If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
this week... When gorey becomes glory, it draws my attention.
Bill
On 5/3/2011 11:26 PM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>>
>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>
> I don't understand.
>
>
>>
>>>> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
>>>> this week...
>>
>> Huh? That makes no sense.
>
> You didn't hear anything about the Navy Seals killing someone "big" this
> week?
>
>
>>
>>>> When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
>>
>> You just can't look away?
>
> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could look
> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
> Peace.
>
> Bill
I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote
from one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with
great pleasure."
Mark Twain
--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX
On 5/4/2011 12:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/3/2011 11:26 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>>> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could look
>>> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
>>> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
>>> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>>> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
>>> Peace.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote
>>from one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
>>
>>
>> "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with
>> great pleasure."
>> Mark Twain
>>
> Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting crowds
> gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's death, and the
> chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the Middle East on
> 9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans.
The difference is that the Middle East chanters were celebrating the
death of innocent men, women and children, while the U.S. chanters were
celebrating the death of the terrorist responsible for killing the
innocents. I personally am satisfied that justice was done. I don't
see it as appropriate to celebrate any death by chanting in the streets.
>
> I'm pleased that bin Laden is dead. And I'm pleased that the last thing he saw
> before he died was a U.S. Navy Seal with a rifle in his hands -- that he died
> knowing that America was about to deliver justice. But I'm not out in the
> streets chanting and hooting about it.
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> I'm glad he was
> found, unsure whether I preferred him shot or executed after a
> trial, and
> not at all interested in dancing in the street about it.
---------------------------------
Lowest cost of disposal.
Neat, clean, fast, and no memorial.
Get back to me in a year.
bin Laden WHO?
Lew
"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> I'm glad he was
> found, unsure whether I preferred him shot or executed after a
> trial, and
> not at all interested in dancing in the street about it.
---------------------------------
Consider it as just carrying out the trash.
Lowest cost of disposal with the least residue.
Neat, clean, fast, and no memorial.
Get back to me in a year.
bin Laden WHO?
Lew
On May 4, 7:05=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:26:51 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> =A0 wrote:
>
> >>>> Bill wrote:
> >>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
> >>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>
> >>>>>http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>
> >>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>
> >> I don't understand.
>
> > You wouldn't.
>
> So, WTFAYTA???
It is krwbizzzzzz... let it go, Bill.
Bill wrote:
>
> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could
> look away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my
> wife this evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating
> or glorifying the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried
> to keep my mind free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive
> for myself, at best. Peace.
>
I don't think repression of a normal human emotion is good for you. It's
what you DO with an emotion that can cause grief - or satisfaction, not the
emotion itself.
bin laden with rats.
----------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
bin Laden WHO?
Lew
"Robert Allison" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote from
> one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
> "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great
> pleasure."
> Mark Twain
I believe that the world would be better off with far less violence. On the
other hand, there are some people who need killing, if only for the good of
everyone else.
Interesting to see the Dali Lama's view on this:
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2011/05/04/1587713/dalai-lama-suggests-killing-bin.html
Dalai Lama suggests killing bin Laden justified
By The Associated Press
The Dalai Lama seems to suggest the United States was justified in killing
Osama bin Laden.
Speaking Tuesday to about 3,000 students at the University of Southern
California, the 75-year-old Tibetan leader says bin Laden, as a human being,
may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness.
But the Los Angeles Times says the Dalai Lama added: "Forgiveness doesn't
mean forget what happened."
He says it is sometimes necessary to take counter-measures.
It's the Dalai Lama's first U.S. visit since stepping down recently as the
day-to-day political leader of Tibet's government in exile.
He skipped earlier Southern California appearances this week because he fell
ill with a sore throat. He has stops scheduled Wednesday in Long Beach and
Irvine.
On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bill wrote:
>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>
>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
Why do you support freeloaders?
>> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
>> this week...
Huh? That makes no sense.
>> When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
You just can't look away?
Bill wrote:
> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>
> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>
> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
> this week... When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
>
> Bill
typo-fixed.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:
>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>
>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>
> Why do you support freeloaders?
I don't understand.
>
>>> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
>>> this week...
>
> Huh? That makes no sense.
You didn't hear anything about the Navy Seals killing someone "big" this
week?
>
>>> When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
>
> You just can't look away?
Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could look
away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
Peace.
Bill
In article <[email protected]>, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/3/2011 11:26 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could look
>> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
>> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
>> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
>> Peace.
>>
>> Bill
>
>I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote
>from one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
>
>
>"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with
>great pleasure."
> Mark Twain
>
Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting crowds
gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's death, and the
chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the Middle East on
9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans.
I'm pleased that bin Laden is dead. And I'm pleased that the last thing he saw
before he died was a U.S. Navy Seal with a rifle in his hands -- that he died
knowing that America was about to deliver justice. But I'm not out in the
streets chanting and hooting about it.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:26:51 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>>>
>>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>>
>> I don't understand.
>
> You wouldn't.
I still don't understand (and you don't seem very interested in
explaining yourself)...
>
>>>>> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
>>>>> this week...
>>>
>>> Huh? That makes no sense.
>>
>> You didn't hear anything about the Navy Seals killing someone "big" this
>> week?
>
> How is that "blood spattered in the direction of *virtually* every American".
> That makes no sense either figuratively or literally.
>
>>>>> When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
>>>
>>> You just can't look away?
>>
>> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation.
>
> More nonsense. Indifference has nothing to do with your compulsion to look at
> the gore.
>
>> Yes, I could look
>> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think.
>
> But you're compelled to look at the gore. You *WANT* to look at it. Perhaps
> you're ashamed at your reaction, but you *CAN'T* help it. Maybe that's why
> you're ashamed, not because a murderer was brought to justice.
I don't think you understand me very well at all. I think I would have
little trouble killing someone if I needed to. I think I would be
sorrowful rather than glad about it. Not necessarily sad. I think if
your goal in this case is justice, you have a lot more people to track
down and a lot of losses that still need to be made whole.
>
>> I explained to my wife this
>> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
>> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
>
> "Hate" has little to do with it. It's about "justice".
>
>> Peace.
>
> ...until you're compelled to rubberneck at the next traffic accident.
>
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:26:51 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>>>
>>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>>
>> I don't understand.
>
> You wouldn't.
>
So, WTFAYTA???
On Wed, 04 May 2011 18:23:43 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
> Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting
> crowds gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's
> death, and the chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the
> Middle East on 9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000
> Americans.
I see I'm not the only one who noticed the resemblance. I'm glad he was
found, unsure whether I preferred him shot or executed after a trial, and
not at all interested in dancing in the street about it.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 04 May 2011 18:23:43 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting
>> crowds gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's
>> death, and the chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the
>> Middle East on 9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000
>> Americans.
>
> I see I'm not the only one who noticed the resemblance. I'm glad he was
> found, unsure whether I preferred him shot or executed after a trial, and
> not at all interested in dancing in the street about it.
>
I found it strange that people in Salem, Oregon - 2,500 miles from the
events of 9/11 - gathered to chant in front of the Capitol Building. Didn't
see anything about similar goings on in Portland.
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:37:26 -0600, Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/4/2011 12:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2011 11:26 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>>> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could look
>>>> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
>>>> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
>>>> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>>>> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
>>>> Peace.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote
>>>from one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
>>>
>>>
>>> "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with
>>> great pleasure."
>>> Mark Twain
>>>
>> Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting crowds
>> gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's death, and the
>> chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the Middle East on
>> 9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans.
>
>The difference is that the Middle East chanters were celebrating the
>death of innocent men, women and children, while the U.S. chanters were
>celebrating the death of the terrorist responsible for killing the
>innocents. I personally am satisfied that justice was done. I don't
>see it as appropriate to celebrate any death by chanting in the streets.
I don't either, but I certainly understand those who did celebrate the closing
of that chapter.
>> I'm pleased that bin Laden is dead. And I'm pleased that the last thing he saw
>> before he died was a U.S. Navy Seal with a rifle in his hands -- that he died
>> knowing that America was about to deliver justice. But I'm not out in the
>> streets chanting and hooting about it.
Just Wondering wrote the following:
> On 5/4/2011 12:23 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2011 11:26 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>>> Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation. Yes, I could
>>>> look
>>>> away, or I can ask (myself) what I think. I explained to my wife this
>>>> evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or
>>>> glorifying
>>>> the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>>>> free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at
>>>> best.
>>>> Peace.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> I, too, have a problem with celebrating death. I remembered a quote
>>> from one of my favorite people that puts it into perspective for me:
>>>
>>>
>>> "I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with
>>> great pleasure."
>>> Mark Twain
>>>
>> Yep, I agree. I don't see a lot of distinction between the chanting
>> crowds
>> gathered in D.C. and NYC, celebrating the news of bin Laden's death,
>> and the
>> chanting, shouting crowds gathered in many cities in the Middle East on
>> 9-11-2001 celebrating the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans.
>
> The difference is that the Middle East chanters were celebrating the
> death of innocent men, women and children, while the U.S. chanters
> were celebrating the death of the terrorist responsible for killing
> the innocents. I personally am satisfied that justice was done. I
> don't see it as appropriate to celebrate any death by chanting in the
> streets.
>>
>> I'm pleased that bin Laden is dead. And I'm pleased that the last
>> thing he saw
>> before he died was a U.S. Navy Seal with a rifle in his hands -- that
>> he died
>> knowing that America was about to deliver justice. But I'm not out in
>> the
>> streets chanting and hooting about it.
>
At least it was more civilized than the crowd's celebration of some
sports championship game winner.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:26:51 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>>
>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>
>I don't understand.
You wouldn't.
>>>> Blood has been spattered in the direction of virtually every American
>>>> this week...
>>
>> Huh? That makes no sense.
>
>You didn't hear anything about the Navy Seals killing someone "big" this
>week?
How is that "blood spattered in the direction of *virtually* every American".
That makes no sense either figuratively or literally.
>>>> When gory becomes glory, it draws my attention.
>>
>> You just can't look away?
>
>Indifference, like laziness, requires no explanation.
More nonsense. Indifference has nothing to do with your compulsion to look at
the gore.
>Yes, I could look
>away, or I can ask (myself) what I think.
But you're compelled to look at the gore. You *WANT* to look at it. Perhaps
you're ashamed at your reaction, but you *CAN'T* help it. Maybe that's why
you're ashamed, not because a murderer was brought to justice.
>I explained to my wife this
>evening that I think I would have a hard time celebrating or glorifying
>the killing of anyone. Maybe that's because I've tried to keep my mind
>free of "hate"--an emotion that I find unproductive for myself, at best.
"Hate" has little to do with it. It's about "justice".
> Peace.
...until you're compelled to rubberneck at the next traffic accident.
On Wed, 04 May 2011 19:05:22 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2011 00:26:51 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2011 23:11:30 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>> If you want to read what other woodworkers have to say about
>>>>>> the American Civil War, I just ran across a recent thread here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?164077-Civil-War
>>>>
>>>> Why do you support freeloaders?
>>>
>>> I don't understand.
>>
>> You wouldn't.
>>
>
>So, WTFAYTA???
Who cares? Why not just plonk him and forget him, Bill?
--
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile,
hoping it will eat him last.
-- Sir Winston Churchill