Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
back-breaking.
Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
closed.
There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
The horror, the horror...
On Dec 15, 9:51=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 15, 9:02=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> > >wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> > >> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people =
out
> > >> >of there real soon.
>
> > >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> > >> That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>
> > >> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you wer=
e
> > >> telling us about?
>
> > >Ha! =A0Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
> > >It was a 25-year aberration.
>
> > >and
>
> > >What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
> > >further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
>
> > Globular Swarming is the culprit, I'll bet! =A0 AGWK Kills!
>
> > --
> > Know how to listen, and you will
> > profit even from those who talk badly.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Plutarch
>
> some pics:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
BTW.. they mention London Line..... my shop is on London Line but
closer to a built up area so those drifts were less dangerous.
The banana crop is likely farked this year.
On Dec 15, 9:02=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> >> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people ou=
t
> >> >of there real soon.
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> >> That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>
> >> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
> >> telling us about?
>
> >Ha! =A0Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
> >It was a 25-year aberration.
>
> >and
>
> >What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
> >further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
>
> Globular Swarming is the culprit, I'll bet! =A0 AGWK Kills!
>
> --
> Know how to listen, and you will
> profit even from those who talk badly.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Plutarch
some pics:
http://tinyurl.com/23twona
Robatoy wrote:
>
> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow. One accident up
> the road and the roads were blocked and people had nowhere to go.
> But of COURSE your winters are bigger better...*shrugs*
Maybe I missed the zero visibility part. Our winters might just be bigger
and better - or they might be the same. They are for sure, among the worst
in the lower 48. I live on the Tug Hill plateau and we get snow. Lots of
zero visibility storms. The pictures did not depict zero visibility - they
depicted a small amount of wind blown snow. We have been known to get 9
feet of snow in a little over 24 hours. That makes for zero visibility. We
lived through it. The press did have a field day with it, but that was the
sensationalism that they wanted to create to sell papers and newstime. More
people from outside the area talked about it than did the people who live in
the affected areas.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 15, 3:44=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
> > On 12/15/10 10:41 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >>> some pics:
>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> >> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the tank
> >> was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality would
> >> be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
> >> activity. Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robato=
y?
> >> Why
> >> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>
> > No reports of death, and everyone appears to be accounted for, or no
> > reports of missing persons, at least so far. =A0Anyone that goes too fa=
r
> > in a vehicle outside of a major city in Canada, who doesn't have a
> > first aid kit, some food, and some warm clothes is a moron IMHO.
>
> Oh, come on... that is a low level winter snowfall. =A0Let's not make thi=
s
> stuff into some sort of emergency situation that it is not.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
I suppose you'd be okay to be stuck in your car for 24 hr+ because you
can't get your doors open and you're about to run out of fuel/heat...
I suppose you'd kick out your windshield and beat Old Man Winter to a
pulp, with your bare hands, eh?
Robatoy wrote:
>
> Police used over a dozen towing companies, each with their own pounds,
> and there's a whole lot of people wandering aimlessly along these city
> streets wondering: "where's my car....where's my car..where my CAR??"
Ok - so, idiots exist everywhere. Where's my car? What does that really
mean? It's not like the place got burried under some unprecendented amount
of snow. Hell - it wasn't even that much. Tell the idiots to pay attention
to where they park.
>
> City fathers (and mothers) are busy compiling a list. At least 3
> people have tried to lay claim on the same Cayenne Turbo...LOL (okay,
> I made that up...)
> If anybody can lose 300 cars, we can.
Nah - the world is getting dumber and dumber. It's spreading across the
globe...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:51:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 15, 7:36 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow.
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> 2,500 miles west here in California, it's either sand storms or fog.
>>
>> Can't remember all the stats, but a few years ago on I-5 near
>> Bakersfield, the visibility went to instant ZERO and something like
>> 900-1,000 cars/trucks were involved in ONE gigantic pile up.
>>
>> As this is being typed, L/A is socked in and there is an estimated
>> 3,000 mile long cloud bank parked in the Pacific, but headed our way.
>>
>> Should be an interesting week ahead.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>> Lew
>
> I recall driving down I-75 in Florida and suddenly finding myself with
> zero visibility due to smoke crawling across the highway from a grass/
> brush fire. That was an 'I'm fucked' moment as I instantly became
> aware that if I hit the brakes, I'd get nailed from behind, and I was
> due to hit some schmo who had already hit his brakes ahead of me. I
> had the window down a bit and I could hear the carnage of smashing
> cars nearby. As quickly as I drove into it, I drove out of it just to
> see a small motor home come flying across the median. No idea where he
> came from or where he went. Total value of the deal? Maybe 30
> seconds.. if that long... not even long enough to crap my drawers.
> Instant blindness at 70 MPH is very scary.
I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
I was never comfortable setting the cruise much over a 100 mph on I-75.
basilisk
On Dec 14, 4:46=A0am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> > Ah the memories.
>
> > 10F above and a foot of partly cloudy on the ground with more to come
> > thanks to 20 knot winds.
>
> > That's my Ohio home town's weather the past couple of days.
>
> > Meanwhile here in the land of fruits and nuts, it was 90F yesterday
> > but struggled to only make it to 85F outside my window today.
>
> > Not to worry, rain and temps around 60F by the weekend.
>
> > Still beats being up to your armpits in partly cloudy.
>
> > Lew
>
> The local weather forecast is calling for up to an additional 2' of snow
> by Wednesday morning. =A0This is on top of the 3' - 4' we received last
> week. The heaviest snow is predicted for an area a few miles northeast
> of me but you know how unperdicable lake effect bands are.
>
> NOAA weather discussion for the Buffalo area:
>
> http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=3DNWS&issuedby=3DBUF&product=
...
That's why I live in the Yukon. We have a much better climate and the
snow is usually the light fluffy kind; and never more that 3-4 inches
at once.
Luigi
FrozenNorth wrote:
>
> Maybe there is an unclaimed truck full of beer and bacon.
>
Sure - it'd probably be that Canadian Bacon crap...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 15, 3:48=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
>
> > Maybe there is an unclaimed truck full of beer and bacon.
>
> Sure - it'd probably be that Canadian Bacon crap...
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
*I* don't like 'Canadian' bacon either.... after all, WFT is the fat
and smoke, eh?
"Robatoy" wrote:
> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
> back-breaking.
> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
> closed.
>
> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just
> like
> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> The horror, the horror...
-----------------------------------------
Ah the memories.
10F above and a foot of partly cloudy on the ground with more to come
thanks to 20 knot winds.
That's my Ohio home town's weather the past couple of days.
Meanwhile here in the land of fruits and nuts, it was 90F yesterday
but struggled to only make it to 85F outside my window today.
Not to worry, rain and temps around 60F by the weekend.
Still beats being up to your armpits in partly cloudy.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Ah the memories.
>
> 10F above and a foot of partly cloudy on the ground with more to come
> thanks to 20 knot winds.
>
> That's my Ohio home town's weather the past couple of days.
>
> Meanwhile here in the land of fruits and nuts, it was 90F yesterday
> but struggled to only make it to 85F outside my window today.
>
> Not to worry, rain and temps around 60F by the weekend.
>
> Still beats being up to your armpits in partly cloudy.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
The local weather forecast is calling for up to an additional 2' of snow
by Wednesday morning. This is on top of the 3' - 4' we received last
week. The heaviest snow is predicted for an area a few miles northeast
of me but you know how unperdicable lake effect bands are.
NOAA weather discussion for the Buffalo area:
http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BUF&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
> of there real soon.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
You Canadians are going soft. In the old days, they would have just built
an igloo and burned seal blubber to stay warm. :)
Incidents like this are a perfect argument for carrying some basic emergency
supplies in your vehicle. Top of the list would be some warm clothing and a
sleeping bag. Also some emergency rations of some kind.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> some pics:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the tank was
low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality would be very
possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk activity.
Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why aren't
you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>
>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>
>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>>
>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>>
>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>
>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and western
Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
driving east.
"Robatoy" wrote:
>People are going to die around here unless we can get those people
>out
>of there real soon.
some pics:
http://tinyurl.com/23twona
-----------------------------------
The link below will take you to WKYC, a station in Cleveland showing
pics of the
Cleveland light house at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river on Lake Erie.
It was my home port for several years.
Lew
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=164226&catid=91
"Robatoy" wrote:
> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people
> >out
> >of there real soon.
>
> some pics:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> -----------------------------------
> The link below will take you to WKYC, a station in Cleveland showing
> pics of the
> Cleveland light house at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river on Lake
> Erie.
>
> It was my home port for several years.
>
> Lew
>
> http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=164226&catid=91
-------------------------------------
That has got to be the coolest thing ever! Right out of a Tim Burton
movie.
------------------------------------------
That is the first time I can remember the Cleveland light house being
ice covered; however, it is quite common for a couple of light houses
on Lake Superior.
At the moment can't remember which ones.
Lew
"Robatoy" wrote:
> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow.
---------------------------------
2,500 miles west here in California, it's either sand storms or fog.
Can't remember all the stats, but a few years ago on I-5 near
Bakersfield, the visibility went to instant ZERO and something like
900-1,000 cars/trucks were involved in ONE gigantic pile up.
As this is being typed, L/A is socked in and there is an estimated
3,000 mile long cloud bank parked in the Pacific, but headed our way.
Should be an interesting week ahead.
Lew
Lew
"Robatoy" wrote:
> -------------------------------------
> That has got to be the coolest thing ever! Right out of a Tim Burton
> movie.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> That is the first time I can remember the Cleveland light house
> being
> ice covered; however, it is quite common for a couple of light
> houses
> on Lake Superior.
>
> At the moment can't remember which ones.
>
> Lew
I wish I had a high-res shot of that... absolutely freaky and creepy
and wonderful. Perfect for a fish & chip joint I'm courting for a sign
commission.
------------------------------
I filed that one in my memory bank.
As the years progress, the ice on the lighthouse will approach the
height of the Terminal Tower as the saga of the winter of 10-11 gets
retold from the comfort of a SoCal beach.
Lew
On Dec 15, 3:43=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> some pics:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> > Looks like a real serious situation. =A0I hope nobody died. =A0If the
> > tank was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality
> > would be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
> > activity.
> > Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? =A0Why
> > aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? =A0;-)
>
> For those of us that live in snow country - what is so alarming about the=
se
> pictures? =A0This is by no means a big snow issue. =A0Hell - normal winte=
r
> events often look worse than this. =A0Leave it to the media...
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow. One accident up
the road and the roads were blocked and people had nowhere to go.
But of COURSE your winters are bigger better...*shrugs*
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:33:20 -0600, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:18:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>>>>
>>>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>>>
>>>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
>>
>>I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and western
>>Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
>>driving east.
>
>Dumbshit, I live in Eastern Alabama. To get to Florida you do *not* drive
>East from central Alabama.
Backpedaling a little, I suppose if you consider Birmingham to be "Central",
then it might be faster to go through Atlanta, but that's still a polar route.
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:39:54 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:33:20 -0600, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:18:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>>>>
>>>>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
>>>
>>>I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and western
>>>Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
>>>driving east.
>>
>>Dumbshit, I live in Eastern Alabama. To get to Florida you do *not* drive
>>East from central Alabama.
>
> Backpedaling a little, I suppose if you consider Birmingham to be "Central",
> then it might be faster to go through Atlanta, but that's still a polar route.
To clarify a bit, I actually live in west central al and would take
US 82 to Montgomery, 231 to Dothan, 84 to 27, 27 to Tallahassee, I-10
over to I-75, I-75 to OBT and OBT to Orlando.
It is about 540 miles and I could sometimes make the trip in under 7 hours,
sometimes it would take as much as 11 hours depending on weather and
traffic.
As a sidenote- I once checked on going to Orlando from Tuscaloosa on
Amtrack, cost more than flying and you have to go through DC. By
train it was going to take 23 hours. :(
basilisk
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:31:06 -0800 (PST), Luigi Zanasi
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 15, 5:57 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:56:39 -0800 (PST), Luigi Zanasi
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 4:46 am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> NOAA weather discussion for the Buffalo area:
>>
>> >>http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BUF&product...
>>
>> >That's why I live in the Yukon. We have a much better climate and the
>> >snow is usually the light fluffy kind; and never more that 3-4 inches
>> >at once.
>>
>> So, WeeGee, are you going to be telling us of -your- Banana Belt
>> climate now, too? <snort>
>
>Well, ackshally, now that you mention it, Whitehorse is in the
>Yukon's banana belt. It's in Wikipedia, so it's gotta be true.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_belt
Proof that any marketing scheme, no matter how assinine, can be sold
so someone, somewhere, for a lotta money. Visit beautiful downtown
tropical Yellasnow(tmLJ), buy a $5 home for just $759k! Located right
in the middle of Canada's Banana Belt.
>Also, we are one of Canada's cities with the most comfortable climate.
>Yup, up there with Vancouver & Victoria despite our cold, according to
>Environment Canada.
Bright, always-sunny Vancouver, BC? OhhhhhhhhhK.
I guess that the drier winds are a lot more comfy than humid, heavy
snows, so I hope you enjoy it. I'll pass, thanks. <shudder>
LJ, who doesn't do "minus" weather aTall.
P.S: Is it true that many gays move to banana belts for the obvious
reason? <w,w,n,n, kwim?>
--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes
On Dec 14, 1:18=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
[snipped for effect]
>
> Meanwhile here in the land of fruits and nuts, it was 90F yesterday
> but struggled to only make it to 85F outside my window today.
>
You said a mouthful there, Lew...and I don't mean that in a BAD way,
you unnerstannn. <G>
Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 15, 5:23 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow. One accident
>>> up the road and the roads were blocked and people had nowhere to go.
>>> But of COURSE your winters are bigger better...*shrugs*
>>
>> Maybe I missed the zero visibility part. Our winters might just be
>> bigger and better - or they might be the same. They are for sure,
>> among the worst in the lower 48. I live on the Tug Hill plateau and
>> we get snow. Lots of zero visibility storms. The pictures did not
>> depict zero visibility - they depicted a small amount of wind blown
>> snow. We have been known to get 9 feet of snow in a little over 24
>> hours. That makes for zero visibility. We lived through it. The
>> press did have a field day with it, but that was the sensationalism
>> that they wanted to create to sell papers and newstime. More people
>> from outside the area talked about it than did the people who live
>> in the affected areas.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> The piccies were next day. The entire night was pure terror to the
> uninitiated.
I get that. My point by the way, was not to be argumentative, nor to
diminish the effect on people up there. Like I said - I might have missed
something, but looking at the aftermath, it just did not make sence to me
how people could have been so hyper about what the pictures showed.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 12/15/10 10:41 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> some pics:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>>
>> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the tank
>> was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality would
>> be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
>> activity. Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy?
>> Why
>> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>>
> No reports of death, and everyone appears to be accounted for, or no
> reports of missing persons, at least so far. Anyone that goes too far
> in a vehicle outside of a major city in Canada, who doesn't have a
> first aid kit, some food, and some warm clothes is a moron IMHO.
Oh, come on... that is a low level winter snowfall. Let's not make this
stuff into some sort of emergency situation that it is not.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 15, 7:36=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> > ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow.
>
> ---------------------------------
> 2,500 miles west here in California, it's either sand storms or fog.
>
> Can't remember all the stats, but a few years ago on I-5 near
> Bakersfield, the visibility went to instant ZERO and something like
> 900-1,000 cars/trucks were involved in ONE gigantic pile up.
>
> As this is being typed, L/A is socked in and there is an estimated
> 3,000 mile long cloud bank parked in the Pacific, but headed our way.
>
> Should be an interesting week ahead.
>
> Lew
>
> Lew
I recall driving down I-75 in Florida and suddenly finding myself with
zero visibility due to smoke crawling across the highway from a grass/
brush fire. That was an 'I'm fucked' moment as I instantly became
aware that if I hit the brakes, I'd get nailed from behind, and I was
due to hit some schmo who had already hit his brakes ahead of me. I
had the window down a bit and I could hear the carnage of smashing
cars nearby. As quickly as I drove into it, I drove out of it just to
see a small motor home come flying across the median. No idea where he
came from or where he went. Total value of the deal? Maybe 30
seconds.. if that long... not even long enough to crap my drawers.
Instant blindness at 70 MPH is very scary.
Robatoy wrote:
>
> I suppose you'd be okay to be stuck in your car for 24 hr+ because you
> can't get your doors open and you're about to run out of fuel/heat...
> I suppose you'd kick out your windshield and beat Old Man Winter to a
> pulp, with your bare hands, eh?
Every time there is a significant storm there are stories about people stuck
in their cars. When we get snow we see the idiots who pull over as if they
are paralyzed. Yet - life goes on for most people. How could they not get
their doors open or run out of fuel from that storm? If they ran out of
fuel, it had nothing at all to do with that storm. No - I wouldn't kick out
my windshield - I'd do what I do every winter in Central NY - I'd drive
through it and get off the road as soom as I could - and into my plow truck.
Not to be argumentative, but we live with this stuff every year - the
pictures and the news reports are classic sensationalism. These storms do
not suddenly swoop down and burry people like a volcano.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 15, 5:57=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:56:39 -0800 (PST), Luigi Zanasi
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 4:46 am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> NOAA weather discussion for the Buffalo area:
>
> >>http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=3DNWS&issuedby=3DBUF&produ=
ct...
>
> >That's why I live in the Yukon. We have a much better climate and the
> >snow is usually the light fluffy kind; and never more that 3-4 inches
> >at once.
>
> So, WeeGee, are you going to be telling us of -your- Banana Belt
> climate now, too? =A0<snort>
Well, ackshally, now that you mention it, Whitehorse is in the
Yukon's banana belt. It's in Wikipedia, so it's gotta be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_belt
Also, we are one of Canada's cities with the most comfortable climate.
Yup, up there with Vancouver & Victoria despite our cold, according to
Environment Canada.
Luigi
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> some pics:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the
> tank was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality
> would be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
> activity.
> Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why
> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
For those of us that live in snow country - what is so alarming about these
pictures? This is by no means a big snow issue. Hell - normal winter
events often look worse than this. Leave it to the media...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 20, 8:28=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]=
zzzzzzzz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:18:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrot=
e:
>
> >>In article <[email protected]>,
> > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wr=
ote:
>
> >>>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> =
wrote:
>
> >>>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
> >>>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
> >>>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>
> >>>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? =A0Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? =
=A0;-)
>
> >>>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>
> >>>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! =A0(I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
>
> >>I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and w=
estern
> >>Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
> >>driving east.
>
> >Dumbshit, I live in Eastern Alabama. =A0To get to Florida you do *not* d=
rive
> >East from central Alabama.
>
> Learn to read, dumbass. I didn't say you get to Florida by driving east f=
rom
> Alabama. I said you get to *I-75* by driving east from Alabama.
Bet you're a blast at parties, Doug. Do you ever show up here without
arguing about something banal?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:18:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>>>
>>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>>>
>>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>>
>>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
>
>I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and western
>Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
>driving east.
Dumbshit, I live in Eastern Alabama. To get to Florida you do *not* drive
East from central Alabama.
In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 03:18:25 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:45:46 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>>>>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>>>>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>>>>>
>>>>>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
>>>
>>>Wwwooooooossssshhhhh! (I-75 isn't in Alabama, either).
>>
>>I know that; evidently *you* don't know that I-75 *is* in Georgia and western
>>Florida, though, and it's easy enough to reach *from* Alabama by simply
>>driving east.
>
>Dumbshit, I live in Eastern Alabama. To get to Florida you do *not* drive
>East from central Alabama.
Learn to read, dumbass. I didn't say you get to Florida by driving east from
Alabama. I said you get to *I-75* by driving east from Alabama.
On Dec 14, 11:43=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 12/14/10 9:22 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
> >>> back-breaking.
> >>> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
> >>> closed.
>
> >>> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just lik=
e
> >>> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> >>> The horror, the horror...
>
> >> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
> >> cold out.
>
> > People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
> > of there real soon.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> I spoke too soon, white fluffy shit is falling from the sky.
>
> --
> Froz...
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
People initially didn't stop because of the amount of snow, they were
simply blinded by 60-70 Kph winds..THEN they got snowed in. You get a
wind, blowing from the North along the length of a still warmish lake
and those winds are going to bring shit... LOTS of it.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 15, 3:48 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe there is an unclaimed truck full of beer and bacon.
>>
>> Sure - it'd probably be that Canadian Bacon crap...
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> *I* don't like 'Canadian' bacon either.... after all, WFT is the fat
> and smoke, eh?
Preach it, brotha!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Dec 15, 1:51=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people
> >out
> >of there real soon.
>
> some pics:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> -----------------------------------
> The link below will take you to WKYC, a station in Cleveland showing
> pics of the
> Cleveland light house at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river on Lake Erie.
>
> It was my home port for several years.
>
> Lew
>
> http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=3D164226&catid=3D91
That has got to be the coolest thing ever! Right out of a Tim Burton
movie.
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> People are going to die around here unless we can get those people
>> out of there real soon.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
> You Canadians are going soft. In the old days, they would have just
> built an igloo and burned seal blubber to stay warm. :)
>
> Incidents like this are a perfect argument for carrying some basic
> emergency supplies in your vehicle. Top of the list would be some
> warm clothing and a sleeping bag. Also some emergency rations of some
> kind.
It reminded me of a storm in NY City that left cars stranded on the Grand
Central Pkwy and LIE, maybe 1979 or so. We went cross country skiing on
the GCP the next day (well, the service road)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote in news:2451edf8-1024-4998-
[email protected]:
> That's why I live in the Yukon. We have a much better climate and the
> snow is usually the light fluffy kind; and never more that 3-4 inches
> at once.
>
> Luigi
You pay for that by lack of light in the winter. (And too much in summer
<grin>).
And you cheat by flying to Middle or South America whenever it suits you.
Hi Luigi!!!
<VBG>
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Dec 15, 7:23=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> > >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people
> > >out
> > >of there real soon.
>
> > some pics:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> > -----------------------------------
> > The link below will take you to WKYC, a station in Cleveland showing
> > pics of the
> > Cleveland light house at the mouth of the Cuyahoga river on Lake
> > Erie.
>
> > It was my home port for several years.
>
> > Lew
>
> >http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=3D164226&catid=3D91
>
> -------------------------------------
> That has got to be the coolest thing ever! Right out of a Tim Burton
> movie.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> That is the first time I can remember the Cleveland light house being
> ice covered; however, it is quite common for a couple of light houses
> on Lake Superior.
>
> At the moment can't remember which ones.
>
> Lew
I wish I had a high-res shot of that... absolutely freaky and creepy
and wonderful. Perfect for a fish & chip joint I'm courting for a sign
commission.
On Dec 15, 1:21=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 12/15/10 1:05 PM, dpb wrote:> FrozenNorth wrote:
> > ...
>
> >> ... Anyone that goes too far in a vehicle outside of a major city in
> >> Canada, who doesn't have a first aid kit, some food, and some warm
> >> clothes is a moron IMHO.
>
> > Doesn't make any difference about Canada or not; anywhere there's winte=
r
> > weather and particularly wind is susceptible to the same problems.
> > Virtually every year there will be those who do such stupidity around
> > here as well... :(
>
> I didn't mean to imply that the only morons are Canadian. =A0:-)
>
> --
> Froz...
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Police used over a dozen towing companies, each with their own pounds,
and there's a whole lot of people wandering aimlessly along these city
streets wondering: "where's my car....where's my car..where my CAR??"
City fathers (and mothers) are busy compiling a list. At least 3
people have tried to lay claim on the same Cayenne Turbo...LOL (okay,
I made that up...)
If anybody can lose 300 cars, we can.
On Dec 14, 11:11=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 7:24=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> > Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
> >> > back-breaking.
> >> > Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
> >> > closed.
>
> >> > There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just li=
ke
> >> > this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> >> > The horror, the horror...
>
> >> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
> >> cold out.
>
> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
> >of there real soon.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> That's scary stuff, Toy. =A0I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>
> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
> telling us about?
>
Ha! Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
It was a 25-year aberration.
and
What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:23:05 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your
>> weather... 'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you
>> guys!
> Except for the crap that come up here from down your way!!!
Crap - have our politicians been sneaking up there again?
>
> What IS common is we are both exposed to the lakes. Warm open water
> and strong cold winds in the right direction make for a lot of heavy
> snow.
Yes sir!
>
> The difference is we are pretty well totally suurounded by those warm
> lakes, except for the odd wind coming from a narrow band roughly 30
> degrees from the North East.(out of Northern Quebec).
>
> It's the "interlaken effect"
But the air coming from down here - mainly the prevailing currents moving up
out of Washington DC, are mostly hot air, so that shouldn't cause a real
"interlaken effect..."
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your
> weather... 'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you
> guys!
-----------------------------
According to the latest weather reports, the New York State Thruway
corridor has received 40% of it's annual snowfall YTD.
Glad I'm out of that wonderful stuff.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
>> So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your
>> weather... 'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you
>> guys!
> -----------------------------
> According to the latest weather reports, the New York State Thruway
> corridor has received 40% of it's annual snowfall YTD.
>
Hadn't really kept track of the snowfall totals this year, but I might not
be surprised at that number. Further up in the snow belt, we're a long way
away from 40%, but winter is just beginning...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 12/16/10 2:40 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:23:05 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
>>> So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your
>>> weather... 'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you
>>> guys!
>
>> Except for the crap that come up here from down your way!!!
>
> Crap - have our politicians been sneaking up there again?
>
>
>>
>> What IS common is we are both exposed to the lakes. Warm open water
>> and strong cold winds in the right direction make for a lot of heavy
>> snow.
>
> Yes sir!
>
>>
>> The difference is we are pretty well totally suurounded by those warm
>> lakes, except for the odd wind coming from a narrow band roughly 30
>> degrees from the North East.(out of Northern Quebec).
>>
>> It's the "interlaken effect"
>
> But the air coming from down here - mainly the prevailing currents moving up
> out of Washington DC, are mostly hot air, so that shouldn't cause a real
> "interlaken effect..."
>
In southern Ontario we are typically also subjected to some of the
Colorado clippers that move in the direction of Minnesota.
Not sure about today or if it has moved much, but the jet-stream was
doing something really bizarre the last couple days, it doubled back on
itself and went way up north. Iqaluit was warmer than Toronto (by
temperature just to avoid TO jokes).
It caused strange wind directions, and lake effect snow.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 12/16/10 3:01 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>>
>>> So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your
>>> weather... 'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you
>>> guys!
>> -----------------------------
>> According to the latest weather reports, the New York State Thruway
>> corridor has received 40% of it's annual snowfall YTD.
>>
>
> Hadn't really kept track of the snowfall totals this year, but I might not
> be surprised at that number. Further up in the snow belt, we're a long way
> away from 40%, but winter is just beginning...
>
Nashville got over our yearly total of rain in 36 hours, last May.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:23:05 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> That can happen with a LIGHT snowfall - and what they have gotten in
>> Lamton/Sarnia/Middlesex/Huron does not classify as "light".
>
>The description you provided (snipped...) is somewhat common in upstate NY
>as well - though perhaps not as common as up there. I do understand those
>conditions.
>
>>
>> Some places got 6 feet in 36 hours, and not just a calm drop - but
>> high winds too.
>
>6 feet in 36 hours is a good snowfall, no matter what you're used to.
>
>So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your weather...
>'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you guys!
Except for the crap that come up here from down your way!!!
What IS common is we are both exposed to the lakes. Warm open water
and strong cold winds in the right direction make for a lot of heavy
snow.
The difference is we are pretty well totally suurounded by those warm
lakes, except for the odd wind coming from a narrow band roughly 30
degrees from the North East.(out of Northern Quebec).
It's the "interlaken effect"
On Dec 14, 7:24=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
> > back-breaking.
> > Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
> > closed.
>
> > There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
> > this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> > The horror, the horror...
>
> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
> cold out.
>
People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
of there real soon.
http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
On Dec 14, 1:18=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:05:52 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 11:43=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> On 12/14/10 9:22 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> >>> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet a=
nd
> >> >>> back-breaking.
> >> >>> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia a=
re
> >> >>> closed.
>
> >> >>> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just =
like
> >> >>> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> >> >>> The horror, the horror...
>
> >> >> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is i=
t
> >> >> cold out.
>
> >> > People are going to die around here unless we can get those people o=
ut
> >> > of there real soon.
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> >> I spoke too soon, white fluffy shit is falling from the sky.
>
> >> --
> >> Froz...
>
> >> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
>
> >People initially didn't stop because of the amount of snow, they were
> >simply blinded by 60-70 Kph winds..THEN they got snowed in. You get a
> >wind, blowing from the North along the length of a still warmish lake
> >and those winds are going to bring shit... LOTS of it.
>
> =A0One of the worst sections of road I have EVER driven on in a snow
> storm - and I've driven in a LOT of bad winter weather.
>
> The sun can be shining 20 feet above ground and you can be in a
> blinding blizzard at ground level, up to your armpits in heavy snow.
They brought in the military...(BOTH helicopters <WEG>). They are
airlifting older, gass-less people who did not find shelter in sleeper-
cab trucks..people from all over are snowmobiling gas and food... what
a frikkin mess.
Now comes the real crazyness.. abandoned cars blocking the roads all
over the place and, I'm sure, they'll find some of those owners in
farmers' fields. From the air it looks like 9/11 in reverse.. no
traffic into Canada here this time.
LOL.. one local DJ was yakking his fool head off about Sarnia even
being mentioned on CNN!!
On Dec 15, 5:23=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> > ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow. One accident up
> > the road and the roads were blocked and people had nowhere to go.
> > But of COURSE your winters are bigger better...*shrugs*
>
> Maybe I missed the zero visibility part. =A0Our winters might just be big=
ger
> and better - or they might be the same. =A0They are for sure, among the w=
orst
> in the lower 48. =A0I live on the Tug Hill plateau and we get snow. =A0Lo=
ts of
> zero visibility storms. =A0The pictures did not depict zero visibility - =
they
> depicted a small amount of wind blown snow. =A0We have been known to get =
9
> feet of snow in a little over 24 hours. =A0That makes for zero visibility=
. =A0We
> lived through it. =A0The press did have a field day with it, but that was=
the
> sensationalism that they wanted to create to sell papers and newstime. =
=A0More
> people from outside the area talked about it than did the people who live=
in
> the affected areas.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
The piccies were next day. The entire night was pure terror to the
uninitiated.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:13:59 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>LOL.. one local DJ was yakking his fool head off about Sarnia even
>being mentioned on CNN!!
How 'bout them banana trees?
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
On Dec 14, 10:18=A0am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
> > of there real soon.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
> You Canadians are going soft. =A0In the old days, they would have just bu=
ilt
> an igloo and burned seal blubber to stay warm. :)
Yup, the place is just crawling with seals..LOL
>
> Incidents like this are a perfect argument for carrying some basic emerge=
ncy
> supplies in your vehicle. =A0Top of the list would be some warm clothing =
and a
> sleeping bag. Also some emergency rations of some kind.
Some Hakkapeliitta 5's on a Subaru help too. We never venture out
without a full tank of gas, rations, clothing etc. That particular
stretch of road has bit many in the ass over the years, it is
notoriously bad... and goes bad fast.
Nice this morning though, warmed up the windchill to -9=B0F, I'm wearing
my shorts!
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> > Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
>> > back-breaking.
>> > Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
>> > closed.
>>
>> > There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
>> > this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>>
>> > The horror, the horror...
>>
>> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
>> cold out.
>>
>
>People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>of there real soon.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
telling us about?
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
> Something similar happened in Seattle. Two years ago, there was some
> cold weather. a bunch of snow, and no plan to deal with it. The mayor
> at that time, a clueless moron, (Mayor Nichols) proclaimed that there
> was no problem and everything was fine. He gave the the snow effort a
> B grade. Most of the city was paralyzed. He would not allow salt to
> be used on the road because it would cause an ecological disaster. The
> sand he spread everywhere clogged up all the storm drains
> afterwards. It took weeks to clean them all out.
>
I live in an area where we use sand and salt. Unless a moron poured
excessive sand on the roads - and it would have to be really excessive,
storm drains are not going to clog - unless they are 2" diameter storm
drains. Sounds like politial rhetoric.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Lee Michaels wrote:
> You got to remember, that folks in the greenie northwest do things
> differently than elsewhere. There is a constant save the fishies
> thing going on all the time. A local mall was help up on their
> expansion plans for over 20 years because the wanted to put a salmon
> stream in the middle of the thing. Only when the salmon stream was
> installed, were they allowed to build. The storm drains are set up to
> save the fishies.
Point taken.
>
> Apparently, the sand would harm the fishies more than the salt. And
> the storm drains are set up to filter EVERYTHING out. There are
> traps that get clogged up. A truck comes along and sticks a big hose
> down there and vacuums it out. It ain't rhetoric. It how things are
> done around here.
Oye...
>
> The latest thing is to take all the major roads in Seattle and
> convert them into two lanes with dedicated bicycle lanes. There are
> traffic jams on streets that were fine before. There is a local
> bicycle club that is a major lobbying group and they literally make
> happen all kinds of wacko things that make this city more and more
> complicated and dysfunctional. They even got out present, bicycle nut
> mayor elected.
I get around quite a bit in my travels, and I do know what you mean about
Seattle. Nice looking area when you consider the sceanary, but more than a
little bit odd when you experience the "culture".
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I use to live in the Chicago area, The Blizzard of 68 happen while I
> was in grammar school great fun, the one in 79 (which affected the
> Mayoral election, Bilandic lost after saying "my streets are clear
> what's the problem" or at least that is what his opponent got people
> to believe).
>
Something similar happened in Seattle. Two years ago, there was some cold
weather. a bunch of snow, and no plan to deal with it. The mayor at that
time, a clueless moron, (Mayor Nichols) proclaimed that there was no problem
and everything was fine. He gave the the snow effort a B grade. Most of the
city was paralyzed. He would not allow salt to be used on the road because
it would cause an ecological disaster. The sand he spread everywhere
clogged up all the storm drains afterwards. It took weeks to clean them all
out.
It turns out that some dedicated ass kissers personally plowed the road
between the mayor's house and city hall. That is why he thought the roads
were clear. The person who was supposed to be in charge was on vacation in
Portland, Oregon. When asked why she didn't come home to deal with the
mess, she said she could phone it in. Because she did not drive a snowplow
or truck, her presence was not required.
Well, the fallout was predictable. The mayor could not get re-elected.
Seattle ended up electing a Sierra club lawyer, an extreme environmental
wacko. The idiot in charge of the city's response was fired.
This area got a mini version of this event a week or so ago. Just 3 - 5 days
of cold and some snow. Guess what? They screwed up again. But unlike last
time, various officials stepped up and admitted the mistakes and went to
work on some solutions. They bought new type of salt. They got some new
equipment for their trucks, etc. They worked out new communications and
procedures.
They had a big press conference in the last day or so to announce how they
are going to do it different next time. I don't think it was because they
gave a damn, competence or they really cared. They just know the last time
the problem was not dealt with directly, everybody got fired. Hey, if at
first you don't succeed, ...
So a little sense of self preservation will actually lead to some better
service from our government. It doesn't happen often, but in this
particular case, it did.
And, of course, the media turned it all into some kind of major event/soap
opera.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>>>
>> Something similar happened in Seattle. Two years ago, there was some
>> cold weather. a bunch of snow, and no plan to deal with it. The mayor
>> at that time, a clueless moron, (Mayor Nichols) proclaimed that there
>> was no problem and everything was fine. He gave the the snow effort a
>> B grade. Most of the city was paralyzed. He would not allow salt to
>> be used on the road because it would cause an ecological disaster. The
>> sand he spread everywhere clogged up all the storm drains
>> afterwards. It took weeks to clean them all out.
>>
>
> I live in an area where we use sand and salt. Unless a moron poured
> excessive sand on the roads - and it would have to be really excessive,
> storm drains are not going to clog - unless they are 2" diameter storm
> drains. Sounds like politial rhetoric.
>
You got to remember, that folks in the greenie northwest do things
differently than elsewhere. There is a constant save the fishies thing
going on all the time. A local mall was help up on their expansion plans
for over 20 years because the wanted to put a salmon stream in the middle of
the thing. Only when the salmon stream was installed, were they allowed to
build. The storm drains are set up to save the fishies.
Apparently, the sand would harm the fishies more than the salt. And the
storm drains are set up to filter EVERYTHING out. There are traps that get
clogged up. A truck comes along and sticks a big hose down there and
vacuums it out. It ain't rhetoric. It how things are done around here.
The latest thing is to take all the major roads in Seattle and convert them
into two lanes with dedicated bicycle lanes. There are traffic jams on
streets that were fine before. There is a local bicycle club that is a
major lobbying group and they literally make happen all kinds of wacko
things that make this city more and more complicated and dysfunctional.
They even got out present, bicycle nut mayor elected.
[email protected] wrote:
>
> That can happen with a LIGHT snowfall - and what they have gotten in
> Lamton/Sarnia/Middlesex/Huron does not classify as "light".
The description you provided (snipped...) is somewhat common in upstate NY
as well - though perhaps not as common as up there. I do understand those
conditions.
>
> Some places got 6 feet in 36 hours, and not just a calm drop - but
> high winds too.
6 feet in 36 hours is a good snowfall, no matter what you're used to.
So - you may wonder how it is that I'm so familiar with your weather...
'Cause all of our bad weather comes down here from you guys!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:46:25 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Police used over a dozen towing companies, each with their own pounds,
>and there's a whole lot of people wandering aimlessly along these city
>streets wondering: "where's my car....where's my car..where my CAR??"
>
>City fathers (and mothers) are busy compiling a list. At least 3
>people have tried to lay claim on the same Cayenne Turbo...LOL (okay,
>I made that up...)
>If anybody can lose 300 cars, we can.
I use to live in the Chicago area, The Blizzard of 68 happen while I
was in grammar school great fun, the one in 79 (which affected the
Mayoral election, Bilandic lost after saying "my streets are clear
what's the problem" or at least that is what his opponent got people
to believe).
Mark
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:23:55 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robatoy wrote:
>
>>
>> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow. One accident up
>> the road and the roads were blocked and people had nowhere to go.
>> But of COURSE your winters are bigger better...*shrugs*
>
>Maybe I missed the zero visibility part. Our winters might just be bigger
>and better - or they might be the same. They are for sure, among the worst
>in the lower 48. I live on the Tug Hill plateau and we get snow. Lots of
>zero visibility storms. The pictures did not depict zero visibility - they
>depicted a small amount of wind blown snow. We have been known to get 9
>feet of snow in a little over 24 hours. That makes for zero visibility. We
>lived through it. The press did have a field day with it, but that was the
>sensationalism that they wanted to create to sell papers and newstime. More
>people from outside the area talked about it than did the people who live in
>the affected areas.
You have to have driven that stretch with 80km winds to know what bad
is. The truck traffic is ridiculous, and when you get black ice and
ground drifting (so the truckers can't see the road, but can still see
a mile ahead) they drive too fast and all of a sudden a side gust
blows one crosswise on the road. Then everything comes to a stop.
Nothing on either side of the road, and miles in both directions to an
interchange with nothing on it. Then the snow swirls around the
stopped traffic, and visibility below about 50 feet off the ground is
nill - while above that it's just sunny, and windy with a bit of snow
being thrashed around. In an hour or two vehicles are banked in with
snow - and there's mabee only a foot or two on the fields alongside.
Then the cars act as a snowfence, and the snow builds up farther
downwind.
That can happen with a LIGHT snowfall - and what they have gotten in
Lamton/Sarnia/Middlesex/Huron does not classify as "light".
Some places got 6 feet in 36 hours, and not just a calm drop - but
high winds too.
On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
> back-breaking.
> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
> closed.
>
> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>
> The horror, the horror...
Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
cold out.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:43:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> some pics:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>>>
>>> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the
>>> tank was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality
>>> would be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
>>> activity.
>>> Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why
>>> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>>
>> For those of us that live in snow country - what is so alarming
>> about these pictures? This is by no means a big snow issue. Hell -
>> normal winter events often look worse than this. Leave it to the
>> media...
>
> Yeah, that's no storm or cold weather. THIS is weather:
> http://fwd4.me/cla
Yeah baby! Now that's some cold stuff...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:43:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> some pics:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>>
>> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the
>> tank was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality
>> would be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
>> activity.
>> Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why
>> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>
>For those of us that live in snow country - what is so alarming about these
>pictures? This is by no means a big snow issue. Hell - normal winter
>events often look worse than this. Leave it to the media...
Yeah, that's no storm or cold weather. THIS is weather:
http://fwd4.me/cla
--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:50:12 -0800, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:43:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> some pics:
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>>>
>>> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the
>>> tank was low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality
>>> would be very possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk
>>> activity.
>>> Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why
>>> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>>
>>For those of us that live in snow country - what is so alarming about these
>>pictures? This is by no means a big snow issue. Hell - normal winter
>>events often look worse than this. Leave it to the media...
>
>Yeah, that's no storm or cold weather. THIS is weather:
>http://fwd4.me/cla
Gee WTF
"Alas, the never-ending battle against spammers has proven too much,
they finally won.
R.I.P. http://Fwd4.Me
Thanks for all the support over the years, it's been a blast :)
@RichKavanagh"
Mark
On 12/14/10 8:03 AM, Upscale wrote:
> "FrozenNorth"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it cold
>> out.
>
> Yeah, it's a pain (literally) when it's mostly too damned cold for it to
> snow. Don't like it when it gets this cold, but at least it's easier for me
> to get around. The only other advantage is that I get places faster in my
> rush to get back inside somewhere that's warm.
>
Had to run a few errands yesterday, about four stops, heater in the car
wasn't blowing any hot air, til I was pulling back into my driveway.
Having a new oven delivered today, here's hoping the cord I took off the
old one will fit the new one and I don't have to out out all day.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 12/14/10 9:22 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
>>> back-breaking.
>>> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
>>> closed.
>>
>>> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
>>> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>>
>>> The horror, the horror...
>>
>> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
>> cold out.
>>
>
> People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
> of there real soon.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>
I spoke too soon, white fluffy shit is falling from the sky.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 12/14/10 8:16 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 12/14/10 8:03 AM, Upscale wrote:
>> "FrozenNorth"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
>>> cold
>>> out.
>>
>> Yeah, it's a pain (literally) when it's mostly too damned cold for it to
>> snow. Don't like it when it gets this cold, but at least it's easier
>> for me
>> to get around. The only other advantage is that I get places faster in my
>> rush to get back inside somewhere that's warm.
>>
>
> Had to run a few errands yesterday, about four stops, heater in the car
> wasn't blowing any hot air, til I was pulling back into my driveway.
> Having a new oven delivered today, here's hoping the cord I took off the
> old one will fit the new one and I don't have to out out all day.
>
That was surprising, came with a cord, prewired for 240/60 Hz, four wire
circuit. Plug and go, already gave away the old cordset and stove to a
guy down the road who disposes of it.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 12/15/10 10:41 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> some pics:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
> Looks like a real serious situation. I hope nobody died. If the tank was
> low or they did not have sufficient clothing, a fatality would be very
> possible. I guess commuting near Sarnia is a high risk activity.
>
> Where is your civic pride and sense of public service Robatoy? Why
> aren't you out there rescuing these poor people?? ;-)
>
No reports of death, and everyone appears to be accounted for, or no
reports of missing persons, at least so far. Anyone that goes too far
in a vehicle outside of a major city in Canada, who doesn't have a first
aid kit, some food, and some warm clothes is a moron IMHO.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
FrozenNorth wrote:
...
> ... Anyone that goes too far
> in a vehicle outside of a major city in Canada, who doesn't have a first
> aid kit, some food, and some warm clothes is a moron IMHO.
Doesn't make any difference about Canada or not; anywhere there's winter
weather and particularly wind is susceptible to the same problems.
Virtually every year there will be those who do such stupidity around
here as well... :(
In general, those who either are from large metro areas or eastern where
wind isn't so predominant factor in winter storms are the worst as they
have no conception of first there being places it's hundred or more
miles to an exit, even, and there may be nothing at that point, anyway;
and second, that blowing 30-50 mph w/ snow is what we tend to expect to
happen as opposed to watching snow pile up on top of things as it floats
prettily downward...
--
On 12/15/10 1:05 PM, dpb wrote:
> FrozenNorth wrote:
> ...
>
>> ... Anyone that goes too far in a vehicle outside of a major city in
>> Canada, who doesn't have a first aid kit, some food, and some warm
>> clothes is a moron IMHO.
>
> Doesn't make any difference about Canada or not; anywhere there's winter
> weather and particularly wind is susceptible to the same problems.
> Virtually every year there will be those who do such stupidity around
> here as well... :(
>
I didn't mean to imply that the only morons are Canadian. :-)
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 12/15/10 1:46 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:21 pm, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On 12/15/10 1:05 PM, dpb wrote:> FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> ...
>>
>>>> ... Anyone that goes too far in a vehicle outside of a major city in
>>>> Canada, who doesn't have a first aid kit, some food, and some warm
>>>> clothes is a moron IMHO.
>>
>>> Doesn't make any difference about Canada or not; anywhere there's winter
>>> weather and particularly wind is susceptible to the same problems.
>>> Virtually every year there will be those who do such stupidity around
>>> here as well... :(
>>
>> I didn't mean to imply that the only morons are Canadian. :-)
>>
>> --
>> Froz...
>>
>> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
>
> Police used over a dozen towing companies, each with their own pounds,
> and there's a whole lot of people wandering aimlessly along these city
> streets wondering: "where's my car....where's my car..where my CAR??"
>
> City fathers (and mothers) are busy compiling a list. At least 3
> people have tried to lay claim on the same Cayenne Turbo...LOL (okay,
> I made that up...)
> If anybody can lose 300 cars, we can.
Maybe there is an unclaimed truck full of beer and bacon.
:-)
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 12/15/10 1:46 PM, Robatoy wrote:
...
>> and there's a whole lot of people wandering aimlessly along these city
>> streets wondering: "where's my car....where's my car..where my CAR??"
>>
>> City fathers (and mothers) are busy compiling a list. At least 3
>> people have tried to lay claim on the same Cayenne Turbo...LOL (okay,
>> I made that up...)
>> If anybody can lose 300 cars, we can.
>
> Maybe there is an unclaimed truck full of beer and bacon.
> :-)
Last big 'un around here the National Guard guys had a heyday--something
approaching 100 vehicles were simply run over and crushed or otherwise
trashed by their toys.
Fortunately, none were occupied at the time--it was never clear whether
they even thought about such things being a possibility at the time or
whether they were simply looking for thrills and the chance was too good
to pass up...supposedly they've now been "trained"; time will tell...
--
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:13:59 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 1:18 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:05:52 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 11:43 am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On 12/14/10 9:22 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
>> >> >>> back-breaking.
>> >> >>> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
>> >> >>> closed.
>>
>> >> >>> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
>> >> >>> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>>
>> >> >>> The horror, the horror...
>>
>> >> >> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
>> >> >> cold out.
>>
>> >> > People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> >> > of there real soon.
>>
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>> >> I spoke too soon, white fluffy shit is falling from the sky.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Froz...
>>
>> >> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
>>
>> >People initially didn't stop because of the amount of snow, they were
>> >simply blinded by 60-70 Kph winds..THEN they got snowed in. You get a
>> >wind, blowing from the North along the length of a still warmish lake
>> >and those winds are going to bring shit... LOTS of it.
>>
>> One of the worst sections of road I have EVER driven on in a snow
>> storm - and I've driven in a LOT of bad winter weather.
>>
>> The sun can be shining 20 feet above ground and you can be in a
>> blinding blizzard at ground level, up to your armpits in heavy snow.
>
>They brought in the military...(BOTH helicopters <WEG>). They are
>airlifting older, gass-less people who did not find shelter in sleeper-
>cab trucks..people from all over are snowmobiling gas and food... what
>a frikkin mess.
>Now comes the real crazyness.. abandoned cars blocking the roads all
>over the place and, I'm sure, they'll find some of those owners in
>farmers' fields. From the air it looks like 9/11 in reverse.. no
>traffic into Canada here this time.
>LOL.. one local DJ was yakking his fool head off about Sarnia even
>being mentioned on CNN!!
Y'all made the Weather Channel with some shots from them helos.
We had an inch or two, can not really tell how much as is blew
sideways during and after the snow. It was 4.1 f this morning and
freezing rain for tomorrow afternoon.
Layed in 100 LBS of salt as we have a nice long (uphill) driveway.
Mark
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:05:52 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 11:43Â am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On 12/14/10 9:22 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 14, 7:24 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 12/14/10 12:02 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> >>> Got shat on big time. Just a foot, mind you, but some it was wet and
>> >>> back-breaking.
>> >>> Now it's all blowy out there and most roads in and out of Sarnia are
>> >>> closed.
>>
>> >>> There's a wee bottle of brandy I've been saving for an event just like
>> >>> this, that and a couple of books I have been meaning to read.
>>
>> >>> The horror, the horror...
>>
>> >> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it
>> >> cold out.
>>
>> > People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> > of there real soon.
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>> I spoke too soon, white fluffy shit is falling from the sky.
>>
>> --
>> Froz...
>>
>> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
>
>People initially didn't stop because of the amount of snow, they were
>simply blinded by 60-70 Kph winds..THEN they got snowed in. You get a
>wind, blowing from the North along the length of a still warmish lake
>and those winds are going to bring shit... LOTS of it.
One of the worst sections of road I have EVER driven on in a snow
storm - and I've driven in a LOT of bad winter weather.
The sun can be shining 20 feet above ground and you can be in a
blinding blizzard at ground level, up to your armpits in heavy snow.
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
>> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> >of there real soon.
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>> That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>>
>> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
>> telling us about?
>
>Ha! Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
>It was a 25-year aberration.
>
>and
>
>What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
>further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
Globular Swarming is the culprit, I'll bet! AGWK Kills!
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:51:54 -0800 (PST), Robatoy wrote:
>
>> On Dec 15, 7:36 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>>> ZERO visibility was the issue. Not the amount of snow.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>> 2,500 miles west here in California, it's either sand storms or fog.
>>>
>>> Can't remember all the stats, but a few years ago on I-5 near
>>> Bakersfield, the visibility went to instant ZERO and something like
>>> 900-1,000 cars/trucks were involved in ONE gigantic pile up.
>>>
>>> As this is being typed, L/A is socked in and there is an estimated
>>> 3,000 mile long cloud bank parked in the Pacific, but headed our way.
>>>
>>> Should be an interesting week ahead.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>> Lew
>>
>> I recall driving down I-75 in Florida and suddenly finding myself with
>> zero visibility due to smoke crawling across the highway from a grass/
>> brush fire. That was an 'I'm fucked' moment as I instantly became
>> aware that if I hit the brakes, I'd get nailed from behind, and I was
>> due to hit some schmo who had already hit his brakes ahead of me. I
>> had the window down a bit and I could hear the carnage of smashing
>> cars nearby. As quickly as I drove into it, I drove out of it just to
>> see a small motor home come flying across the median. No idea where he
>> came from or where he went. Total value of the deal? Maybe 30
>> seconds.. if that long... not even long enough to crap my drawers.
>> Instant blindness at 70 MPH is very scary.
>
>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>I was never comfortable setting the cruise much over a 100 mph on I-75.
;-)
In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:42:10 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I used to make a lot of weekend trips to Orlando from central Al,
>>and I-75 even without brush or grass fires was likely to have heavy
>>patches of dense fog, making visibility near zero.
>
>Central AL to Orlando down I-75? Why didn't you use I-95 or I-5? ;-)
>
Perhaps because I-5 goes to Los Angeles?
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 19:56:39 -0800 (PST), Luigi Zanasi
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 4:46 am, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>> NOAA weather discussion for the Buffalo area:
>>
>> http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BUF&product...
>
>That's why I live in the Yukon. We have a much better climate and the
>snow is usually the light fluffy kind; and never more that 3-4 inches
>at once.
So, WeeGee, are you going to be telling us of -your- Banana Belt
climate now, too? <snort>
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:18:22 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> of there real soon.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>You Canadians are going soft. In the old days, they would have just built
>an igloo and burned seal blubber to stay warm. :)
>
>Incidents like this are a perfect argument for carrying some basic emergency
>supplies in your vehicle. Top of the list would be some warm clothing and a
>sleeping bag. Also some emergency rations of some kind.
>
>
A good arguement for checking the weather and road reports too.
If you live anywhere in the south-western Ontario snow belt and do
not have to go out, STAY HOME. If you DO NOT live in the SouthWestern
Ontario Snow Belt, DO NOT GO THERE.
Some parts of the "classic" snow-belt have dodged the bullet so far -
the area around
Kitchener/Waterloo/Elmira/Elora/Fergus/Drayton/Cambridge and Guelph is
colder than cold, and slippery in spots from the slop we got over the
weekend - bur not much snow and reasonable visibility.
Looking out the window you'd think it was a good day for a drive.
If you MUST drive, carry warm clothes, keep the tank well over half
full, carry candles and a lighter, boots, shovel, flashlight, and
emergency rations. And for heaven's sake - SNOW TIRES!!!!!!!!!!
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:55:29 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 15, 9:51 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 15, 9:02 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> > >wrote:
>> > >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>
>> > >> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> > >> >of there real soon.
>>
>> > >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>> > >> That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>>
>> > >> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
>> > >> telling us about?
>>
>> > >Ha! Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
>> > >It was a 25-year aberration.
>>
>> > >and
>>
>> > >What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
>> > >further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
>>
>> > Globular Swarming is the culprit, I'll bet! AGWK Kills!
>>
>> > --
>> > Know how to listen, and you will
>> > profit even from those who talk badly.
>> > -- Plutarch
>>
>> some pics:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/23twona
>
>BTW.. they mention London Line..... my shop is on London Line but
>closer to a built up area so those drifts were less dangerous.
>
>The banana crop is likely farked this year.
I hear that Sub-Arctic Chiquita is going out of business from it.
--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:51:39 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 15, 9:02 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:25:06 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:22:41 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>>
>> >> >People are going to die around here unless we can get those people out
>> >> >of there real soon.
>>
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/24yvpyr
>>
>> >> That's scary stuff, Toy. I hope everyone makes it out safely.
>>
>> >> Saaaay, isn't that area inside the lovely, warm, Banana Belt you were
>> >> telling us about?
>>
>> >Ha! Nooo, that's 20 miles further south.
>> >It was a 25-year aberration.
>>
>> >and
>>
>> >What's with those temps in Florida? Surely you know that Florida is
>> >further south than Sarnia, Ontario? :-)
>>
>> Globular Swarming is the culprit, I'll bet! AGWK Kills!
>
>some pics:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/23twona
Wow, that Banana Belt cop looks like something out of a G.I. Joe
movie, or SWAT team member.
402 sure looks like a nasty road right now.
--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes
"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Got maybe a centimeter on the ground here in Toronto, but damn is it cold
> out.
Yeah, it's a pain (literally) when it's mostly too damned cold for it to
snow. Don't like it when it gets this cold, but at least it's easier for me
to get around. The only other advantage is that I get places faster in my
rush to get back inside somewhere that's warm.