I half way expected to see "free super saver shipping", but no such luck. I
have to agree, no advantage here. Deal directly with Grizzly.
Montyhp
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One more layer of bureaucracy? Good? You in government?
>
> Another voicemail jail, another ignoramus who can say (legitimately) "I
> don't know about that...."
>
> "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
>
I would get the 65" (G1018HW) vs the 75". All they do is give you 2 5"
casts to screw on the the ends of the 65" and I had to have 3 sets of casts
sent before I got some that lined up.
Also, they forgot to tap the screw holes and give me the screws.
My 2 cents,
Just Dave
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> thanks,
>
> david
>
David,
Might be worth mentioning that Amazon takes 8% off the sell price as well.
(might be a different negotiation % with Grizzly).
Roger
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> thanks,
>
> david
>
"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
> would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
> Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
> your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
> I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sucker!
> help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn WA
> "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > david
> >
>
I bought the Grizzly G0500 and had no such problems. It works like a champ
and I really like it. I would buy it again!
-Mike
"Just Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I would get the 65" (G1018HW) vs the 75". All they do is give you 2 5"
> casts to screw on the the ends of the 65" and I had to have 3 sets of
casts
> sent before I got some that lined up.
>
> Also, they forgot to tap the screw holes and give me the screws.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Just Dave
>
>
> "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > david
> >
>
>
Roger,
Do you mean that Amazon gets an 8% commission on the sale? Almost sounds
like you saying that Amazon gives an 8% discount on the sale.
I just purchased a Grizzly GW1018HW after comparison, I decided to order
direct from Grizzly. Didn't see any advantage of getting Amazon in the
middle. I didn't think to ask for a discount because they weren't having to
give up the 8% to Amazon.
BTW, the GW1018HW is a nice machine. I've had a little trouble aligning and
tensioning the belts. But the machine runs well and gives good cuts.
Darrell
"Roger Linston" <rogerl@[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David,
> Might be worth mentioning that Amazon takes 8% off the sell price as well.
> (might be a different negotiation % with Grizzly).
>
>
> Roger
>
>
> "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > david
> >
>
>
Chill, dude. A little tongue in cheek. I am a little bit tech heavy too.
I dollar cost average into broad markets, but then, I have a fairly long
time horizon. Most of my recent investments have been in big iron;-}
Montyhp
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Ypf%b.398233$I06.4346025@attbi_s01...
> I didn't say I bought it in 1999 though and most stocks are seriously
> depressed from 1999. Owning a volatile stock carries more risk, but also
> more potential gain. That's a personal choice as to how much risk one is
> willing to take so it's tough to take sides on which is "right". My
> question was to Montyhp though who seemed to think I was a sucker for
owning
> Amazon stock. I was curious what he thought was better. I'm still
curious.
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:00:57 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots
of
> > >upside potential.
> >
> > What was it in 1999?
> >
> > I seem to remember Amazon.com selling in the hundreds.
> >
> > Barry
>
Congrats on 10 to 43 in 2 years. That is about as far from low risk as you
can get.
Montyhp
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3zb%b.411828$na.797978@attbi_s04...
> You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
> upside potential. What do you suggest Montyhp as a reasonably low risk
> investment that has done better over that time and will continue to do so?
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
> > > would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure
on
> > > Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response
to
> > > your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly
is
> > > I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want
to
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Sucker!
> >
> > > help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry C in Auburn WA
> > > "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > > > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give
me
> > > > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or
quality
> > > > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > david
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
So then why don't you post the super secret phone number? This way we an
call when we have issues....
"jegan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> david <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com
> shipping: it sucks.
>
> I ordered a Unisaw in January '04 from Amazon.com because the price
> was slightly cheaper than other places and the shipping was free and I
> previously had been impressed with how quickly Amazon.com could get
> items delivered.
>
> The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a
> couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also
> wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the
> truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being
> delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck.
> Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and
> I'll get right on it.
>
> The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange
> for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to
> talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com
> knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous
> (increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping
> company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate
> delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate
> of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so
> difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)
>
> Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone
> (the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and
> finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing
> to pay the extra $25.
>
> After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any
> large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being
> clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had
> numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them
> (except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for
> lift-gate service.
> --
> Jim
You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
upside potential. What do you suggest Montyhp as a reasonably low risk
investment that has done better over that time and will continue to do so?
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
> > would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
> > Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
> > your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
> > I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Sucker!
>
> > help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
> >
> > --
> > Larry C in Auburn WA
> > "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> > > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> > > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> > > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > david
> > >
> >
>
>
One more layer of bureaucracy? Good? You in government?
Another voicemail jail, another ignoramus who can say (legitimately) "I
don't know about that...."
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
thanks for the reply...the G0500 also has a 2 HP motor instead of 1 1/2,
and 4 blades instead of three in the cutterhead. how much of an
advantage do you think that would be?
This is my first jointer purchase...
david
Just Dave wrote:
> I would get the 65" (G1018HW) vs the 75". All they do is give you 2 5"
> casts to screw on the the ends of the 65" and I had to have 3 sets of casts
> sent before I got some that lined up.
>
> Also, they forgot to tap the screw holes and give me the screws.
>
> My 2 cents,
>
> Just Dave
>
extra blade would mean extra weight though meaning more power to spin the
blade. then again the extra weight (momentum) would mean that it would be
harder to bog down.
interesting thoughts
--
Young Carpenter
"Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money,
plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended"
{Put the fiddler back "on" the roof to reply}
--
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:45:42 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >the extra blade will just about use up the extra HP, so the load on
> >the motor will be more or less the same.
>
> Wouldn't an extra blade *reduce* the load? Only one cutter is in
> contact with the wood at any given time, so the determining factor is
> the size of the cut. With 4 cutters each one is taking a smaller bite
> (assuming same rate of feed and depth of cut) so should require less
> power to remove the same total amount of wood.
>
> Just my wild guesswork, but I can't see how a 4 knife cutterhead could
> possibly require more power than a 3 knife head.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<3zb%b.411828$na.797978@attbi_s04>...
> You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
> upside potential.
Correct on the first point; probably incorrect as to their upside
potential. If you look at their sales expectations, etc. as compared
to the stock price, you'll see that the current stock price relfects
almost insanely optimistic future forecasts. That's not usually the
sign of a stock with lots of upside potential.
There's an interesting recent article on Amazon's stock on the Motley
Fool website; you might want to have a look. I think that even if you
assume Amazon will continue to be successful (and there's plenty of
good reason to think that), their stock is still way overvalued by
most measures.
PQ
david <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
Same price with shipping and/or taxes? Is Amazon giving any special
deals with this? If all other things are equal, I'd probably get it
from Grizzly.
Last week I placed an order from Grizzly via Amazon.
I placed the order late Tuesday morning and I had
the order on my doorstep Thursday afternoon. One
of the items I ordered was a can of some spray dry-lube
that I was very disatisfied with. I called Grizzly
on Monday and they agreed to refund my money and told
me not to bother sending the can back. This morning
I received an email from Amazon stating that they'd
refunded the money to my credit card. The order came
from over 800 miles away and got here in 3 days from
the time I placed the order with standard UPS shipping.
How much faster should they be? They refunded my
money and didn't make me hassle with returning the
product. (Ok, what are they gonna do with the crappy
spray lube?) I didn't see any actual *advantage* from
ordering through Amazon except that I was already on
their website searching for some products and I didn't
have to go to Grizzly's website. I don't like trying to
navigate Grizzly's site anyway. I've had similar
experiences with regards to fast service when ordering
from other companies via Amazon.
Bruce
Redding, Ca.
Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> Yup. I once ordered some odds-n-ends from Griz via Amazon. Seemed to take
> a day or two simply for the order to get relayed from Amazon to Griz.
> Nothing bad happened, I received the order OK. But there was no advantage
> either.
[email protected] (jegan) wrote in message >
> I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com
> shipping: it sucks.
>
I've never ordered anything large from Amazon but many
smaller orders have always been delivered without any
problems.
> The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a
> couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also
> wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the
> truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being
> delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck.
> Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and
> I'll get right on it.
>
This is pretty standard proceedure. Most delivery trucks don't have
lift gates because they deliver to businesses that *do* have forklifts.
I've worked in the trucking/delivery business and in the shipping and
receiving business and this is the way it is. For the majority of
their deliveries a lift gate is useless and some liftgates actually
get in the way of a forklift. How many 500LB packages do most trucks
deliver to private residences? Not many. They charge extra because
it costs extra to schedule a truck with a liftgate. The driver will
sometimes have to do more work too. Ever try to maneuver a heavy
pallet with a pallet jack on an uneven liftgate? If the gate isn't
very flat it sucks. I've done it many times and the extra charge
is there for a good reason.
> The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange
> for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to
> talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com
> knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous
> (increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping
> company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate
> delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate
> of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so
> difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)
>
$92 is way more than I've ever paid or charged. $25 to $50 is more
like it but I guess it depends on the company. If the trucking
company doesn't have a local terminal then the long haul truck
has to have a lift gate or they have to arrange with a local company
to deliver it to your house from their loading dock. That might
explain the $92 extra charge. Or, the trucking company is a crook...
> Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone
> (the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and
> finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing
> to pay the extra $25.
>
Would you mind posting that "super secret" phone number, please???
> After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any
> large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being
> clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had
> numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them
> (except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for
> lift-gate service.
I've never had a problem that Amazon didn't handle immediately. Ok,
so I've only had one problem but it was handled right away.
Some motor carriers won't charge for a lift gate if they use them
a lot. But when I worked for a large plumbing and HVAC supply
company very few of the trucks that delivered to us had lift gates
and I'd see many of them on my route delivering to private
residences. Heave Ho!!!
Bruce
Redding, Ca.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:50:05 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>for a given depth of cut the amount of work done at a given feed rate
>is the same. (well, almost. we'll ignore the wood not removed in the
>high points of the scallops) the finish will be smoother and the load
>on the motor will be more evenly distributed through the revolution.
>
>if we take this thought experiment to an extreme and consider a cutter
>head with say 50 knives- assume it somehow can eject it's chips just
>fine- intuition says that having so many blades engaged at once is
>going to require more horsepower no matter how small a cut each is
>taking.
If you reach a point where more than one cutter at a time is in
contact with the wood you will see an increase in power requirement,
but on a jointer you would need to get to a *lot* of blades to reach
that point. Assume a 4" dia. cutterhead and a 1/8" cut, how many
cutters would it take to get even two of them in contact with the wood
simultaneously?
Note that spiral head jointers and planers actually *do* require more
power because there are cutters constantly in contact with the wood.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Larry C" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
: To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
: would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
: Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
: your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
: I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
: help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
:
Only if you use SBC telephone service or products made by Honeywell, or bank with Citibank.....
To answer your first question, I don't see how ordering from Amazon
would provide more protection other than Amazon "could" put pressure on
Grizzly if something went wrong, but I doubt they would. In response to
your second question, the reason to order from Amazon and not Grizzly is
I have Amazon stock, but I don't have stock in Grizzly. You do want to
help out a fellow woodworker, don't you...
--
Larry C in Auburn WA
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> thanks,
>
> david
>
I'm cool but the drive-by "sucker" statement made me wonder why you felt
that way. It's been a good performer the last year so I figured you
must have a reason why you think it's poor stock to own. Even though I
lost mucho during the market downturn I still favor stocks with lots of
potential (higher risk). But hey, there are no fouls in a newsgroup so
I'm fine, sorry if my last note didn't come across that way.
--
Larry C in Auburn WA
"Montyhp" <montyhp at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Chill, dude. A little tongue in cheek. I am a little bit tech heavy
too.
> I dollar cost average into broad markets, but then, I have a fairly
long
> time horizon. Most of my recent investments have been in big iron;-}
>
> Montyhp
> "Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Ypf%b.398233$I06.4346025@attbi_s01...
> > I didn't say I bought it in 1999 though and most stocks are
seriously
> > depressed from 1999. Owning a volatile stock carries more risk, but
also
> > more potential gain. That's a personal choice as to how much risk
one is
> > willing to take so it's tough to take sides on which is "right". My
> > question was to Montyhp though who seemed to think I was a sucker
for
> owning
> > Amazon stock. I was curious what he thought was better. I'm still
> curious.
> >
> > --
> > Larry C in Auburn, WA
> >
> > "B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:00:57 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has
lots
> of
> > > >upside potential.
> > >
> > > What was it in 1999?
> > >
> > > I seem to remember Amazon.com selling in the hundreds.
> > >
> > > Barry
> >
>
>
Whew!! Definitely wouldn't do that (order from Amazon). I've had to call
both Grizzly and Amazon before for help. Grizzly satisfactorily helped me
(wrong motor on my bandsaw, after spending an hour with me to try and see if
it would work they finally sent me a new one). Amazon on the other hand
basically told me to stick my complaint where the sun don't shine (well,
that's how I felt anyway -- in any case they didn't help me, wouldn't refund
my money, and said too bad).
I still order from both companies, but from Amazon I only order stuff that I
won't go crazy over if it's not right (i.e. < $100 purchases only) because I
don't expect any help at all.
My 2cents.
Mike
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> thanks,
>
> david
>
It couldn't be to secret. A friend of mine worked at an Amazon call center
up until a couple of weeks ago. They were plenty busy.
"jegan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Just Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > So then why don't you post the super secret phone number? This way we
an
> > call when we have issues....
>
> Geez, I thought you guys new everything and already knew the phone
> number! <g>
>
> I don't have it any more. Besides, they probably changed it once they
> found out that a customer knows it.
> --
> Jim
I didn't say I bought it in 1999 though and most stocks are seriously
depressed from 1999. Owning a volatile stock carries more risk, but also
more potential gain. That's a personal choice as to how much risk one is
willing to take so it's tough to take sides on which is "right". My
question was to Montyhp though who seemed to think I was a sucker for owning
Amazon stock. I was curious what he thought was better. I'm still curious.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"B a r r y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:00:57 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
> >upside potential.
>
> What was it in 1999?
>
> I seem to remember Amazon.com selling in the hundreds.
>
> Barry
In my opinion, ordering from Amazon adds no added value protection regarding
the build quality or shipping. Shipping problems are passed to the shipper.
Quality problems are passed to the manufacturer. Amazon does a good job of
arranging returns - not the solution you want for a missing part or poor
quality part. You have to go back to Grizzly for that. Price and
availability are the only reasons to go with Amazon. I find that I buy less
and less from them.
Bob
"david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> thanks,
>
> david
>
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:25:36 GMT, david <[email protected]>
wrote:
>thanks for the reply...the G0500 also has a 2 HP motor instead of 1 1/2,
>and 4 blades instead of three in the cutterhead. how much of an
>advantage do you think that would be?
>
>This is my first jointer purchase...
>
>david
the extra blade will just about use up the extra HP, so the load on
the motor will be more or less the same. you should get a slightly
better cut and have a slightly more complex knife setting experience.
I'd say go for it.
>
> each tooth needs muscle behind it to do "work"- removing wood. having
> more cutters places them closer together, which gives a smoother
> surface, but also means more work being done per revolution, which
> means you need more horsepower to maintain the same feed rate.
> Bridger
No. Assuming the same cutterhead RPM and table offset are the same. Each
knife (on a 4-cutterhead jointer) takes 3/4 if the "bite" if the
3-cutterhead knife.
3/4*bite * 4bites/t = 1bite * 3 bites/t
Since the bites are smaller (shallower) the finish would be smoother.
Personally I'm not convinced that it's really relevant. To get a smooth
surface, increase t (slow down your feed rate) on the last pass.
Alternatively you could set your infeed table a bit higher for the last
pass, but just controlling the feed rate on the last pass is alot less fuss.
-Steve
david <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
> same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
> an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
> disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com
shipping: it sucks.
I ordered a Unisaw in January '04 from Amazon.com because the price
was slightly cheaper than other places and the shipping was free and I
previously had been impressed with how quickly Amazon.com could get
items delivered.
The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a
couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also
wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the
truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being
delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck.
Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and
I'll get right on it.
The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange
for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to
talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com
knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous
(increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping
company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate
delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate
of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so
difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)
Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone
(the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and
finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing
to pay the extra $25.
After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any
large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being
clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had
numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them
(except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for
lift-gate service.
--
Jim
"Just Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> So then why don't you post the super secret phone number? This way we an
> call when we have issues....
Geez, I thought you guys new everything and already knew the phone
number! <g>
I don't have it any more. Besides, they probably changed it once they
found out that a customer knows it.
--
Jim
I have had a number of heavy items shipped to my house by motor
freight. The Unisaw was the only time I have ever had to specifically
get involved and request lift-gate delivery. Every other time it was
automatic. The shipper that brought my saw was used one time before
without any problem.
My gripe with Amazon.com is that their customer service department
wouldn't acknowledge that they could even arrange for lift-gate
service. I had to communicate with them six times before I could get
them to help resolve the issue.
This is the only time I have had a problem with their service. I
ordered my saw from them primarily because of the high quality service
that I had received in the past. I will not use Amazon.com for any
large items like this again.
After my problem with Amazon.com I called woodworker.com and asked how
they would ship a Unisaw. The wonderful and very helpful woman I
talked to explained that they ALWAYS deliver heavy items as lift-gate
deliveries and the shipping cost was no different.
--
Jim
[email protected] (Bruce) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (jegan) wrote in message >
> > I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com
> > shipping: it sucks.
> >
>
>
> I've never ordered anything large from Amazon but many
> smaller orders have always been delivered without any
> problems.
>
>
>
> > The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a
> > couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also
> > wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the
> > truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being
> > delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck.
> > Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and
> > I'll get right on it.
> >
>
> This is pretty standard proceedure. Most delivery trucks don't have
> lift gates because they deliver to businesses that *do* have forklifts.
> I've worked in the trucking/delivery business and in the shipping and
> receiving business and this is the way it is. For the majority of
> their deliveries a lift gate is useless and some liftgates actually
> get in the way of a forklift. How many 500LB packages do most trucks
> deliver to private residences? Not many. They charge extra because
> it costs extra to schedule a truck with a liftgate. The driver will
> sometimes have to do more work too. Ever try to maneuver a heavy
> pallet with a pallet jack on an uneven liftgate? If the gate isn't
> very flat it sucks. I've done it many times and the extra charge
> is there for a good reason.
>
>
>
> > The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange
> > for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to
> > talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com
> > knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous
> > (increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping
> > company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate
> > delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate
> > of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so
> > difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)
> >
>
> $92 is way more than I've ever paid or charged. $25 to $50 is more
> like it but I guess it depends on the company. If the trucking
> company doesn't have a local terminal then the long haul truck
> has to have a lift gate or they have to arrange with a local company
> to deliver it to your house from their loading dock. That might
> explain the $92 extra charge. Or, the trucking company is a crook...
>
>
> > Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone
> > (the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and
> > finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing
> > to pay the extra $25.
> >
>
> Would you mind posting that "super secret" phone number, please???
>
>
> > After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any
> > large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being
> > clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had
> > numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them
> > (except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for
> > lift-gate service.
>
> I've never had a problem that Amazon didn't handle immediately. Ok,
> so I've only had one problem but it was handled right away.
> Some motor carriers won't charge for a lift gate if they use them
> a lot. But when I worked for a large plumbing and HVAC supply
> company very few of the trucks that delivered to us had lift gates
> and I'd see many of them on my route delivering to private
> residences. Heave Ho!!!
>
> Bruce
> Redding, Ca.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It couldn't be to secret. A friend of mine worked at an Amazon call center
> up until a couple of weeks ago. They were plenty busy.
If you try to find a customer service phone number on their web site
it is hard to do. They seem to want all correspondence by email.
--
Jim
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:12:46 -0800, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:45:42 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>the extra blade will just about use up the extra HP, so the load on
>>the motor will be more or less the same.
>
>Wouldn't an extra blade *reduce* the load? Only one cutter is in
>contact with the wood at any given time, so the determining factor is
>the size of the cut. With 4 cutters each one is taking a smaller bite
>(assuming same rate of feed and depth of cut) so should require less
>power to remove the same total amount of wood.
>
>Just my wild guesswork, but I can't see how a 4 knife cutterhead could
>possibly require more power than a 3 knife head.
>
>Tim Douglass
>
>http://www.DouglassClan.com
each tooth needs muscle behind it to do "work"- removing wood. having
more cutters places them closer together, which gives a smoother
surface, but also means more work being done per revolution, which
means you need more horsepower to maintain the same feed rate.
Bridger
You're right. Not thinking I guess. He was doing email. Yes, he did say that
the company wanted to keep everything to email.
"jegan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > It couldn't be to secret. A friend of mine worked at an Amazon call
center
> > up until a couple of weeks ago. They were plenty busy.
>
> If you try to find a customer service phone number on their web site
> it is hard to do. They seem to want all correspondence by email.
> --
> Jim
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:14:55 -0500, "Stephen M"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> each tooth needs muscle behind it to do "work"- removing wood. having
>> more cutters places them closer together, which gives a smoother
>> surface, but also means more work being done per revolution, which
>> means you need more horsepower to maintain the same feed rate.
>> Bridger
>
>No. Assuming the same cutterhead RPM and table offset are the same. Each
>knife (on a 4-cutterhead jointer) takes 3/4 if the "bite" if the
>3-cutterhead knife.
>
>3/4*bite * 4bites/t = 1bite * 3 bites/t
>
>Since the bites are smaller (shallower) the finish would be smoother.
>Personally I'm not convinced that it's really relevant. To get a smooth
>surface, increase t (slow down your feed rate) on the last pass.
>
>Alternatively you could set your infeed table a bit higher for the last
>pass, but just controlling the feed rate on the last pass is alot less fuss.
>
>-Steve
>
got to thinking more and of course you're right.
for a given depth of cut the amount of work done at a given feed rate
is the same. (well, almost. we'll ignore the wood not removed in the
high points of the scallops) the finish will be smoother and the load
on the motor will be more evenly distributed through the revolution.
if we take this thought experiment to an extreme and consider a cutter
head with say 50 knives- assume it somehow can eject it's chips just
fine- intuition says that having so many blades engaged at once is
going to require more horsepower no matter how small a cut each is
taking.
Bridger
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 06:45:35 -0500, Montyhp wrote:
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> One more layer of bureaucracy? Good? You in government?
>>
>> Another voicemail jail, another ignoramus who can say (legitimately) "I
>> don't know about that...."
>>
>> "david" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
>> > same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
>> > an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
>> > disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
>
> I half way expected to see "free super saver shipping", but no such
> luck. I have to agree, no advantage here. Deal directly with Grizzly.
Yup. I once ordered some odds-n-ends from Griz via Amazon. Seemed to take
a day or two simply for the order to get relayed from Amazon to Griz.
Nothing bad happened, I received the order OK. But there was no advantage
either.
--
Joe Wells
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:00:57 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You think so? Amazon has gone from 10 to 43 in two years and has lots of
>upside potential.
What was it in 1999?
I seem to remember Amazon.com selling in the hundreds.
Barry
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:45:42 -0700, Bridger <[email protected]> wrote:
>the extra blade will just about use up the extra HP, so the load on
>the motor will be more or less the same.
Wouldn't an extra blade *reduce* the load? Only one cutter is in
contact with the wood at any given time, so the determining factor is
the size of the cut. With 4 cutters each one is taking a smaller bite
(assuming same rate of feed and depth of cut) so should require less
power to remove the same total amount of wood.
Just my wild guesswork, but I can't see how a 4 knife cutterhead could
possibly require more power than a 3 knife head.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com