Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
about a foot long. Wood is white oak. Ignoring sandpaper, what tool
would you use to even out the joint? I'm thinking of a cabinet scraper
or maybe just a smoothing plane. At work I just grab a Dynabrade with
some 100grit and feather it in, but I was wondering what the
Neanderthals would do...
JP
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Neander-curious
> but I was wondering what the
> Neanderthals would do...
> JP
> ********************
> Neander-curious
I would use an older chisel or a card scraper to chip off any glue,
then work on the ridge with a low angle block plane, and finish it off
with a scraper or (gasp) sandpaper.
Andy
(Who considers himself a novice neander, as he owns 7 planes, not
including scrapers or spokeshaves, and only 2 routers, including the
laminate trimmer).
Thanks for the replies, all. This was a somewhat hypothetical
situation, although I do occasionally run into it! It's not uncommon
at work to glue up panels prior to face-jointing the boards, for
expediency, and then surface them after, as someone mentioned. If the
boards aren't hammered into close enough alignment in the rack, we
occasionally get an uneven glue joint even after taking them to final
thickness. If it's a full 16th, and it's not going to be sandblasted,
wire brushed or chalked up to "rustic" (we use reclaimed timber almost
exclusively) then we toss it. But usually they're much lighter than a
16th and we can just feather it in if needed. I have used a block
plane to do it in the past.
JP
On Jan 27, 7:20 am, "George" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you're not going shiny on the finish, don't work a block plane, work a
> good flexible cabinet scraper _by hand_ and feather, as you said. You're
> really only interested in the visual, and even a small smooth deviation will
> fool the eye.
A card scraper? A good thumb workout on a full 16th of white oak!
Plus sharpening time.....where's that Dynabrade again?
JP
On 25 Jan 2007 16:51:01 -0800, "Jay Pique" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
>there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
>about a foot long.
Just ignoring the rest, I hope you're exaggerating about 1/16".
That's no 'little dip', that's cut it apart and try again territory.
-Leuf
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
> there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
> about a foot long. Wood is white oak. Ignoring sandpaper, what tool
> would you use to even out the joint? I'm thinking of a cabinet scraper
> or maybe just a smoothing plane. At work I just grab a Dynabrade with
> some 100grit and feather it in, but I was wondering what the
> Neanderthals would do...
Unless this is on the underside where no one will see it, you are out of
luck. A 1/16" isn't going to hide. Mill it to a new final thickness or
recycle it.
Swingman wrote:
>
> No neander, but on panel glue-ups for years I've used a four bladed, Hyde
> 10530, 1 1/2" 'paint scraper' as the go-to tool for glue removal/joint
> leveling ... and a very handy tool to have around.
I've had awesome results with a similar tool, with carbide edges:
<http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/50-273-wall-and-molding-scrapers/maxxgrip-2-1-2-2-edge-scraper--621596.aspx>
I have learned that the cabinet scraper does not work good for me for this
type of job.
I use what I have control over it. In this case, subject to the type of
glue and its hardness, I use a 1" wide wood chisel at an angle of about 45
degree in forward motion. On some work I use a 2" wide wood chisel. The
other tool is a paint scraper with a pulling motion with the grain. I make
sure that my tool are well sharpen so I can cut through the glue ridge.
Using sand paper to remove glue will quickly filled the paper.
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
> there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
> about a foot long. Wood is white oak. Ignoring sandpaper, what tool
> would you use to even out the joint? I'm thinking of a cabinet scraper
> or maybe just a smoothing plane. At work I just grab a Dynabrade with
> some 100grit and feather it in, but I was wondering what the
> Neanderthals would do...
> JP
> ********************
> Neander-curious
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Unless this is on the underside where no one will see it, you are out of
>> luck.
>>
>
> Assuming that both panels are the same thickness, BOTH sides will have a
> 1/16" off set.
I agree with you in principle, but I occassionally get one where one side is
fine but the other is off. Probably the way it went though the planner.
> Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
> there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
> about a foot long.
Too late now, but I like to glue up panels first, then run them through my
planer to the thickness I need. Perfect panels every time. Unfortunately,
that only works if my panel is less than 12" wide. :) Otherwise, I prepare
the panel in two halves and glue the halves together after planing. Follow
that up with sanding.
Anthony
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
>there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
>about a foot long. Wood is white oak. Ignoring sandpaper, what tool
>would you use to even out the joint? I'm thinking of a cabinet scraper
>or maybe just a smoothing plane. At work I just grab a Dynabrade with
>some 100grit and feather it in, but I was wondering what the
>Neanderthals would do...
>JP
>********************
>Neander-curious
Seems that you have two choices
1) it is really "milled to final thickness", and flatness is not
important as long as it is smooth. In that case, I'd use a block plane
with a very slightly cambered blade to get close, then use a card
scraper; I've not had good luck with cabinet scrapers, but maybe
that's just me.
2) you want a flat surface, and are willing to accept slightly less
thickness than you originally described as "final thickness". In that
case, I'd flatten with a jack plane taking relatively course shavings,
followed by a jointer plane set very fine.
If you need both flat and same thickness, ripping the joint and
regluing seems to be the only option.
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"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Unless this is on the underside where no one will see it, you are out of
> luck.
>
Assuming that both panels are the same thickness, BOTH sides will have a
1/16" off set.
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Thanks for the replies, all. This was a somewhat hypothetical
> situation, although I do occasionally run into it! It's not uncommon
> at work to glue up panels prior to face-jointing the boards, for
> expediency, and then surface them after, as someone mentioned. If the
> boards aren't hammered into close enough alignment in the rack, we
> occasionally get an uneven glue joint even after taking them to final
> thickness. If it's a full 16th, and it's not going to be sandblasted,
> wire brushed or chalked up to "rustic" (we use reclaimed timber almost
> exclusively) then we toss it. But usually they're much lighter than a
> 16th and we can just feather it in if needed. I have used a block
> plane to do it in the past.
>
If you're not going shiny on the finish, don't work a block plane, work a
good flexible cabinet scraper _by hand_ and feather, as you said. You're
really only interested in the visual, and even a small smooth deviation will
fool the eye.
"Jay Pique" wrote in message
> Assume the panel has been milled to final thickness, but in the middle
> there's a little dip at one of the glue joints, leaving a 1/16" ridge
> about a foot long. Wood is white oak. Ignoring sandpaper, what tool
> would you use to even out the joint? I'm thinking of a cabinet scraper
> or maybe just a smoothing plane. At work I just grab a Dynabrade with
> some 100grit and feather it in, but I was wondering what the
> Neanderthals would do...
No neander, but on panel glue-ups for years I've used a four bladed, Hyde
10530, 1 1/2" 'paint scraper' as the go-to tool for glue removal/joint
leveling ... and a very handy tool to have around. Each blade has four
edges, which last a long time, and even take to sharpening when you don't
have a replacement handy.
http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/50-273-wall-and-molding-scrapers/1-1-2-4-edge-paint-scraper--671744.aspx
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