Apparently Milwaukee has entered the nail gun market this year. Amazon has
a very attractive price on a clipped head framing nail gun and apparently
Milwaukee makes a full head gun also.
Does anyone have any experience with either of these 2 guns? I wonder if
finish, brad, staple, etc.. will be offered some day.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ENL12E/ref=pe_th_hp_tn_2-7081716-6658540_p30l
The current pneumatic product line is at
http://www.milwaukeeconnect.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category1rd_27_40027_-1_189936_362
what you want is already offered.
Leon wrote:
> Apparently Milwaukee has entered the nail gun market this year. Amazon has
> a very attractive price on a clipped head framing nail gun and apparently
> Milwaukee makes a full head gun also.
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these 2 guns? I wonder if
> finish, brad, staple, etc.. will be offered some day.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ENL12E/ref=pe_th_hp_tn_2-7081716-6658540_p30l
IBM5081 wrote:
> The current pneumatic product line is at
> http://www.milwaukeeconnect.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category1rd_27_40027_-1_189936_362
> what you want is already offered.
>
> Leon wrote:
> > Apparently Milwaukee has entered the nail gun market this year. Amazon has
> > a very attractive price on a clipped head framing nail gun and apparently
> > Milwaukee makes a full head gun also.
> > Does anyone have any experience with either of these 2 guns? ...
I'm sure to the question asked is "yes", but not I... :)
However, my reason for posting is to strongly suggest whatever framing
nailer you buy, if any, be FRH, not clipped, simply for the additional
holding power of a FRH nail. Some places have already striken them,
all should.
Second minor gripe--not really very close to
"woodworking"...alt.home.repair or alt.building.construction would have
probably been closer targets...
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> "Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? I'd be real
> > surprised. It's my thought that the codes against clipped heads are just
> > another example of govenrment gone wild ...
> The whole clipped head, full head nail thing started in California in the
> earthquake prone areas from what I have been told. To date there are very
> few states or communities that have outlawed clipped head nails. On the
> plus side the roundrive nails which work well in clipped guns would seem
> to meet code.
...
Yes, it has been observed in failures in hurricane zones in comparison
of neighboring structures which survived/didn't survive catastrophic
damage and in similar investigations in tornado zones. I guess living
in an area susceptible to strong storms I'm sensitive but it only makes
sense to me. I don't have a reference at hand but I do recall at least
one pretty good summary report from TX Tech.
I don't know about the earthquake susceptibility--possible there, too,
I would suppose.
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > R. Pierce Butler wrote:
> >> "Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >> > Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? ...
> >
> >> The whole clipped head, full head nail thing started in California in
> >> the earthquake prone areas from what I have been told. To date there
> >> are very few states or communities that have outlawed clipped head
> >> nails. On the plus side the roundrive nails which work well in
> >> clipped guns would seem to meet code.
> > ...
> >
> > Yes, it has been observed in failures in hurricane zones in comparison
> > of neighboring structures which survived/didn't survive catastrophic
> > damage and in similar investigations in tornado zones. ...
> >
> > I don't know about the earthquake susceptibility--...
> >
>
> I do have to admit that the old clipped head nails were nasty. The new
> ones are much better. The Roundrive nails is all that I will use now.
I didn't like the idea from the first time I saw it (clipped head, that
is). Only purpose was to speed up construction to hold more nails in a
magazine, nothing more. Not that higher productivity is necessarily
bad in construction as in anything else, but some things just aren't as
good as what they replace--clipped head nails were one instance where
an innovation became widespread w/o direct immediate consequences that
only show up later if you're one of the unfortunate...
"R. Pierce Butler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> short order.
>
> Why the Milwaukee? The design is great. Powerful. Amount of recoil is
> fair. It is lightweight too. Disadvantages to the Milwaukee? It holds a
> little more than one stick of nails. The plus side is that you can get
> in
> between the studs if you have to.
>
> Would I buy another Milwaukee nailer? You bet.
>
Thank you sir, I'll certainly put it on my "watch" list.
"Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? I'd be real
> surprised. It's my thought that the codes against clipped heads are
> just another example of govenrment gone wild If things keep going,
> the govenrment will have to draw all the plans and hire all the
> workers, it's so hard to know all the BS that has to be accommodated.
> For example, I'm involved in a
>
That's a really good question. I recently bought one of the framing
nailers that HF had on sale (<$60); it'll supposedly shoot either FRH or
CH nails.
In looking at the CH nails that it came with -- it doesn't really look
like *that* much surface area's missing. No, I haven't done the math to
figure out how much is really gone.
I'm not concerned about the (possibility of) code issues - I'm using it
for projects around the house where it's handy to use, and the price was
too much to pass up. If it survives the one main project I've got in
mind for it (and I see no reason that it shouldn't), it'll have been
money well spent.
--
Regards,
JT
Speaking only for myself....
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Apparently Milwaukee has entered the nail gun market this year. Amazon
> has a very attractive price on a clipped head framing nail gun and
> apparently Milwaukee makes a full head gun also.
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these 2 guns? I wonder
> if finish, brad, staple, etc.. will be offered some day.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ENL12E/ref=pe_th_hp_tn_2-70817
> 16-6658540_p30l
>
>
Leon,
I have the clipped head nailer by Milwaukee. I first bought the Paslode
but returned it. I like the Milwaukee very much. The Paslode was just a
bitt too crude for my needs.
The Paslode "Roundrive" nails work very nicely in the gun and give you the
advantages of a clipped head nailer without the round head nail costs. I
bought a clipped head nailer for a couple of reasons.
1) Roundrive nails are cheap. Cheaper than the full round headed nails.
2) Plastic collated full head nails are a safety issue. I have been hit in
the face several times by bits of plastic and read where a construction
boss had had to pick bits of plastic out of the eyes of a few workers.
3) Wire collated nails are a PITA and expensive. You are out of nails in
short order.
Why the Milwaukee? The design is great. Powerful. Amount of recoil is
fair. It is lightweight too. Disadvantages to the Milwaukee? It holds a
little more than one stick of nails. The plus side is that you can get in
between the studs if you have to.
Would I buy another Milwaukee nailer? You bet.
"Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? I'd be real
> surprised. It's my thought that the codes against clipped heads are just
> another example of govenrment gone wild If things keep going, the
> govenrment will have to draw all the plans and hire all the workers,
> it's so hard to know all the BS that has to be accommodated. For
> example, I'm involved in a small 1500SF building project. The inspector
> told me today that there could be no unused breakers in the temporary
> service box and that all empty holes must be blocked off, even though
> there is a door on the box! He said a circuit could be added if a GFI
> breaker is used and he is called back to look at it! BULLSHIT!
>
> I'm glad I dont have to show him my extension cord with alligator clips
> I use at some of the radio towers I visit occasionally. It might not
> meet code.
>
> Somehow we need to work against this stuff. Our county has many
> inspectors, all with county pickups, who do nothing but drive around
> doing this kind of valuable work! Sometimes there are two of them in
> one truck! Becoming a Libertarian,
> Wilson
The whole clipped head, full head nail thing started in California in the
earthquake prone areas from what I have been told. To date there are very
few states or communities that have outlawed clipped head nails. On the
plus side the roundrive nails which work well in clipped guns would seem
to meet code.
Electrical inspectors can be a officious bunch of bastards in some areas
but when I installed the electric for my workshop the inspector came out
looked at the ground wire for the meter box and declared everything OK.
What do you want for $35.00 in permit fees?
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>> "Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? I'd be real
>> > surprised. It's my thought that the codes against clipped heads are
>> > just another example of govenrment gone wild ...
>
>> The whole clipped head, full head nail thing started in California in
>> the earthquake prone areas from what I have been told. To date there
>> are very few states or communities that have outlawed clipped head
>> nails. On the plus side the roundrive nails which work well in
>> clipped guns would seem to meet code.
> ...
>
> Yes, it has been observed in failures in hurricane zones in comparison
> of neighboring structures which survived/didn't survive catastrophic
> damage and in similar investigations in tornado zones. I guess living
> in an area susceptible to strong storms I'm sensitive but it only makes
> sense to me. I don't have a reference at hand but I do recall at least
> one pretty good summary report from TX Tech.
>
> I don't know about the earthquake susceptibility--possible there, too,
> I would suppose.
>
>
I do have to admit that the old clipped head nails were nasty. The new
ones are much better. The Roundrive nails is all that I will use now.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1155242037.877381.85880
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> >
>> > R. Pierce Butler wrote:
>> >> "Wilson" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> >> news:[email protected]:
>> >>
>> >> > Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? ...
>> >
>> >> The whole clipped head, full head nail thing started in California in
>> >> the earthquake prone areas from what I have been told. To date there
>> >> are very few states or communities that have outlawed clipped head
>> >> nails. On the plus side the roundrive nails which work well in
>> >> clipped guns would seem to meet code.
>> > ...
>> >
>> > Yes, it has been observed in failures in hurricane zones in comparison
>> > of neighboring structures which survived/didn't survive catastrophic
>> > damage and in similar investigations in tornado zones. ...
>> >
>> > I don't know about the earthquake susceptibility--...
>> >
>>
>> I do have to admit that the old clipped head nails were nasty. The new
>> ones are much better. The Roundrive nails is all that I will use now.
>
> I didn't like the idea from the first time I saw it (clipped head, that
> is). Only purpose was to speed up construction to hold more nails in a
> magazine, nothing more. Not that higher productivity is necessarily
> bad in construction as in anything else, but some things just aren't as
> good as what they replace--clipped head nails were one instance where
> an innovation became widespread w/o direct immediate consequences that
> only show up later if you're one of the unfortunate...
>
>
The plastic collated nails are more expensive than paper collated. The
wire collated nails even more so.
Find the Roundrive nails the next time you are out. They look pretty good.
Has anyone ever seen a nail pull the head through? I'd be real surprised.
It's my thought that the codes against clipped heads are just another
example of govenrment gone wild If things keep going, the govenrment will
have to draw all the plans and hire all the workers, it's so hard to know
all the BS that has to be accommodated. For example, I'm involved in a
small 1500SF building project. The inspector told me today that there could
be no unused breakers in the temporary service box and that all empty holes
must be blocked off, even though there is a door on the box! He said a
circuit could be added if a GFI breaker is used and he is called back to
look at it! BULLSHIT!
I'm glad I dont have to show him my extension cord with alligator clips I
use at some of the radio towers I visit occasionally. It might not meet
code.
Somehow we need to work against this stuff. Our county has many inspectors,
all with county pickups, who do nothing but drive around doing this kind of
valuable work! Sometimes there are two of them in one truck!
Becoming a Libertarian,
Wilson
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> IBM5081 wrote:
>> The current pneumatic product line is at
>> http://www.milwaukeeconnect.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category1rd_27_40027_-1_189936_362
>> what you want is already offered.
>>
>> Leon wrote:
>> > Apparently Milwaukee has entered the nail gun market this year. Amazon
>> > has
>> > a very attractive price on a clipped head framing nail gun and
>> > apparently
>> > Milwaukee makes a full head gun also.
>> > Does anyone have any experience with either of these 2 guns? ...
>
> I'm sure to the question asked is "yes", but not I... :)
>
> However, my reason for posting is to strongly suggest whatever framing
> nailer you buy, if any, be FRH, not clipped, simply for the additional
> holding power of a FRH nail. Some places have already striken them,
> all should.
>
> Second minor gripe--not really very close to
> "woodworking"...alt.home.repair or alt.building.construction would have
> probably been closer targets...
>
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm sure to the question asked is "yes", but not I... :)
Yeah, I was fishing for some experienced feed back. :~)
>
> However, my reason for posting is to strongly suggest whatever framing
> nailer you buy, if any, be FRH, not clipped, simply for the additional
> holding power of a FRH nail. Some places have already striken them,
> all should.
I am not really in the market as I have access to a Paslode hoseless. It
works very well but I would prefer to use the full head rather than the
clipped head that this particular gun uses.
>
> Second minor gripe--not really very close to
> "woodworking"...alt.home.repair or alt.building.construction would have
> probably been closer targets...
>
Well actually all sized nail guns are have been discussed on this group for
several years. Perhaps other groups may have been closer but wood working
is wood working. Many many many discussions on home shops, fencing, room
additions, etc. are discussed here.