Door opening up, with "lid stay" (Amortization)

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:35:36 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Sonnich Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am not to sure about the english terms, but here it goes
>>
>> I have made this cupboard for my caravan, with the upper
>> part at 13 deg angle leaning forward:
>> http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_pic.jpg
>> http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_new.jpg (red lines are as I
>> decided to make it)
>> The angle is 13 degrees
>>
>> I made some doors, and the fit, but I need to be able to
>> open them. The lower part of the cupboard is made without
>> knops/buttons, so one simply push and it pops open. On
>> the top I have those locks already, but I have been
>> looking for a wait to keep it up. The upper door is 200mm
>> high and the lower 220
>>
>> One way was:
>> http://www.italianaferramenta.it/catalogue/opening-systems/kraby-lid-stay-system.php
>> Now it is too strong (50kn) and I cannot make it open
>> more than 90 degrees.
>>
>> I have tried those things for bar cupboards, but they are
>> too strong and will not let the lock pop the door open.
>> I'd prefer a simple solution in my caravan, as it is only
>> needed summer time, and it is "outdoors" all the time.
>>
>> Do you have any ideas on this?
>
>I am not totally clear on what you are doing. From your diagram, there
>appears to be one door and you want to hinge it at the top, is that correct?
>If so, it doesn't seem like that would work as the door length (top to
>bottom) is greater than the distance from the pivot point than to the top
>surface of the lower storage bins which means the door could never be
>opened.
>
>If it were me, I'd hinge the door at the bottom so it flops down; if the
>length is such that it would project outward too much I'd use two
>doors...one for the bottom section, one for the top section. Unless the
>door(s) is really, REALLY heavy, any of numerous catches should be
>sufficient to keep it closed, certainly so if the caravan wasn't moving. If
>it were moving, a bolt or dowel could be fitted to totally secure it. When
>I say "bolt" I am not talking about a threaded bolt but something like
>these...
>
>https://www.google.com/search?q=surface+bolt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3n7RUoPSELfMsQSDoYLIDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=621
>
>If you really want to hinge at the top and if the doors are no bigger than
>you stated, you could use the same sort of bolt to hold the door up. You
>would mount it on the inside of the door near the pivot line...lift the door
>up, engage the bolt and the door stays up.
>
>Another way is via a "gate leg". Those are often used on a table with a
>leaf that drops down. Basically, you would need an upside down "L" shape of
>metal or wood hinged and mounted on the outside of the cabinet side...lift
>the door up, swing out the gate leg so the door rests on it.
There are "friction" stays that would do the job quite well - I'll
see if I can find a reference


http://www.hardwaresource.com/hinges/CABINET+HINGES/Vertical+Door+Stays/Vertical+Swing+Lift-Up+Mechanism
Or use the hettich as your hinge.
http://www.hardwaresource.com/hinges/CABINET+HINGES/Vertical+Door+Stays/Hettich+Support+for+Up+Opening+Doors
Or
http://www.hardwaresource.com/hinges/CABINET+HINGES/Vertical+Door+Stays/Lift-up+Hinge

Or a "latch stay" like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-AUTOMATIC-LID-STAY-CABINET-KITCHEN-DOOR-LIFT-HINGE-CUPBOARD-LIFT-STAY-300MM-/400465029363#ht_2392wt_904

Lots of options.

All kinds of information on cupboard stays at
http://www.eurofitdirect.co.uk/how-to-guides-cupboard-stays

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:01:15 PM UTC+2, Sonnich Jensen wrote:
> Hi all
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> I am not to sure about the english terms, but here it goes
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> I have made this cupboard for my caravan, with the upper part at 13 deg a=
ngle leaning forward:
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> http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_new.jpg (red lines are as I decided to make=
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> The angle is 13 degrees
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> I made some doors, and the fit, but I need to be able to open them. The l=
ower part of the cupboard is made without knops/buttons, so one simply push=
and it pops open. On the top I have those locks already, but I have been l=
ooking for a wait to keep it up.
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> The upper door is 200mm high and the lower 220
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> One way was:
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> http://www.italianaferramenta.it/catalogue/opening-systems/kraby-lid-stay=
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> Now it is too strong (50kn) and I cannot make it open more than 90 degree=
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> I have tried those things for bar cupboards, but they are too strong and =
will not let the lock pop the door open. I'd prefer a simple solution in my=
caravan, as it is only needed summer time, and it is "outdoors" all the ti=
me.
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> Do you have any ideas on this?
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> Sonnich


More pictures:
hot.ee/sonnich/hinge1.jpg
hot.ee/sonnich/hinge2.jpg
hot.ee/sonnich/hinge3.jpg

I oiled the "bar limiter" and that makes it so soft that it opens, but when=
stretched it still holds the door up

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:35:36 PM UTC+2, dadiOH wrote:
> "Sonnich Jensen" wrote in message
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> >
>
> > I am not to sure about the english terms, but here it goes
>
> >
>
> > I have made this cupboard for my caravan, with the upper
>
> > part at 13 deg angle leaning forward:
>
> > http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_pic.jpg
>
> > http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_new.jpg (red lines are as I
>
> > decided to make it)
>
> > The angle is 13 degrees
>
> >
>
> > I made some doors, and the fit, but I need to be able to
>
> > open them. The lower part of the cupboard is made without
>
> > knops/buttons, so one simply push and it pops open. On
>
> > the top I have those locks already, but I have been
>
> > looking for a wait to keep it up. The upper door is 200mm
>
> > high and the lower 220
>
> >
>
> > One way was:
>
> > http://www.italianaferramenta.it/catalogue/opening-systems/kraby-lid-stay-system.php
>
> > Now it is too strong (50kn) and I cannot make it open
>
> > more than 90 degrees.
>
> >
>
> > I have tried those things for bar cupboards, but they are
>
> > too strong and will not let the lock pop the door open.
>
> > I'd prefer a simple solution in my caravan, as it is only
>
> > needed summer time, and it is "outdoors" all the time.
>
> >
>
> > Do you have any ideas on this?
>
>
>
> I am not totally clear on what you are doing. From your diagram, there
>
> appears to be one door and you want to hinge it at the top, is that correct?

Actually 2 doors on top, the lower part remain open "as a table" - there are 2 storage / shelfs on top. These are the items in question
The idea for opening up is that it will not break that easy and easy to access.
The lower part is made already and working well.

>
> If so, it doesn't seem like that would work as the door length (top to
>
> bottom) is greater than the distance from the pivot point than to the top
>
> surface of the lower storage bins which means the door could never be
>
> opened.
>
>
>
> If it were me, I'd hinge the door at the bottom so it flops down; if the

The problem in a small space as a caravan, is that at some time someone will hit it and it will break down.

>
> length is such that it would project outward too much I'd use two
>
> doors...one for the bottom section, one for the top section. Unless the
>
> door(s) is really, REALLY heavy, any of numerous catches should be

500g / app one pound - they are made light weight

>
> sufficient to keep it closed, certainly so if the caravan wasn't moving. If
>
> it were moving, a bolt or dowel could be fitted to totally secure it. When
>
> I say "bolt" I am not talking about a threaded bolt but something like
>
> these...

I found that this baar cupboard lock works
http://tarsiman.ee/index.php?page=tooted-furnituur&category_id=13

(look for Baarikapi piiraja) works when oiled well

The locks used are:
http://www.amazon.com/Cupboard-Caravan-Spring-Loaded-Catch/dp/B00CTIMACM

so, when pushed it pops open, and it is pulled up. The closed is released and pulled down

My only problem is that the bar cupboard limiter goes into the cupboard because of the angle, but that it really not a problem - there are ways to avoid that, and it is on the top.

If you like I can post some pictures


>
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=surface+bolt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3n7RUoPSELfMsQSDoYLIDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=621
>
>
>
> If you really want to hinge at the top and if the doors are no bigger than
>
> you stated, you could use the same sort of bolt to hold the door up. You
>
> would mount it on the inside of the door near the pivot line...lift the door
>
> up, engage the bolt and the door stays up.
>
>
>
> Another way is via a "gate leg". Those are often used on a table with a
>
> leaf that drops down. Basically, you would need an upside down "L" shape of
>
> metal or wood hinged and mounted on the outside of the cabinet side...lift
>
> the door up, swing out the gate leg so the door rests on it.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> dadiOH
>
> ____________________________
>
>
>
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>
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"Sonnich Jensen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi all
>
> I am not to sure about the english terms, but here it goes
>
> I have made this cupboard for my caravan, with the upper
> part at 13 deg angle leaning forward:
> http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_pic.jpg
> http://hot.ee/sonnich/caravan_new.jpg (red lines are as I
> decided to make it)
> The angle is 13 degrees
>
> I made some doors, and the fit, but I need to be able to
> open them. The lower part of the cupboard is made without
> knops/buttons, so one simply push and it pops open. On
> the top I have those locks already, but I have been
> looking for a wait to keep it up. The upper door is 200mm
> high and the lower 220
>
> One way was:
> http://www.italianaferramenta.it/catalogue/opening-systems/kraby-lid-stay-system.php
> Now it is too strong (50kn) and I cannot make it open
> more than 90 degrees.
>
> I have tried those things for bar cupboards, but they are
> too strong and will not let the lock pop the door open.
> I'd prefer a simple solution in my caravan, as it is only
> needed summer time, and it is "outdoors" all the time.
>
> Do you have any ideas on this?

I am not totally clear on what you are doing. From your diagram, there
appears to be one door and you want to hinge it at the top, is that correct?
If so, it doesn't seem like that would work as the door length (top to
bottom) is greater than the distance from the pivot point than to the top
surface of the lower storage bins which means the door could never be
opened.

If it were me, I'd hinge the door at the bottom so it flops down; if the
length is such that it would project outward too much I'd use two
doors...one for the bottom section, one for the top section. Unless the
door(s) is really, REALLY heavy, any of numerous catches should be
sufficient to keep it closed, certainly so if the caravan wasn't moving. If
it were moving, a bolt or dowel could be fitted to totally secure it. When
I say "bolt" I am not talking about a threaded bolt but something like
these...

https://www.google.com/search?q=surface+bolt&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=3n7RUoPSELfMsQSDoYLIDw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1333&bih=621

If you really want to hinge at the top and if the doors are no bigger than
you stated, you could use the same sort of bolt to hold the door up. You
would mount it on the inside of the door near the pivot line...lift the door
up, engage the bolt and the door stays up.

Another way is via a "gate leg". Those are often used on a table with a
leaf that drops down. Basically, you would need an upside down "L" shape of
metal or wood hinged and mounted on the outside of the cabinet side...lift
the door up, swing out the gate leg so the door rests on it.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
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