Hello everyone,
I have a problem with the crown moulding on the corner cabinet in my parents
kitchen that I am redoing for them.
http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cornercab.jpg
I did not want to face nail anything, so the crown moulding was screwed to
the top of the corner cabinet from behind before the cabinet was hung. I
just have it in place temporarily for now while I decide what to do. In the
picture, the cabinet is level in all three planes. But, as you can see, I
have a little problem where the level crown meets an awfully unlevel
ceiling.
What do I do?
I thought of scribing the crown to the ceiling, but too much of the profile
would be lost and I think it would look stupid.
My brother suggested that I hang the cabinet crooked so that I have as much
of the crown against the ceiling as possible. No.
My Dad suggested that I take the crown off and face nail it so that it is
more flush to the ceiling. This would require bizarre angles and bevels for
the 45º corners as well as look funny when the gap between the crown and the
face frame (and soon doors) tapers.
Leave it?
A case of caulk? I do think this is the answer, a nice cove bead of flexible
latex caulk that is then painted to match the ceiling.
What would you do?
Thanks,
David.
>maybe some of each.
>
>you can set the crown in place with hot glue as a temporary connection
>until you can bring the cabinet down and get the screws in.
>
>might be time to get one of them headless pinners...
>
>shift the molding a little, not so much that the door reveals will
>look tapered. you may even be able to compensate a little in the door
>hinges.
>
>shave a little from the crown, not so much that the profile looks
>tapered.
>
>caulk what remains of the gap.
>
>
>
>the eye will forgive inconsistencies in the ceiling before it will
>forgive bad woodwork, so take most of it at the ceiling.
>
>
>nice work!
one more thing: don't try to make up a really big gap with caulking
alone. fair the ceiling out with drywall mud first. mask you woodwork
and anything else that is in splatter range....
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a problem with the crown moulding on the corner cabinet in my parents
> kitchen that I am redoing for them.
>
> http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cornercab.jpg
>
> I did not want to face nail anything, so the crown moulding was screwed to
> the top of the corner cabinet from behind before the cabinet was hung. I
> just have it in place temporarily for now while I decide what to do. In the
> picture, the cabinet is level in all three planes. But, as you can see, I
> have a little problem where the level crown meets an awfully unlevel
> ceiling.
>
> What do I do?
>
> I thought of scribing the crown to the ceiling, but too much of the profile
> would be lost and I think it would look stupid.
>
> My brother suggested that I hang the cabinet crooked so that I have as much
> of the crown against the ceiling as possible. No.
>
> My Dad suggested that I take the crown off and face nail it so that it is
> more flush to the ceiling. This would require bizarre angles and bevels for
> the 45º corners as well as look funny when the gap between the crown and the
> face frame (and soon doors) tapers.
>
> Leave it?
>
> A case of caulk? I do think this is the answer, a nice cove bead of flexible
> latex caulk that is then painted to match the ceiling.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
David, caulk would be fine in this case, the pics look like you have
1/4" or so gap.If you want to do it with caulk do this. Scribe a piece
of 1x2 wood the same specie as the crown, fasten to ceiling so it over
hangs the crown 5/8". This piece can be left square or you could rout
a profile such as a small roundover.The scribed pieces should be
level.These pieces can be added after cabinet is installed or before
and the cabinet goes up to it.
This is how I install crown on old plaster ceilings that are out of
line.
mike
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a problem with the crown moulding on the corner cabinet in my parents
> kitchen that I am redoing for them.
>
> http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cornercab.jpg
David:
When I run into a celing like this when I am hanging kitchen cabs, I
usually mark the low part of the sheetrock where the cab is hitting
and take about an eight out of the sheetrock from the place it hits to
nothing where it is open.
Push that cabinet up hard and run a screw from inside the top of the
cabinet (carefully... some of the cab tops are so thin you can't) to
suck it up. You can also drill a pilot hole into the rail after
carefully laying out the joist location and run a 3" - 3 1/2" through
the rail and into the joist.
That will take most of it out. Caulk the rest. If your ceilings are
white, especially if they are white, if you caulk them evenly, a
little less caulk where the trim goes a little into the sheetrock, and
a little more where you are a little low so that you have about the
same reveal on the trim, no one will notice. I do this a lot with
hanging island cabinets with NO trim.
Good luck!
Robert
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:51:21 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>A case of caulk? I do think this is the answer, a nice cove bead of flexible
>latex caulk that is then painted to match the ceiling.
>
>What would you do?
First and foremost, paint the walls to match the ceiling.
Then I'd finish and hang the cabinet, then caulk/paint the
caulk to match the ceiling if necessary.
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Maybe this? Can you still get to the heads of the screws on the inside? It
looks like they would be below the cabinet top panel. If so, take the
cabinet down and slot the holes for the screws. Put the molding back on and
lightly snug the screws. Place cabinet back in place on the wall, push the
molding up into contact with ceiling, reach inside cabinet and tighten
screws. You should be able to do all this without messing with the corner
miters. The molding will just twist a little bit which should not be
visible when all is complete. You will need a good glue joint on the
miters.
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http://www.billpounds.com
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a problem with the crown moulding on the corner cabinet in my
parents
> kitchen that I am redoing for them.
>
> http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cornercab.jpg
>
> I did not want to face nail anything, so the crown moulding was screwed to
> the top of the corner cabinet from behind before the cabinet was hung. I
> just have it in place temporarily for now while I decide what to do. In
the
> picture, the cabinet is level in all three planes. But, as you can see, I
> have a little problem where the level crown meets an awfully unlevel
> ceiling.
>
> What do I do?
>
> I thought of scribing the crown to the ceiling, but too much of the
profile
> would be lost and I think it would look stupid.
>
> My brother suggested that I hang the cabinet crooked so that I have as
much
> of the crown against the ceiling as possible. No.
>
> My Dad suggested that I take the crown off and face nail it so that it is
> more flush to the ceiling. This would require bizarre angles and bevels
for
> the 45º corners as well as look funny when the gap between the crown and
the
> face frame (and soon doors) tapers.
>
> Leave it?
>
> A case of caulk? I do think this is the answer, a nice cove bead of
flexible
> latex caulk that is then painted to match the ceiling.
>
> What would you do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
>
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:51:21 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I have a problem with the crown moulding on the corner cabinet in my parents
>kitchen that I am redoing for them.
>
>http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/cornercab.jpg
>
>I did not want to face nail anything, so the crown moulding was screwed to
>the top of the corner cabinet from behind before the cabinet was hung. I
>just have it in place temporarily for now while I decide what to do. In the
>picture, the cabinet is level in all three planes. But, as you can see, I
>have a little problem where the level crown meets an awfully unlevel
>ceiling.
>
>What do I do?
>
>I thought of scribing the crown to the ceiling, but too much of the profile
>would be lost and I think it would look stupid.
>
>My brother suggested that I hang the cabinet crooked so that I have as much
>of the crown against the ceiling as possible. No.
>
>My Dad suggested that I take the crown off and face nail it so that it is
>more flush to the ceiling. This would require bizarre angles and bevels for
>the 45º corners as well as look funny when the gap between the crown and the
>face frame (and soon doors) tapers.
>
>Leave it?
>
>A case of caulk? I do think this is the answer, a nice cove bead of flexible
>latex caulk that is then painted to match the ceiling.
>
>What would you do?
>
>Thanks,
>
>David.
>
maybe some of each.
you can set the crown in place with hot glue as a temporary connection
until you can bring the cabinet down and get the screws in.
might be time to get one of them headless pinners...
shift the molding a little, not so much that the door reveals will
look tapered. you may even be able to compensate a little in the door
hinges.
shave a little from the crown, not so much that the profile looks
tapered.
caulk what remains of the gap.
the eye will forgive inconsistencies in the ceiling before it will
forgive bad woodwork, so take most of it at the ceiling.
nice work!
In article <[email protected]>,
"David F. Eisan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/katholdcab.jpg
HEY! I could use one of them there cabinet jacqs... whereja pick 'er up?
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Thanks everyone for your input, I ended up lowering the cabinet. I had my
friend raise and lower the corner cabinet until we settled on a gap of 1"
being the correct amount to lower the cabinet. I like the shadow line and
the 1"-1-1/4" side to side taper between the ceiling and the crown moulding
cannot be seen.
http://www.federatedtool.com/david/img/katholdcab.jpg
David.