Dear All,
Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
little cherry clock with ammonia.
Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
ever will in just a few days of exposure.
I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
David.
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>>please define "de-glam".
>
>
> Jeez, aw hell, and here you are the guy that busted open the
> whole thing wide open. Exposed the guy and everything.
I'm no Geraldo.
>>I'm more likely to be buying Neander tools from now on...got most of the
>>larger stuff now. Sure wish I was in the market for the new 735 planer
>>though--saw it running yesterday and liked it very much.
>
>
> So you're kinda getting wishy-washy on the whole stupid
> neander thing?...
yeah, I may get my chance to rhapsodize about the transcendental bliss
of shaving a wispy (or was it cottony?)...ah it was Chuck who deserves
the credit for, " A full-width, translucent, cottony-soft shaving, and a
surface that was noticeably smoother and shinier than any of the
others." It WAS hard to hold back the wallet whilst eyeing the goods at
the Lie-Nielsen booth yesterday. But I'm gonna start with a Veritas, if
it's all the same to you L-N'ers out there. Gotta spread those
buckaroos around where they do the most good.
>>the portion of this thread dealing with personality conflict is over, as
>>far as I'm concerned. dave detests David and David detests Dave.
>
>
> Sounds to me like its alive and well but I not being you...
"IT" IS not alive; sorry.
>>the rest of the crowd just hangs around to watch the action. sorry
>>folks, action's over, as I've no more time for this than I'm sure he does.
>
>
> Like I said. Sure looks to me like a meaty bit or two
> flailing about.
>
>
>>(you can all go home now folks; show's over)
>
>
> If it was only true.
Maybe another day. Not today.
dave
>
> Guess what I have gotten myself into? I am helping a friend teach a
> woodworking extension course at a local high school in the evening. The
> interesting part, the instructor is female, and so is the entire class!
Yeah, life sucks don't it? You're spending your time with exotic Canadian
women. I'm spending my time painting my daughter's room 2 different shades
of pink. I actually had to go into the paint store and ask for a gallon of
"Little Girl". She (three years old and 1 month) wanted to help paint her
room so now I have pink all over my Carhart overalls.
What about a certain girl-at-the-beach-next-to-the-Ranger?
Guess what I've gotten myself into? I was all set to spend the winter
making a new bed and dressser with some tasty walnut.
My wife told me that I have until the end of May to make a new cradle.
Mon, Nov 3, 2003, 2:48am (EST+5) [email protected] (PM6564)
says:
<snip> My wife told me that I have until the end of May to make a new
cradle.
Talk her into making a rocking chair instead, you'll get a lot more
use out of it.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
the color looks good, so does the clock. original design?
David F. Eisan wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
> little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
> I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
> darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
> ever will in just a few days of exposure.
>
> I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>
>
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:12:42 -0800, "grampa simpson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Can you post the technique on using ferrous sulphate??
I don't have a "technique", I'm still trying to get it right.
Sometimes it works, more often it turns the whole surface a muddy
grey.
I got the idea from "Classic Wood Finishing" by George Frank
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806970634/codesmiths-20>
This is the best guide to real French-style French polishing I've ever
read, and worth getting for that alone.
Most of the book is about colouring wood. Frank did a lot of
experimenting, and illustrates many of the results (lots of colour
pictures in this book). However he doesn't always describe the
process, and his chemical knowledge is frequently inaccurate. He's
the only ebeniste I've seen who could do much useful with logwood
though, let alone the infamously unstable alkanet root.
The birdseye maple is just there as an illustration. The process is to
make the surface moist and highly alkaline with caustic soda (lye),
then apply a solution of ferrous sulphate. My experience is that you
need to be quick with this, and have a reasonably strong solution. The
colouring is most effective around the "end grain" of the curl and
eyes, and you need to get the whole thing coloured and neutralised
before the whole piece of timber starts to turn grain, long grain too.
Slowness or excess dilution allows the whole piece to turn pale grey.
I keep lots of assorted ferrous salts around for doing copper
patination, including ferrous sulphate. Ferrous salts are cheap and of
low hazard, so they're quite easy to get hold of (there is no problem
in only commercial labs using them). If you can't find a retail
chemical supplier locally, try asking school chemistry teachers where
they shop.
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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> I don't post pictures every time I turn around nor expect everyone here
> to await the next promised batch of "must watch jpegs" with unbridled
> excitement. Get a life.
It seems you've allocated some special time to embarrass yourself in public
again Dave.
David Eisan has been a wealth of information over the years, helping others
and explaining what he learns along the way. He posts and maintains the FAQ
on behalf of the wreck, he doesn't attack or belittle others, he adds value
by providing pictures of techniques he is trying and generating discussion.
In short, he is and always has been a valued contributor. Since this bothers
you, what exactly do you think participation in the wreck is about?
Greg
Being subtle only works for people with a clue. ;-)
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WebsterSteve wrote:
> http://musial.ws/fuming.htm
Great page...thanks!
Has anyone fumed maple? My BIL was considering staining his current
maple project, but decided to use amber shellac instead - due to poor
consistency with some stain samples.
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are you up early or are you back east and up at a civilized hour this
fine Sunday? :)
dave
Tom Watson wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:37:51 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> "But Santiago's problems were far from over; he was still a day's
> journey from land, and he knew that the fish's blood would attract
> sharks. "
>
>
In article <M%1pb.155052$3f.96626
@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, [email protected]
says...
> Keef,
>
> > sigh...
>
> Ayup.
>
>
>
> On another note, wait until you see the pictures of the motherload of all
> trade in's. I am buying two massive shops at work to trade in on downsized
> new equipment (two prisions ww'ing shops closed, new smaller outsourced shop
> being built).
Did I read the above right, there are two prisons closing down WW
shops and outsourcing the work? There's a new one, prisoners
outsourcing their work. :-)
> Things like General 12" jointer, 24" planer, floor model
> mortiser (like a Yates), knobless dust door cast iron based Canukastani made
> Unisaurs, Crescent/Delta 20" bandsaws, 16" Wadkin TS's, lathes, radio alarm
> saws, the list goes on and on.
>
> Uniqueasaur.
>
>
>
Mark & Juanita asks:
>
> Did I read the above right, there are two prisons closing down WW
>shops and outsourcing the work? There's a new one, prisoners
>outsourcing their work. :-)
Hey, be nice. If the Army can outsource its beanies to China, why can't
prisons? Next up: license plates in Chinese characters.
Charlie Self
"Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The
conduct of public affairs for private advantage. " Ambrose Bierce
On 03 Nov 2003 01:37:50 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Mark & Juanita asks:
>
>>
>> Did I read the above right, there are two prisons closing down WW
>>shops and outsourcing the work? There's a new one, prisoners
>>outsourcing their work. :-)
>
>Hey, be nice. If the Army can outsource its beanies to China, why can't
>prisons? Next up: license plates in Chinese characters.
I still feel that the Arizona warden had the right idea with
the tent prison. NOBODY wants to go back THERE! It also saves
the multi-billion dollar cost of cement prison buildings and
multi-million dollar entertainment/workout/libraries for each
building. Win/win, wot?
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:27:00 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I still feel that the Arizona warden had the right idea with
> the tent prison. NOBODY wants to go back THERE! It also saves
> the multi-billion dollar cost of cement prison buildings and
> multi-million dollar entertainment/workout/libraries for each
> building. Win/win, wot?
'Tis the Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpio. Several years ago, a
reporter was asking him what he thought about the poor inmates in the
tents when it was 115 degrees outside. He said it was probably 125 inside
the tents so being outside wasn't so bad. He says he doesn't run a
correctional facility - he runs a jail.
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:44:08 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 20:27:00 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> I still feel that the Arizona warden had the right idea with
>> the tent prison. NOBODY wants to go back THERE! It also saves
>> the multi-billion dollar cost of cement prison buildings and
>> multi-million dollar entertainment/workout/libraries for each
>> building. Win/win, wot?
>
>'Tis the Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpio. Several years ago, a
Yeah, that's the guy. All those Zonies look alike, so...
<bseg>
>reporter was asking him what he thought about the poor inmates in the
>tents when it was 115 degrees outside. He said it was probably 125 inside
>the tents so being outside wasn't so bad. He says he doesn't run a
>correctional facility - he runs a jail.
I love it. And no $4mil legal library to taunt the courts from,
all the hard work they can handle. Hell, in the big cities, people
are committing crimes to get off the street into air-conditioned
luxury. What has our society come to when the criminals are in
better quarters than their guards (homes) and the Tennessee cops
miss 27 out of 28 shots at a guy who wants a "suicide by cop"
death?
-----
In Knoxville, Tenn., in September, Thomas Martin McGouey, 51,
apparently set on committing suicide, left a note and painted a
bull's-eye on his body before arranging a standoff in which he pointed
a gun at police officers so they would kill him in self-defense.
McGouey's scheme failed because Knox County sheriff's deputies, who
fired 28 shots at him, missed with 27 and only grazed his shoulder
with the other. [Knoxville News-Sentinel, 9-19-03]
-----
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:05:20 GMT, Chris Merrill
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Has anyone fumed maple?
No, but I have used ferrous sulphate to try and bring out birds eye
figure, and I'm currently experimenting with nitric acid / ferric
nitrate stains and heat (18th century gunsmithing techniques).
Logwood dye on maple is nice. Comes out silver grey and looks nothing
like maple, but it's a nice '30s style decorative highlight on a
light-coloured piece.
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JEEEEZZZ!! ... It was NOT about BAD, or anything to do with BAD!!
It was A ***FRIENDLY** JOKE (maybe lame, but an attempted pun nonetheless),
about your keyboard ribbon being fumed to white, David ... ever see a ribbon
on a computer keyboard?
Get your shorts out of a twist. BAD has got you seeing bad in everyone.
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"David F. Eisan" wrote in message
> Hello,
>
> > > > All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
>
> > > I am just doing what my mother taught me, and Dave should learn the
> same.
>
> > I was referring to the fact that you posted two messages in a row with
no
> > content, IOW they were BLANK messages.
> >
> > Nuttin' to do with BAD.
>
> Everything to do with BAD. If you don't have anything good to say about
> something/someone, don't say anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
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>
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I don't post pictures every time I turn around nor expect everyone here
> to await the next promised batch of "must watch jpegs" with unbridled
> excitement. Get a life.
We understand. Afterall, how can you center the picture with your head so
far up your ass?
I don't post pictures every time I turn around nor expect everyone here
to await the next promised batch of "must watch jpegs" with unbridled
excitement. Get a life.
dave
Groggy wrote:
> Whassa matter Dave - this thread not about you?
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>You'll keep us posted???
>>
>>I wait with baited breath...
>>
>>
>>NOT!
>
>
>
Hemmingway must be spinning in his grave to have the noble Santiago
associated with the Tail Gunner. Personally, I see him more as Shelly's
Ozymandias. Loud, brash, and, ultimately, a tragic and pitiable figure.
"Mo' Sawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> Being subtle only works for people with a clue. ;-)
Cluetoken ain't a town in the Ozarks y'know
I was referring to the fact that you posted two messages in a row with no
content, IOW they were BLANK messages.
Nuttin' to do with BAD.
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"David F. Eisan" wrote in message
> Hello,
>
> > All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
>
> I am just doing what my mother taught me, and Dave should learn the same.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
if that's your story, and you are obviously sticking to it, how come the
bullsh*t message about all I ever post is "what to buy"? you are so
full of it!
David F. Eisan wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>>>>All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
>
>
>>>I am just doing what my mother taught me, and Dave should learn the
>
> same.
>
>
>>I was referring to the fact that you posted two messages in a row with no
>>content, IOW they were BLANK messages.
>>
>>Nuttin' to do with BAD.
>
>
> Everything to do with BAD. If you don't have anything good to say about
> something/someone, don't say anything at all.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>
>
please define "de-glam".
I'm more likely to be buying Neander tools from now on...got most of the
larger stuff now. Sure wish I was in the market for the new 735 planer
though--saw it running yesterday and liked it very much.
the portion of this thread dealing with personality conflict is over, as
far as I'm concerned. dave detests David and David detests Dave. works
for me, and works for him. the rest of the crowd just hangs around to
watch the action. sorry folks, action's over, as I've no more time for
this than I'm sure he does.
(you can all go home now folks; show's over)
dave
Unisaw A100 wrote:
> Soooooooo, um Dave, what machine were you planning to buy
> next? Maybe we can work it into this thread and de-glam
> David.
>
> UA100
Hello,
> > > All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
> > I am just doing what my mother taught me, and Dave should learn the
same.
> I was referring to the fact that you posted two messages in a row with no
> content, IOW they were BLANK messages.
>
> Nuttin' to do with BAD.
Everything to do with BAD. If you don't have anything good to say about
something/someone, don't say anything at all.
Thanks,
David.
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Steve,
> Do you think it will get even darker from UV/light? The ammonia (or
> lye if you would have used that) reacts with the tannins. I'm not
> sure what light reacts with but I fear ( well not really fear - I'd
> say "think" but I don't do much of that either) that the piece may
> become almost black when the cherry darkens even more from light.
I don't know. The little cherry clock I made last year and did a lye dye job
has only mellowed in the last 18 months, I had a good look at it last
weekend when I was visiting the friend I gave it to. Where there was *some
very small* blotching that I saw when I "lye'd" the cherry, it has evened
out with time.
I am going to go *way* out here on a limb and speculate with absolutely
nothing to back me up here, but my supposition is that there is only so much
tannin to work with, and when you use it up chemically treating the wood,
that is it, no more colour change. In other words, all you are doing is
speeding up the oxidization process, and once it is done, it is done.
> This may have been discussed already but with the signal to noise
> ratio lately, I haven't been visiting much.
I don't see any of the shit, Nfilter does work, and it works well. Only
problem is that it has disappeared from the web. I hope someone hosts the
.exe so I can point to it in the mini-faq.
Guess what I have gotten myself into? I am helping a friend teach a
woodworking extension course at a local high school in the evening. The
interesting part, the instructor is female, and so is the entire class!
Thanks,
David.
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David,
what is the effect on glue? Does it weaken? Also, does the glue stop
darkening by the ammonia?
Greg
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume
my
> little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
So THAT'S the step I've been leaving out of my woodworking projects? I
didn't know I'm suppose to sample the wood first! Thanks for the tip
PM. BTW, how do you remove all those slivers from your tongue?
dave
PM6564 wrote:
snip I was all set to spend the winter
> making a new bed and dressser with some tasty walnut.
even I "got" your "keyboard" joke. You can lead these guys to a joke,
but you can't make them laugh. :)
dave
Swingman wrote:
> JEEEEZZZ!! ... It was NOT about BAD, or anything to do with BAD!!
>
> It was A ***FRIENDLY** JOKE (maybe lame, but an attempted pun nonetheless),
> about your keyboard ribbon being fumed to white, David ... ever see a ribbon
> on a computer keyboard?
>
> Get your shorts out of a twist. BAD has got you seeing bad in everyone.
>
Keef,
> sigh...
Ayup.
On another note, wait until you see the pictures of the motherload of all
trade in's. I am buying two massive shops at work to trade in on downsized
new equipment (two prisions ww'ing shops closed, new smaller outsourced shop
being built). Things like General 12" jointer, 24" planer, floor model
mortiser (like a Yates), knobless dust door cast iron based Canukastani made
Unisaurs, Crescent/Delta 20" bandsaws, 16" Wadkin TS's, lathes, radio alarm
saws, the list goes on and on.
Uniqueasaur.
Steve,
> > I don't post pictures every time I turn around nor expect everyone here
> > to await the next promised batch of "must watch jpegs" with unbridled
> > excitement. Get a life.
> We understand. Afterall, how can you center the picture with your head so
> far up your ass?
The difference is I know how to use the tools and share how to make stuff,
he only asks what to buy next.
Thanks,
David.
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I like it! I'm looking forward to seeing the before and after pictures as
well as the process pictures. It's always cool to learn another technique
you can use. I've never tried fuming either as it seemed a bit complicated
to me as well (my Engineering professors are probably doing a 180 as we
speak). Maybe you can give us the layman's directions when done.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume
my
> little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
> I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
> darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
> ever will in just a few days of exposure.
>
> I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>
>
On 31 Oct 2003, Bay Area Dave blathered:
> You'll keep us posted???
>
> I wait with baited breath...
Unless you have a piece of anchovy caught in your teeth, that should
be 'bated breath,' meaning "I'm holding my breath."
> NOT!
Why not? David E.'s work is always worth looking at, and he shares
the results of his behind-the-scenes investigations into techniques, which
benefits all of us.
You, on the other hand, can't seem to wipe yourself without asking
how to fold the paper first.
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:
: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:05:20 GMT, Chris Merrill
: <[email protected]> wrote:
:>Has anyone fumed maple?
: No, but I have used ferrous sulphate to try and bring out birds eye
: figure, and I'm currently experimenting with nitric acid / ferric
: nitrate stains and heat (18th century gunsmithing techniques).
: Logwood dye on maple is nice. Comes out silver grey and looks nothing
: like maple, but it's a nice '30s style decorative highlight on a
: light-coloured piece.
Where do you get logwood dye? And is the stuff hazardous?
-- Andy Barss
All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
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"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
>
>
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<WGuob.71037$e01.249285@attbi_s02>...
> I like it! I'm looking forward to seeing the before and after pictures as
> well as the process pictures. It's always cool to learn another technique
> you can use. I've never tried fuming either as it seemed a bit complicated
> to me as well (my Engineering professors are probably doing a 180 as we
> speak). Maybe you can give us the layman's directions when done.
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
http://musial.ws/fuming.htm
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
> little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
> I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
> darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
> ever will in just a few days of exposure.
>
> I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
>
> David.
>
David,
Do you think it will get even darker from UV/light? The ammonia (or
lye if you would have used that) reacts with the tannins. I'm not
sure what light reacts with but I fear ( well not really fear - I'd
say "think" but I don't do much of that either) that the piece may
become almost black when the cherry darkens even more from light.
This may have been discussed already but with the signal to noise
ratio lately, I haven't been visiting much.
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:29:13 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Where do you get logwood dye? And is the stuff hazardous?
You buy logwood as chips, then boil it up yourself. Couple of
spoonfuls in a tin can, enough water to cover it and simmer for ten
minutes. Needs to be used with a mordant (tin chloride, alum) and the
mordant choice and pH influences the colour. Gives some very
interesting colours on oak, even some nice blues, and the oak's tannin
is usually enough to act as a mordant on its own.
I don't know about any minor toxicity problems, but it's certainly not
a hazard I worry about.
I think it's Mexican in origin these days, but it's not hard to get
hold of from web-order alchemy suppliers. Other sources that
woodworkers should be aware of are pagans and incense makers. You can
find dyestuffs like dragon's blood or all of the resins like copal and
sandarac that you need for reproducing 18th century spirit varnishes.
Now if anyone knows how the hell to do anything useful with alkanet
root, then I'd love to hear it ! Boil that up in oil and you get a
beautiful deep crimson, but it fades in a few days, even in darkness.
Nothing I know will preserve it.
--
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Hello,
> All those fumes get to your keyboard ribbon?
I am just doing what my mother taught me, and Dave should learn the same.
Thanks,
David.
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Larry C in Auburn, WA wrote:
> speak). Maybe you can give us the layman's directions when done.
Second that. I'm too stupid to even read the thread where all the chemical
details were discussed, but that transformation sure was amazing! It's
going to be beautiful.
--
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Whassa matter Dave - this thread not about you?
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You'll keep us posted???
>
> I wait with baited breath...
>
>
> NOT!
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:16:02 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
>>
>> I'm just wondering what he's trying to catch. Baited breath..cheese, for
>mice?
>> Or does he mean "bated," as in "holding?"
>
>Baited as in troll-bait perhaps, I suspect a Freudian slip, and I am not
>referring to router bits and collets either.
CHRIST, guys. Can't you tell that he is a troll, nothing more?
Why must you continue to respond to him? ------------
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---- --Unknown
Groggy responds:
>Whassa matter Dave - this thread not about you?
>
>
>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> You'll keep us posted???
>>
>> I wait with baited breath...
I'm just wondering what he's trying to catch. Baited breath..cheese, for mice?
Or does he mean "bated," as in "holding?"
Charlie Self
"Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be
common." Satchel Paige
you must have missed my acknowledgment that I added the "i". see post
8:25AM. at least that's the time showing here in CA.
dave
Charlie Self wrote:
> Groggy responds:
>
>
>>Whassa matter Dave - this thread not about you?
>>
>>
>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>You'll keep us posted???
>>>
>>>I wait with baited breath...
>
>
> I'm just wondering what he's trying to catch. Baited breath..cheese, for mice?
> Or does he mean "bated," as in "holding?"
>
> Charlie Self
> "Ain't no man can avoid being born average, but there ain't no man got to be
> common." Satchel Paige
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
>
> I'm just wondering what he's trying to catch. Baited breath..cheese, for
mice?
> Or does he mean "bated," as in "holding?"
Baited as in troll-bait perhaps, I suspect a Freudian slip, and I am not
referring to router bits and collets either.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:42 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Dear All,
>
>Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
>little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
>Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
>http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
How about a closeup of that test piece, Davey?
It looks interesting.
--
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---- --Unknown
Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Soooooooo, um Dave, what machine were you planning to buy
> next? Maybe we can work it into this thread and de-glam
> David.
>
> UA100
> From: Patrick Leach <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Beading tool technique
> Date: 1996/11/25
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>#1/1
> sender: Woodworking Discussions <[email protected]>
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>
>
> Richard Ling <[email protected]> writes:
>
> <snip of his LN #66 woes>
>
> The trick to getting these tools to work properly is to
> make sure that the blade leans away from you and that you
> push it, as if you were pushing a scraper. The tool, after-
> all, really is a scraper, but with a shape to the edge. Be
> sure that the edge is filed straight across and that you
> remove any burrs after filing.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Patrick Leach
> Just say The tool doesn't work too well on softwoods.
> etc.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:00:17 GMT, Jim <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've been wanting to try fuming (on white oak) but I can't find
anyplace
>>that will ship the ammonia.
>
> Just go and buy the stuff at your local ironmongers. You only need 25%
> - you can buy this as a domestic cleaner, it's not some terrifying
> industrial cleaner.
>
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
>
What is ironmongers? I have checked around in the local stores for
cleaning supplies and nothing is even close to 25%...
Jim Schatte asks:
>What is ironmongers? I have checked around in the local stores for
>cleaning supplies and nothing is even close to 25%...
I think "ironmongers" is British for hardware store.
If you can't locate it there, check out any store locally that does extensive
blueprint copying. The word is not much is done with ammonia these days, but in
some areas the word is wrong. Ammonia used to bring up blueprints is plenty
strong.
I think regular house grade ammonia will also work: it just takes a lot longer.
Charlie Self
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas J. Watson
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> please define "de-glam".
> I'm more likely to be buying Neander tools from now on...got most of the
> larger stuff now. Sure wish I was in the market for the new 735 planer
> though--saw it running yesterday and liked it very much.
>
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From: Patrick Leach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Attn: Neanderthals! - Evolution of
Lines: 39
This neanderthal has never so much as held a normRouter. Nor a bisquick
joiner. Nor a belt sandah. He has messed with a thickness planer, table-
saw, drill press (my old man's), and a bandsaw. Oh, and a chainsaw as well.
As time passes, my use of these machines dwindles. So much so that my
current project - 25 pair of double-hung sash - is a total handjob, other
than thicknessing and ripping. All crosscutting, tenoning, mortising,
coping, sticking, and boring is 100% USDA Neanderthal.
Can't say whether it's the tools themselves that causes one to de-evolve.
It's one of those nature vs. nurture thingies. I know that my 'born-again'
experience came as I hunted for the molding planes that I needed to
reproduce
the moldings in the home I wrecked. I was like a coke-head in Medellin,
seeing all the boner handtools that once built stuff Norm could only wet-
dream about. That and the fact that I grew up in a houseful of antiques
sorta made me a product of my environment.
>As a newbie neanderthal, do I grunt or just club fellow neanderthals on
the
>head when I meet them. Or.. is there a ** SECRET ** handshake out there?
>Maybe we need to start talking on alt.paranet. Like I said I've been
>having fun with this thread.
Nah, none of that. Just be an irritating, wise-ass, tongue-in-cheek,
never
take anything seriously, laugh at yourself attitude and you'll not only be
a
member, but the president of the club.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrick Leach
Just say Have to eat rolled anchovies stewed in Dave's Insanity Sauce, too.
etc.
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> Cluetoken ain't a town in the Ozarks y'know
Hey now - don't go associatin' the Ozarks and Tailgunner. That's downright
disrespectful to the Ozarks.
p.s. I just found out that my g.g.g.g grandfather came to the Ozarks and
was farming on a Spanish land grant 200+ years ago. To think that I came
back to the same state via Indiana and Pennsylvania. Harry Chapin had it
right about circles.
Good question, David.
I work with a lot of cherry, cut from my dad's farm, and I've had that
problem with Lye-darkened cherry. Over time, it appears to get darker and
darker.
Brent
"WebsterSteve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to
fume my
> > little cherry clock with ammonia.
> >
> > Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
> >
> > http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
> >
> > I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is
even
> > darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
> > ever will in just a few days of exposure.
> >
> > I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
> >
> > David.
> >
>
>
> David,
>
> Do you think it will get even darker from UV/light? The ammonia (or
> lye if you would have used that) reacts with the tannins. I'm not
> sure what light reacts with but I fear ( well not really fear - I'd
> say "think" but I don't do much of that either) that the piece may
> become almost black when the cherry darkens even more from light.
>
> This may have been discussed already but with the signal to noise
> ratio lately, I haven't been visiting much.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:35:42 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Wow, that sure looks purty. Wish I had known about that trick a week
ago. Made up a little holder panel on base (looks kinda like a book
stand, except the back is more vertical) for a bookshelf stereo
system. The system looked fine without it, but the cat found a way to
send the pieces crashing to the floor. Tain't no way she will be able
to do the same now.
Point is, made it from a nicely figured piece of cherry (approximately
12"x27"x1/2") the father-in-law gave me. Would have looked real nice
with that deep red-orange glow that only old cherry seems to posses.
Have an old cherry gate leg table and corner cupboard, both well over
100 years old, that just glow. The table has 2 boards that are
approximately 22" wide. Nice to find a way to impart that glow in my
lifetime.
DLG
>Dear All,
>
>Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
>little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
>Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
>http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
>I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
>darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
>ever will in just a few days of exposure.
>
>I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
>
>David.
Scott Cramer wrote:
> On 31 Oct 2003, Bay Area Dave blathered:
>
>> You'll keep us posted???
>>
>> I wait with baited breath...
>
> Unless you have a piece of anchovy caught in your teeth, that
> should be 'bated breath,' meaning "I'm holding my breath."
Damn... you beat me to it.
--
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http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
'twas merely a slip of the fingers...but thanks for playing word cop.
dave
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> Scott Cramer wrote:
>
>>On 31 Oct 2003, Bay Area Dave blathered:
>>
>>
>>>You'll keep us posted???
>>>
>>>I wait with baited breath...
>>
>> Unless you have a piece of anchovy caught in your teeth, that
>>should be 'bated breath,' meaning "I'm holding my breath."
>
>
>
> Damn... you beat me to it.
>
>
>
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 12:37:51 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
"But Santiago's problems were far from over; he was still a day's
journey from land, and he knew that the fish's blood would attract
sharks. "
Dave,
I've been wanting to try fuming (on white oak) but I can't find anyplace
that will ship the ammonia. Do you have a source?
Thanks,
jim
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to
> fume my little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
> I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is
> even darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as
> old as it ever will in just a few days of exposure.
In article
<[email protected]>,
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't know. The little cherry clock I made last year and did a lye dye job
> has only mellowed in the last 18 months, I had a good look at it last
> weekend when I was visiting the friend I gave it to. Where there was *some
> very small* blotching that I saw when I "lye'd" the cherry, it has evened
> out with time.
>
> I am going to go *way* out here on a limb and speculate with absolutely
> nothing to back me up here, but my supposition is that there is only so much
> tannin to work with, and when you use it up chemically treating the wood,
> that is it, no more colour change. In other words, all you are doing is
> speeding up the oxidization process, and once it is done, it is done.
Sounds as good or better than anything I've been able to come up with -
in my experience, the fumed cherry pieces haven't darkened any more.
None are regularly exposed to direct sunlight, but I don't think it
would do much more (if anything).
--
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Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
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David F. Eisan wrote:
>Uniqueasaur.
Some guys get all the fun jobs. You'll of course me making
up a pictorial record???
And speaking of Kanada, somewhere in all my things I have a
shot of a Unisaw with a Beaver tagged dust door. I saw this
at a shop up in Edmonton (like Omaha only farther nort' and
west Leon). The picture didn't come out too goodly though
and to tell you the truth I'd have to go digging for it. I
wonder if FotoShoppe wouldn't resurrect the thing?
sigh...
UA100
>And speaking of Kanada, somewhere in all my things I have a
>shot of a Unisaw with a Beaver tagged dust door. I saw this
>at a shop up in Edmonton (like Omaha only farther nort' and
>west Leon). The picture didn't come out too goodly though
>and to tell you the truth I'd have to go digging for it. I
>wonder if FotoShoppe wouldn't resurrect the thing?
>
Gotta keep an eye on those Beavers.
I brought up an old ('73) shot of a Yankee half-miler (motorcycle made in
Schenectady, NY for a few seasons) set up for ice racing, taken at Glens Falls
in February (the lakes have to be cold enough to hold a *lot* of vehicles).
Scanned way too dark, though it's medium format, but PSE 2 did a fine job of
turning it into as much of a visual treat as it will ever be. Mostly a reminder
of going on my butt on the same bike while playing around after the races.
Charlie Self
"Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The
conduct of public affairs for private advantage. " Ambrose Bierce
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:00:17 GMT, Jim <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been wanting to try fuming (on white oak) but I can't find anyplace
>that will ship the ammonia.
Just go and buy the stuff at your local ironmongers. You only need 25%
- you can buy this as a domestic cleaner, it's not some terrifying
industrial cleaner.
--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
Keef,
> And speaking of Kanada, somewhere in all my things I have a
> shot of a Unisaw with a Beaver tagged dust door. I saw this
> at a shop up in Edmonton (like Omaha only farther nort' and
> west Leon). The picture didn't come out too goodly though
> and to tell you the truth I'd have to go digging for it. I
> wonder if FotoShoppe wouldn't resurrect the thing?
If you ask *really* nicely, I can bother my crusty neighbour and take a
picture of his old Unisaur that has the Beaver tag on the dust door.
Thanks,
David.
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:05:20 GMT, Chris Merrill
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
depths:
>WebsterSteve wrote:
>> http://musial.ws/fuming.htm
>
>Great page...thanks!
>
>Has anyone fumed maple? My BIL was considering staining his current
>maple project, but decided to use amber shellac instead - due to poor
>consistency with some stain samples.
I'll be fuming some ebony this weekend.
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---- --Unknown
You'll keep us posted???
I wait with baited breath...
NOT!
the other dave
David F. Eisan wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Well thanks to Mr. Owen Shim and others, it looks like I am going to fume my
> little cherry clock with ammonia.
>
> Here is what my test piece looks like set beside the clock,
>
> http://members.rogers.com/moreweb/images/fume1.jpg
>
> I compared it to a cherry table I made about 20 years ago, and it is even
> darker than the table. Fuming seems to make the cherry look as old as it
> ever will in just a few days of exposure.
>
> I like it and I will keep everyone posted on how things are coming,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
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>
>
Bay Area Dave wrote:
>please define "de-glam".
Jeez, aw hell, and here you are the guy that busted open the
whole thing wide open. Exposed the guy and everything.
>I'm more likely to be buying Neander tools from now on...got most of the
>larger stuff now. Sure wish I was in the market for the new 735 planer
>though--saw it running yesterday and liked it very much.
So you're kinda getting wishy-washy on the whole stupid
neander thing?...
>the portion of this thread dealing with personality conflict is over, as
>far as I'm concerned. dave detests David and David detests Dave.
Sounds to me like its alive and well but I not being you...
>the rest of the crowd just hangs around to watch the action. sorry
>folks, action's over, as I've no more time for this than I'm sure he does.
Like I said. Sure looks to me like a meaty bit or two
flailing about.
>(you can all go home now folks; show's over)
If it was only true.
UA100
Mon, Nov 3, 2003, 12:12am (EST+5) [email protected] (Unisaw=A0A100)
claims:
<snip> So you're kinda getting wishy-washy on the whole stupid neander
thing?... <snip>
Possibly. Or they don't trust him with power tools anymore.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
so what you're saying is the die hard Neanders have NEVER been trusted
with power tools.
dave
T. wrote:
> Mon, Nov 3, 2003, 12:12am (EST+5) [email protected] (Unisaw A100)
> claims:
> <snip> So you're kinda getting wishy-washy on the whole stupid neander
> thing?... <snip>
>
> Possibly. Or they don't trust him with power tools anymore.
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
Tue, Nov 4, 2003, 3:21pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay=A0Area=A0Dave)
says:
so what you're saying is the die hard Neanders have NEVER been trusted
with power tools.
Now BAD, don't try to make out that I said something other than what
I said. I'm sure even you know that the word "him" is singular, not
plural.
Speaking of saying, are you saying that you're now a diehard
Neander?
The offer still stands, for the dried frog pills.
JOAT
My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
from human beings as possible.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
"A Dog Named Stain" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:m_7qb.4810$I%[email protected]...
> There's always a place in my heart
>> for a beefy 3 HP motor and a fast spinning blade.
>>
>
>
> We could only hope.
>
>
>
Good one.
Hank
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"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:m_7qb.4810$I%[email protected]...
There's always a place in my heart
> for a beefy 3 HP motor and a fast spinning blade.
>
We could only hope.
hell no, I'm not a diehard Neander! Just said I'm contemplating leaning
an LITTLE more toward their ways. :) There's always a place in my heart
for a beefy 3 HP motor and a fast spinning blade.
dave
T. wrote:
> Tue, Nov 4, 2003, 3:21pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Bay Area Dave)
> says:
> so what you're saying is the die hard Neanders have NEVER been trusted
> with power tools.
>
> Now BAD, don't try to make out that I said something other than what
> I said. I'm sure even you know that the word "him" is singular, not
> plural.
>
> Speaking of saying, are you saying that you're now a diehard
> Neander?
>
> The offer still stands, for the dried frog pills.
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 3 Nov 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
I set myself up for that one, I see! Gotta fire the proofreader. :)
dave
Henry St.Pierre wrote:
> "A Dog Named Stain" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:m_7qb.4810$I%[email protected]...
>> There's always a place in my heart
>>
>>>for a beefy 3 HP motor and a fast spinning blade.
>>>
>>
>>
>>We could only hope.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Good one.
>
> Hank
>
>
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Can you post the technique on using ferrous sulphate?? And where you
purchased it. I would love to try it out.
Thanks,
Grampa Simpson
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:05:20 GMT, Chris Merrill
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone fumed maple?
>
> No, but I have used ferrous sulphate to try and bring out birds eye
> figure, and I'm currently experimenting with nitric acid / ferric
> nitrate stains and heat (18th century gunsmithing techniques).
>
> Logwood dye on maple is nice. Comes out silver grey and looks nothing
> like maple, but it's a nice '30s style decorative highlight on a
> light-coloured piece.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods
"Bay Area Dave" to avoid answering the question, puts his fingers in his
ears and says "la la la la la......"
> i take you out of my twit list for 5 days and you just can't wait to act
> up, can you? bye, again.
One of these days you'll answer the question instead of running away. If you
are going to make foolish statements at least have the courage to "try" to
support them.