Has anybody found any noise cancelling bluetooth headphones for the shop they can recommend?

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>
>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>
>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>
>>
>
>Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>
>There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>into the in-ear speakers.
>
>This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>
>When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>
>Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>
>The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>
>http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones

Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.

Which model do you have?

I've never been happy with any earbud for hearing protection, even the
ones with multiple flanges, or foam surrounds. Just not enough
protection, and I end up raising the music volume to overcome the noise.
My LG HBS-750 lowers outside sounds enough that I don't hear my wife
(sometimes all I need), but I like more protection from really loud
noise. Mine is a discontinued model, but still available for about
$50-60. Previously I used the HBS-730 until my wife wanted it back...
The 750 connects with my phone quicker than the 730 did. Good battery
life and recharges quickly. Seems to be sweat resistant. If I turn them
off without taking them off, I forget they are around my neck. Walking
into a brisk wind will cause some noise around the ear buds, like any
other ear bud I've used. For mowing and using power tools, I'll add a
pair of muffs just so I can lower the volume even more.

I keep looking at the 3M Bluetooth Worktunes muffs, but my current
solution gives me more options.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:57:34 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 8/13/16 6:42 PM, krw wrote:
> >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:04:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 8/13/16 9:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
> >>>>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
> >>>>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
> >>>>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
> >>>>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
> >>>>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
> >>>>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
> >>>>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
> >>>>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
> >>>>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
> >>>>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
> >>>>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
> >>>>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
> >>>>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
> >>>>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
> >>>>> into the in-ear speakers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
> >>>>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
> >>>>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
> >>>>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
> >>>>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
> >>>>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
> >>>>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
> >>>>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
> >>>>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
> >>>>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
> >>>>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
> >>>>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
> >>>>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
> >>>>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
> >>>>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
> >>>>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
> >>>> None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
> >>>> crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
> >>>> itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
> >>>> though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
> >>>> anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which model do you have?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> HBS-730. May not be available anymore due to improvements in newer
> >>> models.
> >>> If you don't like anything around your neck, they are companies now
> >>> making wireless buds that go in your ear with nothing else attached.
> >>
> >> Thanks. I was more worried about the "sports" version, which is sweat
> >> "proof" but from what I gather from the comments, grabs pretty tightly
> >> to the neck. I don't run anymore (but walk 10-12mi a day), bouncing
> >> isn't much of a problem but I don't think I'd like that at all. Maybe
> >> one of the other models would work better.
> >>
> >> I've seen the wireless ear buds but it's hard to know about any of
> >> this stuff without trying it, which has obvious problems. I'm
> >> concerned that I'm going to spend another hundred bucks (or more) and
> >> have something that doesn't work any better than what I have.
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, I definitely get that.
> >FWIW, mine don't "grab" the neck, they just sort of sit there.
> >Of course all necks are different... you might have a big ol' gorilla
> >neck for all I know. :-)
>
> Well, I'm certainly no pencil neck. ;-)
>
> I tried on the Bose active noise canceling over-the-ear phones.
> They're really nice but I'm not about to spend $350 on earphones to
> use while I'm working or at the gym.

FWIW, some years back I picked up a set of cheapie earbuds at a dollar
store. I've since gotten many "better" sets. They're all dead, the
cheapies are still working fine. Don't sound all that great but I don't
hear all that great anymore either.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:32:38 PM UTC-4, SBH wrote:
> > On 8/13/2016 10:31 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > > Don't sound all that great but I don't
> > > hear all that great anymore either.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Maybe it was from using those cheapie earbuds. ;)
>
> What?

Nahh, they aren't loud enough to do damage. Or maybe they are and I've
got so much damage already that I can't tell they're loud.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 2:38:34 PM UTC-4, Larry Kraus wrote:
> I've never been happy with any earbud for hearing protection, even the
> ones with multiple flanges, or foam surrounds. Just not enough
> protection, and I end up raising the music volume to overcome the noise.
> My LG HBS-750 lowers outside sounds enough that I don't hear my wife
> (sometimes all I need), but I like more protection from really loud
> noise. Mine is a discontinued model, but still available for about
> $50-60. Previously I used the HBS-730 until my wife wanted it back...
> The 750 connects with my phone quicker than the 730 did. Good battery
> life and recharges quickly. Seems to be sweat resistant. If I turn them
> off without taking them off, I forget they are around my neck. Walking
> into a brisk wind will cause some noise around the ear buds, like any
> other ear bud I've used. For mowing and using power tools, I'll add a
> pair of muffs just so I can lower the volume even more.
>
> I keep looking at the 3M Bluetooth Worktunes muffs, but my current
> solution gives me more options.

Yeah, I would like something over the ear, but just can't find it. I might go with the LG and just put my earphones over them.

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 12:32:38 PM UTC-4, SBH wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 10:31 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > Don't sound all that great but I don't
> > hear all that great anymore either.
> >
> >
>
> Maybe it was from using those cheapie earbuds. ;)

What?

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.

I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years. I've
bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't satisfactory. I
don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since they'll be pretty
well abused.

>Makes sanding almost tolerable.

On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>
> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
> they'll be pretty well abused.
>
>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>
>

Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.

There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
into the in-ear speakers.

This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
with a moderate amount of attenuation.

When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.

Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.

The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.

http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones


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On 8/12/16 11:17 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>
>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>
>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>
>>
>
> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>
> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
> into the in-ear speakers.
>
> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>
> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>
> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>
> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>
> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>
>

Oh crap! Yes, they are comfortable.
The are very light and you hardly feel them on you.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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--
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On 8/13/16 9:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>>
>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>>
>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>>
>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>> into the in-ear speakers.
>>
>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>>
>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>>
>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>>
>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>>
>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>
> Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
> None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
> crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
> itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
> though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
> anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.
>
> Which model do you have?
>

HBS-730. May not be available anymore due to improvements in newer
models.
If you don't like anything around your neck, they are companies now
making wireless buds that go in your ear with nothing else attached.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 8/13/16 6:42 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:04:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/13/16 9:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>>>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>>>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>>>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>>>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>>>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>>>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>>>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>>>>
>>>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>>>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>>>> into the in-ear speakers.
>>>>
>>>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>>>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>>>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>>>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>>>>
>>>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>>>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>>>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>>>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>>>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>>>>
>>>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>>>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>>>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>>>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>>>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>>>>
>>>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>>>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>>>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>>>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>>>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
>>> None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
>>> crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
>>> itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
>>> though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
>>> anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.
>>>
>>> Which model do you have?
>>>
>>
>> HBS-730. May not be available anymore due to improvements in newer
>> models.
>> If you don't like anything around your neck, they are companies now
>> making wireless buds that go in your ear with nothing else attached.
>
> Thanks. I was more worried about the "sports" version, which is sweat
> "proof" but from what I gather from the comments, grabs pretty tightly
> to the neck. I don't run anymore (but walk 10-12mi a day), bouncing
> isn't much of a problem but I don't think I'd like that at all. Maybe
> one of the other models would work better.
>
> I've seen the wireless ear buds but it's hard to know about any of
> this stuff without trying it, which has obvious problems. I'm
> concerned that I'm going to spend another hundred bucks (or more) and
> have something that doesn't work any better than what I have.
>

Yeah, I definitely get that.
FWIW, mine don't "grab" the neck, they just sort of sit there.
Of course all necks are different... you might have a big ol' gorilla
neck for all I know. :-)


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On 8/13/2016 10:31 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

> Don't sound all that great but I don't
> hear all that great anymore either.
>
>

Maybe it was from using those cheapie earbuds. ;)

On 8/16/16 8:57 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 2:38:34 PM UTC-4, Larry Kraus wrote:
>> I've never been happy with any earbud for hearing protection, even
>> the ones with multiple flanges, or foam surrounds. Just not enough
>> protection, and I end up raising the music volume to overcome the
>> noise. My LG HBS-750 lowers outside sounds enough that I don't hear
>> my wife (sometimes all I need), but I like more protection from
>> really loud noise. Mine is a discontinued model, but still
>> available for about $50-60. Previously I used the HBS-730 until my
>> wife wanted it back... The 750 connects with my phone quicker than
>> the 730 did. Good battery life and recharges quickly. Seems to be
>> sweat resistant. If I turn them off without taking them off, I
>> forget they are around my neck. Walking into a brisk wind will
>> cause some noise around the ear buds, like any other ear bud I've
>> used. For mowing and using power tools, I'll add a pair of muffs
>> just so I can lower the volume even more.
>>
>> I keep looking at the 3M Bluetooth Worktunes muffs, but my current
>> solution gives me more options.
>
> Yeah, I would like something over the ear, but just can't find it. I
> might go with the LG and just put my earphones over them.
>

That's what I do in the studio when I have an all-day session or
rehearsal.
My musicians' in-ear buds sound phenomenal and are fine for concert
length use. But for 6+ hours, I will use my buds and wear either ear
muffs over them or studio headphones over them. The headphones over the
in-ears give the added benefit of giving me some spacial low-end which
allows me to lower the overall volume to my ears but still have some
"oomph" getting to my head.

Another thing that allows this is what's called a "seat-thumper." It's
an actuator that is connected to a drummer's throne or think plywood
that a musician stands on, which vibrates to the pulses of the low-end
in the music. This replaces the giant bass speakers in wedge or
side-fill speakers that would allow a musician to "feel" the low-end in
the music, something that was lost with the advent of in-ear monitors.


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On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:04:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/13/16 9:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>>>
>>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>>>
>>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>>>
>>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>>> into the in-ear speakers.
>>>
>>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>>>
>>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>>>
>>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>>>
>>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>>>
>>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>>
>> Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
>> None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
>> crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
>> itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
>> though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
>> anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.
>>
>> Which model do you have?
>>
>
>HBS-730. May not be available anymore due to improvements in newer
>models.
>If you don't like anything around your neck, they are companies now
>making wireless buds that go in your ear with nothing else attached.

Thanks. I was more worried about the "sports" version, which is sweat
"proof" but from what I gather from the comments, grabs pretty tightly
to the neck. I don't run anymore (but walk 10-12mi a day), bouncing
isn't much of a problem but I don't think I'd like that at all. Maybe
one of the other models would work better.

I've seen the wireless ear buds but it's hard to know about any of
this stuff without trying it, which has obvious problems. I'm
concerned that I'm going to spend another hundred bucks (or more) and
have something that doesn't work any better than what I have.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:20:48 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/12/16 11:17 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>>
>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>>
>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>>
>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>> into the in-ear speakers.
>>
>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>>
>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>>
>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>>
>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>>
>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>>
>>
>
>Oh crap! Yes, they are comfortable.
>The are very light and you hardly feel them on you.

Super great information, Thanks!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:57:34 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/13/16 6:42 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:04:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/13/16 9:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:17:40 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/16 10:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jim <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like to listen to NPR in the shop and right now I have some BT
>>>>>>> earplugs that I put under my headphones (the ones for noise) to
>>>>>>> listen to. This is OK, but after a couple of hours becomes
>>>>>>> uncomfortable. I just can't seem to find a noise cancelling BT
>>>>>>> enabled headset that is suitable. I'm not interested in audiophile
>>>>>>> quality as I never really listen to music, just NPR. I'm more
>>>>>>> interested in comfort and hearing protection then audio quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking for a pair for mowing, for a couple of years.
>>>>>> I've bought a few pairs from Amazon but they really aren't
>>>>>> satisfactory. I don't want to spend a *log* of money on them, since
>>>>>> they'll be pretty well abused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes sanding almost tolerable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind I'm a drummer in my other life, so I might have a much
>>>>> higher bar when it comes to hearing protection than the average
>>>>> woodworker. The majority of the time I'm playing music, I'm either
>>>>> wearing hearing protection, or earbuds/headphones that offer hearing
>>>>> protection along with playing audio for my ears to hear.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are times I actually "unplug" my earbuds a bit so I can hear some
>>>>> of the ambient sounds of my drums while still hearing the music coming
>>>>> into the in-ear speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is similar to what I want to hear when woodworking. I actually
>>>>> want to hear a bit of the powertool when woodworking. I want to hear if
>>>>> it's binding or bogging down or other things. This can be accomplished
>>>>> with a moderate amount of attenuation.
>>>>>
>>>>> When drumming in a band setting, I'm under a constant barrage of way
>>>>> over 100dB for extended periods of time. This is when I really need
>>>>> 32dB+ of attenuation... or even more, to keep from doing serious hearing
>>>>> damage. After more than 3 decades of drumming, I still have excellent
>>>>> hearing. I take hearing protection seriously.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having written all that, I bought some LG bluetooth earbuds for doing
>>>>> things like mowing the lawn and long bouts with the power sander. They
>>>>> have really good sound and *sufficient* attenuation for mowing and
>>>>> woodworking. You don't really need a lot of attenuation when using a
>>>>> power sander or planer, etc. 15-20dB is plenty.
>>>>>
>>>>> The LG earbuds use the rubber cup type "plunger" that fits into the ear
>>>>> canal and it comes in a few different sizes to fit your ear. In my
>>>>> opinion (which I hope I shown to be based on plenty of experience in
>>>>> this area) they have enough attenuation to be used in woodworking and
>>>>> mowing. They also happen to sound pretty good.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.lg.com/us/bluetooth-headsets-headphones
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Mike. I've tried over-the-ear, on-the-ear, and (wired) buds.
>>>> None of them has enough isolation for my tastes. In fact, I have to
>>>> crank up the volume to 11 to hear anything (which isn't good in
>>>> itself), and still miss a lot. None of these were very expensive,
>>>> though. I may try a pair of these, though I really don't like
>>>> anything around my neck. I need something better than what I have.
>>>>
>>>> Which model do you have?
>>>>
>>>
>>> HBS-730. May not be available anymore due to improvements in newer
>>> models.
>>> If you don't like anything around your neck, they are companies now
>>> making wireless buds that go in your ear with nothing else attached.
>>
>> Thanks. I was more worried about the "sports" version, which is sweat
>> "proof" but from what I gather from the comments, grabs pretty tightly
>> to the neck. I don't run anymore (but walk 10-12mi a day), bouncing
>> isn't much of a problem but I don't think I'd like that at all. Maybe
>> one of the other models would work better.
>>
>> I've seen the wireless ear buds but it's hard to know about any of
>> this stuff without trying it, which has obvious problems. I'm
>> concerned that I'm going to spend another hundred bucks (or more) and
>> have something that doesn't work any better than what I have.
>>
>
>Yeah, I definitely get that.
>FWIW, mine don't "grab" the neck, they just sort of sit there.
>Of course all necks are different... you might have a big ol' gorilla
>neck for all I know. :-)

Well, I'm certainly no pencil neck. ;-)

I tried on the Bose active noise canceling over-the-ear phones.
They're really nice but I'm not about to spend $350 on earphones to
use while I'm working or at the gym.