My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
Indianapolis.
(Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
in the tomb.)
Photos of the completed project here:
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
Project concept, design, and management by my son.
Scrollsaw work by my wife.
Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
<www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
used in this project.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
> all day with endless guilt?
>
Neither. A great sage once said: "There are four things on which one should
not dwell: What came before and what will come after, what is above and what
is below."
The simple reason for this admonition is that one cannot influence the
hereafter. One can, however, do something today to make this a better world.
Speaking of Boys Scouts acheivements...
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071909WAB-scouts-save-life-SW.589eac0f.html
This happened locally within the last few days. I bet there are some proud
mothers and fathers on this one. An example of a training exercise suddenly
turning into the real thing.
On 2009-07-19, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School.......
Chrystonacrutch! ...that's one heckuva project. Your son did an amazing
job and definitely earned his Eagle badge.
Not quite sure why my linux box wouldn't play the photobucket slideshow in
any one of my three browsers (crash or blk screen), but here's the link to
view it manually:
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/
nb
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
Lovely work, Doug. Please pass my congratulations to your son and his
troop.
djb
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:34:55 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>-snip-
>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
>Jim
Have you ever wondered why the LM was named "Eagle"?
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Jul 19, 9:22=A0am, Some Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
> > >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today:
> > >> > construction and installation of the Stations of the
> > >> > Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>
> I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
> etc.
>
> What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
>
> > >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>
> > >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>
> > Was that really necessary?
>
> Why was this even posted to alt.home.repair?
>
> If your choice of newsgroups is not appropriate, then you can expect to
> get some flack.
>
> What the hell is comp.sys.tandem?
>
> None of these groups are appropriate for the OP.
>
> Are there no scouting groups?
the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy" moment
with his friends. If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove your
stupidity!
WOW! Eagle Scout....that will open doors for your son the rest of his
life and a wonderful foundation to build upon. Good Job DAD!
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
> things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
What have you been doing to improve the afterlife of the thousands of
innocent souls tortured and murdered during the Inquisition?
Some Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>mike from American Sycamore wrote:
>
>> the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy"
>> moment with his friends.
>
>That's what e-mail is for.
And this group. If you've been around here awhile, you will know such postings
are generally welcome.
>
>> If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
>> is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove
>> your stupidity!
>
>I don't know what usenet you read, but calling me stupid for calling
>people on off-topic posts is just ignorant
Then you'll know self appointed net police are discouraged everywhere on
Usenet.
>- you fucking piece of
>shit. You want to start spouting verbal abuse at me, I'll come right
>back at you.
That's class. One bit of bad manners does not justify another.
-- Doug
"Ed Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Congrats from a long time Scouter and the father of two Eagles.
>
>I have been told that the only two activities specifically asked about on
>the application to any Military academy are "Are you an Eagle Scout, Did you
>attend Boys State?"
Some years ago, I was chatting with a Scout who was just back from his first
semester at the Air Force Academy. I asked him if it gave him an edge, being
an Eagle. He said "Nah. It's pretty much expected." -- Doug
Doug Miller wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:43:32 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Douglas Johnson wrote:
>
>> Some Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>mike from American Sycamore wrote:
>>>
>>>> the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy"
>>>> moment with his friends.
>>>
>>>That's what e-mail is for.
>>
>> And this group. If you've been around here awhile, you will know such
>> postings are generally welcome.
>>
>>>
>>>> If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
>>>> is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove
>>>> your stupidity!
>>>
>>>I don't know what usenet you read, but calling me stupid for calling
>>>people on off-topic posts is just ignorant
>>
>> Then you'll know self appointed net police are discouraged everywhere on
>> Usenet.
>>
>>>- you fucking piece of
>>>shit. You want to start spouting verbal abuse at me, I'll come right
>>>back at you.
>>
>> That's class. One bit of bad manners does not justify another.
>>
>> -- Doug
>Now you know why I stopped visiting alt.home.repair
Yeah. Maybe one of them knows how to hook up a fart fan and get the
stink out of here.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Jul 19, 8:02=A0pm, Tanus <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ri=
tter
> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> > Indianapolis.
>
> > (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional inten=
ded to
> > encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It co=
nsists
> > of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginnin=
g with
> > his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body bein=
g laid
> > in the tomb.)
>
> > Photos of the completed project here:
> >http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=3Dslid.=
..
>
> > Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> > Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> > Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer help=
ers.
> > Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> > <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lu=
mber
> > used in this project.
>
> First of all, congratulations to A.J. =A0especially, but also to you and
> Mrs. Miller, as well as the volunteers who helped with this thing. It
> takes a lot of perseverence to see something like that all the way
> through, so kudos to all of you.
>
> I don't know much about Eagle Scouts, but from what I've read they are
> kids who have a special knack for seeing things through, as this project
> indicates.
>
> I do, however, know a bit about Catholics, and it's an area I chose to
> leave a lot of years ago for reasons no one cares about except me. At
> this point in my life, I'm either an apathetic agnostic or an aging
> atheist - take your pick. The key A word there is apathetic. I just
> don't much care one way or the other. This, BTW is not the start of a
> discussion on that. Engage me on it, and I'll just ignore it.
>
> What does straigten out my pubes tho is evangelising on both sides of
> that believer/atheist line. Some days I think the atheists or agnostics
> are worse than the evangelical nutbars that are out to save the world
> with their "true" faith.
>
> Doug Miller and his family are not ramming religion or Catholicism down
> your throats. Doug explained the meaning of the project within the
> church and left it at that. =A0They did something that has merit, took
> time and effort and conquered boredom and fatigue. 14 stations is a hell
> of a lot of work. It's certainly not OT for the Wreck, and I guess it
> got cross posted for Doug's other interests.
>
> Comments decrying the Catholic Church and religion in this context are
> rude, inconsiderate and off topic in themselves. Comments like that
> indicate your own insecurities and generally tend to bring the bar down
> in a discusson group. "Tend", I say because the other tendency when that
> happens is that assholes get a new one reamed by the other folks who are
> as offended by those kinds of remarks as I am.
>
> Generally, Doug and his family got great responses from people who more
> or less left the religion thing alone, which is how it should be.
>
> But some folks just gotta shit on other people's shoes.
>
> Sorry for the long post.
Ditto to everything Tanus said. Congratulations to AJ and all the
others involved in the project. And Doug has reason to be proud.
Luigi
Doug Miller wrote:
> >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today:
> >> > construction and installation of the Stations of the
> >> > Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
etc.
What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
> >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
> >
> >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>
> Was that really necessary?
Why was this even posted to alt.home.repair?
If your choice of newsgroups is not appropriate, then you can expect to
get some flack.
What the hell is comp.sys.tandem?
None of these groups are appropriate for the OP.
Are there no scouting groups?
mike from American Sycamore wrote:
> the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy"
> moment with his friends.
That's what e-mail is for.
> If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
> is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove
> your stupidity!
I don't know what usenet you read, but calling me stupid for calling
people on off-topic posts is just ignorant - you fucking piece of
shit. You want to start spouting verbal abuse at me, I'll come right
back at you.
Some Guy wrote:
> I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
> etc.
>
> What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
You cannot be in Boy Scouts if you don't "believe." You have to be
'loyal and reverent to God' but they don't tell you which god to believe
in, and you don't have to believe in a supreme being, and "believe" is
very subjective. It's very much "don't ask, don't tell" for atheists and
agnostics. You can believe in Satan, Buddha, or Barack Obama as god. I
remember the Cubmaster in my son's Cub Scout pack trying to avoid any of
the religious aspects for fear of offending non-believers, until one of
the believers explained to him that "believing" was required by BSA. Our
pack was diverse, with Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, but was
mostly non-believers that simply didn't talk about it.
The sponsoring organization of my son's old pack and previous troop is a
church that used to do good work in the community, including hosting a
county senior lunch program, until the church board changed and someone
got upset that the county would not allow proselytizing of the lunch
program participants. They shut down the program with only a few days
notice. If they knew how many non-believers were in the Cub Scout and
Boy Scout units they sponsor then they'd probably throw them out as well.
I was talking to a leader of a Venture Crew (Boy Scout's Coed
organization for 14-20 year olds) and he said that it's just not going
to happen to separate scouting from religion because the Mormon church
is very powerful in the scouting organization and they oppose it. Ditto
for admitting gays.
There's a misconception that an Eagle Scout project has to be beneficial
to the community. In fact, it's more of a project management
achievement, and it doesn't matter what the project is or if it benefits
society, as long as it's done to completion meeting certain criteria. A
project that benefits a church is acceptable.
It's all rather sad that scouting requires boys to ignore science and
embrace made-up fantasies in order to participate. Actually it just
teaches them, early in life, that they have to lie about certain things.
The U.S. is pretty unique in terms of the way scouting is run. In other
countries it's usually co-ed and non-discriminatory.
Chuck wrote:
> For what it is worth, I have been the Scout Master in 3 different
> troops. Each sponsored differently.
> First on was sponsored by the Lions Club
> Second one by the Catholic Church
> Third by the local VFW.
> Religion was seldom mentioned
Yeah, that's the best way. If on one side, no one makes a big deal out
of proclaiming that they're an agnostic or atheist, and on the other
side the sponsoring organization doesn't push religion, then everything
works out okay. It's when someone feels the need to complain about
hypocrisy that things escalate out of control.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> That's okay, too. Just if one goes to a religious sponsored group,
>> they shouldn't act surprised and upset if it comes up.
>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that a lot of people here without any experience with the
>>> scouts are talking about things they know nothing about.
>>>
>> On Usenet. Impossible. (g).
>>
>> --
>> Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
>> of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
>> Jimmy Buffett
>
>Kurt,
>I really was not responding to you. Some of the other posts are pretty
>incredible. I had resisted posting before.
>
>The kids went to have fun. We canoed in white water, rock climbed, back pack
>camped and so on. I don't understand why a bunch of adults don't understand
>that.
>
>I wonder how many of us could survive Philmont? :-)
Been there, done that, got the eagle ('76).
Scouting has changed in the 30 years since - much more religious
than it used to be.
scott
Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, that's the best way. If on one side, no one makes a big deal out
>> of proclaiming that they're an agnostic or atheist, and on the other
>> side the sponsoring organization doesn't push religion, then everything
>> works out okay. It's when someone feels the need to complain about
>> hypocrisy that things escalate out of control.
>
> a I have no problems with sponsoring organization pushing religion if it
> is a religious organization.
The issue is that it doesn't matter which organization sponsors the
troop, it's open to anyone that wants to join. So it wouldn't be
acceptable for the organization, if it was a church, to be proselytizing
for their particular religion. The sponsor generally just provides a
room to use, though even that isn't guaranteed. The pack my son was in
was sponsored by a Presbyterian church, a fact I wasn't even aware of
for four years because we met at a school that we got to use for free
because one of the teachers had a boy in the pack. When the teacher's
son aged out of Cub Scouts we needed to find a room, and that's when we
approached the sponsor.
Some packs and troops do have some religious aspect by default. The
troops sponsored by the synagogue don't have outings on Friday night or
Saturday. The Moslem and Jewish troops don't allow certain food items to
be used for group cooking.
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> The church never pushed it's doctrine.
My experience has been more with the parents pushing for the religious
aspect, especially in "Scout's Own" which happens to almost always occur
on Sunday mornings.
> Scouting is about citizenship, preparedness, and helping others, just basic
> good stewardship.
IMVAIO, that's _all_ that it should be about. How god ever got involved
is a mystery. But god seems to get involved in a lot of things.
"http://www.reverent-scout.net/reverent-scout/Scouts_Own.htm"
In any case, it looks like a good Eagle Scout project, one of the better
one's I've seen done. I like Eagle Scout projects that actually build
something creative. Some of the projects in my son's old troop were
beneficial, but pretty lame, i.e. repairing some bleachers at a school.
On Jul 18, 8:05=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritt=
er
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intende=
d to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It cons=
ists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning =
with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being =
laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/u=
u355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=3Dslid...
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helper=
s.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumb=
er
> used in this project.
On Jul 22, 6:40=A0pm, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 8:05=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ri=
tter
> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> > Indianapolis.
>
> > (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional inten=
ded to
> > encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It co=
nsists
> > of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginnin=
g with
> > his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body bein=
g laid
> > in the tomb.)
>
> > Photos of the completed project here:http://s663.photobucket.com/albums=
/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=3Dslid...
>
> > Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> > Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> > Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer help=
ers.
> > Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> > <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lu=
mber
> > used in this project.
100 posts and well deserved. Not many make rank of Eagle and those
who do deserve congratulations.
Congratulations!!!
RonB
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:05:50 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>Indianapolis.
>
>(Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
>encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
>of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
>his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
>in the tomb.)
>
>Photos of the completed project here:
>http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
>Project concept, design, and management by my son.
>Scrollsaw work by my wife.
>Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
>Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
><www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
>used in this project.
>
Outstanding!
Attaining Eagle is a magnificent accomplishment.
Congratulations.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Smitty Two wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty
>> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>>>>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>>>>> Ritter
>>>>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>>>>> Indianapolis.
>>>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>>> And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>> Was that really necessary?
>
> I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
> absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
Hmmm,
Good for you. I am a catholic. Having a religion is not that important.
Having a faith is. Sounds like you are not old enough. You are in
control, Eh? Einstein said?
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:34:55 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>-snip-
>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
>Jim
Not all Eagles go on to greatness. But many who go on to greatness
are Eagles. A quick Google search lists these:
Bill Alexander, U.S. Representative from Arkansas
Gary Anderson, U.S. Representative from New York
Charles Bennett, U.S. Representative from Florida
William Bennett, Former Secretary of Education
Bill Bradley, Pro basketball star and U.S. Sneator from New Jersey
Milton Caniff, Comic Strip Artist "Steve Canyon"
Willaim Dannemeyer, U.S. Representative from California
Gerald Ford, 38th President of the U.S.
Murphy J. "Mike" Foster, Governor of Louisiana
James Lovell - Astronaut
Richard Lugar, U.S. Senator from Indiana
Sam Nunn, U.S. Senator from Georgia
Ellison Onizuka, Challenger Astronaut
J.J. Pickle, U.S. Representative from Texas
Samuel Pierce, Former Secreatry of HUD
Harrison Salisbury, Pulitzer Prize winning Author
Willaim Sessions, Former FBI Director
Steven Spielberg, Film Director/Producer
Wallace Stegner, Pulitzer Prize winning Author
Percy Sutton, Chairman of CBS
John Tesh, TV Celebrity
James Stewart - Actor
James Brady, Former Press Secretary to President Reagan
William C. DeVries, M.D., Transplanted first artificial heart
Walter Cronkite - Journalist, T.V. commentator
J. Willard Marriott, Jr., President, Marriott Corporation
H. Ross Perot, Chairman, EDS Corp.
Daniel J. Evans, Former US Senator and Governor of Washington state
Reply-to address is real
John
Smitty Two wrote:
>
> I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
> absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
Hmm. "I consider myself a monothiest of the Hebrew persuasion." Sir Issac
Newton.
And it's not the religion that's insane, it's some of the people who
practice it.
'Course all this was settled in the 13th Century by Thomas Aquinas ("Summa
Theologica" for the Christians), Maimonides ("Guide for the Perplexed" for
the Jews), and Abu al-Walid Muhammad Ibn Rushid ("The Great Commentary" for
the Muslims).
You really should keep up.
On 7/19/09 12:34 PM, "Smitty Two" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
> absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
And most statistics are made up. Where does that 93% come from? Can you cite
any reputable sources?
Most of the scientists that I know feel that the beautiful logic of the
universe can only be explained by a Creator. They don't always have much
interest in organized religions but they do believe.
On 7/18/09 9:05 PM, "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
Looks like quite a nice Eagle project (and I see many of them). Also the
photos show it off well.
Give him our congratulations. And a well done to Mom and Dad.
Has he had his Board of Review yet?
--
Bob Haar
BSA T-188, Rochester Hills, MI
District Advancement Committee, Ojibwa District, Clinton Valley Council
"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> That's okay, too. Just if one goes to a religious sponsored group,
> they shouldn't act surprised and upset if it comes up.
>
>>
>> It seems to me that a lot of people here without any experience with the
>> scouts are talking about things they know nothing about.
>>
> On Usenet. Impossible. (g).
>
> --
> Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
> of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
> Jimmy Buffett
Kurt,
I really was not responding to you. Some of the other posts are pretty
incredible. I had resisted posting before.
The kids went to have fun. We canoed in white water, rock climbed, back pack
camped and so on. I don't understand why a bunch of adults don't understand
that.
I wonder how many of us could survive Philmont? :-)
At one time, I bled Boy Scout Khaki.
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:44:53 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -snip-
>>>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>>> and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>>>
>>> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>> Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of them is an
>> Eagle Scout.
>>
>
> A quick look at Wikipedia casts doubt on that. Wiki would love the
> corrections if you've got them.
> I checked mostly because I didn't think a dozen astronauts had walked
> on the moon-- then once I was there. . . .
>
> Armstrong & Duke -Eagle
> Mitchell & Scott - Life
>
> No mention of scouting-
> Aldrin, Conrad, Bean, Shepard, Irwin, Young, Cernan, Schmitt
>
> I don't doubt that a lot of Eagle scouts have done well. There are a
> couple million of them, more or less, so it is likely that lots of
> them did well. [chances are that as a cross section of society, they
> counted among the more privileged class so we should expect them to do
> better than average]
>
> But how do they rate against their peers? It would take a real
> effort to sort them out, take a sample and compare their futures-- but
> if we're just going to cite random scouts-- I've known 3 in my life.
> 1 was a good man, though outside of scouting you wouldn't call him
> remarkable.
>
> 2 others were not. They didn't do as poorly as Eagle scouts Lee
> Harvey Oswald, or serial killer scouts Robinson & Whitman, - but they
> were general ne'er do wells.
>
> Jim
The Army loves to hire Eagle scouts, especially those that made to the
Scout conventions and remote-area camping events. Much of the stuff they
teach in basic and even in OCS has already been addressed, so the
official military training is usually a breeze for them. Most of the big
Army bases historically have had a very friendly relationship with the
Scouts, although there has been some flack lately due to the Scouts
allegedly discriminating against some kids of non-mainstream religious
beliefs or unacceptable lifestyles.
--
aem sends...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I was asking for acute angle. I had to lose some wait, cause
> I was considered obtuse.
Sorry if I was confusing. Let me restate.
I come from a tradition that teaches good works are good for their own sake,
not as an entrance fee to the hereafter and that was the message I was
trying to convey. My tradition teaches that dwelling on the hereafter takes
time and effort away from these good works and is, therefore, discouraged.
On the other hand, if someone's faith holds that one earns entrance in the
world to come by doing good deeds, that's okay with me - the good gets done
and I'm not too anal about the motivation.
On the other, other, hand, there is at least one religion that provides
entrance to paradise is achieved principally by expanding the reach of the
religion. If this reach is achieved by forcibly imposing the doctrine or
killing apostates, infidels, and non-believers, that earns the actor a
ticket in first class. And maybe even virgins.
Point is, if one's motivation is driven solely by a desire to enter a better
place, the worldly results of that desire can be quite wicked.
"Tony Hwang" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sounds like you are not old enough. You are in control, Eh? Einstein said?
You're probably right. Religion is dying out with the older generations. The
younger ones have a hard time believing in ghosts, goblins and magic.
"Some Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>> > Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>> > and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
> Yea, I was wondering the same thing.
>
> It's something many parents would like to believe.
In addition to many in leadership positions, there seems to be a
disproportionate number of serial killers among Eagle Scouts. Richard Angelo
and Charles Whitman being but two examples.
On 2009-07-19, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> That is odd, mine played it fine. Firefox, it may be a Flash Player plugin
> problem. Showing Flash Player 10 using Firefox Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux
> i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20080703 Mandriva/2.0.0.18-1.1mdv2008.0
> (2008.0) Firefox/2.0.0.18,
I figured it out. Not enough memory.
I'm running rv 1.9.0.4 w/ flash 10, but I only have 512M RAM. Last night I
was also ssh'd into a headless server with remote xwindows running when I
ran the photobucket site. No doubt just overwhelmed my RAM. I've noticed
FF and Seamonkey have become more bloated and memory hungry over the last
few years. If you run heavy client-side scripts, like slideshows or
youtube, without enough memory, FF will just crash. This morning, free of
the ssh/xwindow connect, the photobucket slide show runs just fine.
nb
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> I was asking for acute angle. I had to lose some wait, cause
>> I was considered obtuse.
>
> Sorry if I was confusing. Let me restate.
>
> I come from a tradition that teaches good works are good for their own
> sake, not as an entrance fee to the hereafter and that was the message
> I was trying to convey. My tradition teaches that dwelling on the
> hereafter takes time and effort away from these good works and is,
> therefore, discouraged.
>
> On the other hand, if someone's faith holds that one earns entrance in
> the world to come by doing good deeds, that's okay with me - the good
> gets done and I'm not too anal about the motivation.
>
> On the other, other, hand, there is at least one religion that
> provides entrance to paradise is achieved principally by expanding the
> reach of the religion. If this reach is achieved by forcibly imposing
> the doctrine or killing apostates, infidels, and non-believers, that
> earns the actor a ticket in first class. And maybe even virgins.
>
> Point is, if one's motivation is driven solely by a desire to enter a
> better place, the worldly results of that desire can be quite wicked.
I am more of an agnostic, but still believe in the performance of good
works (or whatever name you'd give it) as an end in itself. Even
helping the ltlle old lady across the street she wants to cross is a
good deed, although there are and should be "bigger" things to strive
for. The abuse of virgins is just that - abuse. Even the thought
should be abhorrent, unless the virgin really wants to shed the
appellation.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Chuck <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> For what it is worth, I have been the Scout Master in 3 different
> troops. Each sponsored differently.
> First on was sponsored by the Lions Club
> Second one by the Catholic Church
> Third by the local VFW.
> Religion was seldom mentioned
Don't ask don't tell?
"The Daring Dufas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -snip-
>>>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in
>>>> life and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>>
>> Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of them
>> is an Eagle Scout.
>>
>> Good enough for me.
>
> How many of them were able to light a campfire
> on the Moon? *snicker*
>
> TDD
Six.
Some Guy wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today:
>>>>> construction and installation of the Stations of the
>>>>> Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>
> I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
> etc.
>
> What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
>
You were wrong, as you would have seen by even a cursory examination of the
requirements for elevation to Eagle Scout:
"While a Life Scout, plan, develop, and give leadership to others in a
service project helpful to any religious institution, school, or community.
(The project should benefit an organization other than Boy Scouting.) The
project idea must be approved by the organization benefiting from the
effort, your Scoutmaster and troop committee and the council or district
before you start."
"Jim Elbrecht" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> -snip-
>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in
>>life
>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
> Jim
I did see some information years ago. Many of our great achievers in this
country were Eagle Scouts.
http://www.scoutorama.com/eagle/eag_famous.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eagle_Scouts_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)
Another list; nine out of ten is not bad
This is a list of the top 10 most influential people who received the Eagle
Scout award. (This list is in no particular order)
1. Gerald Ford, 38th President of the U.S.
2. Michael F. Moore, Academy Award-winning documentary filmmaker
3. Neil Armstrong, First man on the moon
4. James Lovell - Astronaut
5. Steven Spielberg, Film Director/Producer
6. William C. DeVries, M.D., Transplanted first artificial heart
7. J. Willard Marriott, Jr., President, Marriott Corporation
8. Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City
9. Bill Gates, Sr., CEO of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, father
of Microsoft founder Bill Gates
10. Mike Rowe, Host of "Dirty Jobs" on the Discovery Channel
Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:34:55 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>-snip-
>>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>>
>>
>>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>>
>>Jim
>
>
>
>
>http://www.macscouter.com/usscouts/eagle/eagleastronauts.asp
This list shows that it is not true. Sigh. It shows that John Young (Apollo
16) was a second class scout, Buzz Aldrin (Apollo 11) was a Tenderfoot, among
others that walked on the moon, but were not Eagles. -- Doug
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:44:53 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>-snip-
>>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>>
>>
>>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
>Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of them is an
>Eagle Scout.
>
A quick look at Wikipedia casts doubt on that. Wiki would love the
corrections if you've got them.
I checked mostly because I didn't think a dozen astronauts had walked
on the moon-- then once I was there. . . .
Armstrong & Duke -Eagle
Mitchell & Scott - Life
No mention of scouting-
Aldrin, Conrad, Bean, Shepard, Irwin, Young, Cernan, Schmitt
I don't doubt that a lot of Eagle scouts have done well. There are a
couple million of them, more or less, so it is likely that lots of
them did well. [chances are that as a cross section of society, they
counted among the more privileged class so we should expect them to do
better than average]
But how do they rate against their peers? It would take a real
effort to sort them out, take a sample and compare their futures-- but
if we're just going to cite random scouts-- I've known 3 in my life.
1 was a good man, though outside of scouting you wouldn't call him
remarkable.
2 others were not. They didn't do as poorly as Eagle scouts Lee
Harvey Oswald, or serial killer scouts Robinson & Whitman, - but they
were general ne'er do wells.
Jim
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended
> to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It
> consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning
> with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being
> laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer
> helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
> lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
George wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
>>> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
>>> all day with endless guilt?
>>>
>>
>> Neither. A great sage once said: "There are four things on which one
>> should not dwell: What came before and what will come after, what is
>> above and what is below."
>>
>> The simple reason for this admonition is that one cannot influence
>> the hereafter. One can, however, do something today to make this a
>> better world.
> No, the simple reason for the admonition is to trivialize anyone who
> has beliefs. Can you offer proof using standard rules of logic that
> there is "nothing"?
I never said there was "nothing." The hereafter simply doesn't influence me.
By the simple standard rules of logic, I can say that we MIGHT be closer to
world peace, a cure for cancer, or eliminating male pattern baldness had not
some really great intellects applied themselves to endeavors other than
ruminating on how many angles could dance on the head of a pin.
The New Testament says that the streets of heaven are paved with gold.
Whether they're paved with gold or whether they're paved with mud, they are
what they are and none of our piety or wit can cancel half a line. We are of
THIS world, not the world to come.
But, and this is a big "but," to the degree that any faith inspires and
comforts, any activity that promotes that faith and belief is,
intrinsically, good. Any religion that promotes charity, good works,
justice, respect, protection of the weak and chastisement for the wicked is
a good and holy road to God - even if it digresses from time to time to
contemplate angles and pins.
On Jul 18, 8:05=EF=BF=BDpm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritt=
er
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intende=
d to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It cons=
ists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning =
with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being =
laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/u=
u355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=3Dslid...
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helper=
s.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumb=
er
> used in this project.
Very nice! Congratulations on the project. Quite a woodworker you
have there. I imagine he is quite helpful in DIY repairs, with such
skills.
I see a lot of negativity from a couple of people in here. It seems
to me to be an on-topic item, moreso given the actual nature of the
group. Remember, "Non illegitimi carborundum" (in actual Latin "Noli
nothi permittere te terere") Don't let them wear you down.
For those protesting, look at the nature of the group. Have you
responded to other perceived off-topic posts in the same way? There
are plenty to be found in this group. Perhaps it was that this
project (involving DIY skills) was religious in nature and that
angered you? Remember that, even if the Constitution required the
separation of church and state (it doesn't), it certainly says nothing
about separation oc church and usenet.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> If you go back and read the text you deleted. You mentioned
> discussing angles and pins.
>
> There is an old religious debate about "how many angels can
> dance on the head of a pin". However, you had a dyslexic
> moment, and spelled the word angELs backwards, and it came
> out angLEs.
>
> An angLE is the shape described by two lines intersecting on
> a plane. I truly was being obtuse. Spelling lampoon, that
> was my angle. I'm certainly not an angel on usenet.
>
>
Oh. Sorry. My grammer chequer didn't catch it.
In article <[email protected]>, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Congratulations to your son.
Thanks, Ed.
> Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
When he was a Cub Scout, his den and a few others took a field trip to the
Marshall Space Center in Huntsville AL. One sentence from their welcoming
program for the Scouts has stuck with me: "Every footprint on the moon was
left there by an Eagle Scout."
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here
> in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional
> intended to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It
> consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion,
> beginning with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body
> being laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer
> helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
> lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
Well done...
Bob S.
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> Ritter
>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> Indianapolis.
>>
>> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional
>> intended to
>> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It
>> consists
>> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning
>> with
>> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being
>> laid
>> in the tomb.)
>>
>> Photos of the completed project here:
>>
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>>
>> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
>> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
>> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer
>> helpers.
>> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
>> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
>> lumber
>> used in this project.
>>
>>
>
> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in
> life and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
Except this one in New Hampshire, he was fined for getting lost in the
mountains of NH.
http://alturl.com/biiw
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but you can't make them THINK"
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evodawg wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>>> Ritter
>>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>>> Indianapolis.
>>>
>>> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional
>>> intended to
>>> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It
>>> consists
>>> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning
>>> with
>>> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being
>>> laid
>>> in the tomb.)
>>>
>>> Photos of the completed project here:
>>>
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>>> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
>>> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
>>> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer
>>> helpers.
>>> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
>>> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
>>> lumber
>>> used in this project.
>>>
>>>
>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in
>> life and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
> Except this one in New Hampshire, he was fined for getting lost in the
> mountains of NH.
>
> http://alturl.com/biiw
>
Pay up kid or we'll break your ankles. *snicker*
TDD
evodawg wrote:
> Except this one in New Hampshire, he was fined for getting lost in the
> mountains of NH.
Now /there's/ a life lesson for those likely to be the leaders of the
next generation: 'Stay on the marked path, no matter what.'
I suppose NH should be nominated for some kind of special "Peace and
Stability" award.
Maybe the kid can even the score by suing NH for failing to exercise due
diligence because the helicopters the state typically used were
unavailable when they were needed.
:-T
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> Indianapolis.
>
>Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>
Thank you. My wife is particularly proud: she and her best friend were
the co-leaders of his Cub Scout den. Of the eight or nine boys in the den,
only four (our son, her friend's son, and two others) stayed in that den all
the way through Cub Scouts -- and _all four_ are now Eagle Scouts.
In article <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>
>> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> > Indianapolis.
>>
>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>
>And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
Was that really necessary?
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>>>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>>>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>>>> Indianapolis.
>>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>> And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>
> Was that really necessary?
Absolutely, its the popular and required thing to do in a liberal
secular world to discredit non-secular beliefs...
Doug Miller wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
Nice work. I'll bet your son will do OK in life.
Doug Miller wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> Ritter High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church
> here in Indianapolis.
Looks like a well-executed project from start to finish!
> Project concept, design, and management by my son. Scrollsaw work by
> my wife. Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen
> volunteer helpers. Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of
> Indianapolis for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
> used in this project.
A no-reservations "Well done!" to all, with special recognition to Mom
and Dad for their successful efforts to raise an Eagle Scout.
Very well done, indeed.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
In article <[email protected]>, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> Ritter High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church
>> here in Indianapolis.
>
>Looks like a well-executed project from start to finish!
>
>> Project concept, design, and management by my son. Scrollsaw work by
>> my wife. Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen
>> volunteer helpers. Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of
>> Indianapolis for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
>> used in this project.
>
>A no-reservations "Well done!" to all, with special recognition to Mom
>and Dad for their successful efforts to raise an Eagle Scout.
>
>Very well done, indeed.
>
Thank you, Morris. We're very proud of him.
notbob wrote:
> On 2009-07-19, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> Ritter High School.......
>
> Chrystonacrutch! ...that's one heckuva project. Your son did an amazing
> job and definitely earned his Eagle badge.
>
> Not quite sure why my linux box wouldn't play the photobucket slideshow in
> any one of my three browsers (crash or blk screen), but here's the link to
> view it manually:
>
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/
>
> nb
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> -snip-
>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>> and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>
> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
I think the research /has/ been done. I remember seeing some interesting
statistics, but it pre-dated the Internet and I can't remember the source.
You might find
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eagle_Scouts_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)
interesting, even though far from complete (my father, for example, is
not listed - but I still have his merit badge sash and Eagle Scout pin).
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
I can't comment for other folks. But, I really love the
other churches. They get people spiritually aware, so the
people can recognize the Spirit.
And, congrats on your son's achievement.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>
>And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
Was that really necessary?
We all need to be devout secularists?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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.
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Was that really necessary?
Absolutely, its the popular and required thing to do in a
liberal
secular world to discredit non-secular beliefs...
Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
all day with endless guilt?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a
> devotional intended to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus
> Christ. It consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His
> Passion, beginning with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with
> his body being laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
In article <[email protected]>, Some Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>mike from American Sycamore wrote:
>
>> the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy"
>> moment with his friends.
>
>That's what e-mail is for.
>
>> If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
>> is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove
>> your stupidity!
>
>I don't know what usenet you read, but calling me stupid for calling
>people on off-topic posts is just ignorant - you fucking piece of
>shit. You want to start spouting verbal abuse at me, I'll come right
>back at you.
<plonk>
In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>-snip-
>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of them is an
Eagle Scout.
Good enough for me.
In article <[email protected]>, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
>the blessings of eternal life in Heaven?
Of course we do.
In article <prestwhich-39CDEA.09344719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty
>> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Doug Miller wrote:
>> >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> >> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> >> > Ritter
>> >
>> >> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> >> > Indianapolis.
>> >>
>> >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>> >
>> >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>>
>> Was that really necessary?
>
>I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
>absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
Fine -- but why did you find it necessary to make a snide remark? A bit unsure
of yourself, perhaps?
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
> all day with endless guilt?
I've never met a Catholic who "cried all day with endless guilt". I don't
know where people get the idea that Catholics are on some kind of guilt
trip--few of them that I have ever met are.
>> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a
>> devotional intended to
>> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus
>> Christ. It consists
>> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His
>> Passion, beginning with
>> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with
>> his body being laid
>> in the tomb.)
>>
>> Photos of the completed project here:
>> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
Some Guy wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>
>>>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today:
>>>>> construction and installation of the Stations of the
>>>>> Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>
> I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
> etc.
>
> What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
>
>>>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>>>
>>> And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>>
>> Was that really necessary?
>
> Why was this even posted to alt.home.repair?
>
> If your choice of newsgroups is not appropriate, then you can expect
> to get some flack.
>
> What the hell is comp.sys.tandem?
>
> None of these groups are appropriate for the OP.
>
> Are there no scouting groups?
Now let's see, you've posted all of 31 messages to USENET going back about 3
weeks, and Doug has been posting to all the groups he linked for years, so
who in the Hell are _you_ to tell _him_ that he's doing wrong by sharing
something with his friends?
In article <prestwhich-6E2D49.09574619072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <prestwhich-39CDEA.09344719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty
>> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article
>> >> <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
>> >> Smitty
>> >> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Doug Miller wrote:
>> >> >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> >> >> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> >> >> > Ritter
>> >> >
>> >> >> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Indianapolis.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>> >> >
>> >> >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>> >>
>> >> Was that really necessary?
>> >
>> >I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
>> >absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
>>
>> Fine -- but why did you find it necessary to make a snide remark? A bit
>> unsure
>> of yourself, perhaps?
>
>You make snide remarks about electric misconceptions, I thought I'd
>return the favor by pointing out how idiotic your beliefs are in another
>arena. I'm not the least bit "unsure" of the stupidity of catholicism,
>mormonism, judaism, or any of the rest of them.
"The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
Douglas Johnson wrote:
> Some Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>mike from American Sycamore wrote:
>>
>>> the rec is like a family and Doug wanted to share a a"happy"
>>> moment with his friends.
>>
>>That's what e-mail is for.
>
> And this group. If you've been around here awhile, you will know such
> postings are generally welcome.
>
>>
>>> If you are not educated enough to realize that, it
>>> is better to keep your mouth shut rather than prove
>>> your stupidity!
>>
>>I don't know what usenet you read, but calling me stupid for calling
>>people on off-topic posts is just ignorant
>
> Then you'll know self appointed net police are discouraged everywhere on
> Usenet.
>
>>- you fucking piece of
>>shit. You want to start spouting verbal abuse at me, I'll come right
>>back at you.
>
> That's class. One bit of bad manners does not justify another.
>
> -- Doug
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Congrats from a long time Scouter and the father of two Eagles.
I have been told that the only two activities specifically asked about on
the application to any Military academy are "Are you an Eagle Scout, Did you
attend Boys State?"
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended
> to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It
> consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning
> with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being
> laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer
> helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
> lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "Ed Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Congrats from a long time Scouter and the father of two Eagles.
Thank you.
>
>I have been told that the only two activities specifically asked about on
>the application to any Military academy are "Are you an Eagle Scout, Did you
>attend Boys State?"
>
My son is two-for-two there -- and wanted to attend the Naval Academy.
He applied and was admitted, pending Congressional nomination. He applied for,
and received, a full-ride NROTC scholarship to the university of his choice.
Unfortunately, he was DQed from both on medical grounds. He's healthy as a
horse, with one exception: an anaphylactic allergic reaction to shellfish.
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
>> Ritter
>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> Indianapolis.
>>
>> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
>> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
>> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
>> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
>> in the tomb.)
>>
>> Photos of the completed project here:
>> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>>
>> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
>> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
>> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
>> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
>> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the
>> lumber used in this project.
In article <C689310D.46AEDE%[email protected]>, Bob Haar <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 7/18/09 9:05 PM, "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>> Indianapolis.
>
>Looks like quite a nice Eagle project (and I see many of them). Also the
>photos show it off well.
>
>Give him our congratulations. And a well done to Mom and Dad.
Will do. Thank you.
>
>Has he had his Board of Review yet?
>
Not yet -- hopefully, that will be very soon, and go smoothly.
Doug Miller wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
First of all, congratulations to A.J. especially, but also to you and
Mrs. Miller, as well as the volunteers who helped with this thing. It
takes a lot of perseverence to see something like that all the way
through, so kudos to all of you.
I don't know much about Eagle Scouts, but from what I've read they are
kids who have a special knack for seeing things through, as this project
indicates.
I do, however, know a bit about Catholics, and it's an area I chose to
leave a lot of years ago for reasons no one cares about except me. At
this point in my life, I'm either an apathetic agnostic or an aging
atheist - take your pick. The key A word there is apathetic. I just
don't much care one way or the other. This, BTW is not the start of a
discussion on that. Engage me on it, and I'll just ignore it.
What does straigten out my pubes tho is evangelising on both sides of
that believer/atheist line. Some days I think the atheists or agnostics
are worse than the evangelical nutbars that are out to save the world
with their "true" faith.
Doug Miller and his family are not ramming religion or Catholicism down
your throats. Doug explained the meaning of the project within the
church and left it at that. They did something that has merit, took
time and effort and conquered boredom and fatigue. 14 stations is a hell
of a lot of work. It's certainly not OT for the Wreck, and I guess it
got cross posted for Doug's other interests.
Comments decrying the Catholic Church and religion in this context are
rude, inconsiderate and off topic in themselves. Comments like that
indicate your own insecurities and generally tend to bring the bar down
in a discusson group. "Tend", I say because the other tendency when that
happens is that assholes get a new one reamed by the other folks who are
as offended by those kinds of remarks as I am.
Generally, Doug and his family got great responses from people who more
or less left the religion thing alone, which is how it should be.
But some folks just gotta shit on other people's shoes.
Sorry for the long post.
Tanus
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> -snip-
>>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>> and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>>
>> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
> Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of them is an
> Eagle Scout.
>
> Good enough for me.
How many of them were able to light a campfire
on the Moon? *snicker*
TDD
J. Clarke wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
>> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
>> all day with endless guilt?
>
> I've never met a Catholic who "cried all day with endless guilt". I don't
> know where people get the idea that Catholics are on some kind of guilt
> trip--few of them that I have ever met are.
>
Heck I cried all day when I was sent to the Catholic Parochial
Gulag by my parents. I often tell people that I have absolutely
no fear of terrorists because as a small boy, I had Irish nuns
for teachers. *snicker*
TDD
LD wrote:
> "The Daring Dufas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Jim Elbrecht
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -snip-
>>>>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good
>>>>> lesson in life and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>>> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>>>
>>> Only twelve men have walked on the Moon. Supposedly, _every one_ of
>>> them is an Eagle Scout.
>>>
>>> Good enough for me.
>>
>> How many of them were able to light a campfire
>> on the Moon? *snicker*
>>
>> TDD
>
>
> Six.
I didn't ask who lighted a rocket! *snicker*
TDD
The Daring Dufas wrote:
> LD wrote:
>> "The Daring Dufas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
(...)
>>> How many of them were able to light a campfire
>>> on the Moon? *snicker*
>>>
>>> TDD
>>
>>
>> Six.
>
> I didn't ask who lighted a rocket! *snicker*
>
> TDD
Consider it a 'Decamp' fire.
--Winston
In article <[email protected]>, Tanus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>First of all, congratulations to A.J. especially, but also to you and
>Mrs. Miller, as well as the volunteers who helped with this thing. It
>takes a lot of perseverence to see something like that all the way
>through, so kudos to all of you.
>
>I don't know much about Eagle Scouts, but from what I've read they are
>kids who have a special knack for seeing things through, as this project
>indicates.
>
>I do, however, know a bit about Catholics, and it's an area I chose to
>leave a lot of years ago for reasons no one cares about except me. At
>this point in my life, I'm either an apathetic agnostic or an aging
>atheist - take your pick. The key A word there is apathetic. I just
>don't much care one way or the other. This, BTW is not the start of a
>discussion on that. Engage me on it, and I'll just ignore it.
>
>What does straigten out my pubes tho is evangelising on both sides of
>that believer/atheist line. Some days I think the atheists or agnostics
>are worse than the evangelical nutbars that are out to save the world
>with their "true" faith.
>
>Doug Miller and his family are not ramming religion or Catholicism down
>your throats. Doug explained the meaning of the project within the
>church and left it at that. They did something that has merit, took
>time and effort and conquered boredom and fatigue. 14 stations is a hell
>of a lot of work. It's certainly not OT for the Wreck, and I guess it
>got cross posted for Doug's other interests.
>
>Comments decrying the Catholic Church and religion in this context are
>rude, inconsiderate and off topic in themselves. Comments like that
>indicate your own insecurities and generally tend to bring the bar down
>in a discusson group. "Tend", I say because the other tendency when that
>happens is that assholes get a new one reamed by the other folks who are
>as offended by those kinds of remarks as I am.
>
>Generally, Doug and his family got great responses from people who more
>or less left the religion thing alone, which is how it should be.
>
>But some folks just gotta shit on other people's shoes.
>
>Sorry for the long post.
NP. Well said, and thank you.
HeyBub wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
>> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
>> all day with endless guilt?
>>
>
> Neither. A great sage once said: "There are four things on which one should
> not dwell: What came before and what will come after, what is above and what
> is below."
>
> The simple reason for this admonition is that one cannot influence the
> hereafter. One can, however, do something today to make this a better world.
>
>
No, the simple reason for the admonition is to trivialize anyone who has
beliefs. Can you offer proof using standard rules of logic that there is
"nothing"?
I've got to disagree with that concept. Of course, a person
can affect what comes after death. That's the entire reason
for repentance, commandments, acts of service, etc. Even a
few Non-Mormons understand that concept.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just
> cry
> all day with endless guilt?
>
Neither. A great sage once said: "There are four things on
which one should
not dwell: What came before and what will come after, what
is above and what
is below."
The simple reason for this admonition is that one cannot
influence the
hereafter. One can, however, do something today to make this
a better world.
George wrote:
> HeyBub wrote:
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Do you ever spend time pondering the resurrected Lord, and
>>> the blessings of eternal life in Heaven? Or do you just cry
>>> all day with endless guilt?
>>>
>>
>> Neither. A great sage once said: "There are four things on which one
>> should not dwell: What came before and what will come after, what is
>> above and what is below."
>>
>> The simple reason for this admonition is that one cannot influence
>> the hereafter. One can, however, do something today to make this a
>> better world.
>>
>>
> No, the simple reason for the admonition is to trivialize anyone who
> has beliefs. Can you offer proof using standard rules of logic that
> there is "nothing"?
So it is your belief that some action on your part can result in a change in
God's plan?
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I've got to disagree with that concept. Of course, a person
> can affect what comes after death. That's the entire reason
> for repentance, commandments, acts of service, etc. Even a
> few Non-Mormons understand that concept.
If you're doing something because you think it will get you into heaven or
keep you out of Hell you're doing it for the wrong reason.
In article <[email protected]>, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> I've got to disagree with that concept. Of course, a person
>> can affect what comes after death. That's the entire reason
>> for repentance, commandments, acts of service, etc. Even a
>> few Non-Mormons understand that concept.
>
>If you're doing something because you think it will get you into heaven or
>keep you out of Hell you're doing it for the wrong reason.
While I agree with that statement, I'd contend nonetheless that doing good
(e.g. feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless), even
for the "wrong reason", is still a Good Thing. Certainly better IMHO to do
good for the wrong reasons, than to do evil for any reason.
There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I've got to disagree with that concept. Of course, a
> person
> can affect what comes after death. That's the entire
> reason
> for repentance, commandments, acts of service, etc. Even a
> few Non-Mormons understand that concept.
If you're doing something because you think it will get you
into heaven or
keep you out of Hell you're doing it for the wrong reason.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
> things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
Would you have done them differently if you were not attempting to improve
your afterlife?
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> I've got to disagree with that concept. Of course, a
>> person
>> can affect what comes after death. That's the entire
>> reason
>> for repentance, commandments, acts of service, etc. Even a
>> few Non-Mormons understand that concept.
>
> If you're doing something because you think it will get you
> into heaven or
> keep you out of Hell you're doing it for the wrong reason.
Yes, totally so. I woulda never got baptized, if it weren't
for the promise of a better afterlife. Nor would I have done
any temple ordinances.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
> things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
Would you have done them differently if you were not
attempting to improve
your afterlife?
Doug Miller wrote:
> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> Indianapolis.
>
> (Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
> encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
> of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
> his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
> in the tomb.)
>
> Photos of the completed project here:
> http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
> Project concept, design, and management by my son.
> Scrollsaw work by my wife.
> Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
> Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
> <www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
> used in this project.
>
>
Doug, you have a fine young man for a son, anyone
who says different is a jerk. I wish there were
many more young folks like you son out there. I
understand your pride and your wish to share it.
You have every right to brag, perhaps you had a
little bit to do with it. *snicker*
TDD
I was asking for acute angle. I had to lose some wait, cause
I was considered obtuse.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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But, and this is a big "but," to the degree that any faith
inspires and
comforts, any activity that promotes that faith and belief
is,
intrinsically, good. Any religion that promotes charity,
good works,
justice, respect, protection of the weak and chastisement
for the wicked is
a good and holy road to God - even if it digresses from time
to time to
contemplate angles and pins.
A man died, having all his wealth converted to gold. And
burried with him. As he gets to the pearly gates, dragging
his incredibly heavy suitcase with him, and looking around,
a bit paranoid.
St. Peter greeted him at the pearly gates. Assured him his
gold was safe, there was no theft in Heaven. The guy came
in, and still dragging his suitcase behind.
As he got out of hearing range, St. Peter turned to the
other angel, and asked "what's with that guy and his
suitcase full of paving stones?"
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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The New Testament says that the streets of heaven are paved
with gold.
Whether they're paved with gold or whether they're paved
with mud, they are
what they are and none of our piety or wit can cancel half a
line. We are of
THIS world, not the world to come.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>Doug, you have a fine young man for a son, anyone
>who says different is a jerk. I wish there were
>many more young folks like you son out there. I
>understand your pride and your wish to share it.
Thank you.
>You have every right to brag, perhaps you had a
>little bit to do with it. *snicker*
I actually had very little to do with the project. My role could be described
as "technical consultant" perhaps -- things like suggesting that reducing the
planned width of the box by 1/4" made it possible to cut all fourteen backs
out of one sheet of plywood instead of two; likewise for the plexiglass
fronts. I showed him how to plan his cuts on the table saw to minimize the
need to change setups. I told him he ought to use stainless steel nails, not
galvanized, in cedar, and why. I showed him how to make simple jigs to make
sure cuts were made, and holes were drilled, in consistent repeatable
locations.
But he came up with the idea, he planned the project, he raised the funds, he
bought the materials (or arranged for them to be donated), he made *all* the
saw cuts, he organized the team of volunteers to assemble the boxes, he
directed them. He made sure the "Call Before You Dig" folks marked the area so
the post-hole auger wouldn't hit any buried utilities. He talked the owner of
a construction company into drilling the holes for him, and showed him where
to drill the holes, and how deep. He supervised the final assembly and
installation of all fourteen stations. He hired a local engraving company to
make the brass "In memory of..." plaques, and kept careful track of who had
endowed which station, to make sure the plaques wound up on the right posts.
Yes, I "had a little bit to do with it." Literally a little bit. But it was
his project. Not mine.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Yes, totally so. I woulda never got baptized, if it weren't
> for the promise of a better afterlife. Nor would I have done
> any temple ordinances.
Oh, I thought you meant something that actually made a difference for
somebody other than you.
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
>> things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
>
> Would you have done them differently if you were not
> attempting to improve
> your afterlife?
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Doug, you have a fine young man for a son, anyone
>> who says different is a jerk. I wish there were
>> many more young folks like you son out there. I
>> understand your pride and your wish to share it.
>
> Thank you.
>
>> You have every right to brag, perhaps you had a
>> little bit to do with it. *snicker*
>
> I actually had very little to do with the project. My role could be described
> as "technical consultant" perhaps -- things like suggesting that reducing the
> planned width of the box by 1/4" made it possible to cut all fourteen backs
> out of one sheet of plywood instead of two; likewise for the plexiglass
> fronts. I showed him how to plan his cuts on the table saw to minimize the
> need to change setups. I told him he ought to use stainless steel nails, not
> galvanized, in cedar, and why. I showed him how to make simple jigs to make
> sure cuts were made, and holes were drilled, in consistent repeatable
> locations.
>
> But he came up with the idea, he planned the project, he raised the funds, he
> bought the materials (or arranged for them to be donated), he made *all* the
> saw cuts, he organized the team of volunteers to assemble the boxes, he
> directed them. He made sure the "Call Before You Dig" folks marked the area so
> the post-hole auger wouldn't hit any buried utilities. He talked the owner of
> a construction company into drilling the holes for him, and showed him where
> to drill the holes, and how deep. He supervised the final assembly and
> installation of all fourteen stations. He hired a local engraving company to
> make the brass "In memory of..." plaques, and kept careful track of who had
> endowed which station, to make sure the plaques wound up on the right posts.
>
> Yes, I "had a little bit to do with it." Literally a little bit. But it was
> his project. Not mine.
Well, what I meant was the creation of the outstanding young man.
Get it now? ROFL
TDD
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>Well, what I meant was the creation of the outstanding young man.
>Get it now? ROFL
I do. Sorry I misunderstood your meaning.
If you go back and read the text you deleted. You mentioned
discussing angles and pins.
There is an old religious debate about "how many angels can
dance on the head of a pin". However, you had a dyslexic
moment, and spelled the word angELs backwards, and it came
out angLEs.
An angLE is the shape described by two lines intersecting on
a plane. I truly was being obtuse. Spelling lampoon, that
was my angle. I'm certainly not an angel on usenet.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I was asking for acute angle. I had to lose some wait,
> cause
> I was considered obtuse.
Sorry if I was confusing. Let me restate.
I come from a tradition that teaches good works are good for
their own sake,
not as an entrance fee to the hereafter and that was the
message I was
trying to convey. My tradition teaches that dwelling on the
hereafter takes
time and effort away from these good works and is,
therefore, discouraged.
On the other hand, if someone's faith holds that one earns
entrance in the
world to come by doing good deeds, that's okay with me - the
good gets done
and I'm not too anal about the motivation.
On the other, other, hand, there is at least one religion
that provides
entrance to paradise is achieved principally by expanding
the reach of the
religion. If this reach is achieved by forcibly imposing the
doctrine or
killing apostates, infidels, and non-believers, that earns
the actor a
ticket in first class. And maybe even virgins.
Point is, if one's motivation is driven solely by a desire
to enter a better
place, the worldly results of that desire can be quite
wicked.
SMS wrote:
> Some Guy wrote:
>
>> I thought scouting was about out-door stuff, survival, being prepared,
>> etc.
>>
>> What do chuch-related activities have to do with any of that?
>
> You cannot be in Boy Scouts if you don't "believe." You have to be
> 'loyal and reverent to God' but they don't tell you which god to believe
> in, and you don't have to believe in a supreme being, and "believe" is
> very subjective. It's very much "don't ask, don't tell" for atheists and
> agnostics. You can believe in Satan, Buddha, or Barack Obama as god. I
> remember the Cubmaster in my son's Cub Scout pack trying to avoid any of
> the religious aspects for fear of offending non-believers, until one of
> the believers explained to him that "believing" was required by BSA. Our
> pack was diverse, with Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, but was
> mostly non-believers that simply didn't talk about it.
>
> The sponsoring organization of my son's old pack and previous troop is a
> church that used to do good work in the community, including hosting a
> county senior lunch program, until the church board changed and someone
> got upset that the county would not allow proselytizing of the lunch
> program participants. They shut down the program with only a few days
> notice. If they knew how many non-believers were in the Cub Scout and
> Boy Scout units they sponsor then they'd probably throw them out as well.
>
> I was talking to a leader of a Venture Crew (Boy Scout's Coed
> organization for 14-20 year olds) and he said that it's just not going
> to happen to separate scouting from religion because the Mormon church
> is very powerful in the scouting organization and they oppose it. Ditto
> for admitting gays.
>
> There's a misconception that an Eagle Scout project has to be beneficial
> to the community. In fact, it's more of a project management
> achievement, and it doesn't matter what the project is or if it benefits
> society, as long as it's done to completion meeting certain criteria. A
> project that benefits a church is acceptable.
>
> It's all rather sad that scouting requires boys to ignore science and
> embrace made-up fantasies in order to participate. Actually it just
> teaches them, early in life, that they have to lie about certain things.
>
> The U.S. is pretty unique in terms of the way scouting is run. In other
> countries it's usually co-ed and non-discriminatory.
For what it is worth, I have been the Scout Master in 3 different
troops. Each sponsored differently.
First on was sponsored by the Lions Club
Second one by the Catholic Church
Third by the local VFW.
Religion was seldom mentioned
Smitty Two wrote:
>> I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
>> absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
>Doug Miller wrote:
> Fine --
No it's not "fine". I'm a non-believer and I don't see "all religions
as absolutely, completely insane". At the very, very least, most
religions are attempting to lead people in a moral direction. Nothing
insane about that is there?
Personally, as a non-believer, I'm sick of the little weasel scum bags
thinking they are speaking for ME. They are not, and their are plenty
of non-believers that are not so insecure that they feel any need to
attack believers.
Your son did a great job, and your wife too. I'm certain his
achievement of Eagle scout status will benefit him throughout life, as
it has so many before him.
--
Jack
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, that's the best way. If on one side, no one makes a big deal out
>> of proclaiming that they're an agnostic or atheist, and on the other
>> side the sponsoring organization doesn't push religion, then everything
>> works out okay. It's when someone feels the need to complain about
>> hypocrisy that things escalate out of control.
>
> a I have no problems with sponsoring organization pushing religion if it
> is a religious organization.
>
I do. Scouting is not about Religion. It is about Faith. Big difference.
Kalarama wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> There can be more than one reason. But, I've done a lot of
>> things in order to improve my eternal afterlife.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher A. Young
>> Learn more about Jesus
>> www.lds.org
>
>
> What have you been doing to improve the afterlife of the thousands of
> innocent souls tortured and murdered during the Inquisition?
Probably the same sorts of things that Jews and Muslims and the like have
been doing--don't assume because Mormons are religious and American that
they are Christians in the same sense that Catholics or Protestants are
Christian--while they recognize the divinity of Christ, they have their own
revelation that is independent of the Bible. Blaming them for the
Inquisition is like blaming the Pope for 9/11.
Me, personally, not a thing. But as thier names and such
become available through genealogy extraction, we do their
temple work for them. So they can adavance in the gospel.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Kalarama" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
What have you been doing to improve the afterlife of the
thousands of
innocent souls tortured and murdered during the Inquisition?
Yes, it's possible to read some accusation and blame into
that question. I preferred to see it as a practical
question. So, what all do we actually DO to make things
better? I try my best to be a practical person.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What have you been doing to improve the afterlife of the
> thousands of
> innocent souls tortured and murdered during the
> Inquisition?
Probably the same sorts of things that Jews and Muslims and
the like have
been doing--don't assume because Mormons are religious and
American that
they are Christians in the same sense that Catholics or
Protestants are
Christian--while they recognize the divinity of Christ, they
have their own
revelation that is independent of the Bible. Blaming them
for the
Inquisition is like blaming the Pope for 9/11.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:05:50 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>Indianapolis.
>
>(Note to non-Catholics: the Stations of the Cross is a devotional intended to
>encourage meditation on the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ. It consists
>of fourteen icons depicting various events during His Passion, beginning with
>his condemnation by Pilate, leading up to and ending with his body being laid
>in the tomb.)
>
>Photos of the completed project here:
>http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/milmacdotcom/?albumview=slideshow
>
>Project concept, design, and management by my son.
>Scrollsaw work by my wife.
>Construction and installation by my son and over a dozen volunteer helpers.
>Special thanks to Carter-Lee Lumber Company of Indianapolis
><www.carterlee.com> for their very generous donation of *all* of the lumber
>used in this project.
>
As a woodworker, I offer AJ my compliments.
As a Scout leader for the last twenty-something years, I offer him my
congratulations. Few outside of the Scouting community realize how
much hard work and dedication it takes to attain the Eagle rank.
I'm sure you're very proud of him, and you deserve to be.
Reply-to address is real
John
In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, that's the best way. If on one side, no one makes a big deal out
> of proclaiming that they're an agnostic or atheist, and on the other
> side the sponsoring organization doesn't push religion, then everything
> works out okay. It's when someone feels the need to complain about
> hypocrisy that things escalate out of control.
a I have no problems with sponsoring organization pushing religion if it
is a religious organization.
--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett
In article <[email protected]>,
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In seven years, I never heard a boy say the was Christian or agnostic. I
> never heard it in the training either.
>
> The church never pushed it's doctrine.
That's okay, too. Just if one goes to a religious sponsored group,
they shouldn't act surprised and upset if it comes up.
>
> It seems to me that a lot of people here without any experience with the
> scouts are talking about things they know nothing about.
>
On Usenet. Impossible. (g).
--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett
The Daring Dufas <[email protected]> wrote:
>How many of them were able to light a campfire
>on the Moon? *snicker*
It's my understanding they left no unused firewood behind...
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
-snip-
>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>
Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
Jim
on 7/19/2009 8:14 AM (ET) Doug Miller wrote the following:
> In article <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty Two <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
>>>> installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
>>>>
>>>> High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
>>>> Indianapolis.
>>>>
>>> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
>>>
>> And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>>
>
> Was that really necessary?
>
There are three things that should never be discussed in public.
Religion, politics, and the second amendment.
:-)
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article
> <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty
> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Doug Miller wrote:
> >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> >> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> >> > Ritter
> >
> >> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> >> > Indianapolis.
> >>
> >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
> >
> >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
>
> Was that really necessary?
I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So, what all do we actually DO to make things
> better? I try my best to be a practical person.
You could make things better, and be more "practical," too, by bottom
posting. I'm sure there's some sort of guide out there on the internet
that you could read, as to how to go about accomplishing that monumental
shift.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article
> <prestwhich-39CDEA.09344719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>, Smitty
> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <prestwhich-AC00FE.03525719072009@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com>,
> >> Smitty
> >> Two <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Doug Miller wrote:
> >> >> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> >> >> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal
> >> >> > Ritter
> >> >
> >> >> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > Indianapolis.
> >> >>
> >> >> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
> >> >
> >> >And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
> >>
> >> Was that really necessary?
> >
> >I just watched "Religulous." We non-believers see all religions as
> >absolutely, completely insane. 93 % of scientists are in that camp.
>
> Fine -- but why did you find it necessary to make a snide remark? A bit
> unsure
> of yourself, perhaps?
You make snide remarks about electric misconceptions, I thought I'd
return the favor by pointing out how idiotic your beliefs are in another
arena. I'm not the least bit "unsure" of the stupidity of catholicism,
mormonism, judaism, or any of the rest of them.
However, I attained Life Scout, Order of the Arrow, and Senior Patrol
Leader of my troop, so I'm not dissing scouting at all.
In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote:
> > My son A.J. finished his Eagle Scout project today: construction and
> > installation of the Stations of the Cross on the grounds of Cardinal Ritter
> > High School (his alma mater) and St. Michael's Catholic Church here in
> > Indianapolis.
>
> Congratulations on raising an Eagle Scout!!
And my sympathies for raising a catholic.
"Tanus" wrote:
> First of all, congratulations to A.J. especially, but also to you
> and Mrs. Miller, as well as the volunteers who helped with this
> thing. It takes a lot of perseverence to see something like that all
> the way through, so kudos to all of you.
Here Here, I'll 2nd that.
> This, BTW is not the start of a discussion on that. Engage me on it,
> and I'll just ignore it.
Ah Shucks<grin>.
<snip>
> But some folks just gotta shit on other people's shoes.
Ain't that the truth.
Lew
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:02:48 -0400, Tanus <[email protected]> wrote Re
Re: Eagle Scout project complete!:
>Sorry for the long post.
>
>Tanus
It was a good on-topic post. No need to apologize.
--
I filter all messages from google groups.
"Kurt Ullman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's the best way. If on one side, no one makes a big deal out
>> of proclaiming that they're an agnostic or atheist, and on the other
>> side the sponsoring organization doesn't push religion, then everything
>> works out okay. It's when someone feels the need to complain about
>> hypocrisy that things escalate out of control.
>
> a I have no problems with sponsoring organization pushing religion if it
> is a religious organization.
>
> --
> Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
> of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
> Jimmy Buffett
I was an assistant scoutmaster in a troop sponsored by a church. I took all
of the leadership training available.
In seven years, I never heard a boy say the was Christian or agnostic. I
never heard it in the training either.
The church never pushed it's doctrine.
It seems to me that a lot of people here without any experience with the
scouts are talking about things they know nothing about.
Scouting is about citizenship, preparedness, and helping others, just basic
good stewardship.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:34:47 -0700, Smitty Two
<[email protected]> wrote:
a lesson on the dangers of crossposting.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My experience has been more with the parents pushing for the religious
> aspect, especially in "Scout's Own" which happens to almost always occur
> on Sunday mornings.
>
>> Scouting is about citizenship, preparedness, and helping others, just
>> basic good stewardship.
>
> IMVAIO, that's _all_ that it should be about. How god ever got involved is
> a mystery. But god seems to get involved in a lot of things.
It seems that you are determined to press the religious aspect. What's your
problem?
I would suggest that parents have the right and responsibility concerning
the religious training of their own children.
If you don't like it, take your child out.
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:34:55 -0400, Jim Elbrecht <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>-snip-
>>Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson in life
>>and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
>Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
>Jim
http://www.macscouter.com/usscouts/eagle/eagleastronauts.asp
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> -snip-
>> Congratulations to your son. Eagle scout projects are a good lesson
>> in life and most Eagle scouts go on to great things.
>>
>
> Just curious- has anyone actually done the research on that?
>
Here's some:
Neil Armstrong
First man on the moon
Willie Banks
Olympic athlete, former
world-record holder in triple
jump and long jump
Michael Bloomberg
Mayor of New York City
Guion "Guy" S. Bluford Jr.
Retired U.S. Air Force offcer
and space shuttle astronaut;
frst African American in
space
Bill Bradley
Former professional basketball
player, U.S. senator, and
presidential candidate
Stephen Breyer
Associate justice of the U.S.
Supreme Court
Mike Crapo
U.S. senator from Idaho
William C. DeVries, M.D.
Surgeon and educator;
transplanted the frst
artifcial heart
Michael Dukakis
Former governor of
Massachusetts and
presidential candidate
Mike Enzi
U.S. senator from Wyoming
Thomas Foley
Former speaker of the U.S.
House of Representatives and
ambassador to Japan
Gerald R. Ford*
38th president of the
United States
Steve Fossett*
World-record holder; frst to
circumnavigate Earth solo in
a balloon and an airplane
Chan Gailey
College and professional
football coach
John Garamendi
Lieutenant governor of
California
Bill Gates Sr.
CEO of Bill and Melinda
Gates Foundation; father of
Bill Gates
Robert Gates
U.S. secretary of defense and
former director of the Central
Intelligence Agency
Michael Kahn
Academy Award-winning
flm editor
James A. Lovell Jr.
Former U.S. Navy offcer
and Apollo 13 commander
Gary Locke
Former governor of
Washington; frst Chinese
American governor in the
United States
Richard G. Lugar
U.S. senator from Indiana
J. Willard Marriott Jr.
Chairman and CEO of
Marriott International
George Meyer
Writer and producer of
"The Simpsons"
Ben Nelson
U.S. senator from Nebraska
H. Ross Perot
Founder of EDS and Perot
Systems; former presidential
candidate
Rick Perry
Governor of Texas
Beasley Reece
Former NFL player and
sportscaster
Mike Rowe
Host of "Dirty Jobs"
television program
Donald Rumsfeld
Former U. S. secretary
of defense
Jefferson Sessions
U.S. senator from Alabama
William S. Sessions
Former federal judge and
director of the FBI
John Tesh
Recording artist and
performer
Togo West
Former U.S. secretary of
veterans affairs and secretary
of the Army
"Douglas Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Ed Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Congrats from a long time Scouter and the father of two Eagles.
>>
>>I have been told that the only two activities specifically asked about on
>>the application to any Military academy are "Are you an Eagle Scout, Did
>>you
>>attend Boys State?"
>
> Some years ago, I was chatting with a Scout who was just back from his
> first
> semester at the Air Force Academy. I asked him if it gave him an edge,
> being
> an Eagle. He said "Nah. It's pretty much expected." -- Doug
Congrats on your son's achievement...You should be very proud...Don't let
the idiots get you down....