Thank God it's almost over! I've stayed out of it all . . .
#1 Because all the name calling, nit-picking and acrimony aren't going to
change ANYONE'S mind! Anybody can take whatever news is out there and twist
it to suit themselves. I've received so much anti-Kerry and anti-Bush BS in
my email that I automatically go to Snopes & check it out, then pass URLs
and results back to where it came from.
#2 Because when all the shootin' and shoutin' is over, it's what every
individual does inside the privacy of the voting booth.
#3 Because no matter who wins the Presidential election, we're still stuck
with a bunch of pork barrel a**hole lawyers(most of them) in the Senate and
the House. The President can push, shove, cajole, threaten, or whatever, but
in most cases his hands are tied unless CONGRESS gives it's approval.
#4 The "inside the beltway" mentality is a cesspool I wouldn't want to have
to live with. Until there is a way found to get their collective A**es off
dead center and do what's right for the country as a whole, nothing is going
to change!
I'm done, gonna go vote the way I think tomorrow, just like everyone else,
and we'll see where the chips fall.
--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:32:31 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Here in western NY we still use the voting machines. The school where I
>volunteer is a polling place, and *our* polling place is a church just up
>the street. The old women @ the roll tables are neighbors, and the "bake
>sale" is by the entry door, hosted by the local Girl Scouts.
The Poor Voter On Election Day
by John Greenleaf Whittier
To-day, of all the weary year,
A king of men am I.
To-day, alike are great and small,
The nameless and the known;
My palace is the people's hall,
The ballot-box my throne!
The rich is level with the poor,
The weak is strong to-day;
And sleekest broadcloth counts no more
Than homespun frock of gray.
To-day let pomp and vain pretence
My stubborn right abide;
I set a plain man's common sense
Against the pedant's pride.
The wide world has not wealth to buy
The power in my right hand!
Regards,
Tom.
"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I miss the voting booth. Really. I'm a traditionalist and enjoyed the
> process and ceremony. Oregon went to mail-in balloting back in '98 or
> such for all elections and did away with polling places, voting booths,
> punch cards, slide levers, and the old men and ladies at the voter roles
> tables with their plates of homemade cookies and treats.
>
Ouch! That's the first good reason I've heard for not living in Oregon.
I hope we don't pick up our neighbor's bad habits here in WA :-).
Going to vote on election day is a ceremony. It reminds us of our
privelege and our responsibility.
We didn't get cookies this morning, but we did get candy :-).
--
There ARE no Iraqi WMDs!
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:32:31 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Here in western NY we still use the voting machines.
... and they're *old* voting machines. But they work.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:15:21 -0800, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> I miss the voting booth. Really. I'm a traditionalist and enjoyed the
>> process and ceremony. Oregon went to mail-in balloting back in '98 or
>> such for all elections and did away with polling places, voting booths,
>> punch cards, slide levers, and the old men and ladies at the voter roles
>> tables with their plates of homemade cookies and treats.
>>
>Ouch! That's the first good reason I've heard for not living in Oregon.
>I hope we don't pick up our neighbor's bad habits here in WA :-).
>
>Going to vote on election day is a ceremony. It reminds us of our
>privelege and our responsibility.
>
>We didn't get cookies this morning, but we did get candy :-).
Bummer, all we get is an "I voted" sticker. Which kind of struck me as
funny later --- the same thing we use to reward kids for good behavior
being used on adults.
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> as an out-of-towner, so to speak, I sure hope this is the end of this OT
POL
> junk. Maybe it can be taken to a political group after tomorrow.
I filtered the words Bush and Kerry and it's eliminated better then 99% of
the political mail.
Upscale responds:
>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> as an out-of-towner, so to speak, I sure hope this is the end of this OT
>POL
>> junk. Maybe it can be taken to a political group after tomorrow.
>
>I filtered the words Bush and Kerry and it's eliminated better then 99% of
>the political mail.
I probably should have done that. It might have helped my blood pressure.
Here's a break from the political OT: it's still OT, but more fun.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~cdm/age1.html
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Ouch! That's the first good reason I've heard for not living in
> Oregon. I hope we don't pick up our neighbor's bad habits here in WA
> :-).
>
> Going to vote on election day is a ceremony. It reminds us of our
> privelege and our responsibility.
>
> We didn't get cookies this morning, but we did get candy :-).
>
Sorry to add more chatter, but WTF ...
I do miss the 'ceremony', but we've pretty much come up with our own ;-)
(I'm in Or, also ...)
I *really* like not having to wait behind yahoos that haven't even
cracked open the voters pamphlet (and thus have no idea what they are
voting for); and even more to the point, I feel that vote-by-mail has
given me back my vote -- I now no longer have put up with TV/Radio
telling me who's "won" before half the state's even had a chance to
vote. (not that it ever stopped *me*, but there was a devastating effect
on turnout here in '80? -- when Reagan was declared the winnah at 5pm
Pacific time).
Much as I miss the old ladies (and I don't remember cookies, but
wouldn't surprise me ...), I'd never go back.
Regards,
JT
OBWW: now looking for a combination sander (belt/disk); seems like most
of the choices are more $$ than I want to spend .. but still looking.
Went to HF last weekend, they only had one of the three models on
display, but at least they had clamps for real cheap! Picked up a
digital caliper for SWMBO, too.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:32:31 -0500, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Here in western NY we still use the voting machines.
Probably surplus from AVM, huh, Norm?
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:34:21 +0000 (UTC), John Thomas
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Ouch! That's the first good reason I've heard for not living in
>> Oregon. I hope we don't pick up our neighbor's bad habits here in WA
>> :-).
>>
>> Going to vote on election day is a ceremony. It reminds us of our
>> privelege and our responsibility.
>>
>> We didn't get cookies this morning, but we did get candy :-).
>>
>
>Sorry to add more chatter, but WTF ...
>
>I do miss the 'ceremony', but we've pretty much come up with our own ;-)
>(I'm in Or, also ...)
>
>I *really* like not having to wait behind yahoos that haven't even
>cracked open the voters pamphlet (and thus have no idea what they are
>voting for); and even more to the point, I feel that vote-by-mail has
>given me back my vote -- I now no longer have put up with TV/Radio
>telling me who's "won" before half the state's even had a chance to
>vote. (not that it ever stopped *me*, but there was a devastating effect
>on turnout here in '80? -- when Reagan was declared the winnah at 5pm
>Pacific time).
Wisconsin still has voting booths, and it's extra fun because we have
same-day registration. I was already registered, so I was in and out
in less than five minutes- but my wife had to sit in line for almost
an hour... maybe next time she'll listen when I tell her to drop by
the city clerk's a couple weeks beforehand!
>Much as I miss the old ladies (and I don't remember cookies, but
>wouldn't surprise me ...), I'd never go back.
No free cookies here, but my polling place was in the local senior's
center- so they were having a bakesale to raise money.
>Regards,
>
>JT
>
>OBWW: now looking for a combination sander (belt/disk); seems like most
>of the choices are more $$ than I want to spend .. but still looking.
>Went to HF last weekend, they only had one of the three models on
>display, but at least they had clamps for real cheap! Picked up a
>digital caliper for SWMBO, too.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > #2 Because when all the shootin' and shoutin' is over, it's what every
> > individual does inside the privacy of the voting booth.
>
> I miss the voting booth. Really. I'm a traditionalist and enjoyed the
> process and ceremony. Oregon went to mail-in balloting back in '98 or
> such for all elections and did away with polling places, voting booths,
> punch cards, slide levers, and the old men and ladies at the voter roles
> tables with their plates of homemade cookies and treats.
>
.
Here in western NY we still use the voting machines. The school where I
volunteer is a polling place, and *our* polling place is a church just up
the street. The old women @ the roll tables are neighbors, and the "bake
sale" is by the entry door, hosted by the local Girl Scouts.
--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> #2 Because when all the shootin' and shoutin' is over, it's what every
> individual does inside the privacy of the voting booth.
I miss the voting booth. Really. I'm a traditionalist and enjoyed the
process and ceremony. Oregon went to mail-in balloting back in '98 or
such for all elections and did away with polling places, voting booths,
punch cards, slide levers, and the old men and ladies at the voter roles
tables with their plates of homemade cookies and treats.
I remember tagging along with my Dad to vote in the Nixon/Humphrey race
in '68 in Virginia when I was 7. He impressed upon me the importance of
our citizen duty to vote. Thus, I make an effort to cast a ballot in
every single local, state and national vote, but now that I've a kid of
my own, I'm thinking she'll never get that feeling of process and
ceremony. It's just not the same, sitting at the dining room table,
marking the paper and stuffing the envelope. This year she and I did
make the 40 mile round trip to deliver the ballots (wife's and mine) to
the county elections office but it just wasn't the same.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____
"To know the world intimately is the beginning of caring."
-- Ann Hayman Zwinger
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:26:43 +1100, "Greg Millen"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Nahmie,
>
>as an out-of-towner, so to speak, I sure hope this is the end of this OT POL
>junk. Maybe it can be taken to a political group after tomorrow.
>
>I don't mind the occasional OT, but this has got way past the point of
>occasional.
Tomorrow they'll talk about lawsuits RE: a "fixed" election.
But hopefully, there won't be rioting or bloody anarchy...yet.
<sigh>
--
"Given the low level of competence among politicians,
every American should become a Libertarian."
-- Charley Reese, Alameda Times-Star (California), June 17, 2003
Nahmie,
as an out-of-towner, so to speak, I sure hope this is the end of this OT POL
junk. Maybe it can be taken to a political group after tomorrow.
I don't mind the occasional OT, but this has got way past the point of
occasional.
--
Greg
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank God it's almost over! I've stayed out of it all . . .
> #1 Because all the name calling, nit-picking and acrimony aren't going to
> change ANYONE'S mind! Anybody can take whatever news is out there and
> twist
> it to suit themselves. I've received so much anti-Kerry and anti-Bush BS
> in
> my email that I automatically go to Snopes & check it out, then pass URLs
> and results back to where it came from.
>
> #2 Because when all the shootin' and shoutin' is over, it's what every
> individual does inside the privacy of the voting booth.
>
> #3 Because no matter who wins the Presidential election, we're still stuck
> with a bunch of pork barrel a**hole lawyers(most of them) in the Senate
> and
> the House. The President can push, shove, cajole, threaten, or whatever,
> but
> in most cases his hands are tied unless CONGRESS gives it's approval.
>
> #4 The "inside the beltway" mentality is a cesspool I wouldn't want to
> have
> to live with. Until there is a way found to get their collective A**es off
> dead center and do what's right for the country as a whole, nothing is
> going
> to change!
>
> I'm done, gonna go vote the way I think tomorrow, just like everyone else,
> and we'll see where the chips fall.
>
> --
> Nahmie
> The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
>
>
>
>
Greg Millen responds:
>as an out-of-towner, so to speak, I sure hope this is the end of this OT POL
>junk. Maybe it can be taken to a political group after tomorrow.
>
>I don't mind the occasional OT, but this has got way past the point of
>occasional.
With luck, it's over now. I just got a great Bush/Kerry joke from Tom Watson
and I'm not even going to post it.
Voting is over 7 p.m. this evening, so the posts should peel off until there
are almost none, regardless of who wins.
We all hope.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> With luck, it's over now. I just got a great Bush/Kerry joke from Tom
> Watson and I'm not even going to post it.
>
Well, if it's a good one, it will keep until Wednesday.
Patriarch