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... beats hell out of religion, politics and BORG rants.
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
> In article Jim K wrote:
>
> > Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> > many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> > I very rarely use mine.
>
> This topic has been beaten to death, quite recently.
In article <[email protected]>, Jim K
<jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote:
> Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> I very rarely use mine.
This topic has been beaten to death, quite recently.
Try here:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=table+saw+gua
rd>
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> As has just about any topic to do with woodworking at one time or another
>> ... beats hell out of religion, politics and BORG rants.
>
>Did you know that the left-wing Home Depot doesn't support Christianity? :-)
>-- Ernie
>
>
But do they sell *table saw guards*?
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:42:17 GMT, Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net>
wrote:
>Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
>many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
>I very rarely use mine.
>
I never use mine.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
After glancing through this thread, (last week) I decided "aww, what
the heck, I'll reinstall mine".
After futzing with it for 10 minutes, cursing half that, I got it on.
Took one look at the poor alignment between the blade and "splitter",
pushed up on the pawls and realized they'd leave a nice divot (sp?) on
_any_thing that went under 'em, I said a few choice words and removed
the blasted thing.
Dave Balderstone <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message news:<240820030934565585%dave***@balderstone.ca>...
> In article <[email protected]>, Jim K
> <jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> > many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> > I very rarely use mine.
>
> This topic has been beaten to death, quite recently.
>
> Try here:
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=table+saw+gua
> rd>
>
> djb
you've got one HELL of a chip on your stubby shoulder. In point of
fact, the guard was the cause of the kickback. You just don't know
enough about WW equipment like table saws, to recognize that
possibility. Now shoo, you're bothering me.
dave
Rich wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> babbled...
>
>>I got a kickback BECAUSE of the blade guard.
>>
>
>
> Sure it couldn't have been the fact that you don't know what you're
> doing. You also forgot to mention that your tall.
>
> Please followup your post with a reply to yourself.
Saw blades are spring tempered. You can cut them with a band saw. Use a 32
TPI blade or finer, slow speed and cutting oil.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> adb wrote:
>
>
> I have a completely defunct saw blade and a metal-cutting bandsaw... Are
> saw blades hardened? Could I cut it up to fit, using the old one as a
> template, and then grind an edge on the splitting bit of it, or would the
> metal just chew the teeth off my bandsaw? (I have a 28 TPI blade, I
think.
> It's an extremely fine-toothed blade...)
>
> Seems like a halfway decent idea, actually, since the two blades are
pretty
> much the same thickness, and it's a free source of suitable sheet metal.
>
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"Jim K" <jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> I very rarely use mine.
Still in the plastic baggie. :-)
-- Ernie
Please read the article in Fine Woodworking entitled Tablesaw
Splitters & Blade Covers. It is a good informative article by one who
is called the best tablesaw writer there is. 'Cept for Charlie Self,
of course!
Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:02:29 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
>>many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
>>I very rarely use mine.
>
>I plan to put mine on before I use the saw again. DAMHIKT
>
>Wes
I have an overarm guard which flips out of the way. I use it on all cuts
where it is convenient and not in the way as an extra margin of safety,
which are the preponderance of cuts I make on the table saw. I am not a
zealot about the blade guard, but I am about using a splitter when ripping.
My splitter is aftermarket, separate from the guard, and installs and
removes in seconds.
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"Jim K" wrote in message
> Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> I very rarely use mine.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:20:32 GMT, "Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> As has just about any topic to do with woodworking at one time or another
>> ... beats hell out of religion, politics and BORG rants.
>
>Did you know that the left-wing Home Depot doesn't support Christianity? :-)
>-- Ernie
>
Did you know that eating pickles will kill you?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
I think I would try a torch to cut to shape then grind with a hand
grinder (4-1/2"). It won't be needing much hardness; I would think
that hardness=brittleness.
Blades are normally pretty tough stuff.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:37:13 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>adb wrote:
>
>> After glancing through this thread, (last week) I decided "aww, what
>> the heck, I'll reinstall mine".
>>
>> After futzing with it for 10 minutes, cursing half that, I got it on.
>> Took one look at the poor alignment between the blade and "splitter",
>> pushed up on the pawls and realized they'd leave a nice divot (sp?) on
>> _any_thing that went under 'em, I said a few choice words and removed
>> the blasted thing.
>
>Funny... Me too. I hadn't looked at the thing in ages, and when I did, I
>noticed that it's a "riving knife" which is supposed to be sooo much better
>than a standard splitter.
>
>Except it's such a thin, crappy piece of stamped sheet metal that it flops
>to one side under its own weight, and like as not, it will interfere with
>the cut instead of doing what it's supposed to do.
>
>I do think I should probably keep a riving knife on to prevent the kerf from
>closing on the far side, but I think I need to see about manufacturing
>myself a new one out of a heavier gauge of steel.
>
>I have a completely defunct saw blade and a metal-cutting bandsaw... Are
>saw blades hardened? Could I cut it up to fit, using the old one as a
>template, and then grind an edge on the splitting bit of it, or would the
>metal just chew the teeth off my bandsaw? (I have a 28 TPI blade, I think.
>It's an extremely fine-toothed blade...)
>
>Seems like a halfway decent idea, actually, since the two blades are pretty
>much the same thickness, and it's a free source of suitable sheet metal.
Ramsey wrote:
> I think I would try a torch to cut to shape then grind with a hand
> grinder (4-1/2"). It won't be needing much hardness; I would think
> that hardness=brittleness.
I don't have a torch...
Well, not one that gets hot enough to cut anything anyway. I don't think
air/propane is going to do it. :)
Makes dealing with potential heat treatment problematical too. Can't remove
it, can't put it back. I've read about such things, but I don't have
anything that gets hot enough.
One of these days....
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:20:32 GMT, "Ernie Jurick" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> As has just about any topic to do with woodworking at one time or another
>> ... beats hell out of religion, politics and BORG rants.
>
>Did you know that the left-wing Home Depot doesn't support Christianity? :-)
>-- Ernie
>
"Jim K" <jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> I very rarely use mine.
We went through this a week or so ago. You can find the thread on Google.
I use mine. Probably less than half do.
I had an insurance inspector visit at work last week. He said he will find
the same things in every shop. The bench grinder is not adjust properly
(ours wasn't) and if there is a table saw, the guard will be off. (we don't
have one).
Ed
>> Seriously, Old Cpt. Hull be disappointed in you!
>
>I doubt Capt. Hull had a bicycle helmet on board. More than likely, his
>gunners didn't wear hearing protection either. In fact, I'll bet his
>sailors used to climb the ratlines without clip-on safety ropes too.
Simply amazing!! How did they ever survive?? And no steel-toed shoes
or helmets?? No, no way. You gotta be kidding. I won't fall for that!
I guess next you 'll tell me that the signs on the stairs and the rope
ladders up didn't have braille on them. Come on Michael, we know you
kidding!
I have worked in professional industrial wood shops since 1980. Trust
me, DON'T USE THE GUARD. Ours are there only for OSHA and are purposely
designed to be easily moved out of thway to a safe position. If you have
a slide-down guide, and need o have it there, drill a hole in the upper
slider and stick a penci in it to keep the darn thing up while you work.
Our other ones are on swivel pipes, etc. You do not need another thing
to deal with while passing your hand near a spinning, tilted meat
grinder.
Ramsey wrote:
> Michael, by the time you figure out helments, knee and ankle
> protection is a good idea, you may be dead! Any way you might could
Nah, I practically never ride anymore. That's the other way to solve the
problem. :)
While I *could* have a nasty one and kill myself in the empty parking lot
across the street, it's rather less dangerous than riding in the real
world. If I ever go riding anywhere in the real world again, I'll buy some
elbow/knee pads, and don my helmet if that will make you happy. :)
> Figured maybe since these wer enot my fault that maybe I ought to get
> a truck. LoveiT!
You do have excellent survivability in a truck.
> Seriously, Old Cpt. Hull be disappointed in you!
I doubt Capt. Hull had a bicycle helmet on board. More than likely, his
gunners didn't wear hearing protection either. In fact, I'll bet his
sailors used to climb the ratlines without clip-on safety ropes too.
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In article <[email protected]>, Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Helmets are optional for adults here in Ohio. Every time I see a motorcyclist
>without a helmet, I think,"Oh, look, another organ donor!".
>
Yep -- here in Indiana, we call 'em donorcycles.
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In article <[email protected]>, Trent©
<[email protected]> wrote:
> If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
> buses?
The school bus companies have simply had powerful enough lobbyists
chanting the mantra that retrofitting all those yellow buses would
bankrupt them. They have always claimed that the backs of the seats are
high enough that children will be stopped by them from becoming
projectiles in an accident. What a crock of sh*t! Strictly bottom-line
mentality with little or no conscience.
The pond slime just don't want anything decreasing their profits. Some
companies which have become BIG transportation conglomerates made
enough of a fortune from their schoolbus divisions to finance their
starts into long-distance haulage and other related fields.
Gerry < thirty-five years as a teacher watching and occasionally having
to ride on the potential deathtraps >
"Trent©" wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:24:26 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Trent© wrote:
> >>
> >>> He was right. Safety should be a matter of personal decision.
> >>>
> >>> When I was a kid, you just got on your bike and rode away...and had a
> >>> good time. Now...you've gotta wear a helmet in many cities.
> >>
> >>Yeah, same here. Then again, when I was a kid, they didn't *have* helmets
> >>for bikes.
> >
> >Yep, same here. Been a *long* time since I was a kid...
> >>
> >>When I bought a bike as an adult, so I could ride with my son, I didn't get
> >>myself a helmet.
> >>
> >[snip accident story]
> >
> >I already had a bike when I bought one for my son, along with a helmet. I
> >bought a helmet for myself too (my first ever, at about age 33) -- and use it
> >every time. How could I tell him it was important for him to wear a helmet, if
> >I didn't wear one too?
>
> You should teach him that the value in life is NOT in quantity...its
> in QUALITY.
>
> That's why I gave up riding my motorcycle. When they change the
> helmet law back again in my state...which they do every now and
> then...I'll start riding again.
>
> If you live in Indiana, you should wear your helmet every time you
> step out of the house in the Winter. Can never tell when you might
> slip and fall and hit your head.
>
That's exactly how I lost an uncle, he was walking home on Christmas
Eve, slipped on a patch of ice, fell backwards, hit his head, died three
days later.
Helmets are optional for adults here in Ohio. Every time I see a motorcyclist
without a helmet, I think,"Oh, look, another organ donor!".
ARM - I ride an American made bike, a Honda!
Doug Miller wrote:
> The evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse
> to wear them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still
> sharing the road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your
> skill alone is enough to protect you from them is delusional.
I agree completely, and I'm a seatbelt wearer. Have been since before the
goverment started trying to force people to wear them. I had a really
nasty wreck when I was a kid. T-boned an old, nearly deaf man who ran a
stop sign. I hit hard enough to break the motor mounts, and the battery
exploded. The floor pan buckled and my passenger wound up with the top of
his seat almost out the window (and he would have probably smashed the
glass with his head if it hadn't been summer, and the window hadn't been
down...)
I got a nice red mark on my shoulder. No other injuries. My passenger
didn't even get a red mark. I believe in seatbelts!
Having said that, I'm coming to be of the opinion that seatbelts in heavy
trucks are pretty pointless. I've had two accidents and countless panic
stops. Most recently, an idiot decided to come across *four* lanes at the
last possible second to change her mind about which way she wanted to go at
a junction between two interstates. She cut it too close, clipped the
guardrail, blew out a tire, spun completely out of control, and even though
I was doing my damndest to avoid a collision, I T-boned her. Completely
obliterated her vehicle, though thankfully, and miraculously, there were no
injuries. All the moreso because she had an approximately 12-year-old girl
with her. I've very, very glad the poor child's stupid, impatient imbecile
mother didn't get her killed!
My seatbelt didn't even lock, and I never budged from the seat at all. Had
the bumper not bent into my steer tire, I could have driven away
immediately. Her big badass SUV went to the junkyard on a rollback.
I'm thinking that if I ever hit something hard enough to jiggle my seatbelt
into locking, the seatbelt ain't gonna save me. So I mostly wear it just
to avoid getting a ticket.
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I had you figured for 16.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> (I'm 31.)
>
In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:32:16 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
>>>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
>>>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
>>>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
>>>right or was he wrong?
>>>
>>That depends. Did he die in a car crash?
>>
>>Seriously, though... anyone who thinks that statistics don't apply to him, is
>>a fool. And so is anyone who believes that auto seat belts are unsafe. The
>>evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to wear
>>them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still sharing the
>>road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your skill alone is
>>enough to protect you from them is delusional.
>
>If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
>buses?
>
That has always mystified me.
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RM MS <[email protected]> wrote:
: I have worked in professional industrial wood shops since 1980. Trust
: me, DON'T USE THE GUARD.
Um, well, hunh!, okay.
: Ours are there only for OSHA
You mean the Federal agency that's responsible for
worker safety, right? So, basically, the guard are there only
to protect the people using the machine. Damn inconveniences!
A scourge upon them!
: and are purposely
: designed to be easily moved out of thway to a safe position. If you have
: a slide-down guide, and need o have it there, drill a hole in the upper
: slider and stick a penci in it to keep the darn thing up while you work.
: Our other ones are on swivel pipes, etc. You do not need another thing
: to deal with while passing your hand near a spinning, tilted meat
: grinder.
Yeah man, right on!
Anyone who operates a TS without a good* guard is an idiot. Anyone
who forces coworkers or employees to do so is an abusive bastard.
-- Andy Barss
* the American standard guides are crap. Try a Brett guard
to see what a real guard is like.
Doug Miller wrote:
>>Yeah, same here. Then again, when I was a kid, they didn't *have* helmets
>>for bikes.
>
> Yep, same here. Been a *long* time since I was a kid...
Seems like the same here, but I'm not even old enough to start bitching
about how bad I feel yet. Since everybody I know is 20 years older than I
am, I guess I never will be. :)
(I'm 31.)
> I already had a bike when I bought one for my son, along with a helmet. I
I already had a bike too, incidentally, but it was pretty ratty. I caved
into the temptation to buy one of those new fangled jobs with the bouncy
suspension and the fancy shifters. The big, squishy seat didn't hurt
either, now that I think about it. Evidently I didn't have testicles the
last time I rode my old bike. ;)
> bought a helmet for myself too (my first ever, at about age 33) -- and use
> it every time. How could I tell him it was important for him to wear a
> helmet, if I didn't wear one too?
Yeah, well, there *is* that indeed. I'm not being a very good role model.
Consider me shamed.
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In article <[email protected]>, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>Trent© wrote:
>
>> He was right. Safety should be a matter of personal decision.
>>
>> When I was a kid, you just got on your bike and rode away...and had a
>> good time. Now...you've gotta wear a helmet in many cities.
>
>Yeah, same here. Then again, when I was a kid, they didn't *have* helmets
>for bikes.
Yep, same here. Been a *long* time since I was a kid...
>
>When I bought a bike as an adult, so I could ride with my son, I didn't get
>myself a helmet.
>
[snip accident story]
I already had a bike when I bought one for my son, along with a helmet. I
bought a helmet for myself too (my first ever, at about age 33) -- and use it
every time. How could I tell him it was important for him to wear a helmet, if
I didn't wear one too?
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:32:16 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
>>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
>>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
>>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
>>right or was he wrong?
>>
>That depends. Did he die in a car crash?
>
>Seriously, though... anyone who thinks that statistics don't apply to him, is
>a fool. And so is anyone who believes that auto seat belts are unsafe. The
>evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to wear
>them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still sharing the
>road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your skill alone is
>enough to protect you from them is delusional.
If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
buses?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
Ramsey wrote:
> Simply amazing!! How did they ever survive?? And no steel-toed shoes
> or helmets?? No, no way. You gotta be kidding. I won't fall for that!
> I guess next you 'll tell me that the signs on the stairs and the rope
> ladders up didn't have braille on them. Come on Michael, we know you
> kidding!
I haven't actually seen the ship (I'd like to some day) but I wouldn't be
surprised if any signs it has have been put there in modern times.
I figure back then everybody knew their job, and didn't need labels on
stuff. There's probably some basis for that impression, given the steam
locomotive cabs I've been inside. 50,000 mysterious gizmos, with nothing
to offer a clue what any of it is for, except maybe the boiler pressure
gauge.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Joe28" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"RM MS" wrote
>> I have worked in professional industrial wood shops since 1980. Trust
>> me, DON'T USE THE GUARD.
>>
>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
>right or was he wrong?
>
That depends. Did he die in a car crash?
Seriously, though... anyone who thinks that statistics don't apply to him, is
a fool. And so is anyone who believes that auto seat belts are unsafe. The
evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to wear
them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still sharing the
road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your skill alone is
enough to protect you from them is delusional.
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Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:44:11 -0400, "Joe28"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"RM MS" wrote
>> I have worked in professional industrial wood shops since 1980. Trust
>> me, DON'T USE THE GUARD.
>>
>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
>right or was he wrong?
>
>Joe Gilman
>
He was right. Safety should be a matter of personal decision.
When I was a kid, you just got on your bike and rode away...and had a
good time. Now...you've gotta wear a helmet in many cities.
And air bags have probably killed as many people as they've saved.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:32 -0400, Alan McClure <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> If you live in Indiana, you should wear your helmet every time you
>> step out of the house in the Winter. Can never tell when you might
>> slip and fall and hit your head.
>>
>
>That's exactly how I lost an uncle, he was walking home on Christmas
>Eve, slipped on a patch of ice, fell backwards, hit his head, died three
>days later.
>
>Helmets are optional for adults here in Ohio. Every time I see a motorcyclist
>without a helmet, I think,"Oh, look, another organ donor!".
Just had a young kid in a nearby city who got killed riding his
motorcycle. He was wearing his helmet. He was hit from behind by a
drunk driver.
Its interesting the politics involved in measures that jeopardize our
freedoms. Helmets can certainly help protect us. We should require
them of anyone who rides in a car...along with shoulder restraints and
air bags.
Where do we stop?
Have a nice Labor Day weekend...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:04:06 -0400, "Morgans" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The static's for bus riders safety is so good, there has not been a need for
>seatbelts, vs. the negatives of seatbelt wearing.
That's MY argument. That's why *I* don't wear one.
Cops never bought my argument, however.
P.S. We just had a school bus accident just a few miles from my home.
The bus was broadsided by a semi.
At least a dozen of the kids were thrown into the roadway...the bus
was pretty much torn in half. The kids that remained inside the bus
were thrown everywhere, of course.
Miraculously, no one died...probably only because of the stream of
helicopters that transported them to area hospitals...the closest one
about 20 miles away.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:22:00 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Trent© <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:32:16 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
>>>>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
>>>>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
>>>>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
>>>>right or was he wrong?
>>>>
>>>That depends. Did he die in a car crash?
>>>
>>>Seriously, though... anyone who thinks that statistics don't apply to him, is
>>>a fool. And so is anyone who believes that auto seat belts are unsafe. The
>>>evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to wear
>>>them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still sharing the
>>>road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your skill alone is
>>>enough to protect you from them is delusional.
>>
>>If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
>>buses?
>>
>That has always mystified me.
So...are you still holding to your above statement?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
"RM MS" wrote
> I have worked in professional industrial wood shops since 1980. Trust
> me, DON'T USE THE GUARD.
>
I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused to
wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was he
right or was he wrong?
Joe Gilman
Close, on both counts: www.wildriverband.com
... and I just engineered/mixed a hip hop album in the studio last week, and
did the same for the first regional hip hop band in this area 20 years ago
... even an old man's gotta stay up with the times.. ;>)
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"Silvan" wrote in message
> Lemme guess, with a name like Swingman, you must play either country or
> hiphop, right? :)
The discussion of use/non-use of blade guards has been repeated many
times on this group. One comment that is always made is that factory
guards are worthless but usually with no further explanation. Would
someone like to say why they feel the factory guard is so bad.
For what its worth, I do use the guard on my saw for all cuts where it
is possible. And I can take it off or put it on in just seconds. And
it is a factory guard.
John
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> Hell, I'm as amateur a WW as they come, and I don't use my blade guard.
> I DO use the splitter though. I see nothing wrong with the practice [of
> NOT using a blade guard] from my standpoint; I maintain that the factory
> Delta guard is one of those true PITA's. Like most factory guards.
>
>
> dave
>
> Joe28 wrote:
>
>> "RM MS" wrote
>>
>>> Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
>>> see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
>>> to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
>>> wannabees are.
>>>
>>
>> This is rec.woodworking. Most readers are hobbists, not pros. You are
>> advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard, if I
>> understand you correctly.
>>
>>
>
I have not heard anyone advise that . I have heard almost everyone
state they THEY are not running one. BIG difference.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:01:48 -0400, "Joe28"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"RM MS" wrote
>> Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
>> see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
>> to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
>> wannabees are.
>>
>This is rec.woodworking. Most readers are hobbists, not pros. You are
>advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard, if I
>understand you correctly.
>
Probably the single worst attribute of the factory guard is "inconvenience".
Most are difficult and/or time consuming to remove and replace ... thus
their use is discouraged by the inconvenience of doing so. And once off, the
tendency it to leave them off.
Also, in many cases, factory guards are an integral part of the splitter, so
if you remove one, you remove both.
The splitter (or riving knife, as it is known in some countries) is reckoned
to be the single best defense against kickback, an occurrence which probably
leads to more table saw injuries than any other, particularly for those not
used to using a table saw on a regular basis.
Some folks blame the factory guards for accidents and say they can't see the
blade with one mounted. I've never seen any first hand evidence of that
myself, and have yet to see a blade guard I couldn't see the blade through
... but there is a first time for everything.
That said, their use should be voluntary in a home shop and certainly left
up to the individual.
IMO, nonuse in a commercial shop is nothing more than lawyer bait.
I personally use an aftermarket, overhead type blade guard that is easily
swung up out of the way and does not have the splitter attached to it. IOW,
it is "convenient" to use, and takes seconds to remove and replace.
_I_ use it because I still make a good part of my income playing music
professionally and the integrity of my fingers are too important to my
family for me to not take all reasonable precautions.
I use a standalone, easily removable splitter for the same reasons.
The use, or nonuse, of safety equipment should be a voluntary, personal
decision in a one man shop ... there is not much more that can be said about
the issue.
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"John Siegel" wrote in message
> The discussion of use/non-use of blade guards has been repeated many
> times on this group. One comment that is always made is that factory
> guards are worthless but usually with no further explanation. Would
> someone like to say why they feel the factory guard is so bad.
>
> For what its worth, I do use the guard on my saw for all cuts where it
> is possible. And I can take it off or put it on in just seconds. And
> it is a factory guard.
> John
For non-through cuts, you are correct, both need to be removed. As far as
the type of cuts where one would be used without the other, I often swing my
guard up when cutting narrow strips so that I can get the push stick between
the fence and the blade without the guard getting in the way, but I leave
the splitter in place.
The point I was trying to make is that the splitter will probably save your
butt more often than the guard will, so if you're into using safety devices,
but don't like using a blade guard, it is a good idea to have the two
separate so you can use at least the one device that is statistically more
likely to do you the most good with regard to operating safely.
This is just my take on the issue ... it works for me, but maybe not for
everyone.
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"John Siegel" wrote in message
> Thanks for giving your take on this. A question though. As you say.
> the splitter and guard are one unit so removing the guard removes both.
> However this seems to be a non issue for me. If I only remove the
> guard for non-through cuts (e.g. a dado) it seems to me that I always
> have the splitter when it is needed. Have I missed a cut where one
> would want the splitter but not the guard?
> John
In article <[email protected]>, lramsey@cox-
internet.com says...
> Actually you hane me confused with someone else. I have bragging for
> months on my Bies spreader/spiltter. Check your messages to see who
> you need to address that too.
>
...
According to my newsreader you said:
"I have not heard anyone advise that . I have heard almost everyone
state they THEY are not running one. BIG difference."
That's what I was responding to; just pointing out that a previous
poster, "RM MS", had given exactly the advice 'don't use a guard'.
N.b. I've also got the "good" Bies splitter and it really does work
well.
If
hold the phone, John!
removing the guard doesn't mean you have to remove the splitter. I've
got a Unisaw with the factory splitter/guard. All I had to do was take
out the pin that holds the Lexan guard, and voila, I've got a splitter
only. When I use my sled (or a non-through cut), it takes me about 15
seconds to pull the blade insert off, loosen the guard mounting bolt
under the table, and pivot the guard assembly backwards so that it lies
upside down behind the table. People keep making a big deal out of
doing this. It takes a whole 'nother 15 seconds to put it back in place.
dave
John Siegel wrote:
> Thanks for giving your take on this. A question though. As you say.
> the splitter and guard are one unit so removing the guard removes both.
> However this seems to be a non issue for me. If I only remove the
> guard for non-through cuts (e.g. a dado) it seems to me that I always
> have the splitter when it is needed. Have I missed a cut where one
> would want the splitter but not the guard?
> John
>
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> Probably the single worst attribute of the factory guard is
>> "inconvenience".
>>
>> Most are difficult and/or time consuming to remove and replace ... thus
>> their use is discouraged by the inconvenience of doing so. And once
>> off, the
>> tendency it to leave them off.
>>
>> Also, in many cases, factory guards are an integral part of the
>> splitter, so
>> if you remove one, you remove both.
>>
>> The splitter (or riving knife, as it is known in some countries) is
>> reckoned
>> to be the single best defense against kickback, an occurrence which
>> probably
>> leads to more table saw injuries than any other, particularly for
>> those not
>> used to using a table saw on a regular basis.
>>
>> Some folks blame the factory guards for accidents and say they can't
>> see the
>> blade with one mounted. I've never seen any first hand evidence of that
>> myself, and have yet to see a blade guard I couldn't see the blade
>> through
>> ... but there is a first time for everything.
>>
>> That said, their use should be voluntary in a home shop and certainly
>> left
>> up to the individual.
>>
>> IMO, nonuse in a commercial shop is nothing more than lawyer bait.
>>
>> I personally use an aftermarket, overhead type blade guard that is easily
>> swung up out of the way and does not have the splitter attached to it.
>> IOW,
>> it is "convenient" to use, and takes seconds to remove and replace.
>>
>> _I_ use it because I still make a good part of my income playing music
>> professionally and the integrity of my fingers are too important to my
>> family for me to not take all reasonable precautions.
>>
>> I use a standalone, easily removable splitter for the same reasons.
>>
>> The use, or nonuse, of safety equipment should be a voluntary, personal
>> decision in a one man shop ... there is not much more that can be said
>> about
>> the issue.
>>
>
No, it wasn't you.
"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Someone has said that I said "Trust me, do not use the guard" on a
> tablesaw. If I said that and I find it hard to believe that I did, I
> must have been thinking of something else and my fingers couldn;t
> keep up with my mind (not hard tro do). They beat nothing but there
> are much better alternatives available. Please do use a guard or look
> at the upgrades that are much better. I will say that the Bies is
> ALWAYS on my saw unless I absolutley have to take it off. I have seen
> and been bit by a kickback and it definitely scares me. A 3hp Unisaw
> can do some serious damage. So, use what you have BUT there are better
> altenantives out there.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:48:26 -0500, Ramsey <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Actually you hane me confused with someone else. I have bragging for
> >months on my Bies spreader/spiltter. Check your messages to see who
> >you need to address that too.
> >
> >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:36:28 GMT, Abe <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <[email protected]>, lramsey@cox-
> >>internet.com says...
> >>> I have not heard anyone advise that ...
> >>
> >>But you quoted from a previous post that included this:
> >>
> >>"[A]t no time did I ever see where a guard would have prevented an
> >>injury. More like contributed to it."
> >>
> >>This isn't advice? (And dumb advice at that.)
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Abe
>
Quote from RM MS: " I have worked in professional industrial wood shops
since 1980. Trust
me, DON'T USE THE GUARD".
"Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have not heard anyone advise that . I have heard almost everyone
> state they THEY are not running one. BIG difference.
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:01:48 -0400, "Joe28"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"RM MS" wrote
> >> Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
> >> see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
> >> to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who
the
> >> wannabees are.
> >>
> >This is rec.woodworking. Most readers are hobbists, not pros. You are
> >advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard, if I
> >understand you correctly.
> >
>
Do the letters REC in the heading of this group mean anything to you?
"RM MS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
> wannabees are.
>
Someone has said that I said "Trust me, do not use the guard" on a
tablesaw. If I said that and I find it hard to believe that I did, I
must have been thinking of something else and my fingers couldn;t
keep up with my mind (not hard tro do). They beat nothing but there
are much better alternatives available. Please do use a guard or look
at the upgrades that are much better. I will say that the Bies is
ALWAYS on my saw unless I absolutley have to take it off. I have seen
and been bit by a kickback and it definitely scares me. A 3hp Unisaw
can do some serious damage. So, use what you have BUT there are better
altenantives out there.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:48:26 -0500, Ramsey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Actually you hane me confused with someone else. I have bragging for
>months on my Bies spreader/spiltter. Check your messages to see who
>you need to address that too.
>
>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:36:28 GMT, Abe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, lramsey@cox-
>>internet.com says...
>>> I have not heard anyone advise that ...
>>
>>But you quoted from a previous post that included this:
>>
>>"[A]t no time did I ever see where a guard would have prevented an
>>injury. More like contributed to it."
>>
>>This isn't advice? (And dumb advice at that.)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Abe
I run a 14" Oliver 400V triple phase on a daily basis. Our shop has
guards just to satisfy OSHA or whatever body of nitpickers you have, but
all the guards are easily removable and are ALWAYS in that position. The
way we got around it is by dedicating a couple of second-rate saws to
permanent-guarded status, called them "Roughing Saws" in front of the
Feds, and the other unguarded (and preferred) saws we call "Detail Saws"
in front of the kids. They seemed OK with it.
I run a 14" Oliver 400V triple phase on a daily basis. Our shop has
guards just to satisfy OSHA or whatever body of nitpickers you have, but
all the guards are easily removable and are ALWAYS in that position. The
way we got around it is by dedicating a couple of second-rate saws to
permanent-guarded status, called them "Roughing Saws" in front of the
Feds, and the other unguarded (and preferred) saws we call "Detail Saws"
in front of the kids.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:09:42 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] (RM MS)
wrote:
>Personally, I wear seatbelts at all times in my cars, and so do my wife
>and children and all other passengers, with no exceptions.
I very seldom do. I do sometimes wear mine when there are icy or
rainy conditions. But the car I drive the most has air bags on both
sides.
>But that is
>in an automobile. We are talking about a wood-cutting table saw here. I
>am asking anybody to provide a legitimate example, not hearsay, when a
>so-called blade guard on a table saw EVER enhanced your safety, and not
>impeded your vision and tactile feel of the job. try an angle cut with
>one of those contraptions some time. Spend a couple hours doing nothing
>but cutting up parts, not just thinking about it and then working for
>maybe 25 seconds, in other words, PRODUCE. Then it will be another
>story. Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
>see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
>to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
>wannabees are.
I never use my blade guard. But I ALWAYS wear eye protection. And I
ALWAYS set the blade so that only enough of the blade is exposed to
get the job done.
There are also helmets available...and other bodily protection...for
those who are really concerned about body protection.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:11:39 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>More like, it's so easy to tell who the snobs are in this group, and who the
>people who can actually talk about an issue rationally are.
Exactly. If someone calls you an idiot...he's the snob! lol
Those types of guys can seldom talk rationally...or make any sense
when they do.
Of course, when they AGREE with your ideas, you'll no longer be an
idiot...at least temporarily.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Have a nice week...
Trent
Proud member of the Roy Rogers fan club!
Speaking of talking out one's ass, have you listened to yourself lately?
"RM MS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How many hours do you spend on a saw per day? And for how many years? As
> for lawyer bait, you are talking out your ass, too. I so much enjoy all
> you smart guys running your mouth about how you think it should be.
> Maybe in Dreamland, but not in Real Work World.
>
"RM MS" wrote
> Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
> see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
> to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
> wannabees are.
>
This is rec.woodworking. Most readers are hobbists, not pros. You are
advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard, if I
understand you correctly.
"You are advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard,
if I understand you correctly."
Yes, I certainly am doing just that. I will backpedal a bit on my blade
guard challenge just to sat that MAYBE, just MAYBE, the guard could
prevent a kickback if it had teeth at the bottom, but I wouldn't count
on it. It is still a legislated piece of crap designed not to protect
YOU, the user, but to CYthe A's of the manufacturers. Believe me, if
they were so effective, they'd be as strictly enforced in shops as are
safety glasses requirements, which, by the way, I wholeheartedly believe
in, both because of common sense and a few close calls over the years.
But I will not put blanket endorsement for any fool thing that comes
along, that's just stupid. Use your own sense of discernment for
individual circumstances. I am just saying that after thousands of hours
on saws of all types and sizes, the table saw is safer and more
efficient without the encumbrance of a "blade guard". If somehow it
makes you feel better to work with that thing in the way all the time,
then just be sure to count 'em before and after. Good Luck.
Swingman wrote:
> _I_ use it because I still make a good part of my income playing music
> professionally and the integrity of my fingers are too important to my
> family for me to not take all reasonable precautions.
Lemme guess, with a name like Swingman, you must play either country or
hiphop, right? :)
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Actually you hane me confused with someone else. I have bragging for
months on my Bies spreader/spiltter. Check your messages to see who
you need to address that too.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:36:28 GMT, Abe <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, lramsey@cox-
>internet.com says...
>> I have not heard anyone advise that ...
>
>But you quoted from a previous post that included this:
>
>"[A]t no time did I ever see where a guard would have prevented an
>injury. More like contributed to it."
>
>This isn't advice? (And dumb advice at that.)
>
>Cheers,
>Abe
Hell, I'm as amateur a WW as they come, and I don't use my blade guard.
I DO use the splitter though. I see nothing wrong with the practice [of
NOT using a blade guard] from my standpoint; I maintain that the factory
Delta guard is one of those true PITA's. Like most factory guards.
dave
Joe28 wrote:
> "RM MS" wrote
>
>>Sure, somebody gets cut once in awhile, but at no time did I ever
>>see where a guard would have prevented an injury. More like contributed
>>to it. It is so easy to tell who the pros are in this group and who the
>>wannabees are.
>>
>
> This is rec.woodworking. Most readers are hobbists, not pros. You are
> advising amateurs as well as pros to run without a blade guard, if I
> understand you correctly.
>
>
"Trent©" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:32:16 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
> >>I knew an old gentleman, recently deceased, who had been a barnstorming
> >>pilot in his youth. He believed auto seat belts were unsafe and refused
to
> >>wear one. For him, safety was a matter of skill and performance, not
> >>claptrap constraints. Statistics did not apply to him, he said. Was
he
> >>right or was he wrong?
> >>
> >That depends. Did he die in a car crash?
> >
> >Seriously, though... anyone who thinks that statistics don't apply to
him, is
> >a fool. And so is anyone who believes that auto seat belts are unsafe.
The
> >evidence that seat belts save lives is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to
wear
> >them. It doesn't matter how good a driver you may be, you're still
sharing the
> >road with thousands of reckless morons. To believe that your skill alone
is
> >enough to protect you from them is delusional.
>
> If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
> buses?
>
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
In high mass vehicles, the G's experienced in almost all crashes are
minimal. With a busload of little one, if there was a crash that involved a
need for rapid evacuation, one bus driver would not be able to help them all
out of seatbelts rapidly enough.
The static's for bus riders safety is so good, there has not been a need for
seatbelts, vs. the negatives of seatbelt wearing.
--
Jim in NC
"G.E.R.R.Y." <DON'[email protected]> wrote in message
> If they're so safe, why don't we require them for kids on school
> > buses?
>
> The school bus companies have simply had powerful enough lobbyists
> chanting the mantra that retrofitting all those yellow buses would
> bankrupt them. They have always claimed that the backs of the seats are
> high enough that children will be stopped by them from becoming
> projectiles in an accident. What a crock of sh*t! Strictly bottom-line
> mentality with little or no conscience.
Where I worked a few years ago we made the inserts for the bus seats. They
are designed differently that a car. Inserts in the seat are designed to
cushion in an accident, unlike the steering wheel or dashboard of a car.
More often that you can imagine, passengers in an auto or pickup truck are
ejected and killed after by the impact of the ejection. Had one near us
where a lady got run over by her own car when it whipped around after she
was ejected. School buses do not have doors that to open at each seat.
If you take the time to study the facts, investigate the design, you will
find there are may differences in the effects of a crash when comparing a
bus and car. I can just imagine 35 kiddies whipping seat belt buckles
around. Or the driver trying to unbuckle them to evacuate after a minor
mishap. As for the bottom line, it would be cheaper to put a belt in a seat
rather than the engineering and materials now used. It is not a cost, but
rather a safety factory.
Ed
Michael, why use asaw blade? You won't have THAT much wear on it. Why
not just go to Lowe's and buy a strip of strap steel or plate and
gringit down. Or cut it with your band saw. I would want to put oil on
it when cutting but that is just me. Someone mentioned that you want
it slightly more narrow than your blade BUT if you have/use a 1/4"
kerf, allow for it.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:36:13 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ramsey wrote:
>
>> I think I would try a torch to cut to shape then grind with a hand
>> grinder (4-1/2"). It won't be needing much hardness; I would think
>> that hardness=brittleness.
>
>I don't have a torch...
>
>Well, not one that gets hot enough to cut anything anyway. I don't think
>air/propane is going to do it. :)
>
>Makes dealing with potential heat treatment problematical too. Can't remove
>it, can't put it back. I've read about such things, but I don't have
>anything that gets hot enough.
>
>One of these days....
Ramsey wrote:
> Michael, why use asaw blade? You won't have THAT much wear on it. Why
> not just go to Lowe's and buy a strip of strap steel or plate and
> gringit down. Or cut it with your band saw. I would want to put o
'Cause the saw blade was free. :)
Proved to be pretty much impossible to cut correctly, so now I have a bunch
of weird curvy pieces of saw blade in the trash.
I decided I'm not quite that bored after all, so I just whacked on the old
one until it was closer to being flat, and I'll use it until it annoys me
(ie when I bend it by looking at it funny), at which point it will probably
go back to its dusty place on the shelf under the router table.
A piece of sheet metal would be better, but I'd still have a lot of trouble
cutting the curve. I'll have to think about that some day, when I'm more
bored. :)
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RM MS wrote:
> If you truly cannot bear to toss the saw blade out, chop it up into
> various-sized cabinet scrapers. If you don't know what those are, and
> don't want to say so in public, email me.
Hmmmm... That's actually a good idea. I just got done reading that chapter
in the "Complete Guide to Sharpening" while I was on the can the other day.
Haven't ever made one, nor used one, but it doesn't look like rocket
science. :)
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Send me the blade and I'll send you one back.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:20:24 -0400 (EDT), [email protected] (RM MS)
wrote:
>If you truly cannot bear to toss the saw blade out, chop it up into
>various-sized cabinet scrapers. If you don't know what those are, and
>don't want to say so in public, email me.
adb wrote:
> After glancing through this thread, (last week) I decided "aww, what
> the heck, I'll reinstall mine".
>
> After futzing with it for 10 minutes, cursing half that, I got it on.
> Took one look at the poor alignment between the blade and "splitter",
> pushed up on the pawls and realized they'd leave a nice divot (sp?) on
> _any_thing that went under 'em, I said a few choice words and removed
> the blasted thing.
Funny... Me too. I hadn't looked at the thing in ages, and when I did, I
noticed that it's a "riving knife" which is supposed to be sooo much better
than a standard splitter.
Except it's such a thin, crappy piece of stamped sheet metal that it flops
to one side under its own weight, and like as not, it will interfere with
the cut instead of doing what it's supposed to do.
I do think I should probably keep a riving knife on to prevent the kerf from
closing on the far side, but I think I need to see about manufacturing
myself a new one out of a heavier gauge of steel.
I have a completely defunct saw blade and a metal-cutting bandsaw... Are
saw blades hardened? Could I cut it up to fit, using the old one as a
template, and then grind an edge on the splitting bit of it, or would the
metal just chew the teeth off my bandsaw? (I have a 28 TPI blade, I think.
It's an extremely fine-toothed blade...)
Seems like a halfway decent idea, actually, since the two blades are pretty
much the same thickness, and it's a free source of suitable sheet metal.
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Man, you could use aluminum, believe it or not, just as long as it is
just a little thinner than the Circular saw blade. Why would you even
bother with something as thin as a band saw blade? Another tip: if you
think the piece is closing up on you, slow down and shut off the damn
saw and knock a wedge, screw, nail, any darn thing you got to keep the
crack open. You already goofed anyways. Don't tell me I am full of it;
if the blade is straight and sharp, you can re-start with no problem.
They usually only close up anyway if the blade is gummy or dull and
heating up, or if the wood is crappy or not dressed flat first, or if
the blade angle or fence is off true. Admit it.
RM MS wrote:
> Man, you could use aluminum, believe it or not, just as long as it is
> just a little thinner than the Circular saw blade. Why would you even
> bother with something as thin as a band saw blade? Another tip: if you
No, it's a 10" saw blade that I was thinking about _cutting_ with a bandsaw,
because I happen to have a metal-cutting bandsaw and a useless saw blade.
I hit a nail with the blade, and mangled the carbide teeth very badly. It's
not worth repairing, so this seemed like a reasonable use for the thing in
an idle moment of contemplation.
> They usually only close up anyway if the blade is gummy or dull and
> heating up, or if the wood is crappy or not dressed flat first, or if
> the blade angle or fence is off true. Admit it.
I've never really had a problem, except with the damn splitter getting out
of whack and screwing up my cuts, incidentally. I can see where it's a
good idea though, and I've been absolutely bored out of my mind lately
trying to come up with a new project to do on a budget of $0.00, so making
a new splitter out of the old saw blade sounds like a fine way to kill
time, even if I never install the thing. :)
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I never use mine. threw it away first week I owned it. Bought a Bies
spreader/splitter since I do worry about safety and never looked back.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:42:17 GMT, Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net>
wrote:
>Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
>many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
>I very rarely use mine.
>
Dave, I have to side with whazhizname. I think I had a kickback once
or twice because of the blade guard. It kept the piece of wood from
going on out the side.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:02:51 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>you've got one HELL of a chip on your stubby shoulder. In point of
>fact, the guard was the cause of the kickback. You just don't know
>enough about WW equipment like table saws, to recognize that
>possibility. Now shoo, you're bothering me.
>
>dave
>
>Rich wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> babbled...
>>
>>>I got a kickback BECAUSE of the blade guard.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sure it couldn't have been the fact that you don't know what you're
>> doing. You also forgot to mention that your tall.
>>
>> Please followup your post with a reply to yourself.
Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net> wrote:
>Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
>many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
>I very rarely use mine.
I plan to put mine on before I use the saw again. DAMHIKT
Wes
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took mine off my Unisaw about the 3rd time I fired it up. I got a
kickback BECAUSE of the blade guard. It tweaked a small piece right into
the blade, due to the uneven pressure it exerted downward. Much safer
without it. I DO use the splitter though!
dave
Jim K wrote:
> Not to troll or anything -- and I'm already dodging flames, but how
> many use/don't use the blade guard on their table saw? I must confess
> I very rarely use mine.
>
>