g>
-Mike
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
>Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
>go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
>I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
>the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
When I was still building houses I had a client who wanted a huge
house built. It was going to be an interesting project and I was
happy to be doing it.
The house had a very complex foundation system, owing to the
requirements of the steep slopes on the site and the unusual outline
of the building.
We completed the pours on a Friday afternoon and everyone went home in
the happy expectation that we could begin the framing on Monday.
On Monday morning the client met me at the jobsite and told me that we
would have to tear out or bury all of the freshly-poured foundation...
...because over the weekend, her Feng-Shui person had told her that
the house was sited wrong.
Why don't they stay in California?
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
In article <[email protected]>, GeorgeC-
[email protected] says...
> Don't know why people don't look in a dictionary. I also
> thing indigestible would be the better term. However,
> edible doesn't mean that you can eat it, it means that you
> can eat it as food (that means it must be digestible).
According to Webster, edible means "fit to be eaten"
> So
> inedible,
Means not fit to be eaten (also from Websters)
> is also correct, just not as precise
>
typical usage for inedible is things that are harmful to eat, not
those that have no effect. undigestible or indigestible are more
descriptive
> George wrote:
> >
> > No, inedible, in the sense that it runs through like those unpopped kernals.
> >
> > Indigestible would be a better term, We're not equipped to do a lot of
> > complex stuff, and even the simple kinds require the help of the ubiquitous
> > bacteria.
> >
> > "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > > > beeswax and mineral oil mix on my cutting board. Which led me to wonder
> > > > just what the hell I may be exposing myself to. (Probably not fatal but
> > > > what the hell, I don't know everything)
> > >
> > > Well, even if it was Gulf wax, the stuff is edible AFAIK. I just googled
> > > and came up with a bunch of recipes for using it as an integral part of
> > > home-made candy.
> > >
>
I don't pretend to understand Vegans, I am just getting the Martians
figured out :-)
Actually in the case of shellac, the bugs leave it behind, they are not
hurt if we collect it nor would they use it themselves. Does this
client have a problem with "Poo Pets" also?
BRuce
Andy Dingley wrote:
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
--
---
BRuce
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:06:21 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Two things:
>
>- Demand immediate payment in full of all expenses to date, prior to any
>demolition occurring.
>- Walk off the jobsite never to return.
Two things:
I told her I was a builder, not a therapist.
I got fired.
Third thing:
That was OK by me.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Tom Watson writes:
>>
>>- Demand immediate payment in full of all expenses to date, prior to any
>>demolition occurring.
>>- Walk off the jobsite never to return.
>
>
>Two things:
>
>I told her I was a builder, not a therapist.
>
>I got fired.
>
>
>Third thing:
>
>That was OK by me.
>
Fourth thing: Almost all these superstitious anal apertures have bales of money
to waste. One has to wonder how they ever got them.
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Tom Watson writes:
>
> >>
> >>- Demand immediate payment in full of all expenses to date, prior to any
> >>demolition occurring.
> >>- Walk off the jobsite never to return.
> >
> >
> >Two things:
> >
> >I told her I was a builder, not a therapist.
> >
> >I got fired.
> >
> >
> >Third thing:
> >
> >That was OK by me.
> >
>
> Fourth thing: Almost all these superstitious anal apertures have bales of money
> to waste. One has to wonder how they ever got them.
Probably inherited or by acting. One radio pundit has posited that,
in general, most second and third generation millionaires never amount
to much. Sounds like the above was one of those generations using up
the hard work of the previous generation.
In article <YFzsb.185840$e01.668209@attbi_s02>, Mike
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd cater to a different customer base if that were me!
There are times you just have to walk away...
Sometimes "customer satisfaction" means referring them to a competitor.
<PYTHON>
"Why don't you try W.H. Smith"
"I did. They sent me here."
"*DID* they?"
</PYTHON>
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
In article <[email protected]>, Mo' Sawdust
<[email protected]> wrote:
> So true.....in the long run, tis better to have a happy non-customer
> than a less than pleased customer.
The happy non-customer is *MUCH* less likely to speak ill of you...
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
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In article <[email protected]>, Nova
<[email protected]> wrote:
> If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
> "organic" vegetables are grown in.
If we moved to fully organic production half the world would starve to
death.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
In article <[email protected]>, Mike Patterson
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I believe that many of those who would have us go to fully organic
> production would prefer that half (or more) of the human race
> disappear.
Some of them have stated this publicly.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
> the supermarket.
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
In article <[email protected]>, Mike
<[email protected]> wrote:
> btw: what does moose taste like? Is it more like beef or like
> venison?
More like venison, perhpas a bit stronger flavour.
djb
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There are no socks in my email address.
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In article <[email protected]>, Jay Windley
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Seen in a steakhouse in Jackson Hole, Wyoming: "Of course we serve
> vegetarians. What do you think cows are?"
See:
<http://www.balderstone.ca/Godscreatures1.jpg>
;-)
djb
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In article <[email protected]>, Hylourgos
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
>
>
> What, pray tell, does this mean?
From Possum Lodge (the Red Green Show)...
"When all else fails, play dead"
;-)
djb
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Tom Watson <[email protected]> writes:
>would have to tear out or bury all of the freshly-poured foundation...
>...because over the weekend, her Feng-Shui person had told her that
>the house was sited wrong.
think of it as job security...
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be safe.
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Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
Vegetarian and veggan have to do with what you eat. Are
your clients planning on eating your woodwork? Or are your
clients weird and don't want to have anything to do with
animals including, seeing, touching, or even knowing that
have passed this way? How do they stand themselves? Do they
french kiss?
Mike Pearce wrote:
> A real vegan would have a problem with beeswax as well as shellac. Anything
> that comes from an animal whether it kills it or not would be no good.
If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
"organic" vegetables are grown in.
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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Lazarus Long wrote:
> I looked at Woodcraft and saw a high price (~$11) for a 1/2lb cake.
> Ouch. I need another place to look for it.
Are there any bee keepers in your area. The last time I bought bees' wax
(refined), about two years ago, I paid $3.00 per pound.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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How do you know the beeswax you buy is real beeswax.
Beekeepers, at least around here, use artificial beeswax for
combs; they certainly don't want the bees making wax since
the conversion efficiency, from honey to wax, is so low.
Maybe what you are getting is just the used comb after the
honey was extracted. And the different grades just reflect
how well the honey was extracted.
Mark wrote:
>
> Lazarus Long wrote:
>
> >
> >>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
> >
> >
> > What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
> > so, by how much?
>
> I suppose there are different grades of paraffin. The paraffin I've come
> across has all been hard, comes off in shavings and doesn't want to
> stick to anything.
>
> OTOH I've never used screw lube from a woodworking supply. Obviously
> there are things I don't know about paraffin and mass produced screw
> lube. (I know about Astro Lube)
>
> I buy several cakes of beeswax from the BeeKeeper Association every year
> while at the county fair.
>
> This wax shouldn't be confused with the beeswax blister packed at DIY.
> The stuff at DIY is processed and filtered and somewhat hard. It's great
> for slicking up drawers and such.
>
> The BeeKeeper beeswax cakes are in all stages of purity. Some are less
> pure and more gummy, others are more pure and harder, some come from
> clover and others come from whatever. The advantage to buying this way
> is I can get a cake for every occasion. The ones I get for screwing are
> hard enough to have body and soft enough to peal off and stick to the
> threads.
>
> The cakes weigh roughly 3/4 ounce, sell for $0.50 each (probably a buck
> next year) and it took 3 or 4 cakes to do a 320 square foot deck and
> it's railing.
>
> Plus you can use beeswax for many things. I put a cake in a double
> boiler with mineral oil and used it to seal my cutting board.
>
> Then there's the smell. The smell takes me back to my childhood, when my
> Dad would take me places and the smell would be hanging in the air.
>
> Maybe it's because of this, the smell, that I don't care to find out if
> there's a better lube available. If I have a properly sized pilot and
> beeswax isn't good enough then I'll look for a better lube. So far there
> hasn't been a need.
>
> http://www.stangii.com/1/beeswax_cakes.JPG
>
> P.S. Lazarus Long? A Heinlein fan?
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
> N.E. Ohio
>
> Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
> A.K.A. Mark Twain)
>
> When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
> suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Yep, it's called bears in your boards.
Wood Butcher wrote:
>
> Urk! I never thought of that.
> I use beeswax when I'm assembling something with screws and
> now you have me worried. If I'm using an inferior grade of bw
> and it contains a percentage of honey, do I have to worry about
> bees coming to reclaim it? Or even worse - bears??
>
> Art
>
> "George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do you know the beeswax you buy is real beeswax.
> > Beekeepers, at least around here, use artificial beeswax for
> > combs; they certainly don't want the bees making wax since
> > the conversion efficiency, from honey to wax, is so low.
> > Maybe what you are getting is just the used comb after the
> > honey was extracted. And the different grades just reflect
> > how well the honey was extracted.
> >
okay, all the plonk-able posts aside, i am a vegetarian, and
wouldnt really care about the hide glue, as long as you dont make
me lick it...
irax.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
Don't know why people don't look in a dictionary. I also
thing indigestible would be the better term. However,
edible doesn't mean that you can eat it, it means that you
can eat it as food (that means it must be digestible). So
inedible, is also correct, just not as precise
George wrote:
>
> No, inedible, in the sense that it runs through like those unpopped kernals.
>
> Indigestible would be a better term, We're not equipped to do a lot of
> complex stuff, and even the simple kinds require the help of the ubiquitous
> bacteria.
>
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mark wrote:
> >
> > > beeswax and mineral oil mix on my cutting board. Which led me to wonder
> > > just what the hell I may be exposing myself to. (Probably not fatal but
> > > what the hell, I don't know everything)
> >
> > Well, even if it was Gulf wax, the stuff is edible AFAIK. I just googled
> > and came up with a bunch of recipes for using it as an integral part of
> > home-made candy.
> >
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> |
> | "Vegetables are not food, they are what food eats."
>
> Seen in a steakhouse in Jackson Hole, Wyoming: "Of course we serve
> vegetarians. What do you think cows are?"
>
>
Seen on a bumper sticker:
"I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain just to eat lettuce"
So true.....in the long run, tis better to have a happy non-customer
than a less than pleased customer.
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No, inedible, in the sense that it runs through like those unpopped kernals.
Indigestible would be a better term, We're not equipped to do a lot of
complex stuff, and even the simple kinds require the help of the ubiquitous
bacteria.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark wrote:
>
> > beeswax and mineral oil mix on my cutting board. Which led me to wonder
> > just what the hell I may be exposing myself to. (Probably not fatal but
> > what the hell, I don't know everything)
>
> Well, even if it was Gulf wax, the stuff is edible AFAIK. I just googled
> and came up with a bunch of recipes for using it as an integral part of
> home-made candy.
>
Well being in business for a good many years qualifies me to say I can just
about top anyones story of weirdo clients.
But I humbly submit that I am defeated here ,
Oh my will suprises never stop coming forth
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
"Jay Windley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So my personal opinion is that one would have to be an 88th degree Tree
> Hugger to object to the use of shellac. While it does indeed come from
what
> might loosely be called an animal, it appears to be obtained in a way that
> doesn't affect the lifestyle of the beetle.
>
> -- Jay
Please don't insult the tree huggers by comparing them to vegans.
"Charles Spitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Dave Balderstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:131120031931003105%[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>, Mike Patterson
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
> > "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
What, pray tell, does this mean?
H
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:05:23 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Nova
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
>> "organic" vegetables are grown in.
>
>If we moved to fully organic production half the world would starve to
>death.
>
>djb
I believe that many of those who would have us go to fully organic
production would prefer that half (or more) of the human race
disappear.
Mike Patterson
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the question is "who has them now?"
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:31:41 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> scribbled
>In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
>Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
>> the supermarket.
>
>If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
As my friend Doug (who is a ticketed journeyman cabinet maker, OBWW)
is fond of saying:
"Vegetables are not food, they are what food eats."
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
"Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of small stature,
he stands on a basis of some half-square foot, has to straddle out
his legs lest the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite mountain melts
into light dust before him: seas are his smooth highway, winds and
fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
Thomas Carlyle
Mark wrote:
> I don't know. They sold it as beeswax so I just assumed. ...
>
> I'll have to ask next year. If I remember.
>
> For now I'll keep using it and enjoy the smell.
Keep using it forever, and keep enjoying the smell. Who cares what anybody
else thinks?
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:00:23 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> noted my sig quote and queried:
>Where did you find this quote? I want to put it on a plaque in my shop. ;-)
>
> -- Mark
In a file called "sig quotes.txt" in the "My Documents" folder. :-)
I was just looking at the file today and decided it exemplified the
spirit of the wreck. I didn't remember it being there. Ackshally,
prolly from the "Oxford Dictionary of Quotations". Nope, just looked
at it, it doesn't have the complete quote; the stuff between the first
and last sentence is ellipsisised (to coin a word - hey, at least I
ain't verbing a noun).
Must'a been somewhre on the web. Just googled it, I can't remember
going to any of the websites that show up. It could have been a
woodworking or an economics site. Can't be on the WJ site, my quote
file has dates on it.
Maybe it was on the wRECk. Yes! Bob Methelis (CapeCodBob) posted it
about a year ago.
http://www.google.ca/groups?q=+%22Man+is+a+tool-using+animal.+Weak+in%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=acuurugu22orf2dbg0kjbpmmhhjar0hgl6%404ax.com&rnum=2
Matches perfectly with what I have on file, even the line breaks. Bob
has it on his workshop wall.
I hope this answers your question.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
"Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of small stature,
he stands on a basis of some half-square foot, has to straddle out
his legs lest the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite mountain melts
into light dust before him: seas are his smooth highway, winds and
fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
Thomas Carlyle
Lazarus Long wrote:
>
>>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
>
>
> What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
> so, by how much?
I suppose there are different grades of paraffin. The paraffin I've come
across has all been hard, comes off in shavings and doesn't want to
stick to anything.
OTOH I've never used screw lube from a woodworking supply. Obviously
there are things I don't know about paraffin and mass produced screw
lube. (I know about Astro Lube)
I buy several cakes of beeswax from the BeeKeeper Association every year
while at the county fair.
This wax shouldn't be confused with the beeswax blister packed at DIY.
The stuff at DIY is processed and filtered and somewhat hard. It's great
for slicking up drawers and such.
The BeeKeeper beeswax cakes are in all stages of purity. Some are less
pure and more gummy, others are more pure and harder, some come from
clover and others come from whatever. The advantage to buying this way
is I can get a cake for every occasion. The ones I get for screwing are
hard enough to have body and soft enough to peal off and stick to the
threads.
The cakes weigh roughly 3/4 ounce, sell for $0.50 each (probably a buck
next year) and it took 3 or 4 cakes to do a 320 square foot deck and
it's railing.
Plus you can use beeswax for many things. I put a cake in a double
boiler with mineral oil and used it to seal my cutting board.
Then there's the smell. The smell takes me back to my childhood, when my
Dad would take me places and the smell would be hanging in the air.
Maybe it's because of this, the smell, that I don't care to find out if
there's a better lube available. If I have a properly sized pilot and
beeswax isn't good enough then I'll look for a better lube. So far there
hasn't been a need.
http://www.stangii.com/1/beeswax_cakes.JPG
P.S. Lazarus Long? A Heinlein fan?
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
>>>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
>>
>>
>> What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
>> so, by how much?
I think we need to keep in mind that parafin comes from petroleum which is an
animal product since it was once dinosaurs :)
PETA folks must not drive at all.
Dave Hall
Lazarus Long wrote:
>>PETA folks must not drive at all.
> Not only that, but they must also all be naked and starving since
> clothing and food looks to have been touched by some sort of "animal
> product" somewhere along the way.
You guys have PETA all wrong. That's not what we stand for at all. We're
People Eating Tasty Animals.
I think you're talking about PeTA. ;)
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On 14 Nov 2003 04:28:14 GMT, [email protected] (David Hall) wrote:
>>>>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
>>> so, by how much?
>
>I think we need to keep in mind that parafin comes from petroleum which is an
>animal product since it was once dinosaurs :)
>
>PETA folks must not drive at all.
>
>Dave Hall
Not only that, but they must also all be naked and starving since
clothing and food looks to have been touched by some sort of "animal
product" somewhere along the way.
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
> "Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of
> small stature, he stands on a basis of some
> half-square foot, has to straddle out his legs lest
> the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
> use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite
> mountain melts into light dust before him: seas are
> his smooth highway, winds and fire his unwearying
> steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
> Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
> Thomas Carlyle
Where did you find this quote? I want to put it on a plaque in my shop. ;-)
-- Mark
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Pearce wrote:
>
> Anything
> > that comes from an animal whether it kills it or not would be no good.
>
> If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
> "organic" vegetables are grown in.
>
>
Maybe I should have said, "Just about anything"
-Mike
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, GeorgeC-
> [email protected] says...
>
>>Don't know why people don't look in a dictionary. I also
>>thing indigestible would be the better term. However,
>>edible doesn't mean that you can eat it, it means that you
>>can eat it as food (that means it must be digestible).
>
>
> According to Webster, edible means "fit to be eaten"
>
>
>>So
>>inedible,
Here's the Gig:
Long as it doesn't poison me on the way through or burn or scratch on
the way out I'm fine with it.
Eatable, ingestable, whatever, long as it's poopable.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
In article <[email protected]>, GeorgeC-
[email protected] says...
> Do they french kiss?
I am almost *certain* that this falls into Andy's "more than I really
want to know" category.
CharlesJ
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USA | |Jabber: [email protected]
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Dave Balderstone <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
>
> So why bother and shop further than the neighbour?
Because the neighbor owns a Glock?
CharlesJ
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Hewlett-Packard | doesn't speak | ICQ: 29610755
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USA | |Jabber: [email protected]
Urk! I never thought of that.
I use beeswax when I'm assembling something with screws and
now you have me worried. If I'm using an inferior grade of bw
and it contains a percentage of honey, do I have to worry about
bees coming to reclaim it? Or even worse - bears??
Art
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you know the beeswax you buy is real beeswax.
> Beekeepers, at least around here, use artificial beeswax for
> combs; they certainly don't want the bees making wax since
> the conversion efficiency, from honey to wax, is so low.
> Maybe what you are getting is just the used comb after the
> honey was extracted. And the different grades just reflect
> how well the honey was extracted.
>
Wood Butcher wrote:
> I use beeswax when I'm assembling something with screws and
> now you have me worried. If I'm using an inferior grade of bw
> and it contains a percentage of honey, do I have to worry about
> bees coming to reclaim it? Or even worse - bears??
I can't drink Honey Brown here in bee season.
They are very attracted to the brew.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Tell them to get a life.. Did they walk or drive over to your place? Do they
wear synthetic or natural fiber clothes? Do they wear shoes? Do they have
electricity in their homes or go to bed at sunset? We can carry this stuff
to far. I'd cater to a different customer base if that were me!!!
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
"Mike Pearce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> A real vegan would have a problem with beeswax as well as shellac.
Anything
> that comes from an animal whether it kills it or not would be no good. Of
> course the animals that are killed when cutting trees for the wood don't
> count, but you might not want to bring it up. <g>
>
> -Mike
There are something called "fruititarians" also. They will only eat things
that can be picked without harming the host plant. Apples are OK as the
tree lives on but carrots are the roots and the plant is killed so they will
not eat them.
I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
the supermarket.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
In article <131120031931003105%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, Mike Patterson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I believe that many of those who would have us go to fully organic
> > production would prefer that half (or more) of the human race
> > disappear.
>
> Some of them have stated this publicly.
>
Of course, they are not referring to themselves; they will be needed
to guide the rest of the remaining humans in the "correct" path.
> djb
>
>
Just say that the hide glue is made from toenail trimmings from cow
pedicures.
-Jack
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| So, what is shellac made of anyway?
Bug snot. No, really.
"Lazarus Long" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| I think the bee puke is honey, shellac is the excretion of
| an insect in places like SE Asia.
Right. Lac comes from a beetle. I was fooled at first too because the
first shellac I used was a prepared mixture with a cartoon bee on the can.
But it doesn't come from a bee; it comes from a beetle. The female of the
species excretes the material which coats the surfaces of the beetle's
stomping grounds. Those stomping grounds are then ... uh ... ground and
purified to make shellac flakes.
I think the Vegans would have a cow (figuratively speaking, of course)
because of the perception that commercial distributors of shellac will want
to keep large numbers of these beetles in confined, efficient environments
where they do nothing all day but excrete shellac for their cruel human
masters instead of roaming freely to do whatever they do when they're not
excreting. This exploitation and confinement is detestable to Vegans.
Instead my limited research suggests that most lac is harvested from natural
environments after the beetles are finished with it. And the female is
encrusted to the branches etc. by the shellac and doesn't go anywhere anyway
until she dies. So I don't see the difference between being permanently
glued to a tree in the wild and being permanently glued to a tree in a
shellac factory. Apparently they're as prolific as cockroaches where they
live, so there really don't need to be any explicit shellac factories, just
places where the naturally harvested goop is rendered into a product.
So my personal opinion is that one would have to be an 88th degree Tree
Hugger to object to the use of shellac. While it does indeed come from what
might loosely be called an animal, it appears to be obtained in a way that
doesn't affect the lifestyle of the beetle.
-- Jay
I knew a woman who stopped eating Altoids mints after she discovered they
had gelatin in them.
Some people won't take medicine in gelatine capsules either.
I think a lot of shiny candy uses carnuba wax.
Poor little carnubas...
-Jack
"Lazarus Long" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I wonder how Vegans could possible avoid shellac in day to day life.
> Furniture aside, other uses for shellac include coating on candy (the
> shiny surface) and pills (medicine).
>
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:27:46 -0700, "Jay Windley"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Lazarus Long" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >|
> >| I think the bee puke is honey, shellac is the excretion of
> >| an insect in places like SE Asia.
> >
> >Right. Lac comes from a beetle. I was fooled at first too because the
> >first shellac I used was a prepared mixture with a cartoon bee on the
can.
> >But it doesn't come from a bee; it comes from a beetle. The female of
the
> >species excretes the material which coats the surfaces of the beetle's
> >stomping grounds. Those stomping grounds are then ... uh ... ground and
> >purified to make shellac flakes.
> >
> >I think the Vegans would have a cow (figuratively speaking, of course)
> >because of the perception that commercial distributors of shellac will
want
> >to keep large numbers of these beetles in confined, efficient
environments
> >where they do nothing all day but excrete shellac for their cruel human
> >masters instead of roaming freely to do whatever they do when they're not
> >excreting. This exploitation and confinement is detestable to Vegans.
> >
> >Instead my limited research suggests that most lac is harvested from
natural
> >environments after the beetles are finished with it. And the female is
> >encrusted to the branches etc. by the shellac and doesn't go anywhere
anyway
> >until she dies. So I don't see the difference between being permanently
> >glued to a tree in the wild and being permanently glued to a tree in a
> >shellac factory. Apparently they're as prolific as cockroaches where
they
> >live, so there really don't need to be any explicit shellac factories,
just
> >places where the naturally harvested goop is rendered into a product.
> >
> >So my personal opinion is that one would have to be an 88th degree Tree
> >Hugger to object to the use of shellac. While it does indeed come from
what
> >might loosely be called an animal, it appears to be obtained in a way
that
> >doesn't affect the lifestyle of the beetle.
> >
> >-- Jay
>
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| "Vegetables are not food, they are what food eats."
Seen in a steakhouse in Jackson Hole, Wyoming: "Of course we serve
vegetarians. What do you think cows are?"
"Dave Balderstone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:131120031931003105%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Mike Patterson
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I believe that many of those who would have us go to fully organic
> > production would prefer that half (or more) of the human race
> > disappear.
>
> Some of them have stated this publicly.
the proper response then would be to ask them to volunteer first. it's
usually the OTHER half they want to disappear though.
> djb
>
> --
> There are no socks in my email address.
>
> "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> On Monday morning the client met me at the jobsite and told me that we
> would have to tear out or bury all of the freshly-poured foundation...
As long as you are paid it is all good.
-Jack
Mark wrote:
> beeswax and mineral oil mix on my cutting board. Which led me to wonder
> just what the hell I may be exposing myself to. (Probably not fatal but
> what the hell, I don't know everything)
Well, even if it was Gulf wax, the stuff is edible AFAIK. I just googled
and came up with a bunch of recipes for using it as an integral part of
home-made candy.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> scribbled
>
> >Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> >Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> >go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> Most of my vegetarian friends think that eating moose (and other wild
> game) is OK. Moose-eating vegetarians from the Yukon! So the answer
> is: only if it comes from wild bees that have abandoned their hive.
Are you saying that it's only okay with the vegetarians if the moose
is f.o.r.d. (found on roadside dead)?
btw: what does moose taste like? Is it more like beef or like
venison?
Cheers,
Mike
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 13 Nov 2003 19:30:38 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) scribbled
>
> >Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
<snip>
> >> Most of my vegetarian friends think that eating moose (and other wild
> >> game) is OK. Moose-eating vegetarians from the Yukon! So the answer
> >> is: only if it comes from wild bees that have abandoned their hive.
> >
> >Are you saying that it's only okay with the vegetarians if the moose
> >is f.o.r.d. (found on roadside dead)?
>
> No, I'm talking about moose humanely killed with a .30-06 or a .303.
<snip>
> You have to live here to understand.
I understand what you were saying; I was just trying to make a funny.
Yeah, I know; don't quit my day job.
> >btw: what does moose taste like? Is it more like beef or like
> >venison?
>
> I don't know how to answer that. It tastes like moose.
<g> Indubitably. That's kind of the same response I get to the
following:
Friend: "Mike, you want to try some of this fish I just cooked.
Mike: "Does it taste fishy?"
Friend: "What the f#@k do you think it tastes like?!?"
Cheers,
Mike - spoiled by having a grandfather who raised beef cattle
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<jake@di\/ersify.com> says...
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:24:02 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
> depths:
>
> >Dave Balderstone <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
> >> Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
> >>> the supermarket.
> >>
> >> If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
> >
> >So why bother and shop further than the neighbour?
>
> Atkins, LOOK OUT! The Dahmer Diet is about to happen!
>
Alferd Packer day all over again. :-)
(Anybody who went to CU Boulder will get that reference. I wonder if
the PC movement made them change the name of the Alferd Packer grill?)
>
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>
On 13 Nov 2003 19:30:38 -0800, [email protected] (Mike) scribbled
>Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
>> <[email protected]> scribbled
>>
>> >Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
>> >Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
>> >go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>>
>> Most of my vegetarian friends think that eating moose (and other wild
>> game) is OK. Moose-eating vegetarians from the Yukon! So the answer
>> is: only if it comes from wild bees that have abandoned their hive.
>
>Are you saying that it's only okay with the vegetarians if the moose
>is f.o.r.d. (found on roadside dead)?
No, I'm talking about moose humanely killed with a .30-06 or a .303. I
think its a partly question of respecting and accepting First Nation
traditions of sharing and of respecting animals, and seeing ourselves
as part of nature. There's something sacred and wonderful about
sharing wild meat. It also stems from disliking and opposing
industrial animal raising methods for ecological and ethical reasons.
It's getting late and I'm getting philosophical. You have to live here
to understand.
>btw: what does moose taste like? Is it more like beef or like
>venison?
I don't know how to answer that. It tastes like moose. The commercial
venison and elk I've had recently had less flavour. It can be horribly
gamey if the animal was killed in the middle of the rut and little
care was taken in preventing the meat from coming into contact with
the hair. Much better and more flavourful than beef, and equally
tender on younger animals (2-3 years old).
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
"Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of small stature,
he stands on a basis of some half-square foot, has to straddle out
his legs lest the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite mountain melts
into light dust before him: seas are his smooth highway, winds and
fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
Thomas Carlyle
That's much better than bears in your britches.
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 03:28:46 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Yep, it's called bears in your boards.
>
>Wood Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Urk! I never thought of that.
>> I use beeswax when I'm assembling something with screws and
>> now you have me worried. If I'm using an inferior grade of bw
>> and it contains a percentage of honey, do I have to worry about
>> bees coming to reclaim it? Or even worse - bears??
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- nowhere. - * http://www.diversify.com
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:24:02 +0100, Juergen Hannappel
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
depths:
>Dave Balderstone <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
>> Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
>>> the supermarket.
>>
>> If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
>
>So why bother and shop further than the neighbour?
Atkins, LOOK OUT! The Dahmer Diet is about to happen!
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- nowhere. - * http://www.diversify.com
-------------------------------------------------
Dave Balderstone wrote:
>> If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
>> "organic" vegetables are grown in.
>
> If we moved to fully organic production half the world would starve to
> death.
Half the world *is* starving to death.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Mike wrote:
> Tell them to get a life.. Did they walk or drive over to your place? Do they
> wear synthetic or natural fiber clothes? Do they wear shoes? Do they have
> electricity in their homes or go to bed at sunset? We can carry this stuff
> to far. I'd cater to a different customer base if that were me!!!
If God didn't want us to eat it He wouldn't have made it taste like meat.
;)
Have you ever been in a field after a harvester/ combines gone through it?
Not exactly bloodless.
If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw. And there's
something about that smell.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Anyone out there a vegetarian?
>Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too?
>I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
>the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
I understand the hide glue issue, but shellac? Shellac is made from
insect excretions, why would that be a problem for a Vegan?
George E. Cawthon wrote:
> How do you know the beeswax you buy is real beeswax.
> Beekeepers, at least around here, use artificial beeswax for
> combs;
When you posted the 'artificial beeswax' you got me thinking how I a
beeswax and mineral oil mix on my cutting board. Which led me to wonder
just what the hell I may be exposing myself to. (Probably not fatal but
what the hell, I don't know everything)
I did the Google search, couldn't find solid information, so I called
the local beekeepers association. Very nice woman, most informative.
She has never heard of an artificial wax used in hives.
They use what's known as a foundation. The foundation is a 'clean'
beeswax film on a 'board'. Sometimes the 'board' is a wire mesh to add
strength, sometimes it's imprinted with a comb pattern, whatever suits
the keeper.
There is a plastic 'board' but keepers don't like using it because the
bees have to cover it with wax before they can use it. The plastic makes
it easier for harvesting but decreases wax production.
There you go, looks like the only wax found in a hive is old wax that's
been cleaned or the new wax made by the bees for capping.
On a side note: There is a substance called Propolis. Propolis is a
substance bees produce to glue their hives together. Propolis can be
used as a liquid Band-Aid and as a food supplement/ ingredient in vitamins.
http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?id=753
Wonder how the vegans feel about that?
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> scribbled
>Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
>Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
>go ? Is beeswax OK ?
Most of my vegetarian friends think that eating moose (and other wild
game) is OK. Moose-eating vegetarians from the Yukon! So the answer
is: only if it comes from wild bees that have abandoned their hive.
>I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
>the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
Hide glue is made from animals who have died a happy natural death
surrounded by their loving human partners (and are therefore unfit for
human consumption). So, unless they believe that critters should be
given a proper Christian burial . . .
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
"Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of
small stature, he stands on a basis of some
half-square foot, has to straddle out his legs lest
the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite
mountain melts into light dust before him: seas are
his smooth highway, winds and fire his unwearying
steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
Thomas Carlyle
Yes but is it ok if we all go there and insult his client?? lol. Anyway just
tell him like this one apprentice I had said. He told me it was called
"hide" glue because it was hard to see in a joint? I told him he was using
it for the wrong kind of joint!! LMAO
Jim
> He has already proven that he doesn't want to insult his
> client. Don't be a troublemaker, Geo.
>
>
----------------------
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:33:54 -0500, "George" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Polyurethane glues and varnishes are difficult???
Can't veneer with polyurethane glue...
And I'll paint the thing yellow before I start using poly varnish !
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:05:23 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>In article <[email protected]>, Nova
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If that's true I wondered why they don't have a problem with what their
>> "organic" vegetables are grown in.
>
>If we moved to fully organic production half the world would starve to
>death.
And the rest would be healthy as HELL!
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:19:16 -0700, "George M. Kazaka"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Well being in business for a good many years qualifies me to say I can just
>about top anyones story of weirdo clients.
>But I humbly submit that I am defeated here ,
>Oh my will suprises never stop coming forth
>
Please post some of your anecdotes, I never tire of reading "news of
the weird"
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:33:54 -0500, "George" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Polyurethane glues and varnishes are difficult??? C'mon you can even get
>them at your local borg.
He has already proven that he doesn't want to insult his
client. Don't be a troublemaker, Geo.
>"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
>> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
>> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>>
>> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
>> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>>
>> --
>> Smert' spamionam
>
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:01:37 GMT, Michael Baglio
<mbaglio<NOSPAM>@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:31:50 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:51:22 -0700, "Jay Windley"
>><[email protected]> scribbled
>>>"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>|
>>>| So, what is shellac made of anyway?
>>>
>>>Bug snot. No, really.
>>
>>True, jes' like honey.
>
>I finally get myself to accept that I'm enjoying bee puke and now you
>tell me it's actually bee _snot?_ That's disgusting.
I think the bee puke is honey, shellac is the excretion of an insect
in places like SE Asia.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:31:50 -0800, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:51:22 -0700, "Jay Windley"
><[email protected]> scribbled
>>"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>|
>>| So, what is shellac made of anyway?
>>
>>Bug snot. No, really.
>
>True, jes' like honey.
I finally get myself to accept that I'm enjoying bee puke and now you
tell me it's actually bee _snot?_ That's disgusting.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:52:16 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>Lazarus Long wrote:
>
>>
>>>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
>>
>>
>> What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
>> so, by how much?
>
>
>I suppose there are different grades of paraffin. The paraffin I've come
>across has all been hard, comes off in shavings and doesn't want to
>stick to anything.
Just had need to use something other than soap as a screw thread
lubricant. So I went to the grocery store for a box of Gulf Wax
paraffin. Yeah, kinda hard, but only $1.65 It got into the threads
and enabled me to drive the screws.
>
>OTOH I've never used screw lube from a woodworking supply. Obviously
>there are things I don't know about paraffin and mass produced screw
>lube. (I know about Astro Lube)
>
>
>I buy several cakes of beeswax from the BeeKeeper Association every year
>while at the county fair.
>
>This wax shouldn't be confused with the beeswax blister packed at DIY.
>The stuff at DIY is processed and filtered and somewhat hard. It's great
>for slicking up drawers and such.
I looked at Woodcraft and saw a high price (~$11) for a 1/2lb cake.
Ouch. I need another place to look for it.
>
>The BeeKeeper beeswax cakes are in all stages of purity. Some are less
>pure and more gummy, others are more pure and harder, some come from
>clover and others come from whatever. The advantage to buying this way
>is I can get a cake for every occasion. The ones I get for screwing are
>hard enough to have body and soft enough to peal off and stick to the
>threads.
>
>The cakes weigh roughly 3/4 ounce, sell for $0.50 each (probably a buck
>next year) and it took 3 or 4 cakes to do a 320 square foot deck and
>it's railing.
>
>Plus you can use beeswax for many things. I put a cake in a double
>boiler with mineral oil and used it to seal my cutting board.
>
>Then there's the smell. The smell takes me back to my childhood, when my
>Dad would take me places and the smell would be hanging in the air.
>
>Maybe it's because of this, the smell, that I don't care to find out if
>there's a better lube available. If I have a properly sized pilot and
>beeswax isn't good enough then I'll look for a better lube. So far there
>hasn't been a need.
>
>
>
>http://www.stangii.com/1/beeswax_cakes.JPG
>
>
>P.S. Lazarus Long? A Heinlein fan?
Yes, exactly. Obviously not my real name, that's John. But it's
been a while since I'd read a Heinlein book. I there's a couple of
his works I'd like to see made into a *good* movie. Like "The Door
Into Summer" or "Methusela's Children"
I wonder how Vegans could possible avoid shellac in day to day life.
Furniture aside, other uses for shellac include coating on candy (the
shiny surface) and pills (medicine).
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:27:46 -0700, "Jay Windley"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lazarus Long" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>|
>| I think the bee puke is honey, shellac is the excretion of
>| an insect in places like SE Asia.
>
>Right. Lac comes from a beetle. I was fooled at first too because the
>first shellac I used was a prepared mixture with a cartoon bee on the can.
>But it doesn't come from a bee; it comes from a beetle. The female of the
>species excretes the material which coats the surfaces of the beetle's
>stomping grounds. Those stomping grounds are then ... uh ... ground and
>purified to make shellac flakes.
>
>I think the Vegans would have a cow (figuratively speaking, of course)
>because of the perception that commercial distributors of shellac will want
>to keep large numbers of these beetles in confined, efficient environments
>where they do nothing all day but excrete shellac for their cruel human
>masters instead of roaming freely to do whatever they do when they're not
>excreting. This exploitation and confinement is detestable to Vegans.
>
>Instead my limited research suggests that most lac is harvested from natural
>environments after the beetles are finished with it. And the female is
>encrusted to the branches etc. by the shellac and doesn't go anywhere anyway
>until she dies. So I don't see the difference between being permanently
>glued to a tree in the wild and being permanently glued to a tree in a
>shellac factory. Apparently they're as prolific as cockroaches where they
>live, so there really don't need to be any explicit shellac factories, just
>places where the naturally harvested goop is rendered into a product.
>
>So my personal opinion is that one would have to be an 88th degree Tree
>Hugger to object to the use of shellac. While it does indeed come from what
>might loosely be called an animal, it appears to be obtained in a way that
>doesn't affect the lifestyle of the beetle.
>
>-- Jay
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:31:58 GMT, Mark <[email protected]>
wrote:
>If it weren't for bees wax I couldn't drive a screw.
What's the matter with using paraffin? Does beeswax work better? If
so, by how much?
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:12:14 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>In article <[email protected]>, Jay Windley
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Seen in a steakhouse in Jackson Hole, Wyoming: "Of course we serve
>> vegetarians. What do you think cows are?"
>
>See:
>
><http://www.balderstone.ca/Godscreatures1.jpg>
Heh heh heh.
also see: http://diversify.com/st5.html
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:51:22 -0700, "Jay Windley"
<[email protected]> scribbled
>
>"Kevin L. Bowling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>|
>| So, what is shellac made of anyway?
>
>Bug snot. No, really.
True, jes' like honey.
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
"Man is a tool-using animal. Weak in himself and of small stature,
he stands on a basis of some half-square foot, has to straddle out
his legs lest the very winds supplant him. Nevertheless, he can
use tools, can devise tools: with these the granite mountain melts
into light dust before him: seas are his smooth highway, winds and
fire his unwearying steeds. Nowhere do you find him without tools.
Without tools he is nothing: with tools he is all."
Thomas Carlyle
Jay Windley wrote:
> | So, what is shellac made of anyway?
>
> Bug snot. No, really.
Has anyone ever seen how the stuff is actually harvested?
The more I think about it, the more amazing it is, really. There must be
billions of the things on plantations somewhere, and they must drain one
hell of a lot of whatever plants they eat dry.
--
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In article <[email protected]>, "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:30:38 -0800, Mike wrote:
>
>
>> btw: what does moose taste like? Is it more like beef or like
>> venison?
>
>Not sure about moose, but elk is not nearly as gamey tasting as venison.
>
If your venison tastes gamey, you're not handling the carcass properly.
Lots of guys think it's necessary to hang the carcass to "age" the meat. This
is fine, IF you know what you're doing, AND have the right environment for it.
Most people don't. I always get mine to a good butcher as fast as possible,
and have *never* had gamey-tasting venison.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Polyurethane glues and varnishes are difficult??? C'mon you can even get
them at your local borg.
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:33:54 -0500, "George" <[email protected]>
> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >Polyurethane glues and varnishes are difficult??? C'mon you can even get
> >them at your local borg.
>
> He has already proven that he doesn't want to insult his
> client. Don't be a troublemaker, Geo.
>
You're being too generous. He hasn't given them full disclosure on shellac!
<g>
I guess I wasn't really thinking about your client. Maybe Behlen's salad
bowl finish would be in order...in case they get hungry. <g>
You CAN veneer with epoxy (use a vacuum press)...I would assume the same
technique could be used with polyurethane glue (or does it expand too
much?).
Finally, yellow works for me. (and provides much more UV protection)
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:33:54 -0500, "George" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Polyurethane glues and varnishes are difficult???
>
> Can't veneer with polyurethane glue...
>
> And I'll paint the thing yellow before I start using poly varnish !
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
Dave Balderstone <[email protected]> writes:
> In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
> Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I won't eat animals either. I just eat things like steak that comes from
>> the supermarket.
>
> If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?
So why bother and shop further than the neighbour?
--
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Andy Dingley <[email protected]> writes:
> Anyone out there a vegetarian, or have veggie clients ? Any vegans ?
> Do you extend vegetarianism to your woodworking too ? How far do you
> go ? Is beeswax OK ?
>
> I've got an issue going on with hide glue at the moment. Fortunately
> the client doesn't know what shellac is made from 8-)
So you would only be able to use starch glue or birch tar or resin
from trees, because you can never be sure that no animals were in the
organic stuff taht became the crude oil thhat is worked into "modern"
glues.
What about the dead worms that fertilize the soil for the plante?
--
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mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
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CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:03:02 +0000, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
<snip of successful pour of complex foundation>
> On Monday morning the client met me at the jobsite and told me that we
> would have to tear out or bury all of the freshly-poured foundation...
>
> ...because over the weekend, her Feng-Shui person had told her that
> the house was sited wrong.
Two things:
- Demand immediate payment in full of all expenses to date, prior to any
demolition occurring.
- Walk off the jobsite never to return.
Jon E
George E. Cawthon wrote:
> How do you know the beeswax you buy is real beeswax.
> Beekeepers, at least around here, use artificial beeswax for
> combs; they certainly don't want the bees making wax since
> the conversion efficiency, from honey to wax, is so low.
I don't know. They sold it as beeswax so I just assumed. ...
I'll have to ask next year. If I remember.
For now I'll keep using it and enjoy the smell.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)