Glue-Up Advice Redux

In article <[email protected]>, Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Some of you may remember that I asked for advice on how to glue up a set
> of CD shelves. There were two problems: the sheer number of shelves in
> dado joints (13) and the inexperience of the worker (me).
>
> I got quite a few tips, but pigheaded as I am, I didn't use many of them.

<snip>

Nice work, Greg. One observation and one question:

-- You need more clamps.

-- Who still uses CDs?

<d&r>

djb

--
"I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow..." - Frank Zappa

On 17 Dec 2013 01:26:04 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> That's what big disk drives are for. They're cheap. The time to rip
>> the CDs isn't so much, though.
>>
>
>Fortunately, ripping CDs is a 95% hands off process. I'm sure if you
>look around, you can find a program that automates the whole thing and
>all you have to do is keep feeding the machine CDs whenever it sticks its
>tongue out.

That's really all you need to do with Media Player. You do have to
sit there, though. I'm doing a couple of hundred, right now (I think
my CD drive just crapped out).

>Looks like Audiograbber has a "continuous ripping" mode, which looks like
>it will make it easy to keep feeding the computer CDs. (I'm going to try
>that out when I get some new CDs.) It does grab track names from the
>CDDB, but sometimes there's multiple options or the well-meaning
>individual who entered the data didn't check his spelling.

No need to get special software. Media Player will do it all, *AND*
grab an image of the CD case graphic at the same time (95% of CDs,
anyway). It keeps it all in its database. You can also select the
format (WMA, MP3, WAV, etc.) and bit depth (MP3s).

I installed Apple's iTunes (I'm going to an iPod, so need it) but it
screwed up the process so I'm ignoring that step for now.



>Audiograbber also has a Line-in recording function, which is great for
>recording tapes and records.

As Bill said, Audacity is a great program for that. ...and free.

[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:

>
> That's what big disk drives are for. They're cheap. The time to rip
> the CDs isn't so much, though.
>

Fortunately, ripping CDs is a 95% hands off process. I'm sure if you
look around, you can find a program that automates the whole thing and
all you have to do is keep feeding the machine CDs whenever it sticks its
tongue out.

Looks like Audiograbber has a "continuous ripping" mode, which looks like
it will make it easy to keep feeding the computer CDs. (I'm going to try
that out when I get some new CDs.) It does grab track names from the
CDDB, but sometimes there's multiple options or the well-meaning
individual who entered the data didn't check his spelling.

Audiograbber also has a Line-in recording function, which is great for
recording tapes and records.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:

> On 17 Dec 2013 01:26:04 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Fortunately, ripping CDs is a 95% hands off process. I'm sure if you
>>look around, you can find a program that automates the whole thing and
>>all you have to do is keep feeding the machine CDs whenever it sticks
>>its tongue out.
>
> That's really all you need to do with Media Player. You do have to
> sit there, though. I'm doing a couple of hundred, right now (I think
> my CD drive just crapped out).
>
>>Looks like Audiograbber has a "continuous ripping" mode, which looks
>>like it will make it easy to keep feeding the computer CDs. (I'm
>>going to try that out when I get some new CDs.) It does grab track
>>names from the CDDB, but sometimes there's multiple options or the
>>well-meaning individual who entered the data didn't check his
>>spelling.
>
> No need to get special software. Media Player will do it all, *AND*
> grab an image of the CD case graphic at the same time (95% of CDs,
> anyway). It keeps it all in its database. You can also select the
> format (WMA, MP3, WAV, etc.) and bit depth (MP3s).
>
> I installed Apple's iTunes (I'm going to an iPod, so need it) but it
> screwed up the process so I'm ignoring that step for now.
>
>
>
>>Audiograbber also has a Line-in recording function, which is great for
>>recording tapes and records.
>
> As Bill said, Audacity is a great program for that. ...and free.
>

Audiograbber is free (now). There were shareware versions, but the free
version has been out for many years. It doesn't have as many bells and
whistles as apparently Media Player does, but I've used the free version
for years and it works.

My point was you don't have to sit there and babysit the computer. It
will do most of the work itself, and you're free to do something else.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/14/2013 5:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/14/2013 1:20 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Snip
>>
>>>
>>> Finally I applied my motley assortment of clamps, one for each shelf. It
>>> looks like a Foosball table.
>>
>>
>> LOL, I have often used 20 plus clamps and it is always after using the
>> longest clamp in the vertical position that you realize the garage door
>> will not open or close. Then you get to move the tons of wood and clamps.
>
> I don't believe I've made that particular mistake, but given enough time,
> I'm sure to get around to it. I've got the knack.
>
> I have to say, despite my trepidation about fitting so many dado joints
> while the clock was ticking on the glue, this glue-up actually went more
> smoothly than on my bookcase project. Those boxes were conceptually the
> same, and had only 5 horizontals in dadoes compared with 13 on this
> project. I guess I must be learning ... something.

The more often you do it, the better you get. And the less you stress.

On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>> the available width and height of the location and the
>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>> out to have been a mistake.
>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>
> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>
> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50 or so.
>
>
The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)


I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
"something". ;~)

On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>
>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>
>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>
>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>> or so.
>>>
>>>
>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>
>>
>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>> "something". ;~)
>
> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
> own software to simplify the process.

I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
computer would work.

>
> I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I was never very
> fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried digitizing some, even
> employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was unsatisfied with the
> results.

Yeah I am afraid that I may have become to accustomed to hearing music
with out the pops and ticks.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:26:15 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Leon wrote:
>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>
>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>
>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>
>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>> or so.
>>>
>>>
>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that
>> you want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>
>>
>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>> "something". ;~)
>
>There is an open source program called Audacity that may help. You can
>find it at sourceforge.org. It's probably #1 on my list of
>trustable-sites to download programs. You just need a stereo
>(portable?) with an output jack and and a computer with an audio input
>jack. The program will even help separate the tracks (not perfect). I
>only got acceptable results when I didn't use the computer while I was
>recording. If you want "titles" you'll have to type them in yourself! ; )

Yes, Audacity is a great suggestion. I use it for my "professional"
stuff, too. The only caveat is that if you're going to output to
MP3s, you also have to install lame. It's easy enough to do but it's
just another step.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:20:26 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
>message
>news:[email protected]
>> Audiograbber is free (now). There were shareware
>> versions, but the free version has been out for many
>> years. It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as
>> apparently Media Player does, but I've used the free
>> version for years and it works.
>
>Audiograbber leaves Media Player in the dust when it comes to ripping CDs.
>Basically, it lets someone who has made the effort to learn about what they
>are doing to exercise that knowledge. Media Player is meant for the others.

OK, specifically what does Audiograbber do that MP doesn't?

>> My point was you don't have to sit there and babysit the
>> computer. It will do most of the work itself, and you're
>> free to do something else.

Sure, you can do something else but it's only about two minutes to rip
a CD (depends on the CD - some won't read at high speed). It's just
about enough time to get up and then sit back down. ;-)

>True for CDs but IIRC Leon was interested in LPs. Those are real time.
>Nevertheless, Audiograbber with the LAME codec would be a good program to
>use.

On 12/16/2013 11:14 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>>> or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>>>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>>> "something". ;~)
>>>
>>> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
>>> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
>>> own software to simplify the process.
>>
>> I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
>> computer would work.
>
> If you have an "amplifier" (receiver, integrated amp) with a "phono"
> input, you have the preamp you need. You just need to locate the "record
> out" jacks and connect them (probably via a 2 RCA to one stereo
> mini-plug cable) to your computer's line in.

You think I could go turn table into the receiver/amp and out the head
phone to the computer?

Then if that works, a 60' cable to connect the two. ;~)

The receiver is an old Yamaha that has 5 separate units plugged in, not
counting the 5 speakers and sub. And then it weighs just shy of 50lbs.

The computer would be more trouble to move.

I guess I am not quite desperate enough to convert.. ;~(


Maybe I could use an iPad instead of a computer. Hummmmm






>>> I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I was never very
>>> fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried digitizing some, even
>>> employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was unsatisfied with the
>>> results.
>>
>> Yeah I am afraid that I may have become to accustomed to hearing music
>> with out the pops and ticks.
>
> Even before CDs my piano was remarkably free of pops and clicks. :)
>
>
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:25:13 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>
>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>
>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50 or so.
>>
>>
>The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)

That's what big disk drives are for. They're cheap. The time to rip
the CDs isn't so much, though.

>I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>"something". ;~)

WAVs. I've done that with some of mine but I haven't gotten back to
it.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:05:21 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>
>> No need to get special software. Media Player will do it
>> all, *AND* grab an image of the CD case graphic at the
>> same time (95% of CDs, anyway). It keeps it all in its
>> database. You can also select the format (WMA, MP3, WAV,
>> etc.) and bit depth (MP3s).
>
>What codec does it use to encode MP3s?

I'll have to look (not sure it says). I don't have my CD drive
attached now so it won't show me that stuff. It does give a choice of
bit rates, though.

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:45:56 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Greg Guarino
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Some of you may remember that I asked for advice on how to glue up a set
>> of CD shelves. There were two problems: the sheer number of shelves in
>> dado joints (13) and the inexperience of the worker (me).
>>
>> I got quite a few tips, but pigheaded as I am, I didn't use many of them.
>
><snip>
>
>Nice work, Greg. One observation and one question:
>
>-- You need more clamps.
>
>-- Who still uses CDs?
>
><d&r>

I do. In fact I'm in the process of copying our library into iTunes
so I can put it on my iPod. ;-)

Unfortunately, it's now split between iTunes, Media Player, and
unincorporated directories. Ain't technology wunnerful?

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 13:31:57 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 12/16/2013 11:14 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>>>> or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>>>>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>>>> "something". ;~)
>>>>
>>>> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
>>>> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
>>>> own software to simplify the process.
>>>
>>> I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
>>> computer would work.
>>
>> If you have an "amplifier" (receiver, integrated amp) with a "phono"
>> input, you have the preamp you need. You just need to locate the "record
>> out" jacks and connect them (probably via a 2 RCA to one stereo
>> mini-plug cable) to your computer's line in.
>
>You think I could go turn table into the receiver/amp and out the head
>phone to the computer?

Sure, but "line out" is a better idea.

>Then if that works, a 60' cable to connect the two. ;~)
>
>The receiver is an old Yamaha that has 5 separate units plugged in, not
>counting the 5 speakers and sub. And then it weighs just shy of 50lbs.
>
>The computer would be more trouble to move.
>
>I guess I am not quite desperate enough to convert.. ;~(
>
>
>Maybe I could use an iPad instead of a computer. Hummmmm

Sure, why not?

>
>>>> I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I was never very
>>>> fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried digitizing some, even
>>>> employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was unsatisfied with the
>>>> results.
>>>
>>> Yeah I am afraid that I may have become to accustomed to hearing music
>>> with out the pops and ticks.
>>
>> Even before CDs my piano was remarkably free of pops and clicks. :)
>>
>>
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>

Greg Guarino wrote:

>
> Finally I applied my motley assortment of clamps, one for each shelf.
> It looks like a Foosball table.

Yer right! It does look like a Foosball table! I don't know if I would
have labored as much as you did to ensure everything was square, but you
did - and you figured it out to your own liking. That's what it's all
about. Nice looking job.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 12/14/2013 7:45 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Greg Guarino
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Some of you may remember that I asked for advice on how to glue up a set
>> of CD shelves. There were two problems: the sheer number of shelves in
>> dado joints (13) and the inexperience of the worker (me).
>>
>> I got quite a few tips, but pigheaded as I am, I didn't use many of them.
>
> <snip>
>
> Nice work, Greg. One observation and one question:
>
> -- You need more clamps.

Absolutely. You could still see a little of the wood in-between them.

It sure would be cool to have it look like one of those wood magazine
photos; all of the clamps the same color and model, made by whatever
manufacturer was advertising that month. But I'm not sure the glue would
hold any better in the end.

I just took the clamps off, nine hours after they went on. That's
actually pretty brief for one of my projects; with my limited time,
sometimes they stay on for a week. The joints look nice and tight, so I
guess the mismatched clamping didn't do any harm.

>
> -- Who still uses CDs?

That's why I'm making the cabinet now. I figure our CD collection should
remain static from here on out. I'm a pretty practical guy, but even
once we've digitized all the CDs I wouldn't feel good throwing them out.

We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the cabinet to hold.
I've got a whole spreadsheet actually - the most anal thing you've ever
seen - with boxes for all of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space
between them, the available width and height of the location and the
placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but this one only
has measurements. We'll see if that turns out to have been a mistake.

Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...

On 12/14/2013 5:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/14/2013 1:20 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Snip
>
>>
>> Finally I applied my motley assortment of clamps, one for each shelf. It
>> looks like a Foosball table.
>
>
> LOL, I have often used 20 plus clamps and it is always after using the
> longest clamp in the vertical position that you realize the garage door
> will not open or close. Then you get to move the tons of wood and clamps.

I don't believe I've made that particular mistake, but given enough
time, I'm sure to get around to it. I've got the knack.

I have to say, despite my trepidation about fitting so many dado joints
while the clock was ticking on the glue, this glue-up actually went more
smoothly than on my bookcase project. Those boxes were conceptually the
same, and had only 5 horizontals in dadoes compared with 13 on this
project. I guess I must be learning ... something.

On 12/14/2013 3:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>>
>> Finally I applied my motley assortment of clamps, one for each shelf.
>> It looks like a Foosball table.
>
> Yer right! It does look like a Foosball table! I don't know if I would
> have labored as much as you did to ensure everything was square, but you
> did - and you figured it out to your own liking. That's what it's all
> about. Nice looking job.
>
Thanks. That's part of being a novice, I think; you overdo here and
under-do there. Overkill or not, it gave me a little more confidence to
know that some of the worrisome items were taken care of *before* the
glue went on.

"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
> the available width and height of the location and the
> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
> out to have been a mistake.
> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...

If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm

BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50 or so.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>
>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>
>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>> or so.
>>
>>
> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>
>
> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
> "something". ;~)

A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
own software to simplify the process.

I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I was never very
fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried digitizing some, even
employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was unsatisfied with the
results.

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On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>
>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>
>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>> or so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>> "something". ;~)
>>
>> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
>> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
>> own software to simplify the process.
>
> I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
> computer would work.

If you have an "amplifier" (receiver, integrated amp) with a "phono"
input, you have the preamp you need. You just need to locate the "record
out" jacks and connect them (probably via a 2 RCA to one stereo
mini-plug cable) to your computer's line in.

>> I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I was never very
>> fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried digitizing some, even
>> employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was unsatisfied with the
>> results.
>
> Yeah I am afraid that I may have become to accustomed to hearing music
> with out the pops and ticks.

Even before CDs my piano was remarkably free of pops and clicks. :)


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Leon wrote:
> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>
>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>
>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>> or so.
>>
>>
> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that
> you want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>
>
> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
> "something". ;~)

There is an open source program called Audacity that may help. You can
find it at sourceforge.org. It's probably #1 on my list of
trustable-sites to download programs. You just need a stereo
(portable?) with an output jack and and a computer with an audio input
jack. The program will even help separate the tracks (not perfect). I
only got acceptable results when I didn't use the computer while I was
recording. If you want "titles" you'll have to type them in yourself! ; )

Bill

"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm afraid that - although a musician and music fan - I
> was never very fastidious in caring for my vinyl records. I tried
> digitizing some, even employing "pop and tick" removal software, but was
> unsatisfied with the results.

Some of does a "pretty" good job; trouble is, one program does well in some
circumstances, not in another; another program does vice versa. Much
depends upon how one sets the patameters of the program one is using.

The best way - the ONLY way - to get super results is to sit there and do
them one by one with a wave editor. Believe me, you don't want to do that
as there can be 1000s and 1000s.

I wound up using 2-3 cleaners for most of the clicks/pops, then manually
doing the grosser things they didn't do.


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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
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> > A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you
> > to convert them to MP3. I hear there are also special
> > turntable units that come with their own software to
> > simplify the process.
>
> I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out
> to the computer would work.

Run the turntable output through any sort of stereo box then from the stereo
output to computer input.

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On 12/16/2013 2:31 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 11:14 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>>>> or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that
>>>>> you
>>>>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>>>> "something". ;~)
>>>>
>>>> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert
>>>> them to
>>>> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
>>>> own software to simplify the process.
>>>
>>> I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
>>> computer would work.
>>
>> If you have an "amplifier" (receiver, integrated amp) with a "phono"
>> input, you have the preamp you need. You just need to locate the "record
>> out" jacks and connect them (probably via a 2 RCA to one stereo
>> mini-plug cable) to your computer's line in.
>
> You think I could go turn table into the receiver/amp and out the head
> phone to the computer?
>
> Then if that works, a 60' cable to connect the two. ;~)
>
> The receiver is an old Yamaha that has 5 separate units plugged in, not
> counting the 5 speakers and sub. And then it weighs just shy of 50lbs.
>
> The computer would be more trouble to move.
>
> I guess I am not quite desperate enough to convert.. ;~(

It pains me to think of you running from wherever the computer is to go
drop the needle on the record, then running back to check the level,
then ...

Try something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Stereo-Phono-Preamplifier-Preamp-Pre-Amp-Amplifier-/260735697370?pt=US_Home_Audio_Amplifiers_Preamps&hash=item3cb50f01da


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[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:26:15 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>
>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>
>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>> or so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that
>>> you want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>> "something". ;~)
>> There is an open source program called Audacity that may help. You can
>> find it at sourceforge.org. It's probably #1 on my list of
>> trustable-sites to download programs. You just need a stereo
>> (portable?) with an output jack and and a computer with an audio input
>> jack. The program will even help separate the tracks (not perfect). I
>> only got acceptable results when I didn't use the computer while I was
>> recording. If you want "titles" you'll have to type them in yourself! ; )
> Yes, Audacity is a great suggestion. I use it for my "professional"
> stuff, too. The only caveat is that if you're going to output to
> MP3s, you also have to install lame. It's easy enough to do but it's
> just another step.
>
If one is put-off by that, they should maybe go back to the workshop. : )
Personally, I can barely stand the slow process. I've "transferred"
maybe 2 or 3 cassettes so far.

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> No need to get special software. Media Player will do it
> all, *AND* grab an image of the CD case graphic at the
> same time (95% of CDs, anyway). It keeps it all in its
> database. You can also select the format (WMA, MP3, WAV,
> etc.) and bit depth (MP3s).

What codec does it use to encode MP3s?

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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
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> Audiograbber is free (now). There were shareware
> versions, but the free version has been out for many
> years. It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as
> apparently Media Player does, but I've used the free
> version for years and it works.

Audiograbber leaves Media Player in the dust when it comes to ripping CDs.
Basically, it lets someone who has made the effort to learn about what they
are doing to exercise that knowledge. Media Player is meant for the others.

> My point was you don't have to sit there and babysit the
> computer. It will do most of the work itself, and you're
> free to do something else.

True for CDs but IIRC Leon was interested in LPs. Those are real time.
Nevertheless, Audiograbber with the LAME codec would be a good program to
use.

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:20:26 -0500, "dadiOH"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > Audiograbber is free (now). There were shareware
> > > versions, but the free version has been out for many
> > > years. It doesn't have as many bells and whistles as
> > > apparently Media Player does, but I've used the free
> > > version for years and it works.
> >
> > Audiograbber leaves Media Player in the dust when it
> > comes to ripping CDs. Basically, it lets someone who
> > has made the effort to learn about what they are doing
> > to exercise that knowledge. Media Player is meant for
> > the others.
>
> OK, specifically what does Audiograbber do that MP
> doesn't?

There are too many things to list all but here are some...

1. Select - precisely - the bit rate. I don't recall at the moment if one
can also select sampling rate.

2. Select the type of MP3 recording; i.e., stereo, joint stereo, etc.

3. Use any of numerous encoders...LAME, FhG, Blade, Xing <ugh>, even the
system ones but I wouldn't unless you have replaced the "a" with the "p".

4. Choose the rip method (ASPI, MSCDEX)

5. Set the parameters for normalization

6. Use either ID3v1 or ID3v2 tags. Both? I don't recall.

7. Manually enter track/tag info. Useful if CDDB doesn't have it which it
won't for vinyl/tape.

8. Record from external source. Also useful for vinyl/tape

Those are the ones that come to mind but there are numerous others.
Basically, Audiograbber (and others) let the user control what is being
done; Media Player - like most MS stuff - assumes the user is mentally
retarded.



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On 12/14/2013 1:20 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
Snip

>
> Finally I applied my motley assortment of clamps, one for each shelf. It
> looks like a Foosball table.


LOL, I have often used 20 plus clamps and it is always after using the
longest clamp in the vertical position that you realize the garage door
will not open or close. Then you get to move the tons of wood and clamps.

On 12/16/13 10:14 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 12/16/2013 10:58 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/16/2013 9:36 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2013 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/2013 5:23 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>
>>>>>> We've got about 500, and that's all I designed the
>>>>>> cabinet to hold. I've got a whole spreadsheet actually -
>>>>>> the most anal thing you've ever seen - with boxes for all
>>>>>> of the dimensions of a jewel case, a space between them,
>>>>>> the available width and height of the location and the
>>>>>> placement of each dado. I usually draw a project out, but
>>>>>> this one only has measurements. We'll see if that turns
>>>>>> out to have been a mistake.
>>>>>> Next might be a cabinet for the Vinyl...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are interested in digitizing it, here's how...
>>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/xico/dadiOH-light.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, had you ripped your CDs to MP3 you could have reduced 500 to 50
>>>>> or so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The problem with converting to MP3 to reduce you CD's to 50 is that you
>>>> want to keep the initial 500 for back up. Now you have 550. ;~)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have a hundred or so LP's I would like to convert to
>>>> "something". ;~)
>>>
>>> A turntable, a preamp and a computer should allow you to convert them to
>>> MP3. I hear there are also special turntable units that come with their
>>> own software to simplify the process.

I've used a USB dongle that connects directly between the turntables
cartridge output and the computer (it does the RIAA conversion). Works
fine, probably about $20 at the time. I have a 'higher end' turntable
and cartridge so I didn't see the advantage of using one of those $100
computer turntables. Google is your friend.

=BR

On 12/16/13 6:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> That's what big disk drives are for. They're cheap. The time to rip
>> the CDs isn't so much, though.
>>
>
> Fortunately, ripping CDs is a 95% hands off process. I'm sure if you
> look around, you can find a program that automates the whole thing and
> all you have to do is keep feeding the machine CDs whenever it sticks its
> tongue out.
>
> Looks like Audiograbber has a "continuous ripping" mode, which looks like
> it will make it easy to keep feeding the computer CDs. (I'm going to try
> that out when I get some new CDs.) It does grab track names from the
> CDDB, but sometimes there's multiple options or the well-meaning
> individual who entered the data didn't check his spelling.
>
> Audiograbber also has a Line-in recording function, which is great for
> recording tapes and records.
>
> Puckdropper
>

I used 'final vinyl' and it allowed the entire record side to be copied,
then automatically separated out the tracks, Worked good except for the
occasional tracks that had 'artistic' silence in the song. YMMV
-BR

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 09:58:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>I have ll but the preamp. I wonder if a standard amp out to the
>computer would work.

No the levels are far enough apart that you would get a lot of empty
MP3s. There are USB turntables with software available.

Mark