"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/16/10 7:39 AM, George W Frost wrote:
>
>> If you look at the video, you will see that he pushes the log into the
>> cutter and the log slips, because it is round
>> To cut something you need it to be flat on the table side
>
> It seemed to work fine when he used two hands with a round side against
> the table. The flat side was on the table when the blade picked up the
> billet on its upstroke. It looks like too much friction between the side
> of the blade and the face of the billet. Maybe the blade was rusty and
> maybe he pushed too hard.
>
> If he had continued using both hands, he could have had a billet with four
> flattened faces, good for stacking and drying. I think an assistant would
> have been on a truck on the operator's right.
>
>> He is pushing the log into the cutter the wrong way.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. Patent 609114, "Machine for Preparing Wood
> for Fuel," shows a similar reciprocating blade taking slices from the
> side of a billet. The billet is in a hopper, which makes it gravity fed
> and keeps fingers away.
>
> The mystery machine looks more dangerous and more laborious. The
> advantage I see is that the operator could produce squared billets. In
> that case, the pusher would not normally have been used, just as I don't
> normally use a pusher stick with my chipper. (I wonder why the pusher
> handle on the mystery machine is bright red. Something new?)
Blood?
>
> The hydraulic splitter would have superseded this machine.
>
>>
>> I change my mind and say it is a chaff cutter
>>
>>
> I'd hate to cut up a pile of straw by having somebody give me a handful at
> a time to hold on a little table near a big blade. Wouldn't a chaff
> cutter have a feed chute and a way to collect the chopped material?
On Oct 15, 3:52=A0pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/14/10 11:58 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2010-10-15, Rob H.<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this on=
e.
>
> >>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>
> >> Did you check out my answers for last week's set?
>
> > =A0 =A0Yes -- =A0most of them.
>
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I had also posted a video
> >> then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by video=
s, you
> >> should have had the same issue last Friday.
>
> > =A0 =A0I skipped the video (and hoped that you were not going to make a
> > habit of videos), but I was able to see everything else then. =A0I was
> > also able to see everything else earlier today, before going into Usene=
t
> > to read rec.crafts.metalworking (different program for usenet reading
> > than for web browsing for me), and when I hit it in usenet, I re-opened
> > the browser, and then hit the problem of not being able to see the stil=
l
> > images until I turned on JavaScript.
>
> > =A0 =A0Enjoy,
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0DoN.
>
> I could see the page and the video without Javascript. =A0However, the
> bitstream was too fast for my computer to process, so the video of the
> motion skipped a lot of frames.
>
> Here's a version with less resolution and better motion for my computer:h=
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1fZlIB1tbes
>
> It looks like a quick way to dress firewood. =A0The assistant puts logs o=
n
> the deck to the operator's left. =A0The operator gives a log four chops
> with the machine, removing bark and bumps from four sides. =A0A chalk lin=
e
> on the plate would let him position the log by eye so opposite flats
> were parallel and the logs were approximately the same thickness. =A0He
> wouldn't need to remove all the bark; the dressed log would resemble an
> octagon.
>
> Then he tosses the log to the ground on his right and picks up another.
> =A0 Much quicker and easier than splitting.
>
> Now the logs will dry faster, and they can be stacked stably without
> posts or repositioning. =A0Kindling is a byproduct. =A0I think the pressi=
ng
> lever is to make kindling of pieces too thin to make dressed logs.
Any chance that it was designed to run logs along to trim one side
before being shaped with a gutter adze to make a log structure?
--riverman
On Oct 19, 10:37=A0am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> #1 shingles will be of equal duration as shakes of same material and
> quality and initial butt thickness. =A0Key is comparing equal amount of
> material; shakes generally are 1/2" or even thicker; a "fivex" is 5/2"
> or just a little over 3/8" so there's less material.
2"/5
R
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2061 cork remover from bottle. ?
2062 Jar and bottle cap remover. ?
On Oct 19, 4:25=A0pm, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Oct 19, 10:37 am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> #1 shingles will be of equal duration as shakes of same material and
> >> quality and initial butt thickness. =A0Key is comparing equal amount o=
f
> >> material; shakes generally are 1/2" or even thicker; a "fivex" is 5/2"
> >> or just a little over 3/8" so there's less material.
>
> > 2"/5
>
> Wrote 5/2" as short for "5 shingles per 2" total thickness", not as a
> quotient...but, 2"/5 is the fractional way to determine that they're
> nominal minimal 0.40" each, indeed...
Yes, I realized that, and I was just clarifying it for posterity. ;)
R
On Oct 14, 8:55=A0pm, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> A couple of people have suggested that the machine is a fodder cutter, fo=
r
> cutting up corn stalks, etc. =A0But that part on the top that he pulls do=
wn to
> use as a pusher would seem to work better with wood than with corn stalks=
.
>
> Rob
Why do we assume its for use with wood? Maybe something for shaving
ice blocks, or hacking up meat (wild guess) or something? I think this
going to require some out of the box thinking.
--riverman
"Steve W." <[email protected]> writes:
> Sawing allows for all the above, BUT split shakes were around LONG
> before they even thought about sawn shakes. As for knots, they were
> used regardless, as long as the knot was not in the face area on the
> shake it didn't make much difference for the undercourse. Same with
> warped/twisted grain, saws allowed that wood to be used. Splitting
> didn't.
Do split shingles last longer than sawn? I wonder if that absence of
exposed grain ends on the surface helps prevent water penetration.
--
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--riverman wrote:
>
> Any chance that it was designed to run logs along to trim one side
> before being shaped with a gutter adze to make a log structure?
>
Not likely, given the short length of the cutter.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Oct 14, 1:04=A0pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
>
> > No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. =A0Shingles/shakes were
> > rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's side.
> > Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut the log so
> > =A0that the grain would guarantee the shingle would curl. =A0That machi=
ne
> > =A0has no depth control so the 'shingles' wouldn't be even remotely
> > uniform. =A0In addition, who would ever have a machine where you'd have
> > =A0to lift logs up to chest height to cut them and do it for hours on
> > end? =A0It's more likely an amputee maker than a shingle cutting
> > machine.
>
>
> The shingle cutter I run works just like the one in the video. It has
> all the parts though, this one is missing the stop and bed guide (they
> are both easy to remove/lose.... They make siding shingles not roof
> shingles.
Without the parts you mention, the machine isn't a shingle cutter,
it's a fair attraction for people waiting to see a guy get his hand
cut off. ;)
Is it possible that your shingle cutter was repurposed? If it looks
like the one that Rob posted, I'd think that wasn't much of a
stretch. Post a picture, or better yet a video, of the shingle cutter
you use in operation. Thanks.
This is a typical shingle mill.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/attachment.php?s=3D2ff4a214e86717cad701b763c1=
38608b&attachmentid=3D22506&d=3D1188198482
another
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/attachment.php?s=3D2ff4a214e86717cad701b763c1=
38608b&attachmentid=3D23550&d=3D1190333512
another type - a wobble mill
http://antiquetractorsforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D26562
old timey drawing
http://www.machineryscans.com/wood%20shingle%20saw%20chase%20turbine%201.jp=
g
If you're setting up to cut shingles, or anything of any value for
that matter, minimizing waste is paramount, as is accuracy and
repeatability. How does the machine you use allow the shingles to be
cut on a taper?
Having that thing run by a tractor might be misleading. It obviously
operates much faster in the video than is safe or accurate. If it
were operating off of say an overhead shaft at a lower speed, that
would address some of the issues. How is yours powered?
As to Rob's question about shingle sizes:
http://www.woodsiding.com/prices.htm
Please note that shingles are always sold as tapered resawn shingles.
I have never seen a 'shaved' shingle. That is why I'm guessing the
machine was either not a shingle cutter or was repurposed.
R
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:43:59 -0400, Mouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 10/14/2010 8:55 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> A couple of people have suggested that the machine is a fodder cutter,
>> for cutting up corn stalks, etc. But that part on the top that he pulls
>> down to use as a pusher would seem to work better with wood than with
>> corn stalks.
>>
>>
>> Rob
>cole slaw?
>
>Doesn't seem useful for much besides making kindling.
Turnip chopper?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
"--riverman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Oct 15, 3:52 pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/14/10 11:58 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2010-10-15, Rob H.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this
> >>> one.
>
> >>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>
> >> Did you check out my answers for last week's set?
>
> > Yes -- most of them.
>
> >> I had also posted a video
> >> then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by
> >> videos, you
> >> should have had the same issue last Friday.
>
> > I skipped the video (and hoped that you were not going to make a
> > habit of videos), but I was able to see everything else then. I was
> > also able to see everything else earlier today, before going into Usenet
> > to read rec.crafts.metalworking (different program for usenet reading
> > than for web browsing for me), and when I hit it in usenet, I re-opened
> > the browser, and then hit the problem of not being able to see the still
> > images until I turned on JavaScript.
>
> > Enjoy,
> > DoN.
>
> I could see the page and the video without Javascript. However, the
> bitstream was too fast for my computer to process, so the video of the
> motion skipped a lot of frames.
>
> Here's a version with less resolution and better motion for my
> computer:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZlIB1tbes
>
> It looks like a quick way to dress firewood. The assistant puts logs on
> the deck to the operator's left. The operator gives a log four chops
> with the machine, removing bark and bumps from four sides. A chalk line
> on the plate would let him position the log by eye so opposite flats
> were parallel and the logs were approximately the same thickness. He
> wouldn't need to remove all the bark; the dressed log would resemble an
> octagon.
>
> Then he tosses the log to the ground on his right and picks up another.
> Much quicker and easier than splitting.
>
> Now the logs will dry faster, and they can be stacked stably without
> posts or repositioning. Kindling is a byproduct. I think the pressing
> lever is to make kindling of pieces too thin to make dressed logs.
Any chance that it was designed to run logs along to trim one side
before being shaped with a gutter adze to make a log structure?
--riverman
If you look at the video, you will see that he pushes the log into the
cutter and the log slips, because it is round
To cut something you need it to be flat on the table side
He is pushing the log into the cutter the wrong way.
I change my mind and say it is a chaff cutter
RicodJour wrote:
> Good post - informative. Thanks.
>
> Your point about tapering coming about because it allowed the use of
> lower quality wood confuses the issue a bit. Tapering is always a
> good idea, regardless of the quality of wood. Tapered shingles and
> shakes lay flatter, which is not only desirable in a roof or siding,
> it's pretty much a necessity. If they don't lay flat, they blow off
> in the wind. I don't know that I've ever seen any structure with non-
> tapered shingles/shakes, although I don't doubt that it's been done.
Most structures around during current generations lifetimes will be sawn
tapered shingles. You won't find hand or machine split non-tapered stuff
unless you visit some historic site that does true to history
construction. True hand split shakes used in the 16-1700s were not
tapered. Tapering isn't hard BUT it was probably discovered by accident
all you really need to do to taper a hand split shake is to flip the
block end for end as you split each shake. I somewhat doubt this was
something that old Jedidiah bothered with when he was building his cabin
in the woods. In areas that had access to water power and a place to set
up a mill they would have probably had machine split for a while, until
someone figured out how to use a saw and make the job a bit less
dangerous for the operator.
> The centuries old Norse stave churches used tapered shingles.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29745461@N03/3147708575
Those are sawn replacement shingles not split shakes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_%28shingle%29
> The only real benefits of sawn shingles are less waste, greater
> uniformity (which translates to speed in laying) and a more refined
> appearance. Lower quality wood shingles, those with knots that would
> interfere with splitting, must be resawn, but they're never used on a
> roof, only as a siding undercourse...or, in my case, shims!
Sawing allows for all the above, BUT split shakes were around LONG
before they even thought about sawn shakes. As for knots, they were used
regardless, as long as the knot was not in the face area on the shake it
didn't make much difference for the undercourse. Same with
warped/twisted grain, saws allowed that wood to be used. Splitting didn't.
>
> I still want to see the video of your machine in operation. I'm
> patient and can wait. Thanks.
>
> R
--
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"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 10/17/10 3:46 PM, Kerry Montgomery wrote:
>>> The mystery machine looks more dangerous and more laborious. The
>>> > advantage I see is that the operator could produce squared billets.
>>> > In
>>> > that case, the pusher would not normally have been used, just as I
>>> > don't
>>> > normally use a pusher stick with my chipper. (I wonder why the
>>> > pusher
>>> > handle on the mystery machine is bright red. Something new?)
>> Blood?
>>
> http://www.topnews.in/german-farmer-flexes-fingers-after-doublearm-transplant-2191171
To go through surgery like that
you sure have to hand it to him
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2059: an old type can opener
2060: This is a sword or sabre holder with the grip through the half
circles where the cross guard rests and the blade through the slot, to keep
the blade tip from being damaged
2061: a door stop.
2062: An aid for opening jars and bottles for people with arthritis
2063: A hole maker for planting out trees or shrubs.
2064: This is a guy hammering stakes into the ground to hold down a
shuddering contraption, followed by a little red doctors car passing behind,
the machine itself is a splinter maker
But, realistically folks, the guy holding the wood log, is holding it the
wrong way, it should be held end up so the blade splits down the grain of
the wood
It is a shingle cutter
"George W Frost" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
>
> But, realistically folks, the guy holding the wood log, is holding it
> the wrong way, it should be held end up so the blade splits down the
> grain of the wood
> It is a shingle cutter
>
Might be, but if it is, it's for cutting siding shingles, and not roofing
shingles. The stroke is too short. It wouldn't handle a butt longer than
about 8".
LLoyd
On Oct 17, 7:00=A0pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 1:04 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
>
> >>> No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. =A0Shingles/shakes
> >>> were rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's
> >>> side. Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut
> >>> the log so that the grain would guarantee the shingle would curl.
> >>> That machine has no depth control so the 'shingles' wouldn't be
> >>> even remotely uniform. =A0In addition, who would ever have a
> >>> machine where you'd have to lift logs up to chest height to cut
> >>> them and do it for hours on end? =A0It's more likely an amputee
> >>> maker than a shingle cutting machine.
>
> >> The shingle cutter I run works just like the one in the video. It
> >> has all the parts though, this one is missing the stop and bed
> >> guide (they are both easy to remove/lose.... They make siding
> >> shingles not roof shingles.
>
> > Without the parts you mention, the machine isn't a shingle cutter,
> > it's a fair attraction for people waiting to see a guy get his hand
> > cut off. =A0;)
>
> Yep just like most other old equipment...
>
>
>
> > Is it possible that your shingle cutter was repurposed? =A0If it looks
> > like the one that Rob posted, I'd think that wasn't much of a
> > stretch. =A0Post a picture, or better yet a video, of the shingle
> > cutter you use in operation. =A0Thanks.
>
> links removed
>
> However those are all newer machines than the pictured one. The one Rob
> posted is basically a mechanical version of a fro. The shakes it makes
> get split down the grain line.
>
> The ones you linked to cut the shingles.
>
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2094640.html
> shows a splitting type machine.
> Want a SLOWER one -http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/lee0501.html
>
> Works using the same principal just slower.
>
> > If you're setting up to cut shingles, or anything of any value for
> > that matter, minimizing waste is paramount, as is accuracy and
> > repeatability. =A0How does the machine you use allow the shingles to be
> > =A0cut on a taper?
>
> Tapered shingles are a relatively "new" version. They came about because
> =A0they allowed the use of lower quality lumber. The stuff with knots or
> crooked grain. That wood didn't work well with splitting type machines
> but works fine with a saw. It also allowed the shakes to be cut longer
> because it didn't depend on grain line to work.
>
>
>
> > Having that thing run by a tractor might be misleading. =A0It obviously
> > =A0operates much faster in the video than is safe or accurate. =A0If it
> > were operating off of say an overhead shaft at a lower speed, that
> > would address some of the issues. =A0How is yours powered?
>
> Original power was a large water wheel and it was belted WAY down. In
> use it makes one full stroke in 8 seconds. 4 down and 4 up. Currently it
> is powered by a small Fairbanks-Morse engine.
>
>
>
> > As to Rob's question about shingle sizes:
> >http://www.woodsiding.com/prices.htmPlease note that shingles are
> > always sold as tapered resawn shingles. I have never seen a 'shaved'
> > shingle. =A0That is why I'm guessing the machine was either not a
> > shingle cutter or was repurposed.
>
> > R
>
> I wish I had a video. Will have to wait till next years show...
Good post - informative. Thanks.
Your point about tapering coming about because it allowed the use of
lower quality wood confuses the issue a bit. Tapering is always a
good idea, regardless of the quality of wood. Tapered shingles and
shakes lay flatter, which is not only desirable in a roof or siding,
it's pretty much a necessity. If they don't lay flat, they blow off
in the wind. I don't know that I've ever seen any structure with non-
tapered shingles/shakes, although I don't doubt that it's been done.
The centuries old Norse stave churches used tapered shingles.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29745461@N03/3147708575
The only real benefits of sawn shingles are less waste, greater
uniformity (which translates to speed in laying) and a more refined
appearance. Lower quality wood shingles, those with knots that would
interfere with splitting, must be resawn, but they're never used on a
roof, only as a siding undercourse...or, in my case, shims!
I still want to see the video of your machine in operation. I'm
patient and can wait. Thanks.
R
On Oct 14, 7:25=A0am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> "George W Frost" <[email protected]> fired this volley innews:TDAto.=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > But, realistically folks, the guy holding the wood log, is holding it
> > the wrong way, it should be held end up so the blade splits down the
> > grain of the wood
> > It is a shingle cutter
>
> Might be, but if it is, it's for cutting siding shingles, and not roofing
> shingles. =A0The stroke is too short. =A0It wouldn't handle a butt longer=
than
> about 8".
No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. Shingles/shakes were
rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's side.
Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut the log so
that the grain would guarantee the shingle would curl. That machine
has no depth control so the 'shingles' wouldn't be even remotely
uniform. In addition, who would ever have a machine where you'd have
to lift logs up to chest height to cut them and do it for hours on
end? It's more likely an amputee maker than a shingle cutting
machine.
R
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:57:43 -0400, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Ooh, I actually have (probably wrong) ideas on three of them this week!
2059 looks like a mechanism from an electric can opener
2060 I was going to say that this hangs a Foucault pendulum, but the
more I look at it, I don't think so. Put a wire through the center
pipe, though, and you've got a ghastly retro light fixture!
2062 Jar/bottle opener? Put the teeth around the lid of a jar, and
twist.
Now to see how badly wrong I am. ;-)
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
On 10/14/2010 8:55 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> A couple of people have suggested that the machine is a fodder cutter,
> for cutting up corn stalks, etc. But that part on the top that he pulls
> down to use as a pusher would seem to work better with wood than with
> corn stalks.
>
>
> Rob
cole slaw?
Doesn't seem useful for much besides making kindling.
Rob H. wrote:
> I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2059 - Old can opener. Drive the point in then use the teeth and the
handle motion to ratchet the cutter around the can.
2060 -
2061 -
2062 - Stubborn bottle lid assist device
2063 - Hop bar with a cross handle.
2064 - Looks like a shingle mill BUT he is feeding it the wrong way.
Shingles are split from the block vertically. It is also missing a
couple parts. There should be a stop for the block and it should be run
slower.
--
Steve W.
RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 14, 7:25 am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
> <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>> "George W Frost" <[email protected]> fired this volley
>> innews:[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>
>>> But, realistically folks, the guy holding the wood log, is
>>> holding it the wrong way, it should be held end up so the blade
>>> splits down the grain of the wood It is a shingle cutter
>> Might be, but if it is, it's for cutting siding shingles, and not
>> roofing shingles. The stroke is too short. It wouldn't handle a
>> butt longer than about 8".
>
> No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. Shingles/shakes were
> rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's side.
> Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut the log so
> that the grain would guarantee the shingle would curl. That machine
> has no depth control so the 'shingles' wouldn't be even remotely
> uniform. In addition, who would ever have a machine where you'd have
> to lift logs up to chest height to cut them and do it for hours on
> end? It's more likely an amputee maker than a shingle cutting
> machine.
>
> R
The shingle cutter I run works just like the one in the video. It has
all the parts though, this one is missing the stop and bed guide (they
are both easy to remove/lose.... They make siding shingles not roof
shingles.
--
Steve W.
(\___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2059 Can Opener
2060 sword rack
2061 cork screw
2062 Grip aid to open bottles and jars
2063 post hole digger or hole for golf
2064 maybe a shim cutter
Robert
2059 looks like a variation on a can opener.
2060 is probably part of a lamp chandelier. Could be a spinning "guest
check" from an old diner. Order up!
2061 came from an old time barber shop, to hang the leather razor
strop.
2062 is a gripper, to help arthritic people open jars.
2063 Amish post hole digger.
2064, could be a brush cutter? For chopping up brush and branches?
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Rob
On 10/14/10 4:57 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2063: Driving posts can be quicker and easier than digging and tamping.
Driving a blunt wood post can be difficult, especially getting it
started with the top up high. This device could make a pilot hole to
drive a post.
2064: Splitting firewood helps it dry faster and stack better. It's
slow labor. Instead of splitting, this machine could cut away sides to
make square logs with no bark. Perhaps the presser could be used to
make logs of uniform thickness. That would make stacking easy. They'd
dry fast and you'd have a supply of kindling.
> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this one.
>
> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
Did you check out my answers for last week's set? I had also posted a video
then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by videos, you
should have had the same issue last Friday.
Rob
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> Am 14.10.2010 10:57, schrieb Rob H.:
>> I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2059 a old-fashioned can opener
>
> 2059 a little helper for opening jars and bottles
These are both correct.
> 2060: looks like a hardware store display rack for handsaws
Good answer
> 2061: Could be a coathanging hook, in a form suitable
> for quickly affixing to your log cabin wall...
Correct!
> 2062: a grip gizmo for opening jars and bottles
Three for three
> 2063: perhaps a horticultural hole-maker? To plant a seedling into...
Possibly, still not sure about this one.
Rob
On 10/14/10 8:45 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this one.
>>
>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>
>
> Did you check out my answers for last week's set? I had also posted a
> video then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by
> videos, you should have had the same issue last Friday.
>
>
> Rob
I disabled javascript and reloaded the page. The video ran. I suppose
it's flash.
On 10/14/10 11:58 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2010-10-15, Rob H.<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this one.
>>>
>>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>>
>>
>> Did you check out my answers for last week's set?
>
> Yes -- most of them.
>
>> I had also posted a video
>> then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by videos, you
>> should have had the same issue last Friday.
>
> I skipped the video (and hoped that you were not going to make a
> habit of videos), but I was able to see everything else then. I was
> also able to see everything else earlier today, before going into Usenet
> to read rec.crafts.metalworking (different program for usenet reading
> than for web browsing for me), and when I hit it in usenet, I re-opened
> the browser, and then hit the problem of not being able to see the still
> images until I turned on JavaScript.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>
I could see the page and the video without Javascript. However, the
bitstream was too fast for my computer to process, so the video of the
motion skipped a lot of frames.
Here's a version with less resolution and better motion for my computer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZlIB1tbes
It looks like a quick way to dress firewood. The assistant puts logs on
the deck to the operator's left. The operator gives a log four chops
with the machine, removing bark and bumps from four sides. A chalk line
on the plate would let him position the log by eye so opposite flats
were parallel and the logs were approximately the same thickness. He
wouldn't need to remove all the bark; the dressed log would resemble an
octagon.
Then he tosses the log to the ground on his right and picks up another.
Much quicker and easier than splitting.
Now the logs will dry faster, and they can be stacked stably without
posts or repositioning. Kindling is a byproduct. I think the pressing
lever is to make kindling of pieces too thin to make dressed logs.
I think the small youtube movies are great. They sure didn't help
me figure out the steam driven cutter, but I can't imagine
understanding anything about it without the movie to see it run.
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of
>> this one.
>>
>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>
>
> Did you check out my answers for last week's set? I had also
> posted a video then, for the fence machine, so if the Java
> problem is caused by videos, you should have had the same issue
> last Friday.
>
>
> Rob
> 2063) Hmm -- it could be used for making a post hole in fairly
> compactable (moist) dirt. And depending on how hard the point
> is, it might be used to break up rocks in a post hole being
> drilled by more common tools.
I like the breaking up rocks idea but don't know if that was its intended
purpose.
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Still not sure about the last two but the first four were answered
correctly:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/10/set-358.html#answers
I'll probably post another weekend set sometime tomorrow.
Rob
>
> The shingle cutter I run works just like the one in the video. It has
> all the parts though, this one is missing the stop and bed guide (they
> are both easy to remove/lose.... They make siding shingles not roof
> shingles.
Sounds good to me, what is the typical size for a siding shingle and a
roofing shingle?
Rob H. wrote:
...
> Sounds good to me, what is the typical size for a siding shingle and a
> roofing shingle?
I don't know nuthin' about siding; roofing shingles are
24" --> "Royal"
18" --> "Perfection"
16" -- "Five-x" 5 butts thickeness-->2" minimum
There are grades within the classifications #1, 2, 3 that specify clear
area from butt, minimum widths/lengths, parallel to within, etc., etc.,
etc., ...
Generally #1 are allowed to be 1" under nominal and have longer setback
allowances. Steeper-pitch roofs allow shorter lengths to be used.
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On 10/16/10 7:39 AM, George W Frost wrote:
> If you look at the video, you will see that he pushes the log into the
> cutter and the log slips, because it is round
> To cut something you need it to be flat on the table side
It seemed to work fine when he used two hands with a round side against
the table. The flat side was on the table when the blade picked up the
billet on its upstroke. It looks like too much friction between the
side of the blade and the face of the billet. Maybe the blade was rusty
and maybe he pushed too hard.
If he had continued using both hands, he could have had a billet with
four flattened faces, good for stacking and drying. I think an
assistant would have been on a truck on the operator's right.
> He is pushing the log into the cutter the wrong way.
I'm not sure what you mean. Patent 609114, "Machine for Preparing Wood
for Fuel," shows a similar reciprocating blade taking slices from the
side of a billet. The billet is in a hopper, which makes it gravity fed
and keeps fingers away.
The mystery machine looks more dangerous and more laborious. The
advantage I see is that the operator could produce squared billets. In
that case, the pusher would not normally have been used, just as I don't
normally use a pusher stick with my chipper. (I wonder why the pusher
handle on the mystery machine is bright red. Something new?)
The hydraulic splitter would have superseded this machine.
>
> I change my mind and say it is a chaff cutter
>
>
I'd hate to cut up a pile of straw by having somebody give me a handful
at a time to hold on a little table near a big blade. Wouldn't a chaff
cutter have a feed chute and a way to collect the chopped material?
On 10/17/10 3:46 PM, Kerry Montgomery wrote:
>> The mystery machine looks more dangerous and more laborious. The
>> > advantage I see is that the operator could produce squared billets. In
>> > that case, the pusher would not normally have been used, just as I don't
>> > normally use a pusher stick with my chipper. (I wonder why the pusher
>> > handle on the mystery machine is bright red. Something new?)
> Blood?
>
http://www.topnews.in/german-farmer-flexes-fingers-after-doublearm-transplant-2191171
RicodJour wrote:
...
> The only real benefits of sawn shingles are less waste, greater
> uniformity (which translates to speed in laying) and a more refined
> appearance. ...
IMO (having many buildings using them) the primary benefit of sawn
shingle over a shake or riven shingle is that they lay much flatter so
on slatted roof w/o underlayment (the traditional installation), they
protect against wind-driven snow far better.
I made mistake on re-roof of the barn to use shakes instead owing to
local supplier being out of enough stock on hand late in season (had had
a major hailstorm that had caused very high demand in town but by time I
was ready to start that year the demand had gone down and they didn't
want to order a full truckload w/ nowhere to store over winter) made me
a "deal" on 1/2" shakes at $95/sq instead of nearly $300/sq for the 75
sq needed on special order.
Was a mistake; KS winter snow blows even though is water tight otherwise...
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Nick wrote:
> "Steve W." <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Sawing allows for all the above, BUT split shakes were around LONG
>> before they even thought about sawn shakes. As for knots, they were
>> used regardless, as long as the knot was not in the face area on the
>> shake it didn't make much difference for the undercourse. Same with
>> warped/twisted grain, saws allowed that wood to be used. Splitting
>> didn't.
>
> Do split shingles last longer than sawn? I wonder if that absence of
> exposed grain ends on the surface helps prevent water penetration.
#1 shingles will be of equal duration as shakes of same material and
quality and initial butt thickness. Key is comparing equal amount of
material; shakes generally are 1/2" or even thicker; a "fivex" is 5/2"
or just a little over 3/8" so there's less material.
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 19, 10:37 am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> #1 shingles will be of equal duration as shakes of same material and
>> quality and initial butt thickness. Key is comparing equal amount of
>> material; shakes generally are 1/2" or even thicker; a "fivex" is 5/2"
>> or just a little over 3/8" so there's less material.
>
> 2"/5
Wrote 5/2" as short for "5 shingles per 2" total thickness", not as a
quotient...but, 2"/5 is the fractional way to determine that they're
nominal minimal 0.40" each, indeed...
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>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2061 Removing corks from wine bottles?
2062 for removing jar caps and bottle caps. ?
"Esra Sdrawkcab" <[email protected]> writes:
>On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:58:04 +0100, RicodJour <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Oct 17, 7:00 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> RicodJour wrote:
>>> > On Oct 14, 1:04 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> RicodJour wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. Shingles/shakes
>>> >>> were rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's
>>> >>> side. Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut
>
>In the UK shingles is a type of disease.
It is a type of disease in the United States. It's also a roofing material.
Isn't English wonderful?
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2064 could be a chaff cutter
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:58:04 +0100, RicodJour <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Oct 17, 7:00 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>> > On Oct 14, 1:04 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> RicodJour wrote:
>>
>> >>> No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. Shingles/shakes
>> >>> were rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's
>> >>> side. Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut
In the UK shingles is a type of disease.
I imagine roofing tiles made of wood came about due to the it's cheap
availability; we'd use slate or tiles, neither of which rot. Older roofing
methods involved thatch or turf, but without constant maintenenace) there
are few left nowadays.
We
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 14, 1:04 pm, "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>
>>> No way, no how is that for cutting shingles. Shingles/shakes
>>> were rived with a froe, originally, and not shaved off of a log's
>>> side. Even if the log were held vertically, that thing would cut
>>> the log so that the grain would guarantee the shingle would curl.
>>> That machine has no depth control so the 'shingles' wouldn't be
>>> even remotely uniform. In addition, who would ever have a
>>> machine where you'd have to lift logs up to chest height to cut
>>> them and do it for hours on end? It's more likely an amputee
>>> maker than a shingle cutting machine.
>>
>> The shingle cutter I run works just like the one in the video. It
>> has all the parts though, this one is missing the stop and bed
>> guide (they are both easy to remove/lose.... They make siding
>> shingles not roof shingles.
>
> Without the parts you mention, the machine isn't a shingle cutter,
> it's a fair attraction for people waiting to see a guy get his hand
> cut off. ;)
Yep just like most other old equipment...
>
> Is it possible that your shingle cutter was repurposed? If it looks
> like the one that Rob posted, I'd think that wasn't much of a
> stretch. Post a picture, or better yet a video, of the shingle
> cutter you use in operation. Thanks.
links removed
However those are all newer machines than the pictured one. The one Rob
posted is basically a mechanical version of a fro. The shakes it makes
get split down the grain line.
The ones you linked to cut the shingles.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2094640.html
shows a splitting type machine.
Want a SLOWER one -
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/lee0501.html
Works using the same principal just slower.
> If you're setting up to cut shingles, or anything of any value for
> that matter, minimizing waste is paramount, as is accuracy and
> repeatability. How does the machine you use allow the shingles to be
> cut on a taper?
Tapered shingles are a relatively "new" version. They came about because
they allowed the use of lower quality lumber. The stuff with knots or
crooked grain. That wood didn't work well with splitting type machines
but works fine with a saw. It also allowed the shakes to be cut longer
because it didn't depend on grain line to work.
>
> Having that thing run by a tractor might be misleading. It obviously
> operates much faster in the video than is safe or accurate. If it
> were operating off of say an overhead shaft at a lower speed, that
> would address some of the issues. How is yours powered?
Original power was a large water wheel and it was belted WAY down. In
use it makes one full stroke in 8 seconds. 4 down and 4 up. Currently it
is powered by a small Fairbanks-Morse engine.
>
> As to Rob's question about shingle sizes:
> http://www.woodsiding.com/prices.htm Please note that shingles are
> always sold as tapered resawn shingles. I have never seen a 'shaved'
> shingle. That is why I'm guessing the machine was either not a
> shingle cutter or was repurposed.
>
> R
I wish I had a video. Will have to wait till next years show...
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On 2010-10-14, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
2059) Hmm ... none of the photos are coming up now. I saw them
earlier today - before getting into news, but they are not here
now, and I don't remember which images went with which number.
O.K. I had JavaScript off. Why should I need to have
Javascript enabled to view these? I prefer to have it off full
time.
Anyway -- this thing appears to me to be a can opener. You
drive the sharp spike into the top near the rim, and the
ratcheting spur rides on the outside of the rim to pull it
around cutting the lit out.
2060) Looks like a rotating hanging rack for kitchen tools -- pots
and pans mostly. *Except* that it appears to have printing on
the sides near the loops, which suggests that it is a sales
display for something. Still hands from the ceiling.
2061) Looks to me like a rather poor example of a corkscrew. Rather
likely to pull out of the cork. Nicely made, though.
2062) A multi-sized bottle lid remover -- improves the user's grip.
2063) Hmm -- it could be used for making a post hole in fairly
compactable (moist) dirt. And depending on how hard the point
is, it might be used to break up rocks in a post hole being
drilled by more common tools.
I presume that the hit-and-miss engines in the background are not
related.
2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this one.
Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
Please -- no more videos.
Now to see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
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On 2010-10-15, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 2064) I don't turn on videos on BlogSpot, so I'll stay out of this one.
>>
>> Is this why the site requires JavaScript today?
>
>
> Did you check out my answers for last week's set?
Yes -- most of them.
> I had also posted a video
> then, for the fence machine, so if the Java problem is caused by videos, you
> should have had the same issue last Friday.
I skipped the video (and hoped that you were not going to make a
habit of videos), but I was able to see everything else then. I was
also able to see everything else earlier today, before going into Usenet
to read rec.crafts.metalworking (different program for usenet reading
than for web browsing for me), and when I hit it in usenet, I re-opened
the browser, and then hit the problem of not being able to see the still
images until I turned on JavaScript.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>I need some assistance solving the last two in this week's set:
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2061 cork remover from bottle. ?
>
> 2062 Jar and bottle cap remover. ?
>Sorry about 2nd post. did not think it went the first time. ww