So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes for
shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch first and
then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer said
100 degrees.
This particular project has 4 cabinets which all have my usual front and
back face frames. Each cabinet has a left and right half so that there
is a center cabinet panel running from top to bottom and doubling the
amount of shelf pin holes. The 384 were just for the upper cabinets
that I am working on now.
Each of the upper cabinets have 5 plywood panels to form the carcass,
and two face frames. Each rail and stile in both face frames have
groves to receive the carcass panels, so that is a total of 10 groves
that have to work together to receive the panels. On top of that the
carcass panels lock into each other with 6 dado's. All groves are cut
on each of the face frame rails and stiles before the face frame
assembly. Location of the center stile and top and bottom rails is
critical so that their dados align with the ones on the plywood panels.
Soooo, on all X,Y,Z axis's of the assembly there are 16 dados and groves
that have to fit "perfectly". As all of us progress with our
woodworking skills we learn to build things so that we insure that
things come out right and or have a way to hide imperfection behind
moldings. In this case there is no hiding a F-up. And you basically
don't know if it will all fit together until all cuts are made and the
face frames are assembled. Front and back face frame parts are not
interchangeable. This always has my utmost attention until after the
dry fit. Last night the dry fit went perfectly.
Glue up this morning was a bit of another matter altogether. It was a
chilly 95 degrees so both fans were blowing and naturally this tends to
make the exposed glue set up more quickly. While not normally a big
issue, parts of the assembly start to "stick" much sooner so a slight
adjustment to fit pieces in is next to impossible. And all of the gets
glued up all at once. Every thing goes fine until the last plywood
panel has to go in and the top panel is literally 1/32" out of alignment.
Using 3 clamps to persuade a panel to move 1/32" after sitting in a 48"
long glued groove requires "attention". But move, it did, and
everything looks fine. Last step attach the front face frame, and with
every thing perfectly aligned it settles right in place with no issues.
The final glue up happens in 2 steps. The back face frame lays raised,
face down, on a work surface, All groves are glued and then the dados
in the 5 panels are glued and set into the groves in the face frame.
Last step is to glue all the groves in the front face frame and fit on
top of the assembly and clamp.
The whole glue up involves 372" of glued groves and dados. No time to
stop and think....
The cabinet is a half inch shy of being 4' x 4' and 17" deep.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/20524647301/in/dateposted-public/
And a ton of clamps.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/20509424642/in/dateposted-public/
Dan Coby <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/12/2015 4:59 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 8/12/2015 6:09 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Leon" wrote:
>>>
>>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>>> said 100 degrees.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> If you were working with epoxy, you would start about 05:00 AM,
>>> stop about 09:30 AM, 10:00 am latest and resume after 04:00 PM,
>>> working until last light.
>>>
>>> The rest of the day is spent doing non heat sensitive tasks, like
>>> drinking beer <G>.
>>>
>>> But at 100 F, TiteBond is going top behave very much like epoxy.
>>
>> I really did not notice a difference with TBIII at 70 or 100. Either
>> way with wind blowing on the glue it skims over sooner. And I cant wait
>> until the temp drops much. The garage is 95 all night long. ;~(
>
> I suspect that the temperature was also a major contributing factor to
> the collapse of your saw horse.
>
> Dan
That very well could be true. Closer inspection revealed that both legs
broke where the center fold down panel attached.
"Leon" wrote:
> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
> said 100 degrees.
------------------------------------------------------------
If you were working with epoxy, you would start about 05:00 AM,
stop about 09:30 AM, 10:00 am latest and resume after 04:00 PM,
working until last light.
The rest of the day is spent doing non heat sensitive tasks, like
drinking beer <G>.
But at 100 F, TiteBond is going top behave very much like epoxy.
Lew
Dan Coby <[email protected]> wrote in news:St2dnbMaZb_asFHInZ2dnUU7-T-
[email protected]:
>
> I suspect that the temperature was also a major contributing factor to
> the collapse of your saw horse.
>
> Dan
>
You can lead a saw horse to water, but you can't make it drink!
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Leon" wrote:
> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
> said 100 degrees.
----------------------------------------------------------
While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
103F,
we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
No matter how you cut it, this weather sure beats 0F and
6 ft of "partly cloudy" that I left.
Lew
.
On 08/14/2015 08:50 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/14/2015 5:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Leon" wrote:
>>
>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>> said 100 degrees.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
>> 103F,
>> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
>
> It was an unseasonal 106 on that day.
>>
>> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
>
> I was on both counts.
>
>
>
>
>
117 F in Phoenix...
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On 08/15/2015 09:15 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/15/2015 6:30 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 08/14/2015 08:50 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 8/14/2015 5:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> "Leon" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>>>> said 100 degrees.
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
>>>> 103F,
>>>> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
>>>
>>> It was an unseasonal 106 on that day.
>>>>
>>>> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
>>>
>>> I was on both counts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 117 F in Phoenix...
>>
>>
> Yeah but that is a,,,,,, ;~) different kind of heat. LOL
> We were on vacation in Moab, middle of summer at 1:00pm. We were
> walking around in the streets like we had good sense. I don't recall
> the temperature but the local shop owners all complained about the heat
> and asked how we were dealing with it. We said, at home we are not
> quite this hot, probably 10 degrees cooler, but with 90% humidity.
> When your sweat just clings to you and does not evaporate it is miserable.
>
Yahbut, at 117 and 10% humidity, your face cracks and falls on the
sidewalk :-(
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
"Lew Hodgett" previously wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------
> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
> 103F,
> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
>
> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
>
> No matter how you cut it, this weather sure beats 0F and
> 6 ft of "partly cloudy" that I left.
----------------------------------------------
Today we earned our chops. 101F outside our window at 3:00 PM.
Missed the RH #, but an excessive heat warning was posted.
Translation: The senior centers are packed today to take
advantage of the AC.
Good thing this is the weekend and most businesses are not working.
Probably won't get any brown out notices.
Lew
On 8/14/2015 5:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>> said 100 degrees.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
> 103F,
> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
It was an unseasonal 106 on that day.
>
> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
I was on both counts.
On 8/12/2015 6:09 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>> said 100 degrees.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> If you were working with epoxy, you would start about 05:00 AM,
> stop about 09:30 AM, 10:00 am latest and resume after 04:00 PM,
> working until last light.
>
> The rest of the day is spent doing non heat sensitive tasks, like
> drinking beer <G>.
>
> But at 100 F, TiteBond is going top behave very much like epoxy.
I really did not notice a difference with TBIII at 70 or 100. Either
way with wind blowing on the glue it skims over sooner. And I cant wait
until the temp drops much. The garage is 95 all night long. ;~(
>
>
> Lew
>
>
On 8/12/2015 4:59 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/12/2015 6:09 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Leon" wrote:
>>
>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>> said 100 degrees.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> If you were working with epoxy, you would start about 05:00 AM,
>> stop about 09:30 AM, 10:00 am latest and resume after 04:00 PM,
>> working until last light.
>>
>> The rest of the day is spent doing non heat sensitive tasks, like
>> drinking beer <G>.
>>
>> But at 100 F, TiteBond is going top behave very much like epoxy.
>
> I really did not notice a difference with TBIII at 70 or 100. Either
> way with wind blowing on the glue it skims over sooner. And I cant wait
> until the temp drops much. The garage is 95 all night long. ;~(
I suspect that the temperature was also a major contributing factor to
the collapse of your saw horse.
Dan
On 8/15/2015 3:31 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 08/15/2015 09:15 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 8/15/2015 6:30 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>> On 08/14/2015 08:50 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 8/14/2015 5:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>>> "Leon" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>>>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>>>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>>>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>>>>> said 100 degrees.
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
>>>>> 103F,
>>>>> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
>>>>
>>>> It was an unseasonal 106 on that day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
>>>>
>>>> I was on both counts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 117 F in Phoenix...
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah but that is a,,,,,, ;~) different kind of heat. LOL
>> We were on vacation in Moab, middle of summer at 1:00pm. We were
>> walking around in the streets like we had good sense. I don't recall
>> the temperature but the local shop owners all complained about the heat
>> and asked how we were dealing with it. We said, at home we are not
>> quite this hot, probably 10 degrees cooler, but with 90% humidity.
>> When your sweat just clings to you and does not evaporate it is
>> miserable.
>>
> Yahbut, at 117 and 10% humidity, your face cracks and falls on the
> sidewalk :-(
>
>
Shake and bake! ;~)
I know. My yard does fine when watered up to 101, 102. Past that, even
with rain the night before, and it starts to shrivel.
On 8/15/2015 6:30 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 08/14/2015 08:50 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 8/14/2015 5:50 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Leon" wrote:
>>>
>>>> So yesterday I decided to sand my face 4 frames and drill 384 holes
>>>> for shelf pins. Not wanting to get started too early I ate lunch
>>>> first and then spent from 12:00 to 4:00 pm in the heat doing that.
>>>> I quit for the afternoon and noticed the digital garage thermometer
>>>> said 100 degrees.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> While lots of places here in SoCal are reporting temps approaching
>>> 103F,
>>> we are just wimps at 99F and 20% RH.
>>
>> It was an unseasonal 106 on that day.
>>>
>>> Time to drink water and stay in the shade.
>>
>> I was on both counts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 117 F in Phoenix...
>
>
Yeah but that is a,,,,,, ;~) different kind of heat. LOL
We were on vacation in Moab, middle of summer at 1:00pm. We were
walking around in the streets like we had good sense. I don't recall
the temperature but the local shop owners all complained about the heat
and asked how we were dealing with it. We said, at home we are not
quite this hot, probably 10 degrees cooler, but with 90% humidity.
When your sweat just clings to you and does not evaporate it is miserable.