Performax 16/32

Roy <[email protected]> writes:
>On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:10:11 -0800 (PST), Sac Dave <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time...
>
>
>So, about the time B.A.D. posted the above note, SWMBO and I were at an estate
>sale buying a Performax 16/32. In the mad frenzy at the time we forgot to get
>the Tuftool that came with it. To be honest, it wasn't until we got home and
>read the manual that we even knew the Tuftool existed.
>
>SWMBO identified it as she had grabbed it to threaten one clod who had reached,
>for the third time, for the box she carried that held our planned purchases,
>including a never used LN dovetail saw. Apparently the Tuftool could excel as a
>device to twist and wind up certain parts of the male anatomy in preparation of
>her "planting a foot in your stomach and ripping your balls off if you come near
>me again" as she loudly, but delicately, phrased it.
>
>Well, it is obvious to me the tool is useful, but the question I wanted to ask
>the group is whether I need to get one to use on the Performax sander we bought?
>I hope to be able to pick up the one that should have come with the sander, but
>if I can't, should I buy one anyway. Anybody use the tool for its intended
>purpose?


i have the 22-44. The tuftool is handy, but I've also used my fingers successfully.

scott

On Nov 20, 4:29=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sac Dave wrote:
> > I did notice a couple places that sold the Rubber type said the
> > sandpaper ones were no longer available, but I also found the old
> > style about $40 less.
>
> Any place that makes belts will be glad to make you one. =A0And usually a=
t
> about half the $50 "official" price. =A0Here's one...http://www.80grit.co=
m/FeedBeltPerformax16-32DrumSanderP1632FeedBelt
>
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I saw that web site the price $24.40 just seemed to low made me
wonder about the quality. So haw was the belt in your opinion ? For
the price I might just buy one the slipping in new rubber belt is
going to become an irritation quick.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:10:11 -0700, Sac Dave wrote
(in article
<64791317-bd24-448c-87b2-e493f42abdbf@o37g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):

> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> information I can’t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? I
> found one review the poster said the belt worked better without the
> tracking blocks. So anyone that’s installed the upgraded feed belt
> have an opinion from your experience?

I purchased this belt:
http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-conveyor-Performax-Ryobi-
sanders/dp/B000HTM4WG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1321804088&sr=8-4
I ended up _not_ using the guides since they seemed unnecessary. The belt
slips more than the gritted belt, but doesn't have that bump at the seam
which transfers through to the wood at times.

-Bruce

On 11/19/2011 9:10 AM, Sac Dave wrote:
> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> information I can’t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? I
> found one review the poster said the belt worked better without the
> tracking blocks. So anyone that’s installed the upgraded feed belt
> have an opinion from your experience?

In my experience, if you own a Performax 16/32 and you're a hobbiest
rather than a professional, you suck.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:10:11 -0800 (PST), Sac Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time...


So, about the time B.A.D. posted the above note, SWMBO and I were at an estate
sale buying a Performax 16/32. In the mad frenzy at the time we forgot to get
the Tuftool that came with it. To be honest, it wasn't until we got home and
read the manual that we even knew the Tuftool existed.

SWMBO identified it as she had grabbed it to threaten one clod who had reached,
for the third time, for the box she carried that held our planned purchases,
including a never used LN dovetail saw. Apparently the Tuftool could excel as a
device to twist and wind up certain parts of the male anatomy in preparation of
her "planting a foot in your stomach and ripping your balls off if you come near
me again" as she loudly, but delicately, phrased it.

Well, it is obvious to me the tool is useful, but the question I wanted to ask
the group is whether I need to get one to use on the Performax sander we bought?
I hope to be able to pick up the one that should have come with the sander, but
if I can't, should I buy one anyway. Anybody use the tool for its intended
purpose?

Thanks,
Roy

On 11/19/2011 3:26 PM, Sac Dave wrote:
> On Nov 19, 12:07 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 11/19/2011 10:10 AM, Sac Dave wrote:
>>
>>> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
>>> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
>>> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
>>> information I can’t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? I
>>> found one review the poster said the belt worked better without the
>>> tracking blocks. So anyone that’s installed the upgraded feed belt
>>> have an opinion from your experience?
>>
>> I have the 22/44 and I think the guide blocks were later used to keep
>> the conical belt on track, obviously. Had the belts been the same
>> diameter on both sides the guides probably would not have been needed.
>>
>> So if the new belt is rubber thee probably will be no need for those blocks.
>>
>> FWIW I had tracking problems until the belt broke in but Performax sent
>> me a replacement belt any way. During the conversation the tech
>> indicated that the guide blocks were actually not needed at all if
>> everything was working correctly. IMHO they were a stop gap measure to
>> compensate for the lack of QC in the conveyor belts.
>>
>> Could you steer me towards the upgrade information or site.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> This is about as much information that I could find.
> http://www.accuramachinetools.com/replacement-conveyor-belt-for-accuraryobiperformax-etc-1632-sa.html
> I did notice a couple places that sold the Rubber type said the
> sandpaper ones were no longer available, but I also found the old
> style about $40 less.

Thank you!

On 11/19/2011 10:10 AM, Sac Dave wrote:
> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> information I can’t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? I
> found one review the poster said the belt worked better without the
> tracking blocks. So anyone that’s installed the upgraded feed belt
> have an opinion from your experience?

I have the 22/44 and I think the guide blocks were later used to keep
the conical belt on track, obviously. Had the belts been the same
diameter on both sides the guides probably would not have been needed.

So if the new belt is rubber thee probably will be no need for those blocks.

FWIW I had tracking problems until the belt broke in but Performax sent
me a replacement belt any way. During the conversation the tech
indicated that the guide blocks were actually not needed at all if
everything was working correctly. IMHO they were a stop gap measure to
compensate for the lack of QC in the conveyor belts.

Could you steer me towards the upgrade information or site.

Thanks.

On Nov 19, 12:07=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 11/19/2011 10:10 AM, Sac Dave wrote:
>
> > The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> > everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> > link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> > information I can=92t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? =
=A0I
> > found one review the poster said the belt worked better =A0without the
> > tracking blocks. So anyone that=92s installed the upgraded feed belt
> > have an opinion from your experience?
>
> I have the 22/44 and I think the guide blocks were later used to keep
> the conical belt on track, obviously. =A0Had the belts been the same
> diameter on both sides the guides probably would not have been needed.
>
> So if the new belt is rubber thee probably will be no need for those bloc=
ks.
>
> FWIW I had tracking problems until the belt broke in but Performax sent
> me a replacement belt any way. During the conversation the tech
> indicated that the guide blocks were actually not needed at all if
> everything was working correctly. =A0IMHO they were a stop gap measure to
> compensate for the lack of QC in the conveyor belts.
>
> Could you steer me towards the upgrade information or site.
>
> Thanks.

This is about as much information that I could find.
http://www.accuramachinetools.com/replacement-conveyor-belt-for-accuraryobi=
performax-etc-1632-sa.html
I did notice a couple places that sold the Rubber type said the
sandpaper ones were no longer available, but I also found the old
style about $40 less.

On Nov 19, 8:10=A0am, Sac Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> information I can=92t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? =A0I
> found one review the poster said the belt worked better =A0without the
> tracking blocks. So anyone that=92s installed the upgraded feed belt
> have an opinion from your experience?

I installed the new belt, more like more like nylon than rubber (more
like rubber roofing) left the guide blocks off seems to track just
fine. I do notice your work piece slips kind of disappointed in that
fact, hopefully some of the slickness will wear off then it might work
better. Looking at the new belt I think it will last longer.

On 22 Nov 2011 17:28:28 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:


>>
>>Well, it is obvious to me the tool is useful, but the question I wanted to ask
>>the group is whether I need to get one to use on the Performax sander we bought?
>>I hope to be able to pick up the one that should have come with the sander, but
>>if I can't, should I buy one anyway. Anybody use the tool for its intended
>>purpose?
>
>
>i have the 22-44. The tuftool is handy, but I've also used my fingers successfully.
>
>scott

Thanks to you and DadiOH's for the replies. I went back to the site of the sale
and found the Tuftool. Figured as I have gotten older and don't have the
strength and agility I did 45 years ago, some mechanical advantage would help.
I haven't tried it out yet, but can see where there is a lot of mechanical
advantage with the tool.

Thanks again. It's pretty rare here to post a serious question and not get a
good answer. Been lurking here and posting occasionally for 13+ years, and
still think this is a great place to spend a few minutes most every day.

Regards,
Roy

Sac Dave wrote:
> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time So I'm sure
> everyone familiar with this sander will agree feed belt is the weak
> link. So I just ordered the upgraded rubber feed belt, the
> information I can’t find is do you use the tracking blocks or not? I
> found one review the poster said the belt worked better without the
> tracking blocks. So anyone that’s installed the upgraded feed belt
> have an opinion from your experience?

My 16/32 is about 15 years old. I am on my second feed belt; first one was
soon frayed because there *were* no tracking blocks then.

So, I can't directly answer your question but I sure wouldn't want to use
any belt without tracking blocks.

If your belts are breaking could it be from too much tension?

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Sac Dave wrote:

> I did notice a couple places that sold the Rubber type said the
> sandpaper ones were no longer available, but I also found the old
> style about $40 less.

Any place that makes belts will be glad to make you one. And usually at
about half the $50 "official" price. Here's one...
http://www.80grit.com/FeedBeltPerformax16-32DrumSanderP1632FeedBelt

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Roy wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:10:11 -0800 (PST), Sac Dave
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The feed belt broke on my 16/32 sander second time...
>
>
> So, about the time B.A.D. posted the above note, SWMBO and I were at
> an estate sale buying a Performax 16/32. In the mad frenzy at the
> time we forgot to get the Tuftool that came with it. To be honest,
> it wasn't until we got home and read the manual that we even knew the
> Tuftool existed.
>
> SWMBO identified it as she had grabbed it to threaten one clod who
> had reached, for the third time, for the box she carried that held
> our planned purchases, including a never used LN dovetail saw.
> Apparently the Tuftool could excel as a device to twist and wind up
> certain parts of the male anatomy in preparation of her "planting a
> foot in your stomach and ripping your balls off if you come near me
> again" as she loudly, but delicately, phrased it.
>
> Well, it is obvious to me the tool is useful, but the question I
> wanted to ask the group is whether I need to get one to use on the
> Performax sander we bought? I hope to be able to pick up the one that
> should have come with the sander, but if I can't, should I buy one
> anyway. Anybody use the tool for its intended purpose?

I have a 16-32. I don't have a Tuftool (they didn't exist when I bought the
sander). I have always just used my right middle finger to do what it does;
doing so is a PITA because I have some arthritis. Buy the tool.

PS: life would have beed easier if they had set the thing up to wind right
to left instead of left to right.

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Sac Dave wrote:
> On Nov 20, 4:29 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sac Dave wrote:
>>> I did notice a couple places that sold the Rubber type said the
>>> sandpaper ones were no longer available, but I also found the old
>>> style about $40 less.
>>
>> Any place that makes belts will be glad to make you one. And usually
>> at
>> about half the $50 "official" price. Here's
>> one...http://www.80grit.com/FeedBeltPerformax16-32DrumSanderP1632FeedBelt

>
> I saw that web site the price $24.40 just seemed to low made me
> wonder about the quality. So haw was the belt in your opinion ? For
> the price I might just buy one the slipping in new rubber belt is
> going to become an irritation quick.

I can't speak as to the quality because I've never had one. I've only had
two belts, both "official". The first was chewed up pretty rapidly because
Peformax didn't have the accessory tracking gizmos at the time...belt would
wander and the edge would get chewed up before I noticed. The second belt
is at least 10 years old and still good. Next time I need a belt I'll be
getting a non-official one...$50 is just waaaaay too much for a belt. So is
$24.40 IMO, YMMV, but it is better than $50.

Here's another place that will make any size belt. Never had a transport
belt from them but have purchased numerous other things, all fine.
https://www.econabrasives.com/products.php

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