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Enoch Root

30/01/2006 12:35 PM

OT: Ebay's new feedback system modifications

At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
by the first party from the second until the second has given their
feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
feedback left.

It also reduces the need to require that the
seller leave feedback first.


Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)

I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
before the buyer.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 6:48 PM

Odinn wrote:
> On 1/31/2006 8:53 AM Ralph E Lindberg mumbled something about the
> following:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>>>
>>> Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
>>> feedback left.
>>>
>>> It also reduces the need to require that the
>>> seller leave feedback first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
>>> it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
>>>
>>> I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
>>> before the buyer.

>> Not a bad idea, if I could just get buyers to leave feed-back.... My
>> experience is that less then 1/2 do. While it appears more like 80 or
>> 90 percent of sellers do

I have a much better ratio than that. It's closer to 1.0, but sometimes
I mess up and misread the post dates on seller's feedback and their buyer's.

> Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
> feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
> buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
> feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.

I do the same as you. I expect that the seller should be giving
feedback on my purchase, not holding it over my head as a retaliation
should I not be happy and decide to leave negative feedback.

I never tell them that I won't leave feedback unless they do, however.
It's up to them to figure out or act positively without figuring it out,
or do without my feedback. Unless I feel really bad about something
(never have...), in which case I would leave a negative, then I would
also not have to worry about the retaliation because I imagine their
(putative) shoddy behavior would be clear.

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Vince Heuring

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 8:51 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Old Grey
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:46:55 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> On posting feedback, as a buyer I wait until I get the item and make
> sure it is as described. I have bought many items and have had two
> items (same seller) not leave feedback. As a seller I generally wait
> until I know that the package has arrived (tracking information) and
> then post my feedback. Out of the 80 or so items I have sold and left
> feedback for I have had around 10 or 15 not leave feedback. It is
> generally the newer members that do not leave feedback.

Funny, I see it the opposite way. As a seller I want to be sure the
buyer is happy, and has left positive feedback before I'll leave the
seller's feedback.

What if, as a seller, you post positive feedback before the buyer has,
and *then* the buyer acts like an a**hole and changes his mind about
the purchase? Maybe he wants to return the item at your expense, maybe
claiming it was not as advertised or some other false claim.

As a buyer I leave feedback after I have received the mdse and found it
to be as claimed.

OTOH I have never had a bad experience as either buyer or seller, and
I've been involved in over 50 transactions as buyer and seller.

OTPS: My *first* shipment on my new Fedex account went missing -- an
80# 22" LaCie monitor, shipped in the original packaging with the
Fedex-printed label. Tracking showed the original drop-off, and then
nothing. Fedex couldn't find it, and asked me to make a claim. Which I
have, no word after 1-1/2 weeks. I had to refund the buyer over $300,
including a $90.00 shipping charge. Feh.

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Argon

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 1:21 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Odinn
<[email protected]> wrote:


>
> If you were a B&M business, would you wait to thank me for my purchase
> until after I took my purchase home and decided if I wanted to keep it,
> or would you thank me for my purchase when I paid for it?
>

The point is that eBay is way different from a B&M business. In a B&M
transaction the buyer is buying stock item, he's picked it up and
looked at it, decided he wants it, gone to the cashier, and paid his
money. Transaction done. Of course I'd thank him and wish him a good
day.

On eBay the mdse is really an unknown quantity until the buyer receives
it and examines it. The seller may not even know if the buyer has
received the item until feedback is received.

Like I said, as a seller I want to be sure the buyer is happy, and has
left positive feedback before I'll leave the seller's feedback.

YMMV.

OG

Old Grey

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 11:07 PM

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:51:09 -0700, Vince Heuring
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Funny, I see it the opposite way. As a seller I want to be sure the
>buyer is happy, and has left positive feedback before I'll leave the
>seller's feedback.
>
>snip

I used to wait for the buyer to leave feedback before I did as well.
Turned out a lot of sellers I bought from gave me feedback as soon as
they shipped and I started to think that as long as I describe the
merchandize correctly, show adequate pictures of it, and sell it for a
reasonable price including little to no handling fees, I should be
alright. Heck if the buyer wants to leave negative feedback me
holding off on mine isn't going to do anything anyway and who cares if
they have a positive from me. I can always leave a response to their
feedback if necessary.

n

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

30/01/2006 10:55 PM

Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I didn't notice it... I buy a lot
of different tools and supplies there but since I haven't had any
problems with anyone I have never really paid attention.

If you find this to be true, please post a follow up post, and I will
do the same.

Thanks -

Robert

Ff

"Fred"

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 4:19 AM


[email protected] wrote:
> Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I didn't notice it... I buy a lot
> of different tools and supplies there but since I haven't had any
> problems with anyone I have never really paid attention.
>
> If you find this to be true, please post a follow up post, and I will
> do the same.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Robert

I had a recent sale where I got an email from the buyer that said they
had left positive feedback for me (I hadn't left their's yet) and when
I looked there was nothing in my feedback. After I posted their
feedback, mine showed up.

Fred

DN

"Dhakala"

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 10:12 AM


Enoch Root wrote:
> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

They don't. Feedback often takes a day or so to show up after it's left.

Ff

"Fred"

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 5:45 PM

I wonder if this means that if you leave negative, and the other party
doesn't leave feedback it will never show up?

Fred

JB

John B

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 2:42 AM

Odinn wrote:
> On 1/31/2006 8:53 AM Ralph E Lindberg mumbled something about the
> following:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>>>
>>> Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
>>> feedback left.
>>>
>>> It also reduces the need to require that the
>>> seller leave feedback first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
>>> it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
>>>
>>> I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
>>> before the buyer.
>>>
>>> er
>>
>>
>> Not a bad idea, if I could just get buyers to leave feed-back.... My
>> experience is that less then 1/2 do. While it appears more like 80 or
>> 90 percent of sellers do
>>
>
> Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
> feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
> buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
> feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.
>
I'm with you on that.
The sellers feedback "SHOULD" have nothing to do with the buyers
feedback. His should be restricted to communication and a successful
completion of the deal in a reasonable time.
The Buyers "SHOULD" be restricted to a seedy delivery, truth in
promotion of the product and quality.

I very rarely purchase from sellers who demand that I leave feedback
prior to them leaving it for me. On the few occasions that I have, I
have never left feedback for them.

Their feedback has nothing to do with mine and visa versa.

Regards
John

OL

Oleg Lego

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 12:00 AM

The Ralph E Lindberg entity posted thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Odinn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>...
>>
>> Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
>> feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
>> buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
>> feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.
>
>In the latest case, I had two sales totaling $500, both people picked
>them up, both peopel raved about what they got, both people had feedback
>before they got home. Neither has given feedback in return and it's been
>almost two weeks.

Don't be shy. Send them an email and ask for feedback.

ER

Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 3:46 PM

Fred wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:

>>Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I didn't notice it... I buy a lot
>>of different tools and supplies there but since I haven't had any
>>problems with anyone I have never really paid attention.
>>
>>If you find this to be true, please post a follow up post, and I will
>>do the same.

> I had a recent sale where I got an email from the buyer that said they
> had left positive feedback for me (I hadn't left their's yet) and when
> I looked there was nothing in my feedback. After I posted their
> feedback, mine showed up.

That's what I noticed: you see feedback has been left on your "My Ebay"
summary page, but it doesn't show up on your feedback page until you've
submitted your own.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 6:06 PM

Fred wrote:
> I wonder if this means that if you leave negative, and the other party
> doesn't leave feedback it will never show up?

Good question. I knew there must be a bad side!

I'm beginning to think, though, that it may be nothing more than a
synchronization issue of the databases. Haven't seen anything like a
confirmation.

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Odinn

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 8:51 PM

On 2/4/2006 3:21 PM Argon mumbled something about the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, Odinn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> If you were a B&M business, would you wait to thank me for my purchase
>> until after I took my purchase home and decided if I wanted to keep it,
>> or would you thank me for my purchase when I paid for it?
>>
>
> The point is that eBay is way different from a B&M business. In a B&M
> transaction the buyer is buying stock item, he's picked it up and
> looked at it, decided he wants it, gone to the cashier, and paid his
> money. Transaction done. Of course I'd thank him and wish him a good
> day.
>
> On eBay the mdse is really an unknown quantity until the buyer receives
> it and examines it. The seller may not even know if the buyer has
> received the item until feedback is received.
>
> Like I said, as a seller I want to be sure the buyer is happy, and has
> left positive feedback before I'll leave the seller's feedback.
>
> YMMV.

I'll make sure I don't buy from you, because you'll never get feedback
from me.

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Odinn

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 8:45 PM

On 1/31/2006 8:53 AM Ralph E Lindberg mumbled something about the following:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>>
>> Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
>> feedback left.
>>
>> It also reduces the need to require that the
>> seller leave feedback first.
>>
>>
>> Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
>> it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
>>
>> I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
>> before the buyer.
>>
>> er
>
> Not a bad idea, if I could just get buyers to leave feed-back.... My
> experience is that less then 1/2 do. While it appears more like 80 or 90
> percent of sellers do
>

Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.

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Odinn

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 8:54 PM

On 2/4/2006 6:07 PM Old Grey mumbled something about the following:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:51:09 -0700, Vince Heuring
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Funny, I see it the opposite way. As a seller I want to be sure the
>> buyer is happy, and has left positive feedback before I'll leave the
>> seller's feedback.
>>
>> snip
>
> I used to wait for the buyer to leave feedback before I did as well.
> Turned out a lot of sellers I bought from gave me feedback as soon as
> they shipped and I started to think that as long as I describe the
> merchandize correctly, show adequate pictures of it, and sell it for a
> reasonable price including little to no handling fees, I should be
> alright. Heck if the buyer wants to leave negative feedback me
> holding off on mine isn't going to do anything anyway and who cares if
> they have a positive from me. I can always leave a response to their
> feedback if necessary.
>
>

Absolutely correct. If the merchandise I purchase is as told, and I
received it in reasonable time, and email correspondence is good if the
shipping takes longer than expected, then I have no reason to give
negative feedback, but I'm not going to give it if the seller hasn't
given feedback. I'm the buyer, the seller already has my money and
already knows what his feedback is of the transaction before I even
receive it.

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Doug Miller

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 12:59 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

Based on my experience, I'd say you've misinterpreted what happened. I
have sold several things on eBay in the last couple days, and haven't
left feedback for the buyers yet -- but I can see that one of them has
left feedback for me.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 3:50 PM

Dhakala wrote:
> Enoch Root wrote:
>
>>At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

> They don't. Feedback often takes a day or so to show up after it's left.

Then it's entirely coincidence that the seller's feedback showed up on
my feedback page immediately after my having left mine? I should add
that I waited a considerable number of days after having noticed the
feedback left on the "My Ebay" page before posting mine, and during that
time it didn't appear.

But I suppose that's possible.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 12:42 AM

Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

> In the latest case, I had two sales totaling $500, both people picked
> them up, both peopel raved about what they got, both people had feedback
> before they got home. Neither has given feedback in return and it's been
> almost two weeks.

Say, when you pull up their feedback pages, do you see your feedback
contribution?

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[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 12:44 AM

In article <[email protected]>, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>Fred wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I didn't notice it... I buy a lot
>>>of different tools and supplies there but since I haven't had any
>>>problems with anyone I have never really paid attention.
>>>
>>>If you find this to be true, please post a follow up post, and I will
>>>do the same.
>
>> I had a recent sale where I got an email from the buyer that said they
>> had left positive feedback for me (I hadn't left their's yet) and when
>> I looked there was nothing in my feedback. After I posted their
>> feedback, mine showed up.
>
>That's what I noticed: you see feedback has been left on your "My Ebay"
>summary page, but it doesn't show up on your feedback page until you've
>submitted your own.

I wonder if you would have observed this phenomenon, had you cleared your
browser cache before checking your feedback page.... Hmmm. I think I'll try an
experiment there. I've sold a few items in the last couple days. They're still
in transit, so obviously there won't be any buyer feedback for a few days yet.
I think I'll just wait a bit to submit mine, and see what happens.

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Mike Berger

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 11:08 AM

I wasn't able to find an Ebay announcement or message about
this. I wonder if it's experimental and only appears during
testing?

Enoch Root wrote:
> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>
> Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
> feedback left.
>
> It also reduces the need to require that the
> seller leave feedback first.
>
>
> Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
> it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
>
> I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
> before the buyer.
>
> er

MB

Mike Berger

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 10:37 AM

I buy a lot of stuff on Ebay and usually leave feedback in
batches. It might be two months before I leave it -- though
I always do. Unless the seller only has limited feedback,
I don't perceive the need to hurry. If it's really important
to you, you could e-mail the buyer.



Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

> In the latest case, I had two sales totaling $500, both people picked
> them up, both peopel raved about what they got, both people had feedback
> before they got home. Neither has given feedback in return and it's been
> almost two weeks.
>

UC

Unquestionably Confused

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 3:47 AM

Enoch Root wrote:
> Odinn wrote:
>
>
>>> Not a bad idea, if I could just get buyers to leave feed-back.... My
>>>experience is that less then 1/2 do. While it appears more like 80 or
>>>90 percent of sellers do

When you walk into Rockler's or Woodcraft and plunk down a C-note for
something, would you be the least bit put off if the guy standing at the
register gave you a blank, bored look until you thanked him for taking
your money?

My feeling is that if I send Angelo Bagadonuts $50.00 for a Widgit on
Ebay, he's got my money and my trust before I get my goods. Once he's
got that, he has all that he hoped for. If he's playing it straight and
the merchandise is as described, what are the odds that a buyer's going
to go out of his way to mess with him?

Using the same logic, don't you think it more likely that the buyer will
say "you're welcome" by way of appropriate feedback if the seller says
"thank you" first as is appropriate?

Just my two cents but it strikes me as common courtesy which, alas, is
no longer all that common.



> I have a much better ratio than that. It's closer to 1.0, but sometimes
> I mess up and misread the post dates on seller's feedback and their buyer's.
>
>
>>Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
>>feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
>>buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
>>feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.

Amen brother!

Been there, done that.

No more!

Br

Ba r r y

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 10:59 PM

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:21:17 -0700, Argon <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>The point is that eBay is way different from a B&M business. In a B&M
>transaction the buyer is buying stock item, he's picked it up and
>looked at it, decided he wants it, gone to the cashier, and paid his
>money. Transaction done.

eBay is simply the world's largest flea market, complete with a mix of
professional vendors, black market merchandise, and amateur tag
salers.

Barry

OG

Old Grey

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 2:48 PM

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:46:55 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>That's what I noticed: you see feedback has been left on your "My Ebay"
>summary page, but it doesn't show up on your feedback page until you've
>submitted your own.
>
>er


I have sold several items during the last month, including this week.
I have seen my feedback as the seller posted and on the buyers
feedback page waiting for the buyer to reciprocate. I have also had a
few buyers beat me to the punch and leave their feedback, which shows
on my summary, before I have been able to leave theirs. This was just
in the last few days. I am not aware of any feedback posting changes.
I have noticed that sometimes I will see feedback posted by the
buyer/seller but not included in my summary number and that has been
the case several times and sometimes can last a day or two.

On posting feedback, as a buyer I wait until I get the item and make
sure it is as described. I have bought many items and have had two
items (same seller) not leave feedback. As a seller I generally wait
until I know that the package has arrived (tracking information) and
then post my feedback. Out of the 80 or so items I have sold and left
feedback for I have had around 10 or 15 not leave feedback. It is
generally the newer members that do not leave feedback.

RE

Ralph E Lindberg

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 5:35 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Odinn <[email protected]> wrote:

...
>
> Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
> feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
> buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
> feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.

In the latest case, I had two sales totaling $500, both people picked
them up, both peopel raved about what they got, both people had feedback
before they got home. Neither has given feedback in return and it's been
almost two weeks.

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Ralph E Lindberg

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

31/01/2006 5:53 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:

> At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
> by the first party from the second until the second has given their
> feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>
> Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
> feedback left.
>
> It also reduces the need to require that the
> seller leave feedback first.
>
>
> Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
> it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
>
> I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
> before the buyer.
>
> er

Not a bad idea, if I could just get buyers to leave feed-back.... My
experience is that less then 1/2 do. While it appears more like 80 or 90
percent of sellers do

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in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 9:06 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>
>>>At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>>by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>>feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>>
>>
>> Based on my experience, I'd say you've misinterpreted what happened. I
>> have sold several things on eBay in the last couple days, and haven't
>> left feedback for the buyers yet -- but I can see that one of them has
>> left feedback for me.
>
>Okay. You mean you can read the feedback? Okay.

Yes, absolutely.

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Odinn

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

04/02/2006 12:43 PM

On 2/4/2006 10:51 AM Vince Heuring mumbled something about the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, Old Grey
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:46:55 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On posting feedback, as a buyer I wait until I get the item and make
>> sure it is as described. I have bought many items and have had two
>> items (same seller) not leave feedback. As a seller I generally wait
>> until I know that the package has arrived (tracking information) and
>> then post my feedback. Out of the 80 or so items I have sold and left
>> feedback for I have had around 10 or 15 not leave feedback. It is
>> generally the newer members that do not leave feedback.
>
> Funny, I see it the opposite way. As a seller I want to be sure the
> buyer is happy, and has left positive feedback before I'll leave the
> seller's feedback.
>
> What if, as a seller, you post positive feedback before the buyer has,
> and *then* the buyer acts like an a**hole and changes his mind about
> the purchase? Maybe he wants to return the item at your expense, maybe
> claiming it was not as advertised or some other false claim.
>
> As a buyer I leave feedback after I have received the mdse and found it
> to be as claimed.
>
> OTOH I have never had a bad experience as either buyer or seller, and
> I've been involved in over 50 transactions as buyer and seller.
>
> OTPS: My *first* shipment on my new Fedex account went missing -- an
> 80# 22" LaCie monitor, shipped in the original packaging with the
> Fedex-printed label. Tracking showed the original drop-off, and then
> nothing. Fedex couldn't find it, and asked me to make a claim. Which I
> have, no word after 1-1/2 weeks. I had to refund the buyer over $300,
> including a $90.00 shipping charge. Feh.
>

If you were a B&M business, would you wait to thank me for my purchase
until after I took my purchase home and decided if I wanted to keep it,
or would you thank me for my purchase when I paid for it?

It's people like you who that I will never give feedback to.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 5:03 PM

Mike O. wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:12 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>>At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

> I can't tell that anything had changed at least as of 1-18.
> I bought an item on that date and I had positive feedback as soon as
> I paid the guy. That was about four days before I recieved the item
> and that's when I left his feedback.
> Maybe the change was after that...?

I noticed on the 27th, where the seller left theirs on the 23rd (just
checked.) I saw the pos feedback on the "My Ebay" page, but it didn't
show up on the feedback page until right after I'd put mine up.

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Mike O.

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

01/02/2006 4:24 PM

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:35:12 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
wrote:

>At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)

I can't tell that anything had changed at least as of 1-18.
I bought an item on that date and I had positive feedback as soon as
I paid the guy. That was about four days before I recieved the item
and that's when I left his feedback.
Maybe the change was after that...?

Mike O.

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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 9:02 AM

Old Grey wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:46:55 -0800, Enoch Root <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>>That's what I noticed: you see feedback has been left on your "My Ebay"
>>summary page, but it doesn't show up on your feedback page until you've
>>submitted your own.

> I have sold several items during the last month, including this week.
> I have seen my feedback as the seller posted and on the buyers
> feedback page waiting for the buyer to reciprocate. I have also had a
> few buyers beat me to the punch and leave their feedback, which shows
> on my summary, before I have been able to leave theirs. This was just
> in the last few days. I am not aware of any feedback posting changes.
> I have noticed that sometimes I will see feedback posted by the
> buyer/seller but not included in my summary number and that has been
> the case several times and sometimes can last a day or two.

Thanks.

er
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Enoch Root

in reply to Enoch Root on 30/01/2006 12:35 PM

02/02/2006 9:00 AM

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>>At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
>>by the first party from the second until the second has given their
>>feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
>
>
> Based on my experience, I'd say you've misinterpreted what happened. I
> have sold several things on eBay in the last couple days, and haven't
> left feedback for the buyers yet -- but I can see that one of them has
> left feedback for me.

Okay. You mean you can read the feedback? Okay.

er
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