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"Robatoy"

07/08/2006 10:07 AM

OT... RE: Tom Nie/Sister inquiry and other stuff.

Thanks for the inquiry, Tom. Not much has changed, I'm sad to report.
(Still no wrist/finger action and a complete C-6-type of quadriplegic.)

I have been away on a so-called vacation for the last couple+ weeks,
during which time my mother was put in the hospital (unbeknownst to us
as my father "didn't want to spoil our much deserved vacation"---> he
can be such an ars.) Diagnosed, by exclusion, she had a sudden onset of
Alzheimers, likely accellerated by the trauma of watching my sister
being hauled of in an EMS and knowing she'll likely never see her
again.)

Enough of that shit as there is nothing I can do to change it, other
than to make sure they get all the care money can buy.

Back to my generic woodworker's advice:

Always use 220 volt, but 230 is better. (600 volt is awful hard on a
router, but BOY you get a lot done in that 4 seconds it runs)
Always ground your dustcollector tubes, especially the metal ones.
A router table is not required, but a jointer is.
PolyMegaGlop glue is the best there is.
What kind of tenon is a floating one? (Hint: toss it in the bathtub)
Counter-clockwise turning drill presses appear to be practically
useless.
To improvise a dado blade on your table saw, hit the blade, sideways,
with a decent hammer.

Glad to be back.

r


This topic has 9 replies

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"Robatoy"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

07/08/2006 10:49 AM


Joe AutoDrill wrote:
[snip]>
> Often times, the drilling pattern requires that some spindles spin one
> direction and the others the opposite.

You did detect the goofiness of my post, and I did have a 13 spindle 32
mm set-up at one time.
There also used to be an attachment that clamped on to a drill press to
do just that, I lost track of who made it.
My business contacts are trying to suck me back into making cabinets
again now that my Non-competition Agreement has expired..*EG*
32 mm would be the way to go...but I retired already...it's a desease,
I tell ya!

The Neanderthal Method is starting to look better and better to me.
Just a good brace-'n-bit, a couple of planes, scrapers, spokeshaves
etc.... what a nice way to put some finishing touches on some CNC
pre-cuts..*S*

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JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

08/08/2006 1:03 PM

> Late 50's, early 60's, there was a company in Cleveland that built a
> multiple drill head machine that used a rotary crank system to drive
> multiple drill bits.
>
> They would custom build a head to match almost any hole pattern.
>
> Worked for a company that used one to drill graphite tube sheets for heat
> exchangers.
>
> Don't remember the name of the outfit or if they are still in business.

It is actually a very interesting business to be in. Sort of like solving a
different jig-saw puzzle every day. People drilling everything from
Styrofoam to spiral hams.

As for the custom patterns, we do that now - but with internal gearing. The
limitation we have is how close we can get (.532" C-C) or how far apart the
spindles can be (around 36") Above around 7", it is sometimes easier to
simply buy two or more pneumatic drills and automate them, etc.

The company you might be thinking of is Zagar. As a reference, my units
start at around 20-30% of their prices. :)

Check out the Multi-Drill link below if you want to see some application
examples - mostly steel work though as there isn't nearly as much production
work going on in wood unless you get into the window and door industry
(hinge patterns, casements, etc.)

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R


Rr

"RonB"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

07/08/2006 6:56 PM

Good luck with your family situation. It sounds like both your sister and
you have clung to one small means of coping - humor. It does help. For
most of 14 years my wife and I had at least one parent in extended care.
During one period three at time. During the most intense periods we were
usually able to force some kind of perverse humor into the situation.
Sometimes we would get sideways glances when we referred to ourselves as
'nursing-home groupies'; or joke about our pact to push the other off of the
curb when one of us started acting funny. Dark - yeah probably. But it
takes the edge off. If you let it eat you alive, it will.

Keep the corners of your mouth turned up as much as you can. It helps.

RonB


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for the inquiry, Tom. Not much has changed, I'm sad to report.
> (Still no wrist/finger action and a complete C-6-type of quadriplegic.)
>
> I have been away on a so-called vacation for the last couple+ weeks,
> during which time my mother was put in the hospital (unbeknownst to us
> as my father "didn't want to spoil our much deserved vacation"---> he
> can be such an ars.) Diagnosed, by exclusion, she had a sudden onset of
> Alzheimers, likely accellerated by the trauma of watching my sister
> being hauled of in an EMS and knowing she'll likely never see her
> again.)
>
> Enough of that shit as there is nothing I can do to change it, other
> than to make sure they get all the care money can buy.
>
> Back to my generic woodworker's advice:
>
> Always use 220 volt, but 230 is better. (600 volt is awful hard on a
> router, but BOY you get a lot done in that 4 seconds it runs)
> Always ground your dustcollector tubes, especially the metal ones.
> A router table is not required, but a jointer is.
> PolyMegaGlop glue is the best there is.
> What kind of tenon is a floating one? (Hint: toss it in the bathtub)
> Counter-clockwise turning drill presses appear to be practically
> useless.
> To improvise a dado blade on your table saw, hit the blade, sideways,
> with a decent hammer.
>
> Glad to be back.
>
> r
>

LH

Lew Hodgett

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

08/08/2006 2:01 AM

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

> Yes, my post - although legitimately possible - was a joke for the
most
> part.

Late 50's, early 60's, there was a company in Cleveland that built a
multiple drill head machine that used a rotary crank system to drive
multiple drill bits.

They would custom build a head to match almost any hole pattern.

Worked for a company that used one to drill graphite tube sheets for
heat exchangers.

Don't remember the name of the outfit or if they are still in business.

Lew

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

08/08/2006 3:57 PM

> > The company you might be thinking of is Zagar.
>
> That was it.

Zagar is sort of like the Rolls Royce of heads. They'll make it any way you
want it. For instance, I think it is Zagar that has a 4000+ spindle head
that does small holes in 24X48 ceiling tiles... The entire head does ONE
ceiling tile in a single stroke. Look up. If your ceilign tile has lots of
small, half-round holes drilled into it to absorb sound or create texture,
Zagar might be to blame. :)

I could do it with our heads, but not in one shot... Probably split it up
by rows and feed the tile between strokes.

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R


LH

Lew Hodgett

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

08/08/2006 3:50 PM

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

> The company you might be thinking of is Zagar.

That was it.

Thanks.

Lew

LH

Lew Hodgett

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

08/08/2006 4:16 PM

Joe AutoDrill wrote:

> Zagar is sort of like the Rolls Royce of heads.

There was a time when there were a lot of high end machine tool
companies in Cleveland.

A lot of them have bit the dust primarily because of changing economics.

Customers going out of business, foreign competition, etc.

Probably the biggest surprise was the demise of Warner & Swasey.

Lew


Lew

JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

07/08/2006 7:17 PM

>> Often times, the drilling pattern requires that some spindles spin one
>> direction and the others the opposite.
>
> You did detect the goofiness of my post, and I did have a 13 spindle 32
> mm set-up at one time.

Yes, my post - although legitimately possible - was a joke for the most
part.

> There also used to be an attachment that clamped on to a drill press to
> do just that, I lost track of who made it.

Besides the self-reversing tapping heads on the market for metalworkers? :)
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R


JA

"Joe AutoDrill"

in reply to "Robatoy" on 07/08/2006 10:07 AM

07/08/2006 5:19 PM

> Counter-clockwise turning drill presses appear to be practically
> useless.

LOL.... I can make you a single spindle, "multiple spindle head" ...er...
or something that would be called something along those lines - with
reversed gearing inside to make everything spin normal if you want. :)

Often times, the drilling pattern requires that some spindles spin one
direction and the others the opposite. We avoid this most every time we
possibly can, but I could make an exception for anyone stuck with a reverse
spinning drill press and no knowledge of how to swap a few motor wires.
<evil grin>

Seriously though, I am sorry to hear of your difficulties. I hope things
turn around for you soon!

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R



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