RH

Rob H.

12/09/2013 1:04 AM

What is it? Set 510

I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/

The larger images can also be seen here:

http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6


Rob


This topic has 26 replies

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woodchucker

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 4:30 PM

On 9/12/2013 1:32 PM, Erik wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> The larger images can also be seen here:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2973: I'm pretty sure is soft face replaceable head mallet... but the
> soft face material of the head facing the camera has broken off leaving
> only it's screw in mounting stud.
>
> Erik
>
I was thinking it was for adjusting the weight of the head. Add shot and
you can make it heavier.. not sure why you would.

--
Jeff

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 2:01 PM

The piano tuner my parents hired had these, but the tips were fibrous.

.
Christopher A. Young
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.

On 9/12/2013 12:35 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> 2975. Made of metal and rubber:
>>>
>>> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
>>> for a note, so they hear only one at a time
>>
>> Yes. They're called wedge mutes.
>
>
> Excellent! Thanks for providing the name, I found some good references for them
> on
> the web.
>

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

13/09/2013 8:58 AM

I also remember seeing felt on the hammers.
I wonder if rubber lasts longer for the mutes?
I asked a piano tuner, but could not hear
his answer. I guess it's a mute point.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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.

On 9/12/2013 2:13 PM, Marc Dashevsky wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> The piano tuner my parents hired had these, but the tips were fibrous.
>
> I believe they used felt similar to that used on piano hammers.
>
>> On 9/12/2013 12:35 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> 2975. Made of metal and rubber:
>>>>>
>>>>> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
>>>>> for a note, so they hear only one at a time
>>>>
>>>> Yes. They're called wedge mutes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Excellent! Thanks for providing the name, I found some good references for them
>>> on
>>> the web.
>>>
>
>

Sc

Sonny

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 6:15 PM

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:04:54 AM UTC-5, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set: http://55tools.blogspot.=
com/ The larger images can also be seen here: http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6 Rob

2971 seems to be some sort of quick release "clamp" and the shape of the cl=
amping faces seems might fit onto something like a spare tire or some bevel=
ed (center?) surface. The end of the threaded rod would attach the unit to=
the vehicle, trailer or some other transport.

Or for some other similar clamping of two halves, of something, together? =
For pressing of some two units together, yet able to be quickly released?

Sonny

MF

Mark F

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

14/09/2013 2:29 PM

On 13 Sep 2013 14:26:57 -0700, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote
in part:
> Just posted the answers for this set, still not sure about the saw but I'm
> confident in the rest of them:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/09/set-510.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
For 2974 you say in part:
"The mason who produced this tool hated to lose mortar when
connecting two cinder blocks. Too often the mortar fell into the
holes in the block and could not be retrieved. This tool was made to
be positioned on top of a block, the mortar was then placed on the
block, next the tool was removed, and another cinder block placed on
top."
Does stopping the mortar falling in weaken the wall significantly?
It seems like the mortar that falls in and remains connected to the
main mass of mortar will provide some stability to sideways movement,
and sticking to the inside of the block also increase strength under
tension. (In other words, I think that sloppy work can increase the
strength of the wall, perhaps significantly.)

MD

Marc Dashevsky

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 10:06 AM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 12 Sep 2013 in rec.woodworking, Rob H. wrote:
>
> > I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
> >
> > http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> 2975. Made of metal and rubber:
>
> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
> for a note, so they hear only one at a time

Yes. They're called wedge mutes.

MD

Marc Dashevsky

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 1:13 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> The piano tuner my parents hired had these, but the tips were fibrous.

I believe they used felt similar to that used on piano hammers.

> .
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> On 9/12/2013 12:35 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> >>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>> 2975. Made of metal and rubber:
> >>>
> >>> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
> >>> for a note, so they hear only one at a time
> >>
> >> Yes. They're called wedge mutes.
> >
> >
> > Excellent! Thanks for providing the name, I found some good references for them
> > on
> > the web.
> >

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 10:50 AM

Posting from my desk top PC, as always.

2971, no clue.
2972, That one's going to give me nightmares.
2973, no clue beyond the obvious. Ball peen.
2974. No clue.
2975, hands for a big clock?
2976, no clue.

Well, you got me. Didn't recognize any of them.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/12/2013 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> The larger images can also be seen here:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>
>
> Rob
>

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 6:21 AM

Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2974 - a cheese curd draining tray?

2975 - I've seen these before... I think several are used at once for
adjusting and holding the gap around something (large glazing?) while
fastening the item in place. I cannot remember why they have steel
handles, though.

2976 - I think the blade has been mounted upside-down on it. It looks
like a one-man saw with a means to pull the blade tight to the tree trunk
without requiring a lot of leverage on the part of the user.

JM

Joe Makowiec

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 2:50 PM

On 12 Sep 2013 in rec.woodworking, Rob H. wrote:

> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

2975. Made of metal and rubber:

Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
for a note, so they hear only one at a time

--
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http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
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LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 10:20 AM

Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of
> strings for a note, so they hear only one at a time

YES! I knew I'd seen those in use! I had a piano tuner guy right up the
street from me when I got my first house.

That's IT!

Lloyd

Lr

Larry

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

13/09/2013 12:34 AM

Erik <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> The larger images can also be seen here:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2973: I'm pretty sure is soft face replaceable head
> mallet... but the soft face material of the head facing the
> camera has broken off leaving only it's screw in mounting
> stud.
>
> Erik

I agree. That was my guess also.

Larry

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

14/09/2013 4:32 PM

Mark F <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> Does stopping the mortar falling in weaken the wall significantly?
> It seems like the mortar that falls in and remains connected to the
> main mass of mortar will provide some stability to sideways movement,
> and sticking to the inside of the block also increase strength under
> tension. (In other words, I think that sloppy work can increase the
> strength of the wall, perhaps significantly.)

Not much.

The hollow cavity concrete block is a relatively recent creation in
building supplies. By the time it was in common use, there were already
in place building regulations requiring poured columns and re-bar for
strengthening structures laterally.

In addition, most of the mortar that falls over the edge just falls all
the way to the bottom of the column. What remains on the lower block
"keys" on the insides when the upper block is mushed down onto it and
seated true.

When this fellow invented the aid, he must've not been a very experienced
BLOCK mason (may have been a spectacular brick or stone mason), because
the block masons I've worked with hardly spill a teaspoonful inside,
until the upper block is placed. By then, you've got to take off the
shield...

Add to that, that a lot of masons 'butter' the upper block, rather than
mounding mortar up on the lower one. It's easier because they can
position it at will, rather than having to deal with the position it's in
on the wall.

The last really good block mason in north central Florida died a few
years back... Ben Fitts... He wasn't even 'technically' a block mason,
but a concrete contractor, but he could do magic with block. He was a
wonderful OLD black fellow, who at 80 could break a 6-foot man in two
with three fingers. He always told his men, "If you do your job, I'll
call you 'sir'. If I ever stop calling you 'sir', you're in trouble."

Now, all we have for that work are itinerant crews of very young Mexican
men, who work their asses off, but they're not great masons. Haven't
seen a plumb, square wall in years...

I've nothing against them; these crews just aren't very good masons. The
very best drywall mechanic I ever saw was a 25-year-old Mexican fellow
who could do a whole 1200sq.ft. house, hung and first-coat taped in two
days; four days to completely finished, and -- ALONE! (and when he was
done and it was primed, you couldn't see a joint, anywhere!


Lloyd

Wc

"WW"

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 8:24 AM



"Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...

I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/

The larger images can also be seen here:

http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6


Rob

2972 Meat tenderizer? WW

js

jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@[email protected]>

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

14/09/2013 11:05 AM



Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> Some of those old time people were totally clever. Sadly,
> our modern generation can't do these things. Kids these
> days.....
>
Do you think they don't make dead blow mallets with
replaceable tips anymore.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dead+blow+mallet+replaceable+tip

AT

Alexander Thesoso

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 6:07 AM

2972 My only plausible guess is that this is an ice crusher. To
convert an ice-cube to crushed ice in a bar environment.

On 9/12/2013 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> The larger images can also be seen here:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>
>
> Rob
>

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 9:24 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>
>2972 My only plausible guess is that this is an ice crusher. To
>convert an ice-cube to crushed ice in a bar environment.


Nope, that's not it

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 9:27 AM


>2974 - a cheese curd draining tray?


This one is not food related



>2976 - I think the blade has been mounted upside-down on it. It looks
>like a one-man saw with a means to pull the blade tight to the tree trunk
>without requiring a lot of leverage on the part of the user.


I agree that the blade is upside down, I thought it might be for underbucking
but
your suggestion sounds good too.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 9:33 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Joe Makowiec
says...
>
>On 12 Sep 2013 in rec.woodworking, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>2975. Made of metal and rubber:
>
>Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
>for a note, so they hear only one at a time


Thanks! I didn't have an answer for this one.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 9:35 AM

>> > http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> 2975. Made of metal and rubber:
>>
>> Used by piano tuners to damp a portion of the strings in a set of strings
>> for a note, so they hear only one at a time
>
>Yes. They're called wedge mutes.


Excellent! Thanks for providing the name, I found some good references for them
on
the web.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 10:10 AM

>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>The larger images can also be seen here:
>
>http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>
>
>Rob
>
>2972 Meat tenderizer? WW


Nope, it's not for use on meat

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

13/09/2013 11:20 AM

On 9/13/2013 8:58 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I also remember seeing felt on the hammers.
> I wonder if rubber lasts longer for the mutes?

That's like asking whether a transmission will last longer than a
carburetor.


> .
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

13/09/2013 2:26 PM


>2973: I'm pretty sure is soft face replaceable head mallet... but the
>soft face material of the head facing the camera has broken off leaving
>only it's screw in mounting stud.
>
>Erik


I couldn't find the exact same hammer on the web but I'm almost certain that
this
is correct.

Just posted the answers for this set, still not sure about the saw but I'm
confident in the rest of them:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/09/set-510.html#answers


Rob

DN

"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

13/09/2013 1:28 AM

On 2013-09-12, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> The larger images can also be seen here:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6

Aha! I was looking for it as a note on the blog site before I
got to the usenet posting. Thanks.

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always. Which of the
three newsgroups are the rest of you posting from?

2971) Two possibilities, depending on the size and the hidden
details of the linkage.

a) To pull two objects together with features shaped to
fit the trapezoidal wedge shapes. (Not very strong,
though, based on the apparent thickness of the metal in
the shapes.)

b) They sort of look like the profile of some styles of
house gutter -- so perhaps a tool to help in shaping and
attaching the ends to some of the continuous formed
gutters (made from a roll by a pickup truck-mounted
machine.

2972) Assuming that the needles are lose in holes in the brass
cylinder, it could be a cartridge for a needle scaler, usually
fitted to an air chisel type hammer, and used to remove
welding scale from freshly welded joints.

Those that I have seen, however, tended to include the shank
which fits into the air chisel.

2973) A hammer with a hard head (facing away) and the provisions for
a soft head. The part which unscrews is case into a head made
of a plastic or rubber (plastic is usually a transparent yellow,
rubber I've seen in black, green, and red), or lead.

Once cast, the head is screwed into the hammer head for use,
until it gets too worn from use, at which point the steel core
screw is recovered and a new head is cast around it -- or a new
head is purchased and screwed in. The casting form of repair is
more likely in the lead format. And for that, there is a
missing piece -- a mold which closes around the threaded part,
and shapes the lead as it is poured in.

2974) For forming decorative patterns on walls or fences. Either

a) It is pressed repeatly into still fresh concrete or
stucco to make the pattern (keying the last shape at one
end into the first shape at the other end).

b) It is used as a stencil for spraying a contrasting paint
around the pattern -- probably with the wire side away
from the surface being painted, and the angle is
adjusted so there are no shadows of the wires left in the
painted surface.

2975) Perhaps for cleaning holes in lab glassware, or in cast metal
tools which allow airflow or something similar (e.g. a spray
paint gun.) Hmm ... a bit large for the latter use, I think.

2976) Hmm ... no springs visible, just a rope and pulleys.

The teeth look to be for bi-directional wood sawing for green
limbs.

If there were a spring forcing the two jaws apart, I could see
it being placed between the piece to be cut and another limb,
and the spring provides the force to hold the teeth in contact
with the workpiece.

Or -- if the toothed edge were rotated to face *towards* the
other jaw, the rope could be pulled tight to keep the teeth
forced into a piece of wood held between the jaws.

Now to post and then see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Erik

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

12/09/2013 10:32 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:

> I need some help with 2971 and 2976 in this set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> The larger images can also be seen here:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/SMMZ6
>
>
> Rob

2973: I'm pretty sure is soft face replaceable head mallet... but the
soft face material of the head facing the camera has broken off leaving
only it's screw in mounting stud.

Erik

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 12/09/2013 1:04 AM

14/09/2013 9:51 AM

Some of those old time people were totally clever. Sadly,
our modern generation can't do these things. Kids these
days.....

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 9/13/2013 5:26 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2973: I'm pretty sure is soft face replaceable head mallet... but the
>> soft face material of the head facing the camera has broken off leaving
>> only it's screw in mounting stud.
>>
>> Erik
>
>
> I couldn't find the exact same hammer on the web but I'm almost certain that
> this
> is correct.
>
> Just posted the answers for this set, still not sure about the saw but I'm
> confident in the rest of them:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/09/set-510.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
>


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