I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
money to "his shipper".
So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
and mailed me a check.
I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
microprinting and a watermark.
i
if you're craiglisting, why not add a line to the effect that any cheques
requiring "change" will only be accepted on the strict understanding that
this will entail an eight week clearing time before goods are despatched or
monies go out?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
--B'ored Um'borg, deposed assistant depity chief commissioner, Nigerian
Secret Police. I am running for my life as my office has ransacked and my
identity stolen by an unscrupulous bad fellah who is wearing my gold braid
trouser and sitting in my best chair and who had me knocked on head and made
have plastic surgery to look like someone else I never resemble.
I have 270 million U.S. dollar and forty three cent. from sales of office
furniture and gifts what I am mean to place in a deposit of your choosing
when I can get out of my country with scrotum of St. Paul and genuine one of
Jesus Nike sandal on attractive velvet frame. Supplies limited
I am willing to donate ffdtry percent - nearly half - of this fund to person
who will help me regain what is rightfully mine safely out of country.
To do this I am to need a way to transfer funds to God-fearing resident of
honourable status and kindly disposal and charity who is respectable and
popular with people of good standing in your country with established
account. A mutual friend has told me you are person of integrity and honour
and will be likely to help even without reward, but I would like to repay
your kindness with large sum of untraceable tax-free easy come fund for your
enjoyment for this small favour.
I have no liquid asset, due to plastic surgery look like other fellah and
cannot get served in Post Office so I need a small sum to first get over
border and fly to safe country with Western Union and gentleman's outfitter
where I can arrange the release of funding to your account.
I also need to buy solar panel, a small jazz size drum set, baking
ingredients and customized car with attractive metal flame paint for which I
can pay by immediate cheque which I cannot cash in this country due to
plastic surgery face, but for inconvenience I will pay double value to you
with larger cheque of which you deduct twice the value and forward remainder
to my mother's great aunt living in Alabama.
I look forward to your kindness and Christian Samaritan in this matter of
delicacy and speed.
Dear Edward.
I am living in asian and is desperate to buy a car that has been written off
in an accident at your higher profit margin.
I particular want buy car with fail brakes and skiddy tire that will make
anniversary gift for wife from rich family, and if gasolene tank is
perforate, so much better. I of course will fix these thing,
I particular look for car with front and back different the same model, held
body filler with nice paint.
Is cherished license plate available, if please, and no record of sale?
--Rodriguez Leonardo "Mikey" Abdul du Pont Singh
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:02:23 +0100, cavelamb wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> this just in - Generalimiso Franko is still dead...
>
> Good day ,
> My name is Edward,I am a United States Citizen from the States
> of Illinois,but i am always away from the US for most parts of the year on
> business.I am a dealer in Used and Accidented automobiles and trucks.What i
do
> is source for used and accidented cars on auction sales from within the
united
> states ,buy them after due negotiations and then make payments for them for
> onward shipment to their various destinations for resale at a much higher
> profit
> making margin mostly in Europes, and asian where there is a very large and
> growing market for used cars.
> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to make the
> payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the destinations where
> they
> are needed,but owing to the nature of my job which demands my having to globe
> trot,I need person that can assist me in mailing out the payment by cheque to
> my various sellers under my account and also mailing letter out letters.
> I`ll teach the person how to make it out and $500 is the salary for two week.
> You will be working two to three hours every three days in a week.
> Please contact me if you are really serious bout this Job.
> Regards,
> Edward.
> God Be with You.
On Apr 22, 6:10=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jedd Haas wrote:
> > It seems to me the authorities are not all that interested in these
> > scams.
>
> > I had someone offer to send me a check, so I gave them the name and
> > address of our local US Attorney.
>
> > Sure enough, they sent a check for $2,450, (on a $100 item) via UPS
> > overnight, and someone signed for it.
>
> > Sadly, the AUSA assigned to "criminal" never calls me back or even
> > answers his phone.
>
> Did they do anything illegal? =A0Sending you a check for 24.5 times the a=
mount
> of the purchase is not in itself a crime. =A0Did you deposit the check? =
=A0Did
> it bounce? =A0If so, _then_ it's time to get "the authorities" involved.
> Until that time there's nothing the AUSA can do except wait for something
> illegal to happen. =A0If you're calling him asking him to do something wh=
en no
> provable violation of the law has occurred then you're wasting his time a=
nd
> yours.
If the check is knowingly written on a nonexistent account, an account
with insufficient funds, or otherwise forged it certainly is a crime.
The bounce is certainly proof of a crime but it's not the only proof.
OTOH, you can't really expect the US attorney's office to go after on
every scam. It's time people stop falling for this one.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> On 2009-04-18, cavelamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>>> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>>> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>>> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>>> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>>> money to "his shipper".
>>>
>>> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>>> and mailed me a check.
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>>
>>> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>>> microprinting and a watermark.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear. That's the real test.
>>
>> If it clears? Maybe you should ship something to him?
>
> It will not clear, or worse, it will clear and then the "issuer" bank
> will come for a refund. I will be stuck with bounced check charges. I
> will definitely not deposit it.
>
> i
I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
bounce. What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
they deduct it from your account.
But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller at the
bank when you cash the check.
--
http://www.wescottdesign.com
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer mailed
> me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts of stuff
> that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would rudely
> decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire money to "his
> shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
Contact your local authorities with the story, and see if they're
interested. It's your duty as a citizen -- see if they'll do their duty
as cops.
--
http://www.wescottdesign.com
Bored Borg wrote:
> if you're craiglisting, why not add a line to the effect that any cheques
> requiring "change" will only be accepted on the strict understanding that
> this will entail an eight week clearing time before goods are despatched or
> monies go out?
A better position might be to state that all payments via check are for
the precise amount and any overage will be kept and/or donated to
charity as it was not requested to begin with. Regardless, the idea of
waiting 6-8 weeks for the checks to clear should be standard.
On 2009-04-18, sweet sawdust <[email protected]> wrote:
> The following happened to me:
> One Item worth about $1200 new on Craig's list for $300 or best offer, E
> mail from buyer wanting item, offered to send check for item and shipping
> costs to be paid to his shipper, since he was out of town. Check arrives by
> UPS for $3900 and has instructions to sent $2000 to shipper $500 to me and
> rest to him by my check all to PO boxes. I called the bank the check was
> written on and they confirmed it was a stolen, not forged cashier's check,
> that had the amount, siginature etc forged on it. Contacted Police, FBI etc
> and they were uninterested. Recieved another check for another item on
> Crair's list same routine except this was written on a company not a
> caisher's check. Called bank and it was a stolen check, called company and
> they got exicited and asked for the check which I sent them. My local bank
> will not cash a cashier's check, they hold the check until they get the
> money in hand before they give you a dime of it, to many people getting
> burned according to the manager I talked to. Of the three checks I got all
> three were stolen checks, all three were for $3900, all were sent UPS at a
> cost of $35 shipping, all paid UPS with stolen credit cards. Two were e-mail
> transactions and one was just sent to me and I never did know what for.
>
>
Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
i
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:27:37 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>>microprinting and a watermark.
<snip>
It is always possible that the check is genuine in the sense that
it is a stolen genuine check or a genuine check for an account
created for the scam w/ ISF.
Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?
Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
On 2009-04-18, john <[email protected]> wrote:
> Check with your bank and see if they will do an immediate electronic
> transfer of funds from the other bank of that check. They may charge a
> fee but it would tell you right away if the check is bogus.
I already know that the check is bogus. I am not sure what is the
point to pay anyone to tell me the same thing.
i
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> That could be.
>
>> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller
>> at the bank when you cash the check.
>
> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was $600):
>
> ``Hello I***,
>
> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
> the
> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>
> *NAME :J**** T****
> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
Go back and read the "Scam Alert" thread.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Brad Bruce wrote:
> Your post sounds EXACTLY like what happened to me last year. I called
> the company that supposedly issued the check and spoke to their security
> guy. He was VERY interested. It turned out that this particular
> scammer had chosen the wrong company to pretend to be.
>
> Last I heard the FBI was tracking him down.
Yeah, sure. Suggest they focus on Accra, Ghana.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
>> printer these days.
>
> AFAIK You buy the blank checks, and use a special cartridge that is
> magnetic for the account number. I'm not sure if a laser printer will work.
It will.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Apr 18, 6:58=A0am, Ignoramus14774
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
I would start with a local branch of Well Fargo. If they are not
interested, I would use the internet to find the police in Brooklyn
where the funds were to be sent, and notify them. I would think they
would be interested in anyone in their jurisdiction.
Dan
"Bill Noble" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tim Wescott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>>
>
>>> i
>>
>> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
>> bounce. What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
>> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
>> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
>> they deduct it from your account.
>>
>> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller at the
>> bank when you cash the check.
>>
>> --
>
> tim - I can assure you that you are mistaken - I just recently had a check
> someone gave me bounce - my bank charged me $10, his bank may have charged
> him something also
>
That's right, my wife had her paycheck bounce and we were charged $27.00.
You get charged if you bounce a check or someone give you a bad check and
you deposit it in your account. The thing to do is if the check is written
on a bank with a branch in your area, go there and just cash it. If there is
enough money in the account you get paid. If there isn't enough money in the
account, you don't get paid.
Richard W.
On Apr 25, 12:29=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:22:08 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:
>
> >> cavelamb <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >>> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to
> >>> make the payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the
> >>> destinations where they are needed,but owing to the nature of my job
> >>> which demands my having to globe trot,I need person that can assist m=
e
> >>> in mailing out the payment by cheque to my various sellers under my
> >>> account and also mailing letter out letters.
> >> Yeah. LOL. Just the other day I wanted to buy an accidented car.
>
> > I've already got one :-).
>
> Love the word, if nothing else.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
:-) I had a chuckle when I noticed that in Oz, the autobody repair
shops, they're all called (signs and all) Smash Shops.
Smash Repairs Done Here! Expert Smash Repairs, etc.. quite funny.
On Apr 20, 2:19=A0pm, "Stupendous Man" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The local cops and the postal inspectors don't have time for this stuff.
> staple the check to a wall in the shop, and collect more! It gets more fu=
n
> when they threaten to call the police if you don't send the "remittance".
> Torment the pricks, it's fun. Make them waste their time by asking them t=
o
> mail confimation of bank numbers and addresses, get a phone number you ca=
n
> call collect.
While wasting your own time. I'd ratehr work in the shop or pet my dog
or talk to my wife or...
"[email protected]" wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 6:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Lew Hodgett wrote:
> >
> > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> >
> > > > At the bank that refused to open an account?
> >
> > > Pick one you like.
> >
> > I tried. The couple bank brancehs on this end of town weren';t
> > interested. That is why I stuck with the Credit Union. The VA has no
> > problem with direct desposit to my Credit Union and it saves me $5 a
> > month in fees.
> >
> > > > I used direct deposit at my last job, because that was all they
> > > > offered, after the first paycheck.
> >
> > > It has a lot of advantages, IMHO.
> >
> > Yes, you got your pay a day or two early with that company's direct
> > deposit
> >
> > --
> > You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
>
> Ours is a couple of days later (Monday vs. Friday) with direct
> deposit. It's still easier, particularly since our CU is 1000mi from
> here. ;-)
That's still faster than depositing it yourself, and not as tiring.,
;-)
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
The local cops and the postal inspectors don't have time for this stuff.
staple the check to a wall in the shop, and collect more! It gets more fun
when they threaten to call the police if you don't send the "remittance".
Torment the pricks, it's fun. Make them waste their time by asking them to
mail confimation of bank numbers and addresses, get a phone number you can
call collect.
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
> So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
> printer these days.
AFAIK You buy the blank checks, and use a special cartridge that is
magnetic for the account number. I'm not sure if a laser printer will work.
Tim Wescott <[email protected]> writes:
> Contact your local authorities with the story, and see if they're
> interested. It's your duty as a citizen -- see if they'll do their duty
> as cops.
Do the local cops after international crooks? Not likely.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
>>> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
>>> other names and amounts.
>>>
>>> Newer check producing technology combats this.
>>
>> While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice,
>
> Hmmm, it's worked for years in practice.
That's why he said "Newer technology combats this"
Brad Bruce <[email protected]> writes:
>> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>> microprinting and a watermark.
>>
>> i
>
> DO NOT DEPOSIT IT!!!!
>
> The offender can get your bank account number.
I don't see how, as the account # on the check is faked. In fact,
they don't care about the check. They just care about the money you
are goin g to wire them.
cavelamb <[email protected]> writes:
> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to make the
> payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the destinations where they
> are needed,but owing to the nature of my job which demands my having to globe
> trot,I need person that can assist me in mailing out the payment by cheque to
> my various sellers under my account and also mailing letter out letters.
Yeah. LOL. Just the other day I wanted to buy an accidented car.
Richard W. wrote:
> That's right, my wife had her paycheck bounce and we were charged
> $27.00. You get charged if you bounce a check or someone give you a
> bad check and you deposit it in your account. The thing to do is if
> the check is written on a bank with a branch in your area, go there
> and just cash it. If there is enough money in the account you get
> paid. If there isn't enough money in the account, you don't get paid.
>
> Richard W.
You can also try to cash a check more than once, provided there is no fee
for you to pay if it won't clear that can be worthwhile to try. Some banks
will even hold the check for you and clear it if enough money is deposited
to the account.
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
The following happened to me:
One Item worth about $1200 new on Craig's list for $300 or best offer, E
mail from buyer wanting item, offered to send check for item and shipping
costs to be paid to his shipper, since he was out of town. Check arrives by
UPS for $3900 and has instructions to sent $2000 to shipper $500 to me and
rest to him by my check all to PO boxes. I called the bank the check was
written on and they confirmed it was a stolen, not forged cashier's check,
that had the amount, siginature etc forged on it. Contacted Police, FBI etc
and they were uninterested. Recieved another check for another item on
Crair's list same routine except this was written on a company not a
caisher's check. Called bank and it was a stolen check, called company and
they got exicited and asked for the check which I sent them. My local bank
will not cash a cashier's check, they hold the check until they get the
money in hand before they give you a dime of it, to many people getting
burned according to the manager I talked to. Of the three checks I got all
three were stolen checks, all three were for $3900, all were sent UPS at a
cost of $35 shipping, all paid UPS with stolen credit cards. Two were e-mail
transactions and one was just sent to me and I never did know what for.
On 2009-04-18, cavelamb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>> money to "his shipper".
>>
>> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>> and mailed me a check.
>>
>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>
>> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>> microprinting and a watermark.
>>
>> i
>
> Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
> That's the real test.
>
> If it clears? Maybe you should ship something to him?
It will not clear, or worse, it will clear and then the "issuer" bank
will come for a refund. I will be stuck with bounced check charges. I
will definitely not deposit it.
i
On 2009-04-18, Spehro Pefhany <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, the renowned Ignoramus14774
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>>money to "his shipper".
>>
>>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>>and mailed me a check.
>>
>>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>
>>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>>microprinting and a watermark.
>>
>>i
>
> I'd be interested in seeing a really high quality scan of it (black
> out any info you don't want made public, of course).
OK, I will scan it. This is a "check" that is made to look like a
Wells Fargo check. I have another Wells Fargo check from a customer,
and they look somewhat different, on the real one thereis a logo of
WFC, for example.
(I own 1000 shares of Wells Fargo also)
i
On 2009-04-18, Tim Wescott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
> bounce.
I had quite a few others' checks bounce and my bank did charge me.
> What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
> they deduct it from your account.
That could be.
> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller
> at the bank when you cash the check.
This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was $600):
``Hello I***,
Thank you getting back to me promptly.
The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
the
necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
*NAME :J**** T****
ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
"RogerN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should be
> able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my debit
> card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show up on my
> account that day.
>
> RogerN
They can do transfer funds with a check also. What cannot be done is to
verify if the check or your debit card was stolen. I can prove it. Send me
your debit card (FedEx or courier) and I'll make a purchase with it. This
is, of course, for testing purposes only.
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Fughedabout the authorities, they are overloaded with complaints about
those scams.
A few years ago, just for shits and grins I tried to see how long I
could play a scammer before he got off the hook.
http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/jeff/scambusting.html
Jeff
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
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Bored Borg wrote:
> if you're craiglisting, why not add a line to the effect that any
> cheques requiring "change" will only be accepted on the strict
> understanding that this will entail an eight week clearing time
> before goods are despatched or monies go out?
>
It's much more fun to reverse the offer:
"You wire the money to me and I'll send you a certified check as change."
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RogerN wrote:
>> What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should
>> be able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my
>> debit card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show
>> up on my account that day.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
>
> Which is why we shouldn't even be using checks.... ever.
>
> Especially in front of in line. :-)
>
No cash either... only debits via scans of embedded chips will keep the
criminals away. ;~)
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was
> $600):
>
> ``Hello I***,
>
> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
> the
> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>
> *NAME :J**** T****
> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
Guaranteed scam, the poor slob is Brooklyn is being paid to redirect
packages elsewhere, probably overseas; odds are he'll end up getting burned
too. Such scammers are even using very convincing (but fake) Postal Money
Orders so their victims think there's no way it could be a scam, but it is.
I'd take this to the police fraud squad, or if the Postal Service is
involved to the Postal Inspector. At least they can have the cops in
Brooklyn alert the re-shipper he is unwittingly being used in a criminal
enterprise.
On 2009-04-19, Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> cavelamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
>>That's the real test.
>
> Extremely bad idea. The check will clear, and 2-3 weeks later, the banks
> will realize it was forged. Then they'll come after you to get their money
> back.
I have no doubt that the check is fake, but I wonder about
something. The "issuing" bank is Wells Fargo. Why would it take so
long for the check to be found forged? Why not a day or two?
i
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2009-04-18, Tim Wescott <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
>> bounce.
>
> I had quite a few others' checks bounce and my bank did charge me.
>
>> What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
>> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
>> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
>> they deduct it from your account.
>
> That could be.
>
>> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller
>> at the bank when you cash the check.
>
> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was $600):
>
> ``Hello I***,
>
> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
> the
> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>
> *NAME :J**** T****
> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
>
That's perty much the e-mail I got.
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>
> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was $600):
>
> ``Hello I***,
>
> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
> the
> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>
> *NAME :J**** T****
> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
>
Nope - that's a scam.
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
If the check was mailed to you, contact your local Postal Inspectors
office. Using the U.S. Mail to commit fraud is a serious Federal
offense, and they don't care if whoever sent it is in another state.
Len
krw wrote:
... snip
> You've never had them scan a check then hand it back to you? Checks
> are often converted to EFTs now (have been for *years*). Some simply
> destroy the check (perhaps so you don't get upset) while others will
> hand it back for you to destroy. The wonders of modern banking. :-(
Yeah, that is really frustrating. I have been saved numerous times in the
past having a cancelled check in my possession to show payment. One of the
reasons I kept my bank account in Texas when I moved to Tucson was because
cancelled checks were returned to me. Now, I very seldom get a cancelled
check -- most of the checks are scanned and destroyed by the receiver.
If I'd have wanted electronic fund transfer, I'd have set up electronic
fund transfer.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Rick Samuel wrote:
>> I'd take this to the police fraud squad, or if the Postal Service is
>> involved to the Postal Inspector. At least they can have the cops in
>> Brooklyn alert the re-shipper he is unwittingly being used in a
>> criminal enterprise.
>
> Post Office will not be involved. Note how he wanted Western Union
> to do the transaction. Mention Post Office and they will tell you
> "NO!" in a panic.
> One I dealt with wanted to do it in person ?? send a courier. So I
> mentioned the Post Office...NO way.
Figures, the Postal Inspectors are hard-asses, them and Customs have powers
the cops only wish they had.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> > At the bank that refused to open an account?
>
> Pick one you like.
I tried. The couple bank brancehs on this end of town weren';t
interested. That is why I stuck with the Credit Union. The VA has no
problem with direct desposit to my Credit Union and it saves me $5 a
month in fees.
> > I used direct deposit at my last job, because that was all they
> > offered, after the first paycheck.
>
> It has a lot of advantages, IMHO.
Yes, you got your pay a day or two early with that company's direct
deposit
--
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Ignoramus14774 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
DO NOT DEPOSIT IT!!!!
The offender can get your bank account number.
Your post sounds EXACTLY like what happened to me last year. I called
the company that supposedly issued the check and spoke to their security
guy. He was VERY interested. It turned out that this particular
scammer had chosen the wrong company to pretend to be.
Last I heard the FBI was tracking him down.
Did the check come via UPS / FedEx / DHL? If so, they cannot do
anything. Only the US postal service can deal with interstate fraud
like this.
Good Luck
Brad
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Ask for ceritfied checks. that should stop the problem
J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> Banks and clearing house no longer rely on magnetic ink - it's now
>> all optical.
>
> Do you have a source for this?
Sorry, no. That's what my banker told me.
>
>> Some merchants, however, still have magnetic ink scanners and won't
>> accept a non-magnetic check (i.e., Sam's Club).
>
> I've never had a merchant use any kind of scanner on a check that I
> presented at the counter.
Hmm. Then you don't deal with retail establishments that a) process a huge
volume of checks or b) have dodgy customers. Stores that subscribe to
TeleCheck (and similar) that guarantee the check for a small fee have to
have some fast and easy way to communicate the check's information. These
firms use check scanners.
Recently I wrote a (large) check to a physician. The Telecheck check-reader
thing-a-majiggy went "TILT" and I thought the help behind the desk was going
to fidget to death!
The problem was a miss-read.
Feeding the check through the machine again yielded a green light and they
quit beating me.
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> On 2009-04-18, cavelamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>>> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>>> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>>> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>>> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>>> money to "his shipper".
>>>
>>> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted
>>> me and mailed me a check.
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like
>>> police for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof
>>> method of receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>>
>>> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>>> microprinting and a watermark.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
>> That's the real test.
>>
>> If it clears? Maybe you should ship something to him?
>
> It will not clear, or worse, it will clear and then the "issuer" bank
> will come for a refund. I will be stuck with bounced check charges. I
> will definitely not deposit it.
My idiot ex-father-in-law did. Three of them, all from an "insurance
company", all bounced.
Now the bank is suing him for the $48,000+ they are out and he'll wind up
with still another lien on his house. The bank will collect when he dies
and the house is sold *IF* the house sells for enough to cover the more
senior encumbrances and their 48 large. Since he is 80 the bank may find
out soon. I hope so.
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"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> RogerN wrote:
>>> What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should
>>> be able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my
>>> debit card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show
>>> up on my account that day.
>>>
>>> RogerN
>>>
>>
>> Which is why we shouldn't even be using checks.... ever.
>>
>> Especially in front of in line. :-)
>>
>
> No cash either... only debits via scans of embedded chips will keep the
> criminals away. ;~)
>
They should be implanted in your right hand or forehead!
RogerN
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Send the check back. Tell him you want the money via Western Union.
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
I have had 2 of these in a week on an $800 item. The last one I e mailed and
said I did not quite understand his e mail. Would he send me his phone
number. That took care of it. No reply. I knew they were a scam. WW
On Apr 20, 5:41=A0pm, Tom Veatch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:43:11 -0400, Gerald Miller
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Dunno about the hew hess of hay but up here in snowland, the issuing
> >bank will not cash its own check if you don't have an account there.
> >At least this was my experience.
>
> First I've heard of that. Sounds like you may have gotten a new,
> inexperienced teller. A bank cashing a check drawn by one of their
> depositors is performing a service for their customer, not for you.
I ran into something similar back in '62, in NYC. Deposited my
paycheck in a Chemical Bank branch in the Wall St. area. Got uptown
and realized I was nearly broke. Tried to cash a check at an uptown
bank and got turned down.
Closed out the account Monday. I haven't trusted a bank since.
On 2009-04-18, Bill Noble <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus10355" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2009-04-18, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Apr 18, 6:58?am, Ignoramus14774
>>>
>>>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>>>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>>>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>>>
>>> I would start with a local branch of Well Fargo. If they are not
>>> interested, I would use the internet to find the police in Brooklyn
>>> where the funds were to be sent, and notify them. I would think they
>>> would be interested in anyone in their jurisdiction.
>>
>> I believe that the Brooklyn address means nothing at all. All he wants
>> is the Western Union transfer number to get money, he could be in
>> Nigeria or anywhere else.
>>
>
>
> so, next step, make up a WU transfer number
>
>
Do you have a sample MTCN?
i
On 2009-04-18, Bob Summers <[email protected]> wrote:
> He mailed it to you?! He didn't use FedEx?? That means you can
> call meanest law enforcement officers in the Federal Government!
> The United States of America Postal Inspectors. I've never
> invoked them but I have used the US Mail on occasion so that I
> would have that option. Postal inspectors take mail fraud seriously.
No, he Fedexed it. It was sloppy wording on my part.
i
> Bob S
>
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, Ignoramus14774 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>>money to "his shipper".
>>
>>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>>and mailed me a check.
>>
>>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>
>>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>>microprinting and a watermark.
>>
>>i
"Donald Weber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> i
>
> Ask for ceritfied checks. that should stop the problem
>
>
Nope, they have been forged also.
"RogerN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> RogerN wrote:
>>>> What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should
>>>> be able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my
>>>> debit card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show
>>>> up on my account that day.
>>>>
>>>> RogerN
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is why we shouldn't even be using checks.... ever.
>>>
>>> Especially in front of in line. :-)
>>>
>>
>> No cash either... only debits via scans of embedded chips will keep the
>> criminals away. ;~)
>>
>
> They should be implanted in your right hand or forehead!
In the forehead... that way the retina scan will be able to verify the
identify at the same time. ;~)
On 2009-04-18, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 6:58?am, Ignoramus14774
>
>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>
> I would start with a local branch of Well Fargo. If they are not
> interested, I would use the internet to find the police in Brooklyn
> where the funds were to be sent, and notify them. I would think they
> would be interested in anyone in their jurisdiction.
I believe that the Brooklyn address means nothing at all. All he wants
is the Western Union transfer number to get money, he could be in
Nigeria or anywhere else.
i
On Apr 18, 11:26=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 6:58=A0am, Ignoramus14774
>
> > I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> > about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> > for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> > receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> I would start with a local branch of Well Fargo. =A0If they are not
> interested, I would use the internet to find the police in Brooklyn
> where the funds were to be sent, and notify them. =A0I would think they
> would be interested in anyone in their jurisdiction.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Dan
See Len's answer above.
Why jerk yourself around when the various authorities are in place
and, supposedly, protecting us from this kind of fraud. OR are the all
standing at airport scanners telling people to take off their shoes?
I got a letter and check from some bunch of clowns in Ontario a few
weeks ago. I'm waiting to see if there's any investigation or
crossborder cooperation.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:49:29 GMT, "LD" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Send the check back. Tell him you want the money via Western Union.
My nomination for best damn response!
On Apr 18, 1:58=A0am, Ignoramus14774 <ignoramus14...@NOSPAM.
14774.invalid> wrote:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Take the check and the envelope it came in to the post office and tell
them you want to speak to the postal inspector. Mailing a bad check is
a federal crime. The postal inspectors are real cops, and they DO
collect on this sort of stuff.
Dave Sobel told me that the ONLY ways to pay him are to either put
cash in his hand or mail him a check, for that very reason. He said
that he had great success with the post office cops collecting on bad
checks.
p.
On Apr 20, 6:55=A0pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> > > =A0 At the bank that refused to open an account?
>
> > Pick one you like.
>
> =A0 =A0I tried. =A0The couple bank brancehs on this end of town weren';t
> interested. =A0That is why I stuck with the Credit Union. =A0The VA has n=
o
> problem with direct desposit to my Credit Union and it saves me $5 a
> month in fees.
>
> > > =A0 I used direct deposit at my last job, because that was all they
> > > offered, after the first paycheck.
>
> > It has a lot of advantages, IMHO.
>
> =A0 =A0Yes, you got your pay a day or two early with that company's direc=
t
> deposit
>
> --
> You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
Ours is a couple of days later (Monday vs. Friday) with direct
deposit. It's still easier, particularly since our CU is 1000mi from
here. ;-)
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:43:11 -0400, Gerald Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Dunno about the hew hess of hay but up here in snowland, the issuing
>bank will not cash its own check if you don't have an account there.
>At least this was my experience.
First I've heard of that. Sounds like you may have gotten a new,
inexperienced teller. A bank cashing a check drawn by one of their
depositors is performing a service for their customer, not for you.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
"cavelamb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> this just in - Generalimiso Franko is still dead...
>
> Good day ,
> My name is Edward,I am a United States Citizen from the States
> of Illinois,but i am always away from the US for most parts of the year on
> business.I am a dealer in Used and Accidented automobiles and trucks.What
> i do
> is source for used and accidented cars on auction sales from within the
> united
> states ,buy them after due negotiations and then make payments for them
> for
> onward shipment to their various destinations for resale at a much higher
> profit
> making margin mostly in Europes, and asian where there is a very large and
> growing market for used cars.
> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to make
> the
> payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the destinations where
> they
> are needed,but owing to the nature of my job which demands my having to
> globe
> trot,I need person that can assist me in mailing out the payment by cheque
> to
> my various sellers under my account and also mailing letter out letters.
> I`ll teach the person how to make it out and $500 is the salary for two
> week.
> You will be working two to three hours every three days in a week.
> Please contact me if you are really serious bout this Job.
> Regards,
> Edward.
> God Be with You.
Scary part is that there are people who fall for this. Franko dead?
Really? ;-)
Steve
"sweet sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xg%[email protected]...
>
> ">>>
>>>> No cash either... only debits via scans of embedded chips will keep the
>>>> criminals away. ;~)
>>>>
>>>
>>> They should be implanted in your right hand or forehead!
>>
>> In the forehead... that way the retina scan will be able to verify the
>> identify at the same time. ;~)
>>
>>
> AHHHHHHH!!!!!!! MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!! Yells the devout consertive
> Christian and all his like minded consertive buddies
LOL
He mailed it to you?! He didn't use FedEx?? That means you can
call meanest law enforcement officers in the Federal Government!
The United States of America Postal Inspectors. I've never
invoked them but I have used the US Mail on occasion so that I
would have that option. Postal inspectors take mail fraud seriously.
Bob S
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, Ignoramus14774 <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>money to "his shipper".
>
>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>and mailed me a check.
>
>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>microprinting and a watermark.
>
>i
"Tim Wescott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>
>> i
>
> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
> bounce. What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
> they deduct it from your account.
>
> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller at the
> bank when you cash the check.
>
> --
tim - I can assure you that you are mistaken - I just recently had a check
someone gave me bounce - my bank charged me $10, his bank may have charged
him something also
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:52:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"[email protected]" wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 20, 6:55 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>> >
>> > > > At the bank that refused to open an account?
>> >
>> > > Pick one you like.
>> >
>> > I tried. The couple bank brancehs on this end of town weren';t
>> > interested. That is why I stuck with the Credit Union. The VA has no
>> > problem with direct desposit to my Credit Union and it saves me $5 a
>> > month in fees.
>> >
>> > > > I used direct deposit at my last job, because that was all they
>> > > > offered, after the first paycheck.
>> >
>> > > It has a lot of advantages, IMHO.
>> >
>> > Yes, you got your pay a day or two early with that company's direct
>> > deposit
>> >
>> > --
>> > You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
>>
>> Ours is a couple of days later (Monday vs. Friday) with direct
>> deposit. It's still easier, particularly since our CU is 1000mi from
>> here. ;-)
>
>
> That's still faster than depositing it yourself, and not as tiring.,
>;-)
Prezactly.
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> On 2009-04-18, Tim Wescott <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
>> bounce.
>
> I had quite a few others' checks bounce and my bank did charge me.
>
>> What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
>> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
>> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
>> they deduct it from your account.
>
> That could be.
>
>> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller
>> at the bank when you cash the check.
>
> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was $600):
>
> ``Hello I***,
>
> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
> the
> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>
> *NAME :J**** T****
> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
Take the entire transaction packet to cops or just throw it
away--there's absolutely no point in anything in between. Whether the
local cops can do anything is doubtful 'cuz undoubtedly you're not in
NY. The other choice is the State Atty Gen'l or their fraud squad who
follow this stuff.
This is so rampant it's not possible for them to track them all. Story
on national news just a couple days ago -- the folks in your position
that get used and fall for this can be in a real spot as well -- the
banks definitely will come for the money and if checks are written that
don't clear because they've withdrawn the funds you're responsible, not
the guy who gave you the bum check for those and lots of other bad
consequences.
Getting involved to begin w/ was pretty silly imo...
--
>
> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>
> i
It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
other names and amounts.
Newer check producing technology combats this.
--
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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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-MIKE- wrote:
>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>
>> i
>
> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
> other names and amounts.
>
> Newer check producing technology combats this.
One of my clients was printing checks on an inkjet printer with water
soluble ink. I warned them that this was dangerous and that they should use
a laser or impact printer for checks. They wouldn't listen. One rainy day
I managed to drop my mail in the gutter. It included a check from them.
When I opened the envelope I found that the check was blank except for the
signatures. I took this in and showed it to their CEO and reminded her that
there was well over a million dollars in that account. She ordered a laser
printer right then and there.
FrozenNorth wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>>
>>> i
>> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
>> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
>> other names and amounts.
>>
>> Newer check producing technology combats this.
>
> While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice,
Hmmm, it's worked for years in practice.
Visit any prison to ask how it's done.
> bank
> clearing procedures are going digital, the front and back of the check is
> scanned, then the check is destroyed. Just a digital image is being
> transferred between financial institutions.
>
That would fall under the newer technology I mentioned that combats it.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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FrozenNorth wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
>>>> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
>>>> other names and amounts.
>>>>
>>>> Newer check producing technology combats this.
>>> While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice,
>> Hmmm, it's worked for years in practice.
>> Visit any prison to ask how it's done.
>>
>>
>>> bank
>>> clearing procedures are going digital, the front and back of the check is
>>> scanned, then the check is destroyed. Just a digital image is being
>>> transferred between financial institutions.
>>>
>> That would fall under the newer technology I mentioned that combats it.
>
> Evidence was destroyed, the scanning will not pick up the techniques used
> bt a good check forger.
>
What the heck is your point?
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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"Ignoramus10355" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2009-04-18, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 6:58?am, Ignoramus14774
>>
>>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>>
>> I would start with a local branch of Well Fargo. If they are not
>> interested, I would use the internet to find the police in Brooklyn
>> where the funds were to be sent, and notify them. I would think they
>> would be interested in anyone in their jurisdiction.
>
> I believe that the Brooklyn address means nothing at all. All he wants
> is the Western Union transfer number to get money, he could be in
> Nigeria or anywhere else.
>
so, next step, make up a WU transfer number
Richard W. wrote:
(...)
> The thing to do is if the check is written
> on a bank with a branch in your area, go there and just cash it. If there is
> enough money in the account you get paid. If there isn't enough money in the
> account, you don't get paid.
Except for Washington Mutual, who sometimes refuse to cash checks
drawn on them.
--Winston
--
Don't *faff*, dear.
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>
>> This is a "Wells Fargo" check. I am 100% sure it is fake. Here's the
>> latest email from the "buyer" (the asking price for the item was
>> $600):
>>
>> ``Hello I***,
>>
>> Thank you getting back to me promptly.
>> The reason for the amount $2850 is because of the shipping.
>> You are to deduct the money for the item and send the
>> rest to my shipper through WESTERN UNION and as soon as you send me
>> the
>> necessary information and my shipper picks up the funds.He will pick
>> up the item in a day or two as he will be shipping it with my other
>> items. Send the rest to this person through WESTERN UNION.
>>
>> *NAME :J**** T****
>> ADDRESS :1448 E 58 St
>> Brooklyn, NY 11234*''
>
> Guaranteed scam, the poor slob is Brooklyn is being paid to redirect
> packages elsewhere, probably overseas; odds are he'll end up getting
> burned too. Such scammers are even using very convincing (but fake)
> Postal Money Orders so their victims think there's no way it could be a
> scam, but it is.
>
> I'd take this to the police fraud squad, or if the Postal Service is
> involved to the Postal Inspector. At least they can have the cops in
> Brooklyn alert the re-shipper he is unwittingly being used in a criminal
> enterprise.
Post Office will not be involved. Note how he wanted Western Union to do
the transaction. Mention Post Office and they will tell you "NO!" in a
panic.
One I dealt with wanted to do it in person ?? send a courier. So I
mentioned the Post Office...NO way.
HeyBub wrote:
> Maxwell Lol wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
>>> printer these days.
>>
>> AFAIK You buy the blank checks, and use a special cartridge that is
>> magnetic for the account number. I'm not sure if a laser printer will
>> work.
>
> Banks and clearing house no longer rely on magnetic ink - it's now all
> optical.
Do you have a source for this?
> Some merchants, however, still have magnetic ink scanners and won't
> accept a non-magnetic check (i.e., Sam's Club).
I've never had a merchant use any kind of scanner on a check that I
presented at the counter.
RogerN wrote:
> What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should be
> able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my debit
> card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show up on my
> account that day.
>
> RogerN
>
Which is why we shouldn't even be using checks.... ever.
Especially in front of in line. :-)
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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Maxwell Lol wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>>>>
>>>>> i
>>>> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
>>>> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
>>>> other names and amounts.
>>>>
>>>> Newer check producing technology combats this.
>>> While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice,
>> Hmmm, it's worked for years in practice.
>
> That's why he said "Newer technology combats this"
That's why *I* said that. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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In article <[email protected]>,
Ignoramus10355 <[email protected]> wrote:
:On 2009-04-18, john <[email protected]> wrote:
:> Check with your bank and see if they will do an immediate electronic
:> transfer of funds from the other bank of that check. They may charge a
:> fee but it would tell you right away if the check is bogus.
:
:I already know that the check is bogus. I am not sure what is the
:point to pay anyone to tell me the same thing.
Perhaps you could find a bank in Nigeria that would cash it.
Poetic justice, and all that.
--
Bob Nichols AT comcast.net I am "RNichols42"
In article <[email protected]>,
cavelamb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
>That's the real test.
Extremely bad idea. The check will clear, and 2-3 weeks later, the banks
will realize it was forged. Then they'll come after you to get their money
back.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, Ignoramus14774
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>> money to "his shipper".
>>
>> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>> and mailed me a check.
>>
>> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>>
>> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> Rule #1: You can't defraud an honest man. If you get greedy, that's
> when you get burned - you want to believe.
>
> If it was me, I'd see if there is a branch of the bank the check is
> drawn on anywhere nearby you can go to and cash it directly - and if
> they won't hand you the cash money right now, "that's okay - make a
> copy of the check, and when you are certain that it's good I'll come
> back and we can exchange the original check for the money."
>
> The bank CAN stop a "Cashiers Check" if they claim fraud, so that's
> not an acceptable exchange substitute.
>
> If they do cash it but they take a fee for you being a
> "non-customer" just subtract that from what the guy wants you to send
> to "his shipper." And if it proves to be a fraud, frame it on your
> office wall for a reminder.
>
> Local law enforcement and the local District Atty. CAN do something
> about it, the problem is that first you have to get them out of the
> Donut Shop or Starbucks long enough to do it... ;-)
Everything Bruce says...
I've been told that a deposited check in
your account can still be disputed up to
60 days later. The only thing good is cash
from the issuing bank.
Jedd Haas wrote:
> It seems to me the authorities are not all that interested in these
> scams.
>
> I had someone offer to send me a check, so I gave them the name and
> address of our local US Attorney.
>
> Sure enough, they sent a check for $2,450, (on a $100 item) via UPS
> overnight, and someone signed for it.
>
> Sadly, the AUSA assigned to "criminal" never calls me back or even
> answers his phone.
Did they do anything illegal? Sending you a check for 24.5 times the amount
of the purchase is not in itself a crime. Did you deposit the check? Did
it bounce? If so, _then_ it's time to get "the authorities" involved.
Until that time there's nothing the AUSA can do except wait for something
illegal to happen. If you're calling him asking him to do something when no
provable violation of the law has occurred then you're wasting his time and
yours.
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:22:08 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:
>
>> cavelamb <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to
>>> make the payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the
>>> destinations where they are needed,but owing to the nature of my job
>>> which demands my having to globe trot,I need person that can assist me
>>> in mailing out the payment by cheque to my various sellers under my
>>> account and also mailing letter out letters.
>> Yeah. LOL. Just the other day I wanted to buy an accidented car.
>
> I've already got one :-).
Love the word, if nothing else.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Let the Record show that Ignoramus14774
<[email protected]> on or about Sat, 18 Apr 2009
00:58:35 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>money to "his shipper".
>
>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>and mailed me a check.
>
>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>microprinting and a watermark.
So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
printer these days.
If you suspect it is a forged check, take it to the authorities.
Start with a bank - either the one the check is drawn on, or yours.
Depositing it can cause all sorts of troubles ... for you.
good luck
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
this just in - Generalimiso Franko is still dead...
Good day ,
My name is Edward,I am a United States Citizen from the States
of Illinois,but i am always away from the US for most parts of the year on
business.I am a dealer in Used and Accidented automobiles and trucks.What i do
is source for used and accidented cars on auction sales from within the united
states ,buy them after due negotiations and then make payments for them for
onward shipment to their various destinations for resale at a much higher profit
making margin mostly in Europes, and asian where there is a very large and
growing market for used cars.
At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to make the
payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the destinations where they
are needed,but owing to the nature of my job which demands my having to globe
trot,I need person that can assist me in mailing out the payment by cheque to
my various sellers under my account and also mailing letter out letters.
I`ll teach the person how to make it out and $500 is the salary for two week.
You will be working two to three hours every three days in a week.
Please contact me if you are really serious bout this Job.
Regards,
Edward.
God Be with You.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> > That is a good bank not to have an account with. Some local banks
> > around here refused to open an account for me, since my only income
> > is a monthly VA disability.
>
> Just curious, have you ever considered direct deposit?
At the bank that refused to open an account?
I used direct deposit at my last job, because that was all they
offered, after the first paycheck.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
"Stupendous Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> get a phone number you can call collect.
From a satellite phone.
LOL
JC
In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jedd Haas wrote:
> > It seems to me the authorities are not all that interested in these
> > scams.
> >
> > I had someone offer to send me a check, so I gave them the name and
> > address of our local US Attorney.
> >
> > Sure enough, they sent a check for $2,450, (on a $100 item) via UPS
> > overnight, and someone signed for it.
> >
> > Sadly, the AUSA assigned to "criminal" never calls me back or even
> > answers his phone.
>
> Did they do anything illegal? Sending you a check for 24.5 times the amount
> of the purchase is not in itself a crime. Did you deposit the check? Did
> it bounce? If so, _then_ it's time to get "the authorities" involved.
> Until that time there's nothing the AUSA can do except wait for something
> illegal to happen. If you're calling him asking him to do something when no
> provable violation of the law has occurred then you're wasting his time and
> yours.
They sent a FAKE check to the US Attorney. (Perhaps you should re-read
what I wrote, as you seem to have missed the point.)
Incidentally, the scammer also sent an email asking me to send most of
the check proceeds to someone in Georgia. When I googled her name, I
found a bunch of references to the scam, including this:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=771465
--
Jedd Haas - Artist - New Orleans, LA
http://www.gallerytungsten.com
It seems to me the authorities are not all that interested in these
scams.
I had someone offer to send me a check, so I gave them the name and
address of our local US Attorney.
Sure enough, they sent a check for $2,450, (on a $100 item) via UPS
overnight, and someone signed for it.
Sadly, the AUSA assigned to "criminal" never calls me back or even
answers his phone.
--
Jedd Haas - Artist - New Orleans, LA
http://www.gallerytungsten.com
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, the renowned Ignoramus14774
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>money to "his shipper".
>
>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>and mailed me a check.
>
>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>microprinting and a watermark.
>
>i
I'd be interested in seeing a really high quality scan of it (black
out any info you don't want made public, of course).
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
That's the real test.
If it clears? Maybe you should ship something to him?
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus10355
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2009-04-18, Bob Summers <[email protected]> wrote:
>> He mailed it to you?! He didn't use FedEx?? That means you can
>> call meanest law enforcement officers in the Federal Government!
>> The United States of America Postal Inspectors. I've never
>> invoked them but I have used the US Mail on occasion so that I
>> would have that option. Postal inspectors take mail fraud seriously.
>
>No, he Fedexed it. It was sloppy wording on my part.
Oh, this whole thing just screams fraud.
If nothing else, call the bank/company that the "check" is written
on, if they have the real account numbers and routing codes off a
stolen check they *might* want to close that account and open another
- because the scammers WILL try again, and again, and again...
If you want some fun, try baiting them along for a while. /You/
piss in /their/ Wheaties for a change. Invent a cockamamie story
about how "the check never got here" or "The neighbors signed for the
package and stole it themselves, stop that check and send me
another..." and get them to re-send it USPS. Then you can let loose
the Postal Inspectors on them.
--<< Bruce >>--
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:45:33 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>HeyBub wrote:
>> Maxwell Lol wrote:
>>> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
>>>> printer these days.
>>>
>>> AFAIK You buy the blank checks, and use a special cartridge that is
>>> magnetic for the account number. I'm not sure if a laser printer will
>>> work.
>>
>> Banks and clearing house no longer rely on magnetic ink - it's now all
>> optical.
>
>Do you have a source for this?
>
>> Some merchants, however, still have magnetic ink scanners and won't
>> accept a non-magnetic check (i.e., Sam's Club).
>
>I've never had a merchant use any kind of scanner on a check that I
>presented at the counter.
You've never had them scan a check then hand it back to you? Checks
are often converted to EFTs now (have been for *years*). Some simply
destroy the check (perhaps so you don't get upset) while others will
hand it back for you to destroy. The wonders of modern banking. :-(
Ignoramus14774 wrote:
> I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
Check with your bank and see if they will do an immediate electronic
transfer of funds from the other bank of that check. They may charge a
fee but it would tell you right away if the check is bogus. I have done
that in the past to insure that the check was legit. The banking rules
in each state are different and in some states you can even stop a
certified check or bank check but better have a good reason.
John
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>
>> i
>
> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
> other names and amounts.
>
> Newer check producing technology combats this.
While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice, bank
clearing procedures are going digital, the front and back of the check is
scanned, then the check is destroyed. Just a digital image is being
transferred between financial institutions.
--
Froz...
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:30:31 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:27 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, so the check may be stolen, that would explain it.
>>>>
>>>> i
>>> It's very common for criminals to get their hands on checks with valid
>>> signatures, bleach out the "pay to" and "amount" sections and write in
>>> other names and amounts.
>>>
>>> Newer check producing technology combats this.
>>
>> While that is true in theory, it doesn't work out in practice,
>
> Hmmm, it's worked for years in practice.
> Visit any prison to ask how it's done.
>
>
>> bank
>> clearing procedures are going digital, the front and back of the check is
>> scanned, then the check is destroyed. Just a digital image is being
>> transferred between financial institutions.
>>
>
> That would fall under the newer technology I mentioned that combats it.
Evidence was destroyed, the scanning will not pick up the techniques used
bt a good check forger.
--
Froz...
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:54:26 -0700, "Richard W." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Bill Noble" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Tim Wescott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:05:53 -0500, Ignoramus14774 wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> i
>>>
>>> I don't believe that you get bounced check charges unless _your_ checks
>>> bounce. What _does_ happen is that the bank has to (by fed. law) say
>>> that the check has "cleared" in three days even if they don't have the
>>> money in hand. Later on, when it becomes clear they won't get the money,
>>> they deduct it from your account.
>>>
>>> But don't believe me ('cause I may be wrong!) -- go ask the teller at the
>>> bank when you cash the check.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> tim - I can assure you that you are mistaken - I just recently had a check
>> someone gave me bounce - my bank charged me $10, his bank may have charged
>> him something also
>>
>
>That's right, my wife had her paycheck bounce and we were charged $27.00.
>You get charged if you bounce a check or someone give you a bad check and
>you deposit it in your account. The thing to do is if the check is written
>on a bank with a branch in your area, go there and just cash it. If there is
>enough money in the account you get paid. If there isn't enough money in the
>account, you don't get paid.
>
>Richard W.
>
Dunno about the hew hess of hay but up here in snowland, the issuing
bank will not cash its own check if you don't have an account there.
At least this was my experience.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:01:31 -0500, cavelamb <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Deposit it in your bank and wait for it to clear.
>That's the real test.
>
>If it clears? Maybe you should ship something to him?
Don't those scams typically involve a "Cashiers" or otherwise
certified check or money order? I'd estimate the probability of it
being a scam somewhere in excess of 99.99%.
Assuming:
a) I had any idea that the transaction might be satisfactorily
completed (< 0.01% probability),
b) there was no other potential buyer anywhere in sight, and
c) I was desperate to rid myself of the item
Then I'd:
Notify the seller that I would not accept a check and would ship only
after my bank notified me that a wire transfer of funds had been
received and if he wished me to make any payments to 3rd parties, my
fee for the fiduciary service is 10% of the purchase price for each
payment made.
I did that once just for the fun of it when some guy wanted me to ship
a 100# propane tank from Kansas to England. Apparently he didn't see
the humor in it since he never replied to my note.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:58:35 -0500, Ignoramus14774
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
>mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
>of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
>rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
>money to "his shipper".
>
>So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
>and mailed me a check.
>
>I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
>about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
>for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
>receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
>My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
>microprinting and a watermark.
Rule #1: You can't defraud an honest man. If you get greedy, that's
when you get burned - you want to believe.
If it was me, I'd see if there is a branch of the bank the check is
drawn on anywhere nearby you can go to and cash it directly - and if
they won't hand you the cash money right now, "that's okay - make a
copy of the check, and when you are certain that it's good I'll come
back and we can exchange the original check for the money."
The bank CAN stop a "Cashiers Check" if they claim fraud, so that's
not an acceptable exchange substitute.
If they do cash it but they take a fee for you being a
"non-customer" just subtract that from what the guy wants you to send
to "his shipper." And if it proves to be a fraud, frame it on your
office wall for a reminder.
Local law enforcement and the local District Atty. CAN do something
about it, the problem is that first you have to get them out of the
Donut Shop or Starbucks long enough to do it... ;-)
--<< Bruce >>--
SteveB wrote:
>
> "cavelamb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> this just in - Generalimiso Franko is still dead...
>>
>> Good day ,
>> My name is Edward,I am a United States Citizen from the States
>> of Illinois,but i am always away from the US for most parts of the year
>> on business.I am a dealer in Used and Accidented automobiles and
>> trucks.What i do
>> is source for used and accidented cars on auction sales from within the
>> united
... snip
>> Regards,
>> Edward.
>> God Be with You.
>
> Scary part is that there are people who fall for this.
Yeah, even with that bit about "accidented cars". Please tell me that
people aren't *that* stupid.
> Franko dead?
> Really? ;-)
>
> Steve
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
DGDevin wrote:
> Richard W. wrote:
>
>> That's right, my wife had her paycheck bounce and we were charged
>> $27.00. You get charged if you bounce a check or someone give you a
>> bad check and you deposit it in your account. The thing to do is if
>> the check is written on a bank with a branch in your area, go there
>> and just cash it. If there is enough money in the account you get
>> paid. If there isn't enough money in the account, you don't get paid.
>>
>> Richard W.
>
> You can also try to cash a check more than once, provided there is no
> fee for you to pay if it won't clear that can be worthwhile to try. Some
> banks will even hold the check for you and clear it if enough
> money is deposited to the account.
You can ask how much money is required to be deposited in the account to
make the check good. The bank won't tell you, of course. So deposit one
dollar into the subject account, then try to cash the check again. After you
do this about 30 times, an officer will come over and, er, "assist" you.
">>>
>>> No cash either... only debits via scans of embedded chips will keep the
>>> criminals away. ;~)
>>>
>>
>> They should be implanted in your right hand or forehead!
>
> In the forehead... that way the retina scan will be able to verify the
> identify at the same time. ;~)
>
>
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!! MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!! Yells the devout consertive
Christian and all his like minded consertive buddies
>
Maxwell Lol wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> So what? It is amazing what you can do with a good quality
>> printer these days.
>
> AFAIK You buy the blank checks, and use a special cartridge that is
> magnetic for the account number. I'm not sure if a laser printer will
> work.
Banks and clearing house no longer rely on magnetic ink - it's now all
optical.
Some merchants, however, still have magnetic ink scanners and won't accept a
non-magnetic check (i.e., Sam's Club).
> cavelamb <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to make
>> the
>> payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the destinations
>> where they
>> are needed,but owing to the nature of my job which demands my having to
>> globe
>> trot,I need person that can assist me in mailing out the payment by
>> cheque to
>> my various sellers under my account and also mailing letter out letters.
I never knew the market for accidented cars was so big. I have a better
suggestion. We pool our money, buy some accidented cars to sell at big
profit in Europe, then split the profits. I'll handle all the paperwork, so
just send me $250 each so we can get started buying accidented cars. Be
sure to give me your correct return address so I can send you the profits
once they are sold.
Gerald Miller wrote:
>
> Dunno about the hew hess of hay but up here in snowland, the issuing
> bank will not cash its own check if you don't have an account there.
> At least this was my experience.
That is a good bank not to have an account with. Some local banks
around here refused to open an account for me, since my only income is a
monthly VA disability. They were sure I would bounce checks like crazy
on that small income. So I left my money in the Credit Union across
town, where I've had an account since '97 and never bounced a check.
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
What seems annoying to me is that with today's technology, banks should be
able to verify a check and instantly transfer funds. I can use my debit
card at a store, get approved in a couple of seconds, and it show up on my
account that day.
RogerN
"Ignoramus14774" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am holding in my hands a forged check that a Craigslist scammer
> mailed me. This guy has been spamming me incessantly about all sorts
> of stuff that I listed. He did not even remember that I always would
> rudely decline his offers to send me extra money and have me wire
> money to "his shipper".
>
> So finally I caved in and in response to one posting, he contacted me
> and mailed me a check.
>
> I have no doubt that it is forged, however, what I really am curious
> about is whether maybe I should talk to some authorities, like police
> for example. Have those crooks perfected a police-proof method of
> receiving stolen money? Or you think no one will care?
>
> My curiosity was also piqued by the fact that the check indeed had
> microprinting and a watermark.
>
> i
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:22:08 -0400, Maxwell Lol wrote:
> cavelamb <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> At the moment i have about 2000 accidented cars that i need need to
>> make the payments for before the cars can be shipped over to the
>> destinations where they are needed,but owing to the nature of my job
>> which demands my having to globe trot,I need person that can assist me
>> in mailing out the payment by cheque to my various sellers under my
>> account and also mailing letter out letters.
>
> Yeah. LOL. Just the other day I wanted to buy an accidented car.
I've already got one :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw