cutoffs w/ bandsaw instead of TS?

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:08:51 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>: Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs. 1/16".
>: The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
>: length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16' you
>: are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board. If
>: you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
>: enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.
>
>Not quite. If the difference in kerf is 1/16 inch, then every sixteen
>cuts will yield one more piece on the BS than the TS. In an eight foot
>piece of wood, cutting off 1" pieces, there would be six extra pieces if
>cut on the BS. Since the kerf on a BS is actually less than 1/16" (I
>think), then there'd be even more pieces.
>
That's my math, too.

>Personally, given blade drift, I'd cut 'em all on the TS, unless the wood
>in questions is ebony or something equally precious.
>

Thanks to you and the others on this thread. Looks like the kerf concerns
lose out. Sticking with the TS.

Bay Area Dave,

That has got to the most useless response to a response
question I've read since your last useless response. Why do you even
bother? Don't answer;

Mon, Nov 3, 2003, 12:07am (EST+5) [email protected] (Igor)
<snip> I own a POS cheapo BS which leaves too many saw marks. <snip>

I would say you need a different blade then.

About all I use for cut-offs is either my scrollsaw or bandsaw. No
prob. They're saws, I don't see why you'd have a question.


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Sorry, Probably closer to 1/32"


"Igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:12:05 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs.
1/16".
> > The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
> >length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16'
you
> >are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board.
If
> >you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
> >enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.
> >
> >
> >
> The kerf on a good bandsaw blade is 1/16"? That would be only 1/32 better
> than my thin kerf TS blade. I thought it was closer to 1/32".

A good, properly setup bandsaw will do all that you want it to do, however
...

What is your most important issue? Seems to me that you have quality of cut,
precision, waste, dust, and safety issues to consider. Might even want to
throw speed of operation in there also.

Don't expect most bandsaws to give you the quality of cut, precision, or
speed you are already getting on the table saw ... AAMOF, it is doubtful you
will be able to improve on these particular aspects with any bandsaw.

Safety is one area that will improve with the bandsaw. Dust and waste, IME,
will only be marginally better with the bandsaw.

Offhand, I'd say you need to look for another, more defendable, excuse to
convince SWMBO that you need a new bandsaw. :)

Now, if it will improve your "attitude" as a gentle, caring, loving husband
and/or father... that is all the excuse you need.

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"Igor" wrote in message

> Right now I am using a thin kerf Forrest WWII with a miter gauge on my
> Dewalt TS, so the finish and tolerance (square) are perfect. I do not
need
> a glass finish, but I also have to have a result with no saw mark pattern
> and it has to be smooth enough to not need sanding, if that makes sense,
> and I need the finished thickness of each cutoff to be the same, front to
> back w/in 0.015" (at worst). Can this be done with a good BS? If so, how
> good a BS? Blade suggestions? Any setup tips? I would use a miter gauge
> on the BS, but would I do that with the fence or do a setup like on the TS
> w/ a block attached to the fence. (I realize that kickback is not an
issue
> here but don't know if there are other problems with a BS if I use the
> fence w/ the miter gauge.)

Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs. 1/16".
The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16' you
are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board. If
you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.

I don't mean to rain on your BS (maybe I should say BandSaw) parade...but
wouldn't a good miter saw be a better choice? It would be easy to set up a
stop, makes good cuts quickly, is safer than a TS, and with a vac/dust
collector hooked up should make a LOT less dust... maybe I'm missing
something.

I'd go with resawing to justify the bandsaw, worked for me :)

jim


Igor <[email protected]> wrote in
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> The following may be strange questions -- that is, anyone who has
> experience w/ a BS may know that what I need to do is obviously (1) no
> problem or (2) no way. While, like many here, I look for excuses to
> buy new toys, I really only want a new BS (now, anyway) if it will
> truly do what I need -- subject to operator error, as always.
>
> I have to do loads of cutoffs of 1" lengths from 2x2 stock, and this
> will be an ongoing project. So many cutoffs that when I added up the
> loss to the kerf from the TS, I realized that I could do a lot better
> if I used a BS. (A lot less saw dust to cart away, too.) But, I own
> a POS cheapo BS which leaves too many saw marks.

that has got to the most useless response to a legitimate WW'ing
question I've read since your last useless response. Why do you even
bother? Don't answer; that's a rhetorical question.

The OP simply wants to know if another blade or technique using a BS
will result in smooth cuts, which don't have to be as good as the glass
smooth cuts from a WWII, but they need to be better than your typical BS
cut. How am I doing, OP?

I would say to the OP, that I doubt you'll be happy with the edge left
by a quickly cut board, using a band saw. I presume since you want to
do a LOT of them, you want to run the board through quickly?

Back to JOT. Try to be informative for a change. Sheesh!


dave

T. wrote:

> Mon, Nov 3, 2003, 12:07am (EST+5) [email protected] (Igor)
> <snip> I own a POS cheapo BS which leaves too many saw marks. <snip>
>
> I would say you need a different blade then.
>
> About all I use for cut-offs is either my scrollsaw or bandsaw. No
> prob. They're saws, I don't see why you'd have a question.
>
>
> JOAT
> My aim is to get through life peacefully, with as little interferrnce
> from human beings as possible.
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 30 Oct 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>

So I suppose there is no waste when planing that wood off after
using the BS. Or do you leave the scrape marks ?

The kerf isn't a compelling enough reason for most comparisons.
The cut depth is, and the ease of sawing (no burning the wood).
Wood cut on the BS requires a more fussing with to clean it up
after the cut, but the TS requires a bit more fussing to setup for
a cut...

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"Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs.
1/16".
> : The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
> : length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16'
you
> : are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board.
If
> : you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
> : enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.
>
> Not quite. If the difference in kerf is 1/16 inch, then every sixteen
> cuts will yield one more piece on the BS than the TS. In an eight foot
> piece of wood, cutting off 1" pieces, there would be six extra pieces if
> cut on the BS. Since the kerf on a BS is actually less than 1/16" (I
> think), then there'd be even more pieces.
>
> Personally, given blade drift, I'd cut 'em all on the TS, unless the wood
> in questions is ebony or something equally precious.
>
> -- Andy Barss

Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
: Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs. 1/16".
: The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
: length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16' you
: are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board. If
: you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
: enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.

Not quite. If the difference in kerf is 1/16 inch, then every sixteen
cuts will yield one more piece on the BS than the TS. In an eight foot
piece of wood, cutting off 1" pieces, there would be six extra pieces if
cut on the BS. Since the kerf on a BS is actually less than 1/16" (I
think), then there'd be even more pieces.

Personally, given blade drift, I'd cut 'em all on the TS, unless the wood
in questions is ebony or something equally precious.

-- Andy Barss

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:12:05 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Something to consider when considering the waste of a 1/8" kerf vs. 1/16".
> The savings would be greater if your supply of wood was a continuous
>length. BUT, since most wood is sold in lengths ranging from 8' to 16' you
>are almost always going to have a waste piece left over from each board. If
>you have a smaller kerf, will it make that one last piece of waste long
>enough to use? If not, you have accomplished nothing in savings.
>
>
>
The kerf on a good bandsaw blade is 1/16"? That would be only 1/32 better
than my thin kerf TS blade. I thought it was closer to 1/32".