I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide tipped turning tools. But I would like to be able to use it for other sharpening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. I don't want to go broke here.
Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
-Jim
On Nov 4, 3:02=A0pm, beecrofter <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 11:35=A0am, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide t=
ipped turning tools. =A0But I would like to be able to use it for other sha=
rpening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. =A0I don't want =
to go broke here.
>
> > Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. =A0I was hoping=
to find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. =A0Who woul=
d you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
> > -Jim
>
> For about 15 bucks you can buy a set of EZ Lap brand diamond
> sharpeners in a pouch like a pocket protector called an L-PAK, plastic
> handles diamond surface of about 5/8 x 1.5 ". 3 pieces 1200,600,400
> grit .
That's the ticket! Excellent for router bits.
--
FF
On Oct 31, 11:35=A0am, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide tip=
ped turning tools. =A0But I would like to be able to use it for other sharp=
ening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. =A0I don't want to=
go broke here.
>
> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. =A0I was hoping t=
o find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. =A0Who would =
you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
> -Jim
For about 15 bucks you can buy a set of EZ Lap brand diamond
sharpeners in a pouch like a pocket protector called an L-PAK, plastic
handles diamond surface of about 5/8 x 1.5 ". 3 pieces 1200,600,400
grit .
On Oct 31, 3:43=A0pm, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is this the one you refer to? =A0I thought these might be good for the ca=
rbide tips. Plus, I could do up to a 1" chisel.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD...
>
> Jim
No. See LJ's post and link (at this time, post #8) to see the exact
item I referred to. I like those a lot, and if you are a good
freehand sharpener they are great.
Robert
On Oct 31, 12:26=A0pm, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:35:30 -0700, jtpr wrote:
> > Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. =A0I was hoping=
to
> > find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. =A0Who woul=
d
> > you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
> Hoo boy, did you open a can of worms. =A0There's oil stones, water stones=
,
> ceramic stones, diamond stones, ad infinitum. =A0At least the oil stones
> and water stones come in man made and natural. =A0And then there's
> ScarySharp, narrow belt sanders, ...
ScarySharp is the same as carborundum, but cheaper, and
stays flat. For carbide tipped tools, I'd bite the bullet and
spend some bucks for a diamond plate. 600 grit cuts fast
and leaves a decent edge.
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:35:30 -0700, jtpr wrote:
> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to
> find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would
> you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
Hoo boy, did you open a can of worms. There's oil stones, water stones ,
ceramic stones, diamond stones, ad infinitum. At least the oil stones
and water stones come in man made and natural. And then there's
ScarySharp, narrow belt sanders, ...
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Did you see the part where he said he was sharpening carbide?
Then there is natural stone - e.g. Arkansas and such. A very fine grit.
I was making some while in college - small pocket ones for the Ag guys.
They always had a nice knife in their pocket - and so did I. My room
Mate during frosh year was AG - and got me introduced.
Martin
On 10/31/2011 7:51 PM, CW wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:35:30 -0700, jtpr wrote:
>
>> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to
>> find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would
>> you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
> Hoo boy, did you open a can of worms. There's oil stones, water stones ,
> ceramic stones, diamond stones, ad infinitum. At least the oil stones
> and water stones come in man made and natural. And then there's
> ScarySharp, narrow belt sanders, ...
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Did you see the part where he said he was sharpening carbide?
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Is this the one you refer to? I thought these might be good for the carbide tips. Plus, I could do up to a 1" chisel.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD/ref=sr_1_16?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320093725&sr=1-16
Jim, I got this set for the truck: http://goo.gl/paUU3 to hone in the
field. They're abot the same size as the set you listed but with a
continuous diamond surface.
In the shop, I have EZElap 600 and DMT 600 honing plates, both 2x6".
http://goo.gl/nelSa I can sharpen wider-than-2" blades on them. I
recommend the 6" size or larger. They last forever and are less
expensive and _considerably_ less hassle than truckloads of
waterstones. Add some higher grit wet-or-dry paper and a strop for
finishing. I like Lee Valley's green crayons for the strop.
http://goo.gl/H5Zon Hayseuss Farkin' Crisco, lookee de price!
<thud> Well, it's a lifetime worth of stick.
Diamonds are a sharpener's best friend. Just do it.
1- Grinder, 1" belt sander w/ 120 grit Zirconia belt, or sanding
paddle wheel on angle grinder will take care of jagged ends.
2- DMT (my preferred mfgr) 600 grit plate to shape and sharpen.
3- Finer papers on a flat surface (mdf, surface plate, countertop) for
finer sharpening.
4- Strop and compound for polishing.
This will net you an inexpensive but very good system of sharpening
for all your edges, from pocket knife to kitchen to shop to yard.
Whoooooe! I gare-on-TEE it!
--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.
DMT makes a line called "mini hones" that are high grade industrial
diamond strips mounted on a small piece of plastic. They are great,
and about $6 - $8 a piece if you buy a set. They are great for
touching up router bits a couple of times.
I also used mine a lot when I was turning more to cut a fresh edge on
my lathe tools. I don't have carbide faced tools, but have a few
harder powdered steels steels like 2030 (much the equivalent of the
old SV60) and several in an ultra hard M2. I bought mine in a three
tool set for less than $20, and that has been all I have ever needed.
When I made of couple of hollowers, I used M2 laced with cobalt
instead of carbide. M2/cobalt is easier to sharpen (easy on a soft,
frangible wheel) and more readily available.
You will be surprised all the uses you will find for that little
sharpening set. I bought mine at Woodcraft, but they have them all
over the place.
Robert
On Oct 31, 11:35=A0am, jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide tip=
ped turning tools. =A0But I would like to be able to use it for other sharp=
ening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. =A0I don't want to=
go broke here.
>
> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. =A0I was hoping t=
o find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. =A0Who would =
you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
I think you're SOL.
Nothing short of diamond is going to work on carbide. A diamond
plate or slip will wear out (I guess the diamond get crushed.) so
you probably do not want to waste it on anything but carbide.
For steel there are numerous choices. The cheapest is scary sharp
(google it) which works as well as anything else. The most compact
setup that works fast and produces as fine an edge as scary sharp
would probably be a couple or three waterstones.
Other stones work too, depending on just how keen you want the edge.
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FF
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:35:30 -0700, jtpr wrote:
> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to
> find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would
> you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
Hoo boy, did you open a can of worms. There's oil stones, water stones ,
ceramic stones, diamond stones, ad infinitum. At least the oil stones
and water stones come in man made and natural. And then there's
ScarySharp, narrow belt sanders, ...
But I don't know why you're having trouble finding a coarse/fine
combination:
http://www.amazon.com/Norton-Crystolon-Combination-Oilstone-Coarse/dp/
B0001MSA5Y
or
http://www.amazon.com/King-01096-Deluxe-Combination-Stone/dp/B0000223ZX/
ref=sr_1_13?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1320078245&sr=1-13
If you'd rather not buy online, I know Woodcraft carries combination
stones and I suspect the borgs do as well.
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Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:35:30 -0700, jtpr wrote:
> I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide
> tipped turning tools.
Oops! I read too fast. I use a little diamond hone for those little
carbide screw on tips. The only other thing I use it for is carbide
router bits.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
In article <28707993.1292.1320075330679.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbza28>,
jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide
>tipped turning tools. But I would like to be able to use it for other
>sharpening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. I don't
>want to go broke here.
>
>Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to
>find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would
>you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
>-Jim
You will need a diamond stone to effectively sharpen carbide. DMT is a well
known good quality brand but for occasional use there are many others
available by searching Amazon that are cheaper and even HF has a few that
are OK.
--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:48:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> DMT makes a line called "mini hones" that are high grade industrial
> diamond strips mounted on a small piece of plastic. They are great, and
> about $6 - $8 a piece if you buy a set. They are great for touching up
> router bits a couple of times.
That's the ones I've got. They work great.
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Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 10/31/2011 10:35 AM, jtpr wrote:
> I want to get a sharpening stone to bring the edge back on my carbide tipped turning tools. But I would like to be able to use it for other sharpening tasks as well, like chisels and planes and knives. I don't want to go broke here.
>
> Anyway it seems I probably need 2, a course and a fine. I was hoping to find somebody who made a dual sided block, but I guess not. Who would you all recommend that is the best bang for the buck?
>
> -Jim
I would imagine that carbide cutting tools would eat through a natural
stone in moments. I would suggest a diamond sharpening stone.
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:43:43 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Is this the one you refer to? I thought these might be good for the carbide tips. Plus, I could do up to a 1" chisel.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD/ref=sr_1_16?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320093725&sr=1-16
>
>
>Jim
I use something like this for touching up carbide, I like having the
handle but it may make no real difference:
http://www.amazon.com/DMT-D2F-Dia-Sharp-Diamond-Mini-Hone/dp/B000J67HNI/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1320334628&sr=1-1
When I sharpen my chisels I want a lot more room to work with. I want
my chisels to be much sharper than I can get from a DMT diamond stone,
and for that I need to be able to flatten the back and have it honed
to a very fine surface (mirror polish) and then grind the bevel and
sharpen the very edge of the bevel to a similarly fine level.
An inexpensive way to get started in that is to use the "scary sharp"
system, which uses sandpaper or similar abrasives, with sheet of flat
glass and a honing guide. But over the long haul I have switched to a
grinder and waterstones because sandpaper quickly wears out.
>> Jim W.