LS

Larry Spitz

02/01/2008 1:42 PM

How to select Shaker museums

I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
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I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings for
15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones.

Does anyone have particular favorites? Or better yet a web site or other
resource that compares museums as to their quality,
diversity/specialization, presentation, etc.

Extra points for a selection of two or three that are relatively near one
another and that together give a broad spectrum overview of the design and
construction of furniture.

My current principal interest is in casework rather than chairs, etc. but I
have never seen a piece of Shaker furniture that was not interesting at
some level.

Any help or pointers appreciated.

Larry
Nelson, New Zealand


This topic has 22 replies

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

01/01/2008 9:18 PM


"Larry Spitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
| ------------------
| I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
| visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings for
| 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones.

In my neck of the woods...

Hancock Shaker Village and the Shaker Museum And Library are close to each
other and are wonderful...

http://www.hancockshakervillage.org/accounts/28/homepage/ many buildings and
exhibits. The round stone barn is probably the best known.

http://www.shakermuseumandlibrary.org/ if you like old woodworking machines
this one has a wonderful collection

Mt Lebanon is right there too but is currently closed... the web site
doesn't indicate when it will reopen. The Museum and Library has a lot of Mt
Lebanon items.

http://mountlebanonshakervillage.org\

There are some other Shaker sites in the area too (Colonie NY) but they are
smaller in size and scope.

http://www.shakerheritage.org/

All of these sites are within an hour of each other and in some cases
closer...

John


LS

Larry Spitz

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

03/01/2008 2:20 PM

J T wrote:

> Wed, Jan 2, 2008, 1:42pm (EST+18) From: [email protected] (Larry Spitz)
> I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
> ------------------
> I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
> visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings
> for 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones. <snip>
>
> Hmm, do you think it might help to tell people just where in the
> States you plan to visit? Details.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> If you can read this you're in range.

I have lots of flexibility so it's more a question of where do I want to go
to find the most attractive/interesting things to see. This trip is very
much in the early planning stages.

JJ

in reply to Larry Spitz on 03/01/2008 2:20 PM

02/01/2008 9:31 PM

Thu, Jan 3, 2008, 2:20pm (EST+18) [email protected] (Larry=A0Spitz) doth
explaineth:
I have lots of flexibility so it's more a question of where do I want to
go to find the most attractive/interesting things to see. This trip is
very much in the early planning stages.

Ah. In that case, best I can com up with is the Smithsonian
museum, if you get to Washington, D.C. Not much shaker stuff (if any,
been years since I've been there), but loads of other interesting stuff.
Best time to visit is winter, less tourists. LOL Have fun.



JOAT
You can't always judge by appearances, the early bird may have been up
all night.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 5:27 PM


"Larry Spitz" wrote:

> I have lots of flexibility so it's more a question of where do I
want to go
> to find the most attractive/interesting things to see. This trip is
very
> much in the early planning stages.

My guess is if you stay within 200-300 miles of the East coast shore
line and North of Washington DC, you will hit at least 80% of the
places you would want to visit.

Lew

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 10:01 PM


"Maxwell Lol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| Nova <[email protected]> writes:
|
| > Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York
|
| I've been to this one. I think this was the first.
|
| There are a lot of buildings still existing. One of the buildings is
| open furing the weekly craftfairs - they have a store, and a few
| specialized rooms/exhibits - like a room used to make brooms/besoms.
|
| According to
| http://www.shakerheritage.org/calendar.htm
| tours can be arraigned if you have 10 people ($3 a person).
| I'm not sure if a $30 will let one person get a tour.
|
| http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/shaker/wat.htm
| lists when they are open.
|
|
| This fall they auctioned some wood stored in the barn for 80 years. The
| wood was planks - variety of woods and widths. Some were 10+ inches
| wide. Wish I had storage and money. (sniff).

The main part of my woodworking club meets at this site each month. The wood
auction was my club's annual wood auction... are you a member of NWA?


JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

03/01/2008 8:27 PM


"Maxwell Lol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> writes:
|
| > | This fall they auctioned some wood stored in the barn for 80 years.
The
| > | wood was planks - variety of woods and widths. Some were 10+ inches
| > | wide. Wish I had storage and money. (sniff).
| >
| > The main part of my woodworking club meets at this site each month. The
wood
| > auction was my club's annual wood auction... are you a member of NWA?
|
| No - just the woodturners group.

Oh... I'm involved with the NWA Showcase Committee and am treasurer for the
Mid-Hudson Chapter of NWA... was treasurer for Kaatskill Woodturners
Association for a couple years too but running three sets of books (the
Hurley shop too) was TOO MUCH! LOL

LS

Larry Spitz

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

05/01/2008 2:33 PM

Many thanks to all who have answered my questions.

Cheers,

Larry
Larry Spitz wrote

> Any help or pointers appreciated.

jj

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 10:24 AM

...
>... I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
> visit two or three Shaker museums....

> Does anyone have particular favorites? Or better yet a web site

Hancock Shaker Village is my favorite.

http://www.shakerworkshops.com/shaker-villages-and-museums/hancock-shaker-village.htm

> My current principal interest is in casework rather than chairs

Hancock has a rich array of all aspects of their crafts.

> Any help or pointers appreciated.

Have a good trip.

Joel

JJ

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

01/01/2008 8:17 PM

Wed, Jan 2, 2008, 1:42pm (EST+18) From: [email protected] (Larry=A0Spitz)
I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
------------------
I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings
for 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones. <snip>

Hmm, do you think it might help to tell people just where in the
States you plan to visit? Details.



JOAT
If you can read this you're in range.

hh

henry

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 4:44 AM

Link for the Enfield NH one is http://www.shakermuseum.org/. The
Hancock one is number one to visit.

ML

Maxwell Lol

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

03/01/2008 12:30 PM

"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> writes:

> | This fall they auctioned some wood stored in the barn for 80 years. The
> | wood was planks - variety of woods and widths. Some were 10+ inches
> | wide. Wish I had storage and money. (sniff).
>
> The main part of my woodworking club meets at this site each month. The wood
> auction was my club's annual wood auction... are you a member of NWA?

No - just the woodturners group.

ML

Maxwell Lol

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

01/01/2008 11:03 PM

Nova <[email protected]> writes:

> Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York

I've been to this one. I think this was the first.

There are a lot of buildings still existing. One of the buildings is
open furing the weekly craftfairs - they have a store, and a few
specialized rooms/exhibits - like a room used to make brooms/besoms.

According to
http://www.shakerheritage.org/calendar.htm
tours can be arraigned if you have 10 people ($3 a person).
I'm not sure if a $30 will let one person get a tour.

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/shaker/wat.htm
lists when they are open.


This fall they auctioned some wood stored in the barn for 80 years. The
wood was planks - variety of woods and widths. Some were 10+ inches
wide. Wish I had storage and money. (sniff).

LG

"Lee Gordon"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 12:14 AM

<<Hancock Shaker Village - Pittsfield, Massachusetts
Tyringham Shaker Settlement Historic District - Tyringham, Massachusetts
Enfield Shakers Historic District -- Enfield, Connecticut
Mount Lebanon Shaker Society -- New Lebanon, New York
Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York>>

The Enfield Shakers Historic District is in Enfield, New Hampshire, not
Enfield, Connecticut.

I think the Hancock Shaker Village should be the cornerstone of any
itinerary. Then it's just a matter of deciding how many other sites to
visit and how much travel time between locations is desirable. One other
place to consider, while not exclusively Shaker, is the Fruitlands Museum in
Harvard, Massachusetts. Among other exhibits, it has a good Shaker
collection.

Lee


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Nova

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 4:47 PM

Lee Gordon wrote:

>
> The Enfield Shakers Historic District is in Enfield, New Hampshire, not
> Enfield, Connecticut.
>

The Enfield Historical Society, Inc.
1294 Enfield Street
P.O. Box 586
Enfield, CT 06083 USA
Phone (860) 745-1729

http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSShaker.html

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

LH

"Lowell Holmes"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 2:01 AM


"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jLBej.7613$tK5.5736@trndny03...
> Larry Spitz wrote:
>> I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
>> ------------------
>> I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
>> visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings for
>> 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones.
>>
>
> These are all within about 50 miles of each other:
>
> Hancock Shaker Village - Pittsfield, Massachusetts
> Tyringham Shaker Settlement Historic District - Tyringham, Massachusetts
> Enfield Shakers Historic District -- Enfield, Connecticut
> Mount Lebanon Shaker Society -- New Lebanon, New York
> Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]

The one I saw was Canterbury, New Hampshire.

If you are in the area, the Rhode Island School of Design has a major
collection of 18th century furniture. They have secretaries that are valued
in the millions of dollars. The school is in Providence, Rhode Island.

Nn

Nova

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 7:41 PM

J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>>The Enfield Historical Society, Inc.
>>1294 Enfield Street
>>P.O. Box 586
>>Enfield, CT 06083 USA
>>Phone (860) 745-1729
>>
>>http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSShaker.html
>
>
> Which has zip all to do with "The Enfield Shakers Historic District"
> and has little to offer anyone interested in Shaker furnishings.
> Most of it is the state prison and the Lego warehouse now.
>

"The Enfield, Connecticut Shaker settlement The Shakers are gone from
Enfield, but their presence is still felt. Many items from the Enfield
Shakers are displayed at the Old Town Hall, including boxes, clothes,
furniture, and even a gravestone and horse-drawn hearse!"

The Old Town Hall Museum
1294 Enfield Street (Route 5)
Enfield, CT USA

http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSoth.html

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

01/01/2008 8:42 PM

Nova wrote:
> Larry Spitz wrote:
>> I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
>> ------------------
>> I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would
>> like
>> to visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see
>> listings for 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones.
>>
>
> These are all within about 50 miles of each other:
>
> Hancock Shaker Village - Pittsfield, Massachusetts
> Tyringham Shaker Settlement Historic District - Tyringham,
> Massachusetts

> Enfield Shakers Historic District -- Enfield,
> Connecticut

Been living in Enfield for 25 years and this is the first I've heard
of that one. Will have to walk through and take some pictures next
time the weather's good. But it's not exactly a "museum"--all the
remaining buildings are supposedly private residences and not open to
the public.

> Mount Lebanon Shaker Society -- New Lebanon, New York
> Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York

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JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 1:14 PM

Nova wrote:
> Lee Gordon wrote:
>
>>
>> The Enfield Shakers Historic District is in Enfield, New Hampshire,
>> not Enfield, Connecticut.
>>
>
> The Enfield Historical Society, Inc.
> 1294 Enfield Street
> P.O. Box 586
> Enfield, CT 06083 USA
> Phone (860) 745-1729
>
> http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSShaker.html

Which has zip all to do with "The Enfield Shakers Historic District"
and has little to offer anyone interested in Shaker furnishings.
Most of it is the state prison and the Lego warehouse now.

--
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
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JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 3:22 PM

Nova wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Enfield Historical Society, Inc.
>>> 1294 Enfield Street
>>> P.O. Box 586
>>> Enfield, CT 06083 USA
>>> Phone (860) 745-1729
>>>
>>> http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSShaker.html
>>
>>
>> Which has zip all to do with "The Enfield Shakers Historic
>> District"
>> and has little to offer anyone interested in Shaker furnishings.
>> Most of it is the state prison and the Lego warehouse now.
>>
>
> "The Enfield, Connecticut Shaker settlement The Shakers are gone
> from
> Enfield, but their presence is still felt. Many items from the
> Enfield Shakers are displayed at the Old Town Hall, including boxes,
> clothes, furniture, and even a gravestone and horse-drawn hearse!"
>
> The Old Town Hall Museum
> 1294 Enfield Street (Route 5)
> Enfield, CT USA
>
> http://home.att.net/~mkm-of-enfct/EHS/EHSoth.html

The "Museum" in question is about 2 hours a week for 6 months out of
the year.

Why are you so determined to sell this? There are many towns that
have had Shakers in residence. The OP wanted to know the _best_ and
Enfield CT is not one of them.

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JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

07/01/2008 2:20 PM

Took a ride down Cybulski Road today (supposedly all the Shaker
activity was along Cybulski, Taylor, and Shaker roads). Short street,
ends at the gates entrance to the Lego warehouse. Right almost
abutting the Lego parking lot were three buildings, one I'm pretty
sure was original Shaker. On the left was what looked like a typical
local house, on the right near the road was a large brick building
that looked much like the drawings and photos I've seen of Shaker
buildings. There were numerous electric meters suggesting that it has
been subdivided into apartments. Farther from the road on the right
was a wood frame building in similar style. There were signs
"uninvited visitors are not welcome" and the like, so I didn't
investigate further. None of them appeared to be in particularly good
condition. I didn't have my camera on me. Another day I may make
another trip with camera.

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Nn

Nova

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

02/01/2008 1:26 AM

Larry Spitz wrote:
> I inadvertently posted this to apbw, when I meant to post here.
> ------------------
> I am planning a trip to the US in the northern summer and would like to
> visit two or three Shaker museums. The problem is that I see listings for
> 15 and I don't know how to pick the "best" ones.
>

These are all within about 50 miles of each other:

Hancock Shaker Village - Pittsfield, Massachusetts
Tyringham Shaker Settlement Historic District - Tyringham, Massachusetts
Enfield Shakers Historic District -- Enfield, Connecticut
Mount Lebanon Shaker Society -- New Lebanon, New York
Watervliet Shaker Historic District -- Albany, New York

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to Larry Spitz on 02/01/2008 1:42 PM

01/01/2008 9:36 PM


"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Enfield Shakers Historic District -- Enfield,
>> Connecticut
>
> Been living in Enfield for 25 years and this is the first I've heard
> of that one. Will have to walk through and take some pictures next
> time the weather's good. But it's not exactly a "museum"--all the
> remaining buildings are supposedly private residences and not open to
> the public.

Be sure to post if you do. I get to Enfield (to buy wood) on occasion and
I've never seen it either.


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