OT New Truck

On 3/6/2019 1:18 AM, ads wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>>
>> THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>>
>> I would have refused delivery.
>>
>> Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>> reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>> Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>>
>> My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>> infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>> about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>> I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>> furniture.
>>
>> Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>> the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>>
>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>
>
> I'm still staying>Good luck with you new truck.
>
> Always good to buy a vehicle just before the newest version comes out
> - you know that all the problems, glitches, bugs or whatever have been
> found and either fixed or worked around. The LAST thing I want is the
> first year's production of ANY manufacturer's vehicle because you get
> to deal with all the "Oops!" in that design and/or its implementation.

I used to run the service department for a Olds dealership. Those first
years problems don't get solved. So the last year is no better than the
first year IMHO. In fact IMHO the first year tends to over build to
guard against possible issues. I have seen a good thing dumbed down in
later years.

Anyway, I have bought a 1990 Acura, 2007 Tundra, and 2012 Camry. All
were first year for the model change and all were less trouble than most
any other vehicle that I have owned. In fact the Camry never had any
warranty work done on it at all, that is very unusual. Gasoline, oil
changes, and tires in 55,000 miles is all we have spent on it



>
> We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
> gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
> maintenance :-(

There you go.

>
> I've found no reason to part with my 2007 Tacoma. It does all I need:
> retired guy caring for a 40+ year old house and a yard, including
> carrying away the major yard/bush/small tree cleanup after
> trimming/cutting; carting home more solar panels for the system I've
> been buildiong for more than a year - it's a "Wait until daylight"
> solar-charged battery bank with a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter
> and a transfer switch to provide power to fridge, fyrnace, some lights
> and some kitchen counter outlets. Depending on the season, it can
> provide 10 to 24 hours of limited but adequate power so I can wait
> until daylight - or until the storm has passed - before going out to
> start a gasoline generator (have 3, from 1600 watt inverter gen to a
> 5000 watt 120/240 Generac). The inverter gen is OK for minimum power
> and recharging the batteries. If I need bigger power tools (10" table
> saw) I'll use the Generac.

The solar panel peddlers have been in our neighborhood. I scheduled a
meeting with a sales rep and will be passing on the set up. Not saying
that solar is bad, it's just not good for me.
My electricity bills for the past two years combined total $2400.00.
The Solar system, and only if I got a 30% tax rebate would take very
close to 14 years before I would see a break even point. A lot can
happen in 14 years. And IMHO there needs to be a better place the
panels than on my roof top. Way too many problems might develop with
that type installation. I know of no roofers or roof manufacturers that
will warent the roof once panels are installed on top with all of the
penetrations. And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels. And who pays
for any issues with the panels during this process. according to the
sales guy the price of the panels and install cover the removal and
replacement ONE time. But it is his company that makes that claim and
who knows if they will be in business next year.....

If I was on an acre of land and the panels could be set on their own
stands I would be much more open and only if they become more efficient
and or less expensive.

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 8:23:52 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/8/19 12:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 3/7/2019 10:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> On 3/7/19 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrot=
e:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> w=
rote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat=
trim
> >>>>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and bac=
k
> >>>>>>>>> seats
> >>>>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it ri=
ght?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=C2=
=A0 People
> >>>>>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
> >>>>> list.=C2=A0 On the assembly line the front and back seats are often=
installed
> >>>>> at different points by different people, and they are all about get=
ting
> >>>>> the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come dow=
n the
> >>>>> line.=C2=A0 The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel=
on
> >>>>> the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door.=C2=
=A0 At
> >>>>> least the color was right.=C2=A0 LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> I had a Dodge Voyager.=C2=A0 The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Ply=
mouth".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I may have some exact details wrong, but it's a funny story nonethele=
ss.
> >>> Back in the late 80s in college, I had a friend who's parents were we=
ll
> >>> off and she was a bit spoiled.=C2=A0 Thankfully, she didn't act spoil=
ed and
> >>> was actually a modest and humble person and very frugal in spending.
> >>>
> >>> Her Dad told her if she graduated near the head of her class, he'd bu=
y
> >>> her any new car she wanted as long as it was an American car.=C2=A0 A=
ny of us
> >>> would have chosen a Corvette or Mustang, right?=C2=A0 What did she ch=
oose?
> >>> The reissued Chevy Nova, because it was "cute."
> >>>
> >>> Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joi=
nt
> >>> venture between GM and Toyota.=C2=A0 The Nova and Toyota Corolla were=
in all
> >>> details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
> >>>
> >>> She actually picked up the car from the dealer in our college town an=
d
> >>> her dad came to visit her and see the car.=C2=A0 From the outside, ev=
erything
> >>> looked Chevy.
> >>> I'll never forget the look on her Dad's face when she opened the door
> >>> and right there on the steering wheel, in big, bold, embossed letters
> >>> was the word "TOYOTA."
> >>>
> >>> Oops.=C2=A0 Looks like that car was made on a Friday afternoon and so=
meone
> >>> grabbed a steering wheel from the wrong pile.=C2=A0 :-D
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I remember the Toyota built Nova. It was a big deal back in the early=
80's.
> >>
> >=20
> > Wasn't it the 70's era Nova's that always look crooked when you drove b=
ehind
> > them?
> >=20
> > Maybe I'm mis-remembering the model, but there was some car from back t=
hen
> > that dog tracked or crabbed, whatever the term for that is.
> >=20
>=20
> That was the one! Something about the engine being too strong for the=20
> rear axle, differential. The torque would bend $h!t up and skew the=20
> axle setting it at that weird angle, making it look like an automotive=20
> bulldog.
>=20
> Back when I was a kid, we'd see them badly skewed that they'd leave four=
=20
> tire prints on a snowy road.
>=20

Whew! Man, I'm glad I still got some memory left!

I remember swerving back and forth whenever I was behind just so I could
laugh at the fact that I could see the driver side front fender but not=20
the passenger side. :-)

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 3/6/2019 1:18 AM, ads wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>>
>> We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
>> gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
>> maintenance :-(
>
>There you go.

My 1998 I30 is still running strong (no warrenty service, only tires
brakes and fluids) in my nieces hands.

>The solar panel peddlers have been in our neighborhood.

Our neighborhood is running about 25-30% solar at this point.

> I scheduled a
>meeting with a sales rep and will be passing on the set up. Not saying
>that solar is bad, it's just not good for me.
>My electricity bills for the past two years combined total $2400.00.
>The Solar system, and only if I got a 30% tax rebate would take very
>close to 14 years before I would see a break even point.

Something seems odd there - my annual electricity usage ran about $120/mo
and I'll break even in 6.5 years with my 4kw system. Leaving aside the
instant 30% return on investment, I'm making about 12% annually for the
next 25+ years.

Granted utility rates are significantly higher here, which likely makes
the difference.


> A lot can
>happen in 14 years. And IMHO there needs to be a better place the
>panels than on my roof top. Way too many problems might develop with
>that type installation. I know of no roofers or roof manufacturers that
>will warent the roof once panels are installed on top with all of the
>penetrations.

There really aren't that many penetrations, and the panels are very
lightweight.

> And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
>responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels.

Generally one pays a contractor to do that. You do own them, after all.


> And who pays
>for any issues with the panels during this process.

Presumably the contractor you've engaged for the job.


>If I was on an acre of land and the panels could be set on their own
>stands

This is not uncommon around here; every school property has several
hundred kw of panels on dedicated stands, usually over the parking lots.

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 12:33:05 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:47:24 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:18:46 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >>=20
> >> >On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wr=
ote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >> >>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat =
trim
> >> >>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back=
seats
> >> >>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it rig=
ht?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >> >>>
> >> >>=20
> >> >> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=C2=
=A0 People=20
> >> >> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check=
=20
> >> >list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often instal=
led=20
> >> >at different points by different people, and they are all about getti=
ng=20
> >> >the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down =
the=20
> >> >line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >> >
> >> >I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel o=
n=20
> >> >the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. At=
=20
> >> >least the color was right. LOL
> >>=20
> >> I had a Dodge Voyager. The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".
> >
> >For a few years we had a Voyager and a Grand Voyager at the same time.
> >
> >They sucked so bad I count those 2 vans as 3 of the worst vehicles we=20
> >ever owned.
> >=20
> The '85 was pretty bad but nowhere near the worst car we ever had.
> ...not even close to the '71 Gremlin (*the* most appropriately named
> car ever ;-).

You never knew what you were going to get if it started with AMC. Some good=
, some=20
pretty

That was particularly true for parts. It seemed like AMC would use any part=
from any=20
manufacturer, even within the same model year. I remember trying to buy a s=
tarter for my all=20
time favorite car: my '66 Rambler Ambassador 990.

The guy behind the counter said "You have 3 choices. Tell me your bolt patt=
ern and I'll=20
give you the one you need."

Ah, the "Lay Down Rambler". Pull the front split bench forward, recline the=
backs and the
entire car turned in a bed. A big bed, since it was a 6 passenger car.

From the song "B Movie Box Car Blues"

Next I caught a ride with a gambler's wife,=20
She had a brand new lay down Rambler
She parked t'other side of town
She layed the Rambler down
She said she could dig if I'd knew her

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:55:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/8/2019 9:52 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/8/19 8:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2019 6:23 PM, Bob D wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/
>>>>
>>>> They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and
>>>> enhanced it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks like
>>>> its low enough to be really useful and its out of the way of trailering.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes!  With Honda and Ram you can actually get really close to the bed.
>>
>> That's the real benefit I see.  When I saw that it reminded me the back
>> door on a 70s station wagon that would swing all the way out.
>
>Or that station wagon door where the door dropped down beneath the back
>floor and the glass went up into the roof panel. ;~)
>
>>
>> Of course, if they'd quick making these things so fricken high off the
>> ground, the gate wouldn't be an issue.  Probably 85% of these trucks
>> with such high suspension never get the springs bent, if you know what I
>> mean.
>
>There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a
>better view.
>
>
>
>>
>> My old '84 F-150 could comfortably haul a ton and a half of gravel but I
>> could see the top of the roof and into the engine bay without a step
>> ladder.
>>
>>
>
>3,000 lbs???
Dad's of bent-side F150 scaled at 2.5 tons of mixed hardwood on one
load - it had quite a "squat" and had rolled 2 tires off the rims on
the way down the hill to the road from the cutting site - it was quite
a job to jack that sucker up to change the tires. He drove home with
the tires at 50PSI at 30MPH max (about 20 miles)

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 3/7/2019 10:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> > On 3/7/19 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wro=
te:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat t=
rim
> >>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back=
=20
> >>>>>>> seats
> >>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it righ=
t?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=C2=
=A0 People
> >>>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
> >>> list.=C2=A0 On the assembly line the front and back seats are often i=
nstalled
> >>> at different points by different people, and they are all about getti=
ng
> >>> the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down =
the
> >>> line.=C2=A0 The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >>>
> >>> I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel o=
n
> >>> the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door.=C2=
=A0 At
> >>> least the color was right.=C2=A0 LOL
> >>
> >> I had a Dodge Voyager.=C2=A0 The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymo=
uth".
> >>
> >=20
> > I may have some exact details wrong, but it's a funny story nonetheless=
.
> > Back in the late 80s in college, I had a friend who's parents were well=
=20
> > off and she was a bit spoiled.=C2=A0 Thankfully, she didn't act spoiled=
and=20
> > was actually a modest and humble person and very frugal in spending.
> >=20
> > Her Dad told her if she graduated near the head of her class, he'd buy=
=20
> > her any new car she wanted as long as it was an American car.=C2=A0 Any=
of us=20
> > would have chosen a Corvette or Mustang, right?=C2=A0 What did she choo=
se?=20
> > The reissued Chevy Nova, because it was "cute."
> >=20
> > Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joint=
=20
> > venture between GM and Toyota.=C2=A0 The Nova and Toyota Corolla were i=
n all=20
> > details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
> >=20
> > She actually picked up the car from the dealer in our college town and=
=20
> > her dad came to visit her and see the car.=C2=A0 From the outside, ever=
ything=20
> > looked Chevy.
> > I'll never forget the look on her Dad's face when she opened the door=
=20
> > and right there on the steering wheel, in big, bold, embossed letters=
=20
> > was the word "TOYOTA."
> >=20
> > Oops.=C2=A0 Looks like that car was made on a Friday afternoon and some=
one=20
> > grabbed a steering wheel from the wrong pile.=C2=A0 :-D
> >=20
> >=20
> I remember the Toyota built Nova. It was a big deal back in the early 80=
's.
>=20

Wasn't it the 70's era Nova's that always look crooked when you drove behin=
d
them?=20

Maybe I'm mis-remembering the model, but there was some car from back then
that dog tracked or crabbed, whatever the term for that is.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-6, Markem wrote:
> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different. Happy at present.

Love the Ford trucks!

On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:47:24 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:18:46 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>> >On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>> >>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> >>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> >>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>> >>>
>> >>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.  People
>> >> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
>> >
>> >
>> >Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
>> >list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed
>> >at different points by different people, and they are all about getting
>> >the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the
>> >line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
>> >
>> >I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on
>> >the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. At
>> >least the color was right. LOL
>>
>> I had a Dodge Voyager. The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".
>
>For a few years we had a Voyager and a Grand Voyager at the same time.
>
>They sucked so bad I count those 2 vans as 3 of the worst vehicles we
>ever owned.
>
The '85 was pretty bad but nowhere near the worst car we ever had.
...not even close to the '71 Gremlin (*the* most appropriately named
car ever ;-).

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:32:52 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:27:03 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 9:24:25 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:07:09 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> >>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> >>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> >>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and
>>> >>installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a
>>> >>result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take
>>> >>the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of
>>> >>alterations when ever you want.
>>> >>
>>> >>The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44
>>> >>seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49
>>> >>seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a
>>> >>software change.
>>> >>
>>> >>IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.
>>> >>
>>> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3o0hzBt8y0
>>> >
>>> >It is cool but, at $650 I can pass on that. Now if you see a way to
>>> >turn on the rear view camera all the time so I can break the law.
>>> If you don't mind the backup lights being on just put a switch in
>>> parallel with the reverse light switch.
>>
>>*He* may not mind the backup lights being on all the time but following
>>drivers probably would, as would the Feds.
>>
>>Electronic Code of Federal Regulations
>>Title 49 ? Subtitle B ? Chapter V ? Part 571 ? Subpart B ? §571.108
>>
>>Backup Lamp
>>Must not be energized when the vehicle is in forward motion.
>>
And somewhere in that code is no rear view cameras for driving. But
you could isolate the backup light on a separate switch, after reading
all the Eulas (ok skimming) in the manual I thought what a lawyers wet
dream torts are.


Ok fixed it

On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>
>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>
>
> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.  People
> had to see that in the process and final inspection.


Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed
at different points by different people, and they are all about getting
the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the
line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.

I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on
the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. At
least the color was right. LOL

On 3/6/2019 1:15 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/6/2019 12:56 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 3/6/2019 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>
>>>>>    And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
>>>>> responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels.
>>>>
>>>> Generally one pays a contractor to do that.  You do own them, after
>>>> all.
>>>
>>> Yes but only if the contractor that installs them is still around.  If
>>> not It will be me footing the bill and finding a contractor to do that.
>>
>> "a contractor" not "the contractor".  It's not difficult either to remove
>> the panels or to install them, really; nor should it be the
>> responsibility
>> of the installer any more than you'd expect the original garage door
>> installer to
>> remove and reinstall your door when you remodel your garage.
>
> Understood BUT for the warranty to remain intact the contractor would
> probably have to be an approved one.  Apparently the warranty, or maybe
> the expected life of the panels, was about 25 years.


Something you may not have a concern about where you live vs. In Houston
TX. is that roofs don't last in the heat. Any thing over 20 years is on
borrowed time. So that is a big cost factor for us down here to keep in
mind.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:15:05 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 5:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>
>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>
>
>
>Just one thing to consider about the seats. If you trade, a dealer will
>certainly discount the value and an individual may not want two tone.
>Just saying. ;~)

Buy that time I probably won't care that much, will keep this one for
at least 10 years, which will put me at 74. Will I even be here, if I
am will I be driving? Will anyone be driving?

The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:07:09 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and
>>installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a
>>result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take
>>the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of
>>alterations when ever you want.
>>
>>The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44
>>seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49
>>seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a
>>software change.
>>
>>IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3o0hzBt8y0
>
>It is cool but, at $650 I can pass on that. Now if you see a way to
>turn on the rear view camera all the time so I can break the law.
If you don't mind the backup lights being on just put a switch in
parallel with the reverse light switch.

On 3/6/2019 12:56 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 3/6/2019 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>
>>>> And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
>>>> responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels.
>>>
>>> Generally one pays a contractor to do that. You do own them, after all.
>>
>> Yes but only if the contractor that installs them is still around. If
>> not It will be me footing the bill and finding a contractor to do that.
>
> "a contractor" not "the contractor". It's not difficult either to remove
> the panels or to install them, really; nor should it be the responsibility
> of the installer any more than you'd expect the original garage door installer to
> remove and reinstall your door when you remodel your garage.

Understood BUT for the warranty to remain intact the contractor would
probably have to be an approved one. Apparently the warranty, or maybe
the expected life of the panels, was about 25 years.



>
> Why should the original solar installer bear any responsibility for the cost
> of roof repairs (insofar as they were not caused by the solar installer)?

Simply to sell the improvement. I asked and that is what he said. If
not and the roof has to be replaced in 10~15 years the cost to R&R the
panels will be added expense that would have to be factored into the
long term payout.
The sales guys come up with all kinds of ways to make the expense of
buying and maintaining the roof and panels to appear low.

I agree, this really should not be the installers responsibility but
this is what they are having to offer to get the sale with a lot of folks.





>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And who pays
>>>> for any issues with the panels during this process.
>>>
>>> Presumably the contractor you've engaged for the job.
>>
>> Same as above, if the contractor is still in business. They seem to be
>> a dime a dozen right now and it is unlikely that "all" of these guys
>> will be around in 5~10 years.
>
> I meant, as per above, any contractor. In other words, it's your
> cost. I reroofed with a 40 year roof before getting the panels
> installed last year, but I'm fully prepared to pay (or remove and
> reinstall the panels myself) if I decide to
> re-roof for some reason before the 40 years is up.
>

Understood. My big deal against going this route is that most any
yearly expense I have now is more expensive than my electric bill. My
electricity bill is the least of my concerns right now.

On 3/5/2019 2:20 PM, Leon wrote:

>
> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>
> Good luck with you new truck.

The new tailgate that GMC has been pushing seems like it could sell some
trucks though, especially to an older arthritic group.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-gmc-sierras-six-way-multipro-tailgate-is-a-gre-1828589477

On 3/5/2019 7:58 PM, Bob D wrote:
> The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.
>

I am a problem. My ass is not getting up in the bed without a step of
some sort. If I was in the market for a pickup it would be a
consideration

Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different. Happy at present.
>

It's not your truck until it's got its first working scratch. :)

Puckdropper
--
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On 3/8/2019 9:52 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/8/19 8:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/7/2019 6:23 PM, Bob D wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/
>>>
>>> They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and
>>> enhanced it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks like
>>> its low enough to be really useful and its out of the way of trailering.
>>>
>>
>> Yes!  With Honda and Ram you can actually get really close to the bed.
>
> That's the real benefit I see.  When I saw that it reminded me the back
> door on a 70s station wagon that would swing all the way out.

Or that station wagon door where the door dropped down beneath the back
floor and the glass went up into the roof panel. ;~)

>
> Of course, if they'd quick making these things so fricken high off the
> ground, the gate wouldn't be an issue.  Probably 85% of these trucks
> with such high suspension never get the springs bent, if you know what I
> mean.

There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a
better view.



>
> My old '84 F-150 could comfortably haul a ton and a half of gravel but I
> could see the top of the roof and into the engine bay without a step
> ladder.
>
>

3,000 lbs???

On 3/5/2019 4:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/5/2019 2:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>
>> Good luck with you new truck.
>
> The new tailgate that GMC has been pushing seems like it could sell some
> trucks though, especially to an older arthritic group.
> https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-gmc-sierras-six-way-multipro-tailgate-is-a-gre-1828589477
>

The tail gate is cool until you mount a hitch. The tail gate will fold
down an slam into the ball.

Ram just came out with a 60/40 double door tail gate. I opens like a
regular tail gate or like barn doors.

On 3/5/2019 3:36 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>>
>> THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>>
>> I would have refused delivery.
>>
>> Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>> reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>> Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>>
>> My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>> infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>> about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>> I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>> furniture.
>>
>> Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>> the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>>
>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>
>> Good luck with you new truck.
>
> Actually the front seats are the "wrong color" but it looks great, and
> they are heated. So rather than give Murpy a chance I let it be, I
> rather like the look, they would have ordered the "right color" and
> replaced seats at the dealer.
>


More likely they would have ordered replacement seat covers. When I
worked for a dealer you could not order seat assemblies. You had to
order individual parts to put a seat together. Why would any one do
that? Back in the 80's and in Houston there were countless stolen cars
and the seats came out. We either bought used seats or ordered the
parts to assemble them.

On 3/5/2019 5:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>
> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>


Just one thing to consider about the seats. If you trade, a dealer will
certainly discount the value and an individual may not want two tone.
Just saying. ;~)

On 3/5/2019 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-6, Markem wrote:
>> only hick up is the front and back seats
>> color is different.
>
> Like Leon, I read this and asked "What the H-LL". Are the seats supposed to be different color? Is one dark black/gray/brown and the other light black/gray/brown? Different, but intentional to give a nice contrast. Or is one black and the other brown? As in they just stuck in whatever the F--- they had around and didn't give a S---.
>
> Guessing the 7 months it took to deliver is because you ordered something unique and its a new model year so Ford had to custom make it for you.
>

It is a knitting error at the assembly plant. The plant workers grab
the seats that are delivered to the assembly line and don't really
question things like this. Some how, either the front or back seats
were coded wrong.

On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different. Happy at present.
>


I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and
installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a
result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take
the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of
alterations when ever you want.

The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44
seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49
seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a
software change.

IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3o0hzBt8y0

On 3/8/2019 12:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/7/2019 10:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/7/19 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back
>>>>>>>>> seats
>>>>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.  People
>>>>>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
>>>>> list.  On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed
>>>>> at different points by different people, and they are all about getting
>>>>> the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the
>>>>> line.  The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on
>>>>> the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door.  At
>>>>> least the color was right.  LOL
>>>>
>>>> I had a Dodge Voyager.  The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".
>>>>
>>>
>>> I may have some exact details wrong, but it's a funny story nonetheless.
>>> Back in the late 80s in college, I had a friend who's parents were well
>>> off and she was a bit spoiled.  Thankfully, she didn't act spoiled and
>>> was actually a modest and humble person and very frugal in spending.
>>>
>>> Her Dad told her if she graduated near the head of her class, he'd buy
>>> her any new car she wanted as long as it was an American car.  Any of us
>>> would have chosen a Corvette or Mustang, right?  What did she choose?
>>> The reissued Chevy Nova, because it was "cute."
>>>
>>> Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joint
>>> venture between GM and Toyota.  The Nova and Toyota Corolla were in all
>>> details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
>>>
>>> She actually picked up the car from the dealer in our college town and
>>> her dad came to visit her and see the car.  From the outside, everything
>>> looked Chevy.
>>> I'll never forget the look on her Dad's face when she opened the door
>>> and right there on the steering wheel, in big, bold, embossed letters
>>> was the word "TOYOTA."
>>>
>>> Oops.  Looks like that car was made on a Friday afternoon and someone
>>> grabbed a steering wheel from the wrong pile.  :-D
>>>
>>>
>> I remember the Toyota built Nova. It was a big deal back in the early 80's.
>>
>
> Wasn't it the 70's era Nova's that always look crooked when you drove behind
> them?

That could be, I have seen many vehicles do that. Most common reasons
was that the frame was bent, from a wreck, and never properly
straightened. Or way out front end alignment.


>
> Maybe I'm mis-remembering the model, but there was some car from back then
> that dog tracked or crabbed, whatever the term for that is.
>

On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different. Happy at present.
>


THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????

I would have refused delivery.

Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.

My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
furniture.

Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0

Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.

Good luck with you new truck.

On 3/5/2019 12:31 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 18:14:59 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>> It's not your truck until it's got its first working scratch. :)
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
> Paid for in full, so when it get scratched you are right. :)
>


Forgot to ask, why did it take 6 months for the order to arrive? 3
months is the norm.

On 3/6/2019 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 3/6/2019 1:18 AM, ads wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
>>> gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
>>> maintenance :-(
>>
>> There you go.
>
> My 1998 I30 is still running strong (no warrenty service, only tires
> brakes and fluids) in my nieces hands.
>
>> The solar panel peddlers have been in our neighborhood.
>
> Our neighborhood is running about 25-30% solar at this point.
>
>> I scheduled a
>> meeting with a sales rep and will be passing on the set up. Not saying
>> that solar is bad, it's just not good for me.
>> My electricity bills for the past two years combined total $2400.00.
>> The Solar system, and only if I got a 30% tax rebate would take very
>> close to 14 years before I would see a break even point.
>
> Something seems odd there - my annual electricity usage ran about $120/mo
> and I'll break even in 6.5 years with my 4kw system. Leaving aside the
> instant 30% return on investment, I'm making about 12% annually for the
> next 25+ years.
>
> Granted utility rates are significantly higher here, which likely makes
> the difference.

Yeah rates will make the difference, IIRC he quoted about $20K, there
were going to be 40 panels.
My electric rates are averaging $.095 per Kwh.




>
>
>> A lot can
>> happen in 14 years. And IMHO there needs to be a better place the
>> panels than on my roof top. Way too many problems might develop with
>> that type installation. I know of no roofers or roof manufacturers that
>> will warent the roof once panels are installed on top with all of the
>> penetrations.
>
> There really aren't that many penetrations, and the panels are very
> lightweight.
>
>> And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
>> responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels.
>
> Generally one pays a contractor to do that. You do own them, after all.

Yes but only if the contractor that installs them is still around. If
not It will be me footing the bill and finding a contractor to do that.



>
>
>> And who pays
>> for any issues with the panels during this process.
>
> Presumably the contractor you've engaged for the job.

Same as above, if the contractor is still in business. They seem to be
a dime a dozen right now and it is unlikely that "all" of these guys
will be around in 5~10 years.

>
>
>> If I was on an acre of land and the panels could be set on their own
>> stands
>
> This is not uncommon around here; every school property has several
> hundred kw of panels on dedicated stands, usually over the parking lots.
>
That would be a GREAT spot, on top of covered parking. I was thinking
some day maybe covering our currently nonexistent patio/deck cover.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 3/6/2019 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

>>> And when the time comes to replace the roof, who is
>>> responsible for removing and replacing the solar panels.
>>
>> Generally one pays a contractor to do that. You do own them, after all.
>
>Yes but only if the contractor that installs them is still around. If
>not It will be me footing the bill and finding a contractor to do that.

"a contractor" not "the contractor". It's not difficult either to remove
the panels or to install them, really; nor should it be the responsibility
of the installer any more than you'd expect the original garage door installer to
remove and reinstall your door when you remodel your garage.

Why should the original solar installer bear any responsibility for the cost
of roof repairs (insofar as they were not caused by the solar installer)?

>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> And who pays
>>> for any issues with the panels during this process.
>>
>> Presumably the contractor you've engaged for the job.
>
>Same as above, if the contractor is still in business. They seem to be
>a dime a dozen right now and it is unlikely that "all" of these guys
>will be around in 5~10 years.

I meant, as per above, any contractor. In other words, it's your
cost. I reroofed with a 40 year roof before getting the panels
installed last year, but I'm fully prepared to pay (or remove and
reinstall the panels myself) if I decide to
re-roof for some reason before the 40 years is up.

On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>
> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>

Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry. People
had to see that in the process and final inspection.

On 3/5/2019 6:58 PM, Bob D wrote:
> The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.
>

I believe you nailed it Bob.

On 3/5/2019 3:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:22:22 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 12:31 PM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 18:14:59 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not your truck until it's got its first working scratch. :)
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>> Paid for in full, so when it get scratched you are right. :)
>>>
>>
>>
>> Forgot to ask, why did it take 6 months for the order to arrive? 3
>> months is the norm.
>
> Ford opened orders in August, they did not build them for sale till
> after Thanksgiving. Mine was built in Febuary and then shipped rail to
> Nashville TN got there on the 7th. It was the last to be off loaded
> yesterday. Tim the sales manager was a bit frustrated with Ford, he
> does not know the reasons for the delays. So far they have no idea as
> to when they will have dealer trucks to sell, all production is to
> fill sales orders. Ford went to overtime at the beginning of Febuary
> on the Ranger line.
>
> There was the they have to build trucks and not have any problems for
> 5 days on the line before they shipped any????????????
>
> Honestly I have no real idea as to order to delivery time frame, but
> it is a new product.
>

Actually I should have known that, I used to work for an Olds
dealership. The model years typically come to an end at the end of
Summer for American made vehicles. You got the brand new vehicle and
that comes with some delays until they figure out all the little kinks
that slow production.

Keep us informed on how you like it.

On 3/5/2019 9:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/5/2019 7:58 PM, Bob D wrote:
>> The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.
>>
>
> I am a problem.  My ass is not getting up in the bed without a step of
> some sort.  If I was in the market for a pickup it would be a consideration

Almost all if not all pick up trucks have a step bumper to begin with.
The GMC step does not go much lower than the built in step in the bumper.
I use the step on the bumper to get in the bed of my Tundra, and then I
drop the tailgate.

On 3/8/2019 11:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/8/19 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/8/2019 9:52 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/8/19 8:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2019 6:23 PM, Bob D wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/
>>>>>
>>>>> They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and
>>>>> enhanced it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks
>>>>> like its low enough to be really useful and its out of the way of
>>>>> trailering.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes!  With Honda and Ram you can actually get really close to the bed.
>>>
>>> That's the real benefit I see.  When I saw that it reminded me the
>>> back door on a 70s station wagon that would swing all the way out.
>>
>> Or that station wagon door where the door dropped down beneath the
>> back floor and the glass went up into the roof panel.  ;~)
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, if they'd quick making these things so fricken high off
>>> the ground, the gate wouldn't be an issue.  Probably 85% of these
>>> trucks with such high suspension never get the springs bent, if you
>>> know what I mean.
>>
>> There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a
>> better view.
>>
>
> And puts your headlights in everybody else's eyes.

Even a shorter truck, with a 3,000 lb load will put its head lights in
every one else s eyes. LOL.

I have probably seen as many "cars" that do that too. 2 people in the
back seat and there you go.

In Texas head light alignment was a requirement several years ago for
annual state inspections. That has been eliminated, I think. Probably
because alignment is more difficult with out a sealed beam lamp.

On 3/7/2019 10:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/7/19 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back
>>>>>>> seats
>>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>>>>
>>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.  People
>>>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
>>> list.  On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed
>>> at different points by different people, and they are all about getting
>>> the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the
>>> line.  The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
>>>
>>> I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on
>>> the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door.  At
>>> least the color was right.  LOL
>>
>> I had a Dodge Voyager.  The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".
>>
>
> I may have some exact details wrong, but it's a funny story nonetheless.
> Back in the late 80s in college, I had a friend who's parents were well
> off and she was a bit spoiled.  Thankfully, she didn't act spoiled and
> was actually a modest and humble person and very frugal in spending.
>
> Her Dad told her if she graduated near the head of her class, he'd buy
> her any new car she wanted as long as it was an American car.  Any of us
> would have chosen a Corvette or Mustang, right?  What did she choose?
> The reissued Chevy Nova, because it was "cute."
>
> Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joint
> venture between GM and Toyota.  The Nova and Toyota Corolla were in all
> details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
>
> She actually picked up the car from the dealer in our college town and
> her dad came to visit her and see the car.  From the outside, everything
> looked Chevy.
> I'll never forget the look on her Dad's face when she opened the door
> and right there on the steering wheel, in big, bold, embossed letters
> was the word "TOYOTA."
>
> Oops.  Looks like that car was made on a Friday afternoon and someone
> grabbed a steering wheel from the wrong pile.  :-D
>
>
I remember the Toyota built Nova. It was a big deal back in the early 80's.

FWIW Isuzu built the Chevy LUV pickup and later on Isuzu built the
American looking Smaller Chevy Blazer when the Blazer shrunk to the S10
size. Oddly Chevrolet got credit for building the Honda Passport, which
looked like the Blazer, however both the Passport and the Blazer were
built by Isuzu, who did also build the Isuzu Rodeo.

To day American built applies to many Japanese vehicles. The 07 and
later Toyota Tundras have always been built in San Antonio TX. Oddly
the Tundra and the Tacoma are built in the same plant at the same time
on the same assembly line. I visited the plant last summer and was very
surprised that Tundras and Tacomas were in line together being
assembled. Talk about stopping the line if the wrong part is knitted
in.... Actually the line did get shut down during the visit and the
tour was promptly canceled. :~)

Mazda built the Ford Courier pick up.

And now some Buicks are built in China. I think it is their "house shoe
sized SUV".

On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/5/2019 9:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/5/2019 7:58 PM, Bob D wrote:
>>> The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.
>>>
>>
>> I am a problem.  My ass is not getting up in the bed without a step of
>> some sort.  If I was in the market for a pickup it would be a
>> consideration
>
> Almost all if not all pick up trucks have a step bumper to begin with.
> The GMC step does not go much lower than the built in step in the bumper.
> I use the step on the bumper to get in the bed of my Tundra, and then I
> drop the tailgate.

Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/

On 3/5/2019 7:40 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>>
>> THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>>
>> I would have refused delivery.
>>
>> Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>> reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>> Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>>
>> My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>> infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>> about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>> I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>> furniture.
>>
>> Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>> the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>>
>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>
> When did they jump forward 5-10 years??
>>
>> Good luck with you new truck.


LOL The 2019 Chevy now has gills, like a fish. And Chevy and GMC both
have a Mr. Potatohead approach to the appearance of the dash and
instrument panel.

On the plus side I understand they figured out how to center the
steering wheel to the drivers seat.

On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different. Happy at present.
>

Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?

On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 9:24:25 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:07:09 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>=20
> >On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
> >>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
> >>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seat=
s
> >>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >>>=20
> >>
> >>
> >>I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and=20
> >>installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a=20
> >>result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take=
=20
> >>the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of=20
> >>alterations when ever you want.
> >>
> >>The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44=20
> >>seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49=20
> >>seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a=20
> >>software change.
> >>
> >>IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.
> >>
> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dh3o0hzBt8y0
> >
> >It is cool but, at $650 I can pass on that. Now if you see a way to
> >turn on the rear view camera all the time so I can break the law.
> If you don't mind the backup lights being on just put a switch in
> parallel with the reverse light switch.

*He* may not mind the backup lights being on all the time but following=20
drivers probably would, as would the Feds.

Electronic Code of Federal Regulations
Title 49 =E2=86=92 Subtitle B =E2=86=92 Chapter V =E2=86=92 Part 571 =E2=86=
=92 Subpart B =E2=86=92 =C2=A7571.108

Backup Lamp
Must not be energized when the vehicle is in forward motion.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>
>
>
>THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>
>I would have refused delivery.
>
>Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>
>My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>furniture.
>
>Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>
>Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>

I'm still staying>Good luck with you new truck.

Always good to buy a vehicle just before the newest version comes out
- you know that all the problems, glitches, bugs or whatever have been
found and either fixed or worked around. The LAST thing I want is the
first year's production of ANY manufacturer's vehicle because you get
to deal with all the "Oops!" in that design and/or its implementation.

We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
maintenance :-(

I've found no reason to part with my 2007 Tacoma. It does all I need:
retired guy caring for a 40+ year old house and a yard, including
carrying away the major yard/bush/small tree cleanup after
trimming/cutting; carting home more solar panels for the system I've
been buildiong for more than a year - it's a "Wait until daylight"
solar-charged battery bank with a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter
and a transfer switch to provide power to fridge, fyrnace, some lights
and some kitchen counter outlets. Depending on the season, it can
provide 10 to 24 hours of limited but adequate power so I can wait
until daylight - or until the storm has passed - before going out to
start a gasoline generator (have 3, from 1600 watt inverter gen to a
5000 watt 120/240 Generac). The inverter gen is OK for minimum power
and recharging the batteries. If I need bigger power tools (10" table
saw) I'll use the Generac.



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On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:18:46 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>=20
> >On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote=
:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat tri=
m
> >>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back se=
ats
> >>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
> >>>
> >>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >>>
> >>=20
> >> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=C2=A0 =
People=20
> >> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >
> >
> >Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check=20
> >list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed=
=20
> >at different points by different people, and they are all about getting=
=20
> >the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the=
=20
> >line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >
> >I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on=
=20
> >the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. At=20
> >least the color was right. LOL
>=20
> I had a Dodge Voyager. The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".

For a few years we had a Voyager and a Grand Voyager at the same time.

They sucked so bad I count those 2 vans as 3 of the worst vehicles we=20
ever owned.
=20

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>>
>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>>
>>
>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.  People
>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
>
>
>Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
>list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often installed
>at different points by different people, and they are all about getting
>the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come down the
>line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
>
>I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel on
>the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. At
>least the color was right. LOL

I had a Dodge Voyager. The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymouth".

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>
>
>
>THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>
>I would have refused delivery.
>
>Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>
>My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>furniture.
>
>Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>
>Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>
>Good luck with you new truck.

Actually the front seats are the "wrong color" but it looks great, and
they are heated. So rather than give Murpy a chance I let it be, I
rather like the look, they would have ordered the "right color" and
replaced seats at the dealer.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>
>
>
>THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>
>I would have refused delivery.
>
>Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>
>My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>furniture.
>
>Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>
>Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.

When did they jump forward 5-10 years??
>
>Good luck with you new truck.

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-6, Markem wrote:
> only hick up is the front and back seats
> color is different.

Like Leon, I read this and asked "What the H-LL". Are the seats supposed t=
o be different color? Is one dark black/gray/brown and the other light bla=
ck/gray/brown? Different, but intentional to give a nice contrast. Or is =
one black and the other brown? As in they just stuck in whatever the F--- =
they had around and didn't give a S---.

Guessing the 7 months it took to deliver is because you ordered something u=
nique and its a new model year so Ford had to custom make it for you.

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 6:01:01 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:55:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>=20
> >On 3/8/2019 9:52 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 3/8/19 8:38 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>> On 3/7/2019 6:23 PM, Bob D wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> >>>>> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>>>> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/
> >>>>
> >>>> They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and=20
> >>>> enhanced it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks lik=
e=20
> >>>> its low enough to be really useful and its out of the way of trailer=
ing.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes!=C2=A0 With Honda and Ram you can actually get really close to th=
e bed.
> >>=20
> >> That's the real benefit I see.=C2=A0 When I saw that it reminded me th=
e back=20
> >> door on a 70s station wagon that would swing all the way out.
> >
> >Or that station wagon door where the door dropped down beneath the back=
=20
> >floor and the glass went up into the roof panel. ;~)
> >
> >>=20
> >> Of course, if they'd quick making these things so fricken high off the=
=20
> >> ground, the gate wouldn't be an issue.=C2=A0 Probably 85% of these tru=
cks=20
> >> with such high suspension never get the springs bent, if you know what=
I=20
> >> mean.
> >
> >There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a=20
> >better view.
> >
> >
> >
> >>=20
> >> My old '84 F-150 could comfortably haul a ton and a half of gravel but=
I=20
> >> could see the top of the roof and into the engine bay without a step=
=20
> >> ladder.
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >
> >3,000 lbs???
> Dad's of bent-side F150 scaled at 2.5 tons of mixed hardwood on one
> load - it had quite a "squat" and had rolled 2 tires off the rims on
> the way down the hill to the road from the cutting site - it was quite
> a job to jack that sucker up to change the tires. He drove home with
> the tires at 50PSI at 30MPH max (about 20 miles)

Whenever I had to move 2.5 tons, I'd make 2 trips at 1.25 tons each.=20

That's about all the Vega could handle. ;-)

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 08:51:53 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/5/19 7:06 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:15:05 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 5:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>>>
>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just one thing to consider about the seats. If you trade, a dealer will
>>> certainly discount the value and an individual may not want two tone.
>>> Just saying. ;~)
>>
>> Buy that time I probably won't care that much, will keep this one for
>> at least 10 years, which will put me at 74. Will I even be here, if I
>> am will I be driving? Will anyone be driving?
>>
>
>LOL. Funny.
>
>Please tell me you got one of the ones with the ridiculously bright
>headlights that are aimed too high!

But of couse anything you want sir.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:22:22 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 12:31 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 18:14:59 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Markem <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not your truck until it's got its first working scratch. :)
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>
>> Paid for in full, so when it get scratched you are right. :)
>>
>
>
>Forgot to ask, why did it take 6 months for the order to arrive? 3
>months is the norm.

Ford opened orders in August, they did not build them for sale till
after Thanksgiving. Mine was built in Febuary and then shipped rail to
Nashville TN got there on the 7th. It was the last to be off loaded
yesterday. Tim the sales manager was a bit frustrated with Ford, he
does not know the reasons for the delays. So far they have no idea as
to when they will have dealer trucks to sell, all production is to
fill sales orders. Ford went to overtime at the beginning of Febuary
on the Ranger line.

There was the they have to build trucks and not have any problems for
5 days on the line before they shipped any????????????

Honestly I have no real idea as to order to delivery time frame, but
it is a new product.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:07:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/6/2019 1:18 AM, ads wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>>>
>>> I would have refused delivery.
>>>
>>> Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>>> reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>>> Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>>>
>>> My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>>> infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>>> about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>>> I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>>> furniture.
>>>
>>> Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>>> the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>>>
>>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>>
>>
>> I'm still staying>Good luck with you new truck.
>>
>> Always good to buy a vehicle just before the newest version comes out
>> - you know that all the problems, glitches, bugs or whatever have been
>> found and either fixed or worked around. The LAST thing I want is the
>> first year's production of ANY manufacturer's vehicle because you get
>> to deal with all the "Oops!" in that design and/or its implementation.
>
>I used to run the service department for a Olds dealership. Those first
>years problems don't get solved. So the last year is no better than the
>first year IMHO. In fact IMHO the first year tends to over build to
>guard against possible issues. I have seen a good thing dumbed down in
>later years.
>
>Anyway, I have bought a 1990 Acura, 2007 Tundra, and 2012 Camry. All
>were first year for the model change and all were less trouble than most
>any other vehicle that I have owned. In fact the Camry never had any
>warranty work done on it at all, that is very unusual. Gasoline, oil
>changes, and tires in 55,000 miles is all we have spent on it
>
>
1996 Ford Ranger 4.0 5 speed - original owner had NO warranty work The
only repairs he had to do was replace the FRONT brakes ONCE in the
time he owned it. I bought it 17 years old with 307000km with a bad
clutch slave. I fixed that and replaced U Joints - I've finally
replaced the rear brakes, as well as the cam syncronizer and
serpentine belt tensioner, as well as the radiator over the last
60,000 or so km.

That's even better than either pf my Toyotas - which were both very
good (and 1980-81 vintage)
>
>>
>> We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
>> gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
>> maintenance :-(
>
>There you go.
>

On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 2:37:16 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 05:44:19 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Saturday, March 9, 2019 at 12:33:05 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:47:24 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>=20
> >> >On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 10:18:46 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wro=
te:
> >> >> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wro=
te:
> >> >>=20
> >> >> >On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> >> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]>=
wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lari=
at trim
> >> >> >>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and b=
ack seats
> >> >> >>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it =
right?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=
=C2=A0 People=20
> >> >> >> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the chec=
k=20
> >> >> >list. On the assembly line the front and back seats are often ins=
talled=20
> >> >> >at different points by different people, and they are all about ge=
tting=20
> >> >> >the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come do=
wn the=20
> >> >> >line. The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim pane=
l on=20
> >> >> >the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door. =
At=20
> >> >> >least the color was right. LOL
> >> >>=20
> >> >> I had a Dodge Voyager. The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Plymout=
h".
> >> >
> >> >For a few years we had a Voyager and a Grand Voyager at the same time=
.
> >> >
> >> >They sucked so bad I count those 2 vans as 3 of the worst vehicles we=
=20
> >> >ever owned.
>=20
> The 1984 Caravan/voyager saved Chrysler's ass. Based on the K Car
> platform which was certainly no worse than GM's X Car or J-Car of the
> same era.
> The later Caravan still put the "plastic vatntastic"
> Venture/TransSport twins to shame and were certainly no worse than
> Ford's Winstar
> >> >=20
> >> The '85 was pretty bad but nowhere near the worst car we ever had.
> >> ...not even close to the '71 Gremlin (*the* most appropriately named
> >> car ever ;-).
>=20
> The quality control at AMC in the late sixties and early seventies
> was not the best - but nor was Ford, GM, or Mopar. The only SERIOUS
> p[roblem with the Gremmy was the door catch pulling out of the B
> pillar when the big heavy doors sagged on the hinges (usually from
> people leaning on the doors)
>=20
> >
> >You never knew what you were going to get if it started with AMC. Some g=
ood, some=20
> >pretty
> >
> >That was particularly true for parts. It seemed like AMC would use any p=
art from any=20
> >manufacturer, even within the same model year. I remember trying to buy =
a starter for my all=20
> >time favorite car: my '66 Rambler Ambassador 990.
> >
> >The guy behind the counter said "You have 3 choices. Tell me your bolt p=
attern and I'll=20
> >give you the one you need."
> >
>=20
> As for the parts situation it was not nearly as bad as Foed. If your
> parts man new how to read the parts book (or fische) he knew which
> starter you needed by the combination of engine and transmission. AMC
> used Prestolite and Delco electronics, with a smatering of autolite
> thrown in.
>=20
> With Ford they'd throw 9 inch brakes from a 6 cyl fairlane onto a V8
> Cyclone even when the specs said it had 10 inch drums. You HAD to
> measure the diameter and width to ensure you got the right parts
> -making it a real crapshoot ordering parts in advance.
>=20
> And while the latches broke out of the gremlins, the mirrors fell out
> of Torinos complete with a 100 square inch patch of rusted metal, and
> the tops of the Volare fenders rotted through from the inside within 2
> years - - -=20
>=20
> AMC had solved THAT problem back in 1965 (the 63 and 64 classics had
> the problem)
> >Ah, the "Lay Down Rambler". Pull the front split bench forward, recline =
the backs and the
> >entire car turned in a bed. A big bed, since it was a 6 passenger car.
> >
> >From the song "B Movie Box Car Blues"
> >
> >Next I caught a ride with a gambler's wife,=20
> >She had a brand new lay down Rambler
> >She parked t'other side of town
> >She layed the Rambler down
> >She said she could dig if I'd knew her
>=20
>=20
> I 've owned and drove several AMCs - 62 American, 65 Rebel, 73
> Ambassador, and 75 Pacer - none of them anywhere close to new, and
> none were any worse than any of the other clunkers I owned. My family
> owned several others - 63 Classic, 65 classic, 68 Rebe etc. Other
> than the front suspensin folding under the 62 American none ever let
> us down.l

I had a friend that put a Pacer body on the frame of a (I forget what=20
kind) pick-up truck to use as a plow vehicle. He liked the visibility of=20
all that glass.

My 66 Ambassador never let me down, it was my dad's mechanic that f*cked=20
me over.

In 1980 I asked him to make sure the Rambler was OK to drive 350 miles to
where I was moving to. He cut a rusted part out of the front end before he=
=20
realized that he couldn't get a replacement part in time for my move. All
the local salvage yard parts were just as rusted in and nobody could locate
one that was already out.

I stopped by the shop to find out what he planned to do about it and notice=
d
that my car wasn't there. "Where's my car?"=20

"I was just about to call you and ask you if you took it."

"How could I take it? The front end was in pieces."

"Hmm...it must have been stolen. I better call my insurance company." =20

Two weeks later the police called and said the car had been found. It was=
=20
about 2 miles from the guy's shop. The front grill, headlights, etc, were=
=20
all smashed, as if, perhaps, just maybe someone had backed a tow truck=20
into it to make sure it wouldn't be worth repairing. The car wasn't drivabl=
e,
due the front end being apart, so it had to have been towed from the shop=
=20
to where it was found.

Of course the guy would never admit it, but to this day I'm sure he "stole"
it because he took it apart and couldn't put it back together. I got $500
from the insurance company. Man, I was pissed. Still am.

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 1:14:04 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 3/8/2019 12:04 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> >> On 3/7/2019 10:19 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> On 3/7/19 9:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:13:12 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrot=
e:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 3/5/2019 9:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/5/2019 6:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> w=
rote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat=
trim
> >>>>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and bac=
k
> >>>>>>>>> seats
> >>>>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it ri=
ght?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Still a sad commentary about the state of the US auto industry.=C2=
=A0 People
> >>>>>> had to see that in the process and final inspection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Final inspection should have caught it, if it was even on the check
> >>>>> list.=C2=A0 On the assembly line the front and back seats are often=
installed
> >>>>> at different points by different people, and they are all about get=
ting
> >>>>> the parts installed and setting up for the next vehicle to come dow=
n the
> >>>>> line.=C2=A0 The line stops if a component does not fit or plug in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall, many years ago a new Oldsmobile having an Olds trim panel=
on
> >>>>> the drivers door and a Pontiac trim panel on the passenger door.=C2=
=A0 At
> >>>>> least the color was right.=C2=A0 LOL
> >>>>
> >>>> I had a Dodge Voyager.=C2=A0 The grille said "Dodge" instead of "Ply=
mouth".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I may have some exact details wrong, but it's a funny story nonethele=
ss.
> >>> Back in the late 80s in college, I had a friend who's parents were we=
ll
> >>> off and she was a bit spoiled.=C2=A0 Thankfully, she didn't act spoil=
ed and
> >>> was actually a modest and humble person and very frugal in spending.
> >>>
> >>> Her Dad told her if she graduated near the head of her class, he'd bu=
y
> >>> her any new car she wanted as long as it was an American car.=C2=A0 A=
ny of us
> >>> would have chosen a Corvette or Mustang, right?=C2=A0 What did she ch=
oose?
> >>> The reissued Chevy Nova, because it was "cute."
> >>>
> >>> Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joi=
nt
> >>> venture between GM and Toyota.=C2=A0 The Nova and Toyota Corolla were=
in all
> >>> details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
> >>>
> >>> She actually picked up the car from the dealer in our college town an=
d
> >>> her dad came to visit her and see the car.=C2=A0 From the outside, ev=
erything
> >>> looked Chevy.
> >>> I'll never forget the look on her Dad's face when she opened the door
> >>> and right there on the steering wheel, in big, bold, embossed letters
> >>> was the word "TOYOTA."
> >>>
> >>> Oops.=C2=A0 Looks like that car was made on a Friday afternoon and so=
meone
> >>> grabbed a steering wheel from the wrong pile.=C2=A0 :-D
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I remember the Toyota built Nova. It was a big deal back in the early=
80's.
> >>
> >=20
> > Wasn't it the 70's era Nova's that always look crooked when you drove b=
ehind
> > them?
>=20
> That could be, I have seen many vehicles do that. Most common reasons=20
> was that the frame was bent, from a wreck, and never properly=20
> straightened. Or way out front end alignment.

This was too common an occurrence within a single model model line to be
caused by accidents or temporary front end alignment issues. I'd guess
a rear axle or rear leaf spring issue possibly due to corrosion.

The Nova did "soup-up" nicely though. ;-)

> >=20
> > Maybe I'm mis-remembering the model, but there was some car from back t=
hen
> > that dog tracked or crabbed, whatever the term for that is.
> >

On Wed, 06 Mar 2019 02:18:54 -0500, ads wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:20:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>
>>
>>
>>THE Front and Back Seats are Different in color??????
>>
>>I would have refused delivery.
>>
>>Late this year or early next I plan on trading up. Although I am
>>reluctant to give up the dependability of my 07 Tundra. I understand
>>Toyota will have a new 2020 Tundra. Sooo I may wait a bit longer.
>>
>>My favorite on the list now is the new 2019 Ram with the 12"
>>infotainment screen. Either the Limited or the Long Horn. Yeah I know
>>about the 3rd place this one has placed in the past among the big 3.
>>I just want a cowboy Cadillac for travel and the occasional delivery of
>>furniture.
>>
>>Next on my list would be a King Ranch F150 but the jury is still out on
>>the turbo for me. Probably go with the 5.0
>>
>>Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>
>
>I'm still staying>Good luck with you new truck.
>
>Always good to buy a vehicle just before the newest version comes out
>- you know that all the problems, glitches, bugs or whatever have been
>found and either fixed or worked around. The LAST thing I want is the
>first year's production of ANY manufacturer's vehicle because you get
>to deal with all the "Oops!" in that design and/or its implementation.

Except in a GM where they continue to build with the known problems
for years because they figure it's cheaper to repair the percentage
that fail within warranty than to fix the problem - and hey, they get
to make money on the repair parts too!!
>
>We got 20 years out of my wife's '95 Camry and probably would have
>gotten longer if I'd not been too sick to keep track of the
>maintenance :-(
>
>I've found no reason to part with my 2007 Tacoma. It does all I need:
>retired guy caring for a 40+ year old house and a yard, including
>carrying away the major yard/bush/small tree cleanup after
>trimming/cutting; carting home more solar panels for the system I've
>been buildiong for more than a year - it's a "Wait until daylight"
>solar-charged battery bank with a 2000 watt pure sine wave inverter
>and a transfer switch to provide power to fridge, fyrnace, some lights
>and some kitchen counter outlets. Depending on the season, it can
>provide 10 to 24 hours of limited but adequate power so I can wait
>until daylight - or until the storm has passed - before going out to
>start a gasoline generator (have 3, from 1600 watt inverter gen to a
>5000 watt 120/240 Generac). The inverter gen is OK for minimum power
>and recharging the batteries. If I need bigger power tools (10" table
>saw) I'll use the Generac.
>
>
>
>---
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>https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:09:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 2:20 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Chevrolet and GMC still look and are 10 years behind the curve.
>>
>> Good luck with you new truck.
>
>The new tailgate that GMC has been pushing seems like it could sell some
>trucks though, especially to an older arthritic group.
>https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-gmc-sierras-six-way-multipro-tailgate-is-a-gre-1828589477
Puts the KISS principal right out the door though. How long will it
last before if screws up totally and you end up driving downthe road
with your guts hanging out your tail???
It IS a GM after all - - -

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 08:51:53 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/5/19 7:06 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:15:05 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 5:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>>>
>>>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just one thing to consider about the seats. If you trade, a dealer will
>>> certainly discount the value and an individual may not want two tone.
>>> Just saying. ;~)
>>
>> Buy that time I probably won't care that much, will keep this one for
>> at least 10 years, which will put me at 74. Will I even be here, if I
>> am will I be driving? Will anyone be driving?
>>
>
>LOL. Funny.
>
>Please tell me you got one of the ones with the ridiculously bright
>headlights that are aimed too high!

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
> > On 3/5/2019 9:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 3/5/2019 7:58 PM, Bob D wrote:
> >>> The GMC tailgate looks like a solution looking for a problem.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am a problem.=C2=A0 My ass is not getting up in the bed without a st=
ep of=20
> >> some sort.=C2=A0 If I was in the market for a pickup it would be a=20
> >> consideration
> >=20
> > Almost all if not all pick up trucks have a step bumper to begin with.
> > The GMC step does not go much lower than the built in step in the bumpe=
r.
> > I use the step on the bumper to get in the bed of my Tundra, and then I=
=20
> > drop the tailgate.
>=20
> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
>=20
> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/

They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and enhanced =
it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks like its low enough=
to be really useful and its out of the way of trailering.

>
>Our neighborhood is running about 25-30% solar at this point.
>

Even at night ?
.. tell me about your solar energy storage system.
John T.

-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>On 3/8/19 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:

>> There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a
>> better view.
>>
>
>And puts your headlights in everybody else's eyes.
>

And your front bumper in everyone elses rear window in a wreck.

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 11:03:28 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/8/19 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/8/2019 9:52 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/8/19 8:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2019 6:23 PM, Bob D wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/2019 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> Actually I prefer this new tail gate by RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.motortrend.com/news/ram-1500-multifunction-tailgate/
>>>>>
>>>>> They gave taken a proven, useful design used on Honda pickups and
>>>>> enhanced it. I especially like the kick activated step. It looks
>>>>> like its low enough to be really useful and its out of the way of
>>>>> trailering.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes!  With Honda and Ram you can actually get really close to the bed.
>>>
>>> That's the real benefit I see.  When I saw that it reminded me the
>>> back door on a 70s station wagon that would swing all the way out.
>>
>> Or that station wagon door where the door dropped down beneath the back
>> floor and the glass went up into the roof panel.  ;~)
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, if they'd quick making these things so fricken high off the
>>> ground, the gate wouldn't be an issue.  Probably 85% of these trucks
>>> with such high suspension never get the springs bent, if you know what
>>> I mean.
>>
>> There is that but for open road traveling the tall stance gives you a
>> better view.
>>
>
>And puts your headlights in everybody else's eyes.
>
>>>
>>> My old '84 F-150 could comfortably haul a ton and a half of gravel but
>>> I could see the top of the roof and into the engine bay without a step
>>> ladder.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 3,000 lbs???
>
>Yep. Back when I was building our first house, I made regular trips to
>the "gravel pit" and with certain stone, a full, humped bed load was
>just over 1.5 tons.
>It flatted out the springs quite a bit, but man, it rode like a Cadillac
>with that load in it.
>I just had to make sure I got on the brakes early. :-)
Imagine a Ford Ranger with 1200 square feet of ash hardwood flooring
in it - or 22 standard IKEA billy library shelves? The hardwood from
Plattsville to Waterloo, and the shelves from BVurlington to Waterloo.
Rode like a dream and handled like a pig.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>
>
>
>I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and
>installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a
>result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take
>the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of
>alterations when ever you want.
>
>The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44
>seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49
>seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a
>software change.
>
>IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3o0hzBt8y0

It is cool but, at $650 I can pass on that. Now if you see a way to
turn on the rear view camera all the time so I can break the law.

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:15:05 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 3/5/2019 5:30 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 17:57:09 -0500, John McGaw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2019 12:42 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>>>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>>>> color is different. Happy at present.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why are the seats different colors? Are they going to make it right?
>>
>> They would but I kind of like the contrast.
>>
>
>
>Just one thing to consider about the seats. If you trade, a dealer will
>certainly discount the value and an individual may not want two tone.
>Just saying. ;~)

+1

The next buyer is going to suspect it was in an accident and they
rebuilt with junk seats.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:27:03 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 9:24:25 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:07:09 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:32:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 3/5/2019 11:42 AM, Markem wrote:
>> >>> So I ordered it August 13, I got it today. A 2019 Ranger Lariat trim
>> >>> package, Steel Blue in color, only hick up is the front and back seats
>> >>> color is different. Happy at present.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I watch TFLtruck on you tube and the guys bought a chip kit and
>> >>installed on a new Ranger. They got a load more torque and HP as a
>> >>result. Apparently you can reflash the chip to original when you take
>> >>the vehicle in for warranty work and go back to any combinations of
>> >>alterations when ever you want.
>> >>
>> >>The Ranger going 0-60 before the new chip took approximately 7.44
>> >>seconds. After the chip change, 0-60 dropped significantly to 5.49
>> >>seconds.. THAT is a significant improvement in power with just a
>> >>software change.
>> >>
>> >>IIRC hp increased by about 55 and lb-torque increased about 88.
>> >>
>> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3o0hzBt8y0
>> >
>> >It is cool but, at $650 I can pass on that. Now if you see a way to
>> >turn on the rear view camera all the time so I can break the law.
>> If you don't mind the backup lights being on just put a switch in
>> parallel with the reverse light switch.
>
>*He* may not mind the backup lights being on all the time but following
>drivers probably would, as would the Feds.
>
>Electronic Code of Federal Regulations
>Title 49 ? Subtitle B ? Chapter V ? Part 571 ? Subpart B ? §571.108
>
>Backup Lamp
>Must not be energized when the vehicle is in forward motion.
>
And somewhere in that code is no rear view cameras for driving. But
you could isolate the backup light on a separate switch, after reading
all the Eulas (ok skimming) in the manual I thought what a lawyers wet
dream tortes are.

On Fri, 08 Mar 2019 08:11:00 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>
>>
>>Apparently, the Chevy Nova was one of a few cars produced under a joint
>>venture between GM and Toyota. The Nova and Toyota Corolla were in all
>>details but branding, the same, exact car, made in the same plants.
>>
>
> I had to look this up - the Chev - Toyota partnership
> must have escaped me back in the day ..
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Sprinter
>
>I was aware of the GM - Suzuki venture - called CAMI -
>just down the road in Ingersoll Ontario.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAMI_Automotive
>
>During construction, the Japanese business procedures
>caused the plant name acronym CAMI to be interpreted as
> Call Another Meeting Immediately :-)
>
> John T.
NUMMI - New United Motor Manufacturing - I believe the plant is now
part of Tesla.