OT - the fun and games of "upgrading" (computerwise)

Doug Winterburn wrote:

> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Han wrote:
>>
>>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>>>> version.
>>>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
>>>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat
>>>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much
>>>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
>>>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't
>>>> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>>>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>>>
>>> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>>>
>>> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I
>>> discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to
>>> switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to
>>> get my money's worth out of it!
>>>
>>> Nobody using emulators yet?
>>>
>>
>> I do use CrossoverOffice (a WINE wrapper). For some things it works
>> well:
>> TreePad, Quicktime, Lotus 123 (yes, I still have a few 123 spreadsheets,
>> and TaxAct. For other things not so well. Thus far I have found that it
>> won't load TurboCAD (I went with VariCAD under Linux), H&R Block TaxCut
>> (too bad, that was what I started using when TurboTax implemented their
>> spyware activation scheme), or MindManager.
>>
>> I used TaxAct in Crossover Office this year for taxes, it worked, but I
>> was a bit more skeptical of the results than with TaxCut. Don't remember
>> all of the details, but there were a couple state forms that I knew I had
>> to complete, but TaxAct missed. I was able to force TaxAct to fill them
>> out, but that is not optimal.
>>
>> Haven't tried the Msoft Office products under Crossover, I'm using
>> OpenOffice at home.
>>
>> You can find what they do and don't support at www.codeweavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I've been using vmware-server (under linux) for almost a year and you
> can run most versions of windoze if you already have a license and linux
> and solaris 10. No rebooting to run any win app you might need, just
> boot up your virtual machine and have at it - in fact as many virtual
> machines as you might need. Real memory is the key, and I've put 4GB on
> several wintel machines for under $100 each. Virtual machine aren't
> emulators and run at your hardware rates if not memory bound. If your
> app ran on a non virtual machine, it will run on a virtual machine.

I looked into that; downside is that I would have to buy a Windows
license. My machine has Windows 2000 with no OS disk -- it's an
end-of-life machine that our company sells to employees when refreshing
desktops. The license is a legal license, but there is no recovery if the
machine has problems and also no disk that I can use to install into a
virtual machine. The price was right though and with OpenSuse Linux, a
three year old machine runs faster than most new machines with an Msoft OS.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

On May 13, 8:37=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote innews:[email protected]=
y.com:
>
>
>
> > Han wrote:
> >> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> >>news:[email protected]:
>
> >>> =A0 I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
> >>> =A0 version.
> >>> Advantages: =A0MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
> >>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is
> >>> somewhat
> >>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are
> >>> much
> >>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: =A0Some people
> >>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I
> >>> can't
> >>> say). =A0Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. =A0Checkout
> >>>www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>
> >> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>
> >> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked,
> >> so
> >> I discarded it. =A0I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the
> >> time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008,
> >> and have to get my money's worth out of it!
>
> >> Nobody using emulators yet?
>
> > Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you
> > can run Windows under an emulator. =A0And since the video system is
> > emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with
> > acceptable performance.
>
> > If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. =A0It is an attempt to
> > provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. =A0How well it works
> > depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't
> > supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine.
> > Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. =A0If you
> > want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to
> > run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum.
>
> I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken
> is the most important. =A0Since I am still employed, my work necessitates
> things like

Acrobat (not just reader),
the Office suite,

All Mac

On May 12, 1:01=A0pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
> I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
> that - or not. =A0This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to
> this group. =A0Once again my fingers are crossed.
>
> If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that
> does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the
> software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand,
> there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the
> world moves on. =A0
>
> I had unintentionally become a Computer System Neander
> - and the world was leaving me behind - as was Apple and
> Mac software. =A0My old Mac G3 purchased in 1997 or maybe
> it was '98, won't run the newest versions of my frequently
> used software, nor any of the "new stuff" - like SketchUP.
> And Netscape 3.0 (how Neander is THAT?) can't, or has
> trouble viewing the content of more and more web sites.
>
> SO - about three weeks ago - I headed down to the Apple
> Store and picked up a NEW Mac Mini - 6" x 6" x 2" - since
> I already had a flat screen display, keyboard and mouse.
> Five or six times faster and 1/30th the size of the old
> G3 - and it's so CUTE- silver gray sides and a white top
> -with a gray Apple Logo.
>
> What happened should be familiar to anyone who has
> bought one of those fancy "easy to use" dovetail or
> mortise and tenon jigs. =A0The Silver Tongued Devil
> who you saw demonstrate it made it look SO EASY,
> and so Idiot Proof, and so FAST and so ACCURATE.
>
> Then YOU buy it, set it up and use it - just like you
> think you remember The Silver Tongued Devil did
> at The Show. =A0That's when perception and reality
> often conflict.
>
> Despite what The Silver Tongued Devil said - or
> heavily implied, and despite what The Brochure
> would have you believe, and despite what the
> various "reviews" in the woodworking magazines
> would have you believe - this thing AIN'T intuitive
> to use, nor EASY, FAST and ACCURATE - until
> YOU learn to use it EXACTLY as the manufacturer
> intended for you to use it.
>
> With a computer system that's Stand Alone,
> migrating upward and learning a new User Interface
> (Apple's strong point) can be tricky. =A0Add in an
> Internet Service Provider, totally unfamiliar
> downloaded software and an A/B Box so you can
> switch the monitor from Old System to New
> System and back - and you may drop into
> The Twilight Zone.
>
> Seems while trying to "set up" the New Computer
> - and it's software, I somehow managed to screw
> up the Old Computer and it's mail and news settings.
> Suddenly, and mysteriously, I couldn't get to
> usenet news groups and couldn't send e-mail.
> Then I COULD get to usenet groups - but couldn't
> post messages - or send any e-mail.
>
> Only took a bit over a week to be able to at least
> get to and view posts to the wreck and the
> woodturning news group, "making do" by spending
> time at WoodCentral to satisfy my Forum
> addiction. =A0There I found a recomended Mac
> newsreader ThunderBird and the web browser
> FireFox recomended here and in other forums
> / groups.
>
> Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working
> on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered
> them on the Old Computer. =A0Only this post will
> tell the tale.
>
> charlie b
> crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now"
> - and whispering "please, please, please work"

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg

sorry for your troubles, but Windows (Vista) is no better! IHM & STD's

In article <[email protected]>, charlieb
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working
> on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered
> them on the Old Computer. Only this post will
> tell the tale.

Charlie, pop over to comp.sys.mac.comm for help getting the new Mac set
up for email and news, comp.sys.mac.apps for general application help,
and comp.sys.mac.sys for general OS help.

djb

--
Woodworking links and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com

In article <[email protected]>, Upscale
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Not that surprising. The Mac people are the elitists and the Linux people
> would like to be so they tend to speak up as more time goes on. :)

Meh, what mac people are in this group have probably participated
more than enough times in a Windows/DOS/Scelbi/
Warp/Linux-flavor/Amiga/Ti/Timex/Atari/Amstrad/Tandy/BBC-Micro/Dragon/Co
leco/Acorn/IBM-51**-Datamaster-IBMPC/MITS-Altair and
Zilog/PPC/Intel/AMD/ARM/Moto/DEC/MOS/AVR/SPARC/MILSTD1750A radda,
radda, radda war and have concluded it's a waste of time participating
:)


*I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.

--
MT - Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.


101010

In article <[email protected]>, Maxwell Lol
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > *I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.
>
> Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data General.
> Nova 840, Nova 2, Eclipse with RTOS,RDOSAOS, AOS/VS, and the DG/L language.

Well, I think my brain was trying to keep to a smaller size, or at
least the last time I saw a Nova 840 it was quite large. Though
admittedly it was in a rack so it may have been smaller than it looked.

--
MT - Diagonally parked in a parallel universe.


101010

On May 13, 12:20=A0am, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On May 12, 7:49=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>
> >> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>
> > Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
> > Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
> > recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>
> And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway.

Truth is... I run Windows XP Pro very reliably and quickly on my
Mac.... at the same time as I run OSX Leopard.
All I want from a computer, is to get my work done. I don't want to
know from .INI's .bat's and such.
I have 3 macs at home and I spend about 1/2 hour per month doing IT.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Rwindow.jpg
The farking PC at the shop needs a LOT more attention. I guess I'm too
stupid to operate a PC? Running that thing, is like needing 26
wrenches in a specific order to change a fricking routerbit? Those
PC's are horribly underdeveloped.

r
(aka Zebco 6)

On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>
>> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>
>Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
>Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
>recycled water) Toyota Prius.



Wireless Internet Check
Birkenstocks Check
Tilley Shorts Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites
Starbucks Fuck Starbucks
Toyota Prius 1987 Ford F150


Thank god I'm a country boy!





Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

SWomebody wrote:

> I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and
> Quicken
> is the most important. Since I am still employed, my work
> necessitates
> things like

Acrobat (not just reader),
the Office suite,

All Mac

Quicken sucks.

I run a program that started life in C/PM then DOS 2.0.

Hasn't been updated since 1990.

Have a customer data base file with almost 900 records and 50 custom
fields.

Uses less than 250K.

The guy who wrote it knew how to write tight code.

64K of space will do that.

Check books are simply a modified database file.

Since my task hasn't changed, no need to update the software.

Lew

On May 13, 12:33=A0am, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg
>
> Suspicion confirmed.
>
> It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
> system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
> Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
> trying and is STILL trying to copy. =A0At the moment they've gotten
> all the way up to approximate Mac's =A0OS 7 level (Apple is currently
> up to Mac OS 10.5.2).

Uhhnoooo... not another Mac snob??? LOL.

me tooooo (except the snob part...<G>)

"evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I don't hear this kind of enthusiasm when it comes to WindBlows. I hear
the
> opposite, Vista Sucks! It's even the brunt of jokes on TV.

If you base your decisions on TV ads, then Windows is certainly not the joke
here.

My first personal computer ran CPm.

It had Wordstar 1 on it.

I was very disturbed to go to DOS based stuff.

I got over it.

My first Windows computer was a Dutch box from AST.

It was OK.

I actually miss the 3.1 flat file.

I bought 95 when it came out ("Start Me Up").

I didn't know it then but boxes are designed to run with certain
software.

I bought a Sony Vaio.

It ran 95 just fine.

I bought a laptop that ran 95 just fine.

It didn't like Windows 98 SE or the bogus Millenium Edition.

It was made by a monitor company that had reached too far (CTX).

I bought a no name box from MIcro Center.

Ran Win XP and backwards, just fine.

I bought another laptop that was an XP box - a Dell.

It runs fine but is four years old and one bad accident away from a
new box.

I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.

It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.

I bought a laptop for my wife a year ago.

It runs WinVista.

I don't know what that means and I don't care.

I was happiest when I was running DOS.






On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:01:12 -0700, charlieb <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
>that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to
>this group. Once again my fingers are crossed.
>
>If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that
>does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the
>software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand,
>there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the
>world moves on.
>
>I had unintentionally become a Computer System Neander
>- and the world was leaving me behind - as was Apple and
>Mac software. My old Mac G3 purchased in 1997 or maybe
>it was '98, won't run the newest versions of my frequently
>used software, nor any of the "new stuff" - like SketchUP.
>And Netscape 3.0 (how Neander is THAT?) can't, or has
>trouble viewing the content of more and more web sites.
>
>SO - about three weeks ago - I headed down to the Apple
>Store and picked up a NEW Mac Mini - 6" x 6" x 2" - since
>I already had a flat screen display, keyboard and mouse.
>Five or six times faster and 1/30th the size of the old
>G3 - and it's so CUTE- silver gray sides and a white top
>-with a gray Apple Logo.
>
>What happened should be familiar to anyone who has
>bought one of those fancy "easy to use" dovetail or
>mortise and tenon jigs. The Silver Tongued Devil
>who you saw demonstrate it made it look SO EASY,
>and so Idiot Proof, and so FAST and so ACCURATE.
>
>Then YOU buy it, set it up and use it - just like you
>think you remember The Silver Tongued Devil did
>at The Show. That's when perception and reality
>often conflict.
>
>Despite what The Silver Tongued Devil said - or
>heavily implied, and despite what The Brochure
>would have you believe, and despite what the
>various "reviews" in the woodworking magazines
>would have you believe - this thing AIN'T intuitive
>to use, nor EASY, FAST and ACCURATE - until
>YOU learn to use it EXACTLY as the manufacturer
>intended for you to use it.
>
>With a computer system that's Stand Alone,
>migrating upward and learning a new User Interface
>(Apple's strong point) can be tricky. Add in an
>Internet Service Provider, totally unfamiliar
>downloaded software and an A/B Box so you can
>switch the monitor from Old System to New
>System and back - and you may drop into
>The Twilight Zone.
>
>Seems while trying to "set up" the New Computer
>- and it's software, I somehow managed to screw
>up the Old Computer and it's mail and news settings.
>Suddenly, and mysteriously, I couldn't get to
>usenet news groups and couldn't send e-mail.
>Then I COULD get to usenet groups - but couldn't
>post messages - or send any e-mail.
>
>Only took a bit over a week to be able to at least
>get to and view posts to the wreck and the
>woodturning news group, "making do" by spending
>time at WoodCentral to satisfy my Forum
>addiction. There I found a recomended Mac
>newsreader ThunderBird and the web browser
>FireFox recomended here and in other forums
>/ groups.
>
>Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working
>on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered
>them on the Old Computer. Only this post will
>tell the tale.
>
>charlie b
>crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now"
>- and whispering "please, please, please work"

Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

charlieb <[email protected]> wrote in news:482877DC.1879
@accesscom.com:

> I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
> that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to
> this group. Once again my fingers are crossed.
>
> If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that
> does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the
> software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand,
> there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the
> world moves on.
>

*snip*

> Still haven't got my "old" capabilities working
> on the New Computer but I THINK I've recovered
> them on the Old Computer. Only this post will
> tell the tale.
>
> charlie b
> crossing his fingers as he clicks on "Send Now"
> - and whispering "please, please, please work"
>

Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old
computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was
going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to
find everything again.

My previous computer was 4 1/2 years old, and it's going to be
reformatted and passed on to my mother, who's laptop is 5 and starting to
develop screen issues. Those hinges aren't made to withstand 5 years of
opening and closing...

Puckdropper
--
You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old
>>computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it
>>was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got
>>to find everything again.
>
> I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150
> less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus
> and window layout, and I'm quite happy.
>
> I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it
> reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I
> don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders,
> with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine...
>

*snip*

My system does have a few issues, but they're not because of Vista. It's
Lenovo's fault. They didn't get power management right, and that's a
huge issue on a laptop.

User Account Control was a bit annoying during initial set up. It's easy
enough to disable, though. I reenabled it after I was done moving and
installing, and it's not popped up unless I've headed in to the control
panel.

Puckdropper
--
You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

Robatoy wrote:

> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg

Suspicion confirmed.

It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten
all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently
up to Mac OS 10.5.2).

Man did this thread head off into Linux fast.

Skipped right over Mac vs WinDoze almost at
the offset.

Amazing.

On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:20:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>>
>>> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>>
>> Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
>> Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
>> recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>>
>>
>
>And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway.


Skinning moles sounds tedious.




Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:59:19 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On May 12, 8:57 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>
>> >> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>
>> >Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
>> >Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
>> >recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>>
>> Wireless Internet       Check
>> Birkenstocks            Check
>> Tilley Shorts           Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites
>> Starbucks               Fuck Starbucks
>> Toyota Prius            1987 Ford F150 >>>>>gunrack???<<<<<<
>>
>> Thank god I'm a country boy!
>>
>


No gunrack but a Mossberg 12G behind the seat and a Colt 1911 under
the seat.




Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
www.home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
> that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to
> this group. Once again my fingers are crossed.

Snip


I see you Charlieb.

I feeeel your pain. It seems that I cannot make a change to my internet
settings or install new internet software with out my ISP also going down at
the same moment. So I try to undo or fix it on my end all the while my ISP
is going up and down on their end.

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>
>> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>
> Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
> Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
> recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>
>

And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway.

On May 12, 7:49=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>
> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>
Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
recycled water) Toyota Prius.

Put Linux on it. Ubuntu is a great release for Linux newbs. Your
computer will run a lot faster and you'll probably be impressed with
how it looks/works. Windows XP isn't a new OS by any means. Ubuntu
gets a new release every 6 months and it generally has major updates.
I started out with a dual boot setup, just in case I needed Windows
for something. As more time went by I dropped Windows entirely.
Ubuntu also has automatic updates and a point and click library of
thousands of apps - all for free. None of it's pirated.

Mathue <[email protected]> writes:

> Meh, what mac people are in this group have probably participated
> more than enough times in a Windows/DOS/Scelbi/
> Warp/Linux-flavor/Amiga/Ti/Timex/Atari/Amstrad/Tandy/BBC-Micro/Dragon/Co
> leco/Acorn/IBM-51**-Datamaster-IBMPC/MITS-Altair and
> Zilog/PPC/Intel/AMD/ARM/Moto/DEC/MOS/AVR/SPARC/MILSTD1750A radda,
> radda, radda war and have concluded it's a waste of time participating
> :)
>
>
> *I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.

Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data General.
Nova 840, Nova 2, Eclipse with RTOS,RDOSAOS, AOS/VS, and the DG/L language.

On May 12, 9:13=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:59:19 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 12, 8:57=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On May 12, 7:49=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>
> >> >> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>
> >> >Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
> >> >Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
> >> >recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>
> >> Wireless Internet =A0 =A0 =A0 Check
> >> Birkenstocks =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Check
> >> Tilley Shorts =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites
> >> Starbucks =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Fuck Starbucks
> >> Toyota Prius =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01987 Ford F150 =A0>>>>>gunrack???<<=
<<<<
>
> >> Thank god I'm a country boy!
>
> No gunrack but a Mossberg 12G behind the seat and a Colt 1911 under
> the seat.
>
Athena D'Italia III Over & Under, a gift from my bookie. No small
arms.

On May 16, 12:28=A0am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0For example, the ability to copy a DVD is either
> hidden somewhere that is obvious to a Mac expert and totally non-obvious t=
o
> a new user, or it just plain doesn't exist as a standard package. =A0In ot=
her
> cases, finding ways to do other things that are pretty obvious in windows
> or linux are an exercise in frustration on the Mac. =A0Once you figure out=

> the right path, you can get the job done, but it's not obvious.

You put in a DVD, drag the icon of it it to a new folder. After that,
single click the folder to highlight it and select 'burn' from the
file menu.
Wipe hands on pants.

Mark & Juanita wrote:

>
> Kind of dabbling in both these worlds right now. We got SWMBO an iMac
> about a month ago. I'm trying to be open-minded -- I really like the Mac,
> and she loves the things it just does right out of the box like organize
> pictures, add sound to slide shows, and put together movies. But, some of
> the non-standard, or things that one would think would be standard, are
> causing some frustration. For example, the ability to copy a DVD is
> either hidden somewhere that is obvious to a Mac expert and totally
> non-obvious to
> a new user, or it just plain doesn't exist as a standard package. In
> other cases, finding ways to do other things that are pretty obvious in
> windows
> or linux are an exercise in frustration on the Mac. Once you figure out
> the right path, you can get the job done, but it's not obvious. But, like
> I said, the things the Mac does as native tasks is just eye-watering.
>
> I am witholding judgment at this time; after all, when the major OS
> vendor
> forced people to shut down their computers by pushing a button
> marked "start", or to log on to the Windows OS by pushing a key
> combination that used to be the last resort to reboot the machine -- a few
> quirks in finding command paths isn't going to make me reject a different
> system.

I like Mac's we have 2 in the house. I prefer linux though. Mac's are damn
expensive and if something goes wrong with one and your warranty is over
hold on to your wallet. My wife's Ibook DC plug stop working and would not
charge or work on regular house hold current, took it to a Mac store and
they wanted $600.00 to fix. I went on the net found a parts place and
bought it for $29.00, torx driver and a special tool to split the case. 40
bucks total. On the same site they had detailed instructions on the fix.
Followed the instructions to the T and had it back up and running in 1
hour.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

dayvo wrote:

> Put Linux on it. Ubuntu is a great release for Linux newbs. Your
> computer will run a lot faster and you'll probably be impressed with
> how it looks/works. Windows XP isn't a new OS by any means. Ubuntu
> gets a new release every 6 months and it generally has major updates.
> I started out with a dual boot setup, just in case I needed Windows
> for something. As more time went by I dropped Windows entirely.
> Ubuntu also has automatic updates and a point and click library of
> thousands of apps - all for free. None of it's pirated.
Haven't used WinBlows since win98 and been happy ditchin it ever since.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 13, 12:20 am, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>
>> >> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>
>> > Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
>> > Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed
>> > (with recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>>
>> And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway.
>
> Truth is... I run Windows XP Pro very reliably and quickly on my
> Mac.... at the same time as I run OSX Leopard.
> All I want from a computer, is to get my work done. I don't want to
> know from .INI's .bat's and such.
> I have 3 macs at home and I spend about 1/2 hour per month doing IT.
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Rwindow.jpg
> The farking PC at the shop needs a LOT more attention. I guess I'm too
> stupid to operate a PC? Running that thing, is like needing 26
> wrenches in a specific order to change a fricking routerbit? Those
> PC's are horribly underdeveloped.
>
> r
> (aka Zebco 6)
>

I wrote my first program in 1965. I worked with software and hardware off
and on until 2001 - and still muck about. I Hate PCs. Anytime I've ever
upgraded Anything on a PC it his taken me ALL Friggin DAY to get the job
done. My son is a sysadmin for a national company. When I need something
done I call him and he helps me fly it into the ground. I Hate PCs. But
I've got way too much invested.

Robatoy wrote:

> On May 13, 12:33 am, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg
>>
>> Suspicion confirmed.
>>
>> It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
>> system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
>> Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
>> trying and is STILL trying to copy.  At the moment they've gotten
>> all the way up to approximate Mac's  OS 7 level (Apple is currently
>> up to Mac OS 10.5.2).
>
> Uhhnoooo... not another Mac snob??? LOL.
>
> me tooooo (except the snob part...<G>)

Not a snob, but rapidly becoming a fan after getting my wife an iMac to
replace her Windows laptop.


--
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charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:

> Robatoy wrote:
>
>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jp
>> g
>
> Suspicion confirmed.
>
> It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
> system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
> Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
> trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten
> all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently
> up to Mac OS 10.5.2).

The Apple GUI is a copy of the PARC GUI. Been there, used it.

Han wrote:

> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>> version.
>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat
>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much
>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't
>> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>
> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>
> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I
> discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to
> switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to
> get my money's worth out of it!
>
> Nobody using emulators yet?
>

I do use CrossoverOffice (a WINE wrapper). For some things it works well:
TreePad, Quicktime, Lotus 123 (yes, I still have a few 123 spreadsheets,
and TaxAct. For other things not so well. Thus far I have found that it
won't load TurboCAD (I went with VariCAD under Linux), H&R Block TaxCut
(too bad, that was what I started using when TurboTax implemented their
spyware activation scheme), or MindManager.

I used TaxAct in Crossover Office this year for taxes, it worked, but I
was a bit more skeptical of the results than with TaxCut. Don't remember
all of the details, but there were a couple state forms that I knew I had
to complete, but TaxAct missed. I was able to force TaxAct to fill them
out, but that is not optimal.

Haven't tried the Msoft Office products under Crossover, I'm using
OpenOffice at home.

You can find what they do and don't support at www.codeweavers.com




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charlieb wrote:
> I THINK I've got this figured out - but this message will confirm
> that - or not. This will be my 2,608th attempt to post to
> this group. Once again my fingers are crossed.
>
[truisms snip]

Speaking as one whose first computer (that I did some programming on)
was a Burroughs E101 externally programmed thing that was about the size
of a desk (and did about as much). I found that over the years that it
took about six months to become pretty much obsolete technically. I can
still talk in theoretical terms about software and data design. My
usage of hardware is pretty much constrained to communications and word
processing (don't forget Solitaire). We still replace hardware every
four or five years and it's never easy or intuitive. In short don't
believe ads or the sweet talk of a computer geek.

mahalo, (and good luck)
jo4hn

Maxwell Lol wrote:
> Mathue <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Meh, what mac people are in this group have probably participated
>> more than enough times in a Windows/DOS/Scelbi/
>> Warp/Linux-flavor/Amiga/Ti/Timex/Atari/Amstrad/Tandy/BBC-Micro/Dragon/Co
>> leco/Acorn/IBM-51**-Datamaster-IBMPC/MITS-Altair and
>> Zilog/PPC/Intel/AMD/ARM/Moto/DEC/MOS/AVR/SPARC/MILSTD1750A radda,
>> radda, radda war and have concluded it's a waste of time participating
>> :)
>>
>>
>> *I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.
>
> Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data General.
> Nova 840, Nova 2, Eclipse with RTOS,RDOSAOS, AOS/VS, and the DG/L language.

Nor the Four-Phase Systems IV/70, IV/90 and System-5000 all with window
into memory for their displays.

Mark & Juanita wrote:

> Han wrote:
>
>> LRod <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@ 4ax.com:
>>
>> <snipped for brevity>
>>
>> I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken.
>> Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of
>> Vista may be getting to be a priority for me.
>>
>
> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
> version.
> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer
> versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless.
> Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive
> and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues
> with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing
> management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they
> do have a trial version.
>
>
You might have a look at GNUcash, its a suggestion. I'm not an accountant,
but I use it in my business and it works great for me.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

evodawg wrote:

> Upscale wrote:
>
>>
>> "charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Man did this thread head off into Linux fast.
>>>
>>> Skipped right over Mac vs WinDoze almost at
>>> the offset.
>>
>> Not that surprising. The Mac people are the elitists and the Linux people
>> would like to be so they tend to speak up as more time goes on. :)
> No we just know a good thing when we see it. :) And want others to know
> to. I don't here this kind of enthusiasm when it comes to WindBlows. I
> hear the opposite, Vista Sucks! It's even the brunt of jokes on TV.

Kind of dabbling in both these worlds right now. We got SWMBO an iMac
about a month ago. I'm trying to be open-minded -- I really like the Mac,
and she loves the things it just does right out of the box like organize
pictures, add sound to slide shows, and put together movies. But, some of
the non-standard, or things that one would think would be standard, are
causing some frustration. For example, the ability to copy a DVD is either
hidden somewhere that is obvious to a Mac expert and totally non-obvious to
a new user, or it just plain doesn't exist as a standard package. In other
cases, finding ways to do other things that are pretty obvious in windows
or linux are an exercise in frustration on the Mac. Once you figure out
the right path, you can get the job done, but it's not obvious. But, like
I said, the things the Mac does as native tasks is just eye-watering.

I am witholding judgment at this time; after all, when the major OS vendor
forced people to shut down their computers by pushing a button
marked "start", or to log on to the Windows OS by pushing a key combination
that used to be the last resort to reboot the machine -- a few quirks in
finding command paths isn't going to make me reject a different system.
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Han wrote:

> LRod <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@ 4ax.com:
>
> <snipped for brevity>
>
> I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken.
> Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of
> Vista may be getting to be a priority for me.
>

I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux version.
Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize newer
versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat painless.
Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much more intuitive
and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues
with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing
management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout www.moneydance.com, they
do have a trial version.


--
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Wow didn't realize so many folks are using LINUX. I still get what's LINUX?
Anything putting a dent into WinBlow$ is a good thing.

--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

evodawg wrote:

... snip
> I like Mac's we have 2 in the house. I prefer linux though. Mac's are damn
> expensive and if something goes wrong with one and your warranty is over
> hold on to your wallet. My wife's Ibook DC plug stop working and would not
> charge or work on regular house hold current, took it to a Mac store and
> they wanted $600.00 to fix. I went on the net found a parts place and
> bought it for $29.00, torx driver and a special tool to split the case. 40
> bucks total. On the same site they had detailed instructions on the fix.
> Followed the instructions to the T and had it back up and running in 1
> hour.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind in the future should the need arise.


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"charlieb"wrote

> It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
> system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
> Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
> trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten
> all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently
> up to Mac OS 10.5.2).

Yabbut ... go back and take a look at which OS your original post starting
this thread was bitching about. :)

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old
>>computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it
>>was going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got
>>to find everything again.
>
> I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150
> less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus
> and window layout, and I'm quite happy.
>
> I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it
> reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I
> don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders,
> with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine...
>
> I actually did look at a few MacBooks, but something comparable to
> this $500 Vista machine would cost me $1500, so I passed. I wanted a
> machine that would fit in my flight bag.
>
> I figure with my $495 machine, I can run Open Office, all my 'net and
> flight planning s/w, and take it all with me, to suck on the free WiFi
> available at any small airport and most everywhere else.
>
> My current desktop is 6 years old, and will remain in service.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------
>
I have a Vista 3680-2633, about the same price with 2 GB Ram from
Microcenter. Now I have had it for 6 months or so and installed a whole
bunch of "nice" software, it does not want to install Vista SP1. I'll
have to make an image then try reinstalling Vista, upgrade to SP1, then
reinstall all my fucCtrlHCtrlHCtrlH nice software. GRUMPPHH!


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Han
email address is invalid

LRod <[email protected]> wrote in news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@
4ax.com:

<snipped for brevity>

I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken.
Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of
Vista may be getting to be a priority for me.

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Han
email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:0cb28030-8e5b-4516-9d8d-
[email protected]:

> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg
>

That logo on the laptop is too small for these eyes ...

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Han
email address is invalid

Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
> version.
> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat
> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much
> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't
> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>
Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.

I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I
discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to
switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to get
my money's worth out of it!

Nobody using emulators yet?

--
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Han
email address is invalid

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>>> version.
>>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
>>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is
>>> somewhat
>>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are
>>> much
>>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
>>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I
>>> can't
>>> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>>
>> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>>
>> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked,
>> so
>> I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the
>> time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008,
>> and have to get my money's worth out of it!
>>
>> Nobody using emulators yet?
>
> Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you
> can run Windows under an emulator. And since the video system is
> emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with
> acceptable performance.
>
> If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. It is an attempt to
> provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. How well it works
> depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't
> supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine.
> Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. If you
> want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to
> run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum.
>
I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken
is the most important. Since I am still employed, my work necessitates
things like Acrobat (not just reader), the Office suite, a database
program called Reference Manager, and more. When I retire, maybe that
won't be necessary any more and I can play with some form of Linux with
more sincerity. May be a year more, more or less ...


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email address is invalid

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:0439d22f-b861-479f-8a07-
[email protected]:

>> I agree, but I want to keep running some of my Windows apps, and Quicken
>> is the most important. ÿSince I am still employed, my work necessitates
>> things like
>
> Acrobat (not just reader),
> the Office suite,
>
> All Mac
>
I have to win the lottery to buy all new software. If I switch OS, I'll go
open source and free.

My biggest mistake was buying my first PC. I did because I thought I could
get help from a colleague who had a PC. Both the decision and the reason
were probably wrong, but hey, so it goes!

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Han
email address is invalid

Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>>> Han wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>>>>> version.
>>>>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and
>>>>> lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the
>>>>> conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling
>>>>> and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than
>>>>> Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with
>>>>> on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing
>>>>> management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>>>>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>>>>
>>>> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked,
>>>> so I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be
>>>> the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007)
>>>> Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it!
>>>>
>>>> Nobody using emulators yet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do use CrossoverOffice (a WINE wrapper). For some things it
>>> works well:
>>> TreePad, Quicktime, Lotus 123 (yes, I still have a few 123
>>> spreadsheets, and TaxAct. For other things not so well. Thus far I
>>> have found that it won't load TurboCAD (I went with VariCAD under
>>> Linux), H&R Block TaxCut (too bad, that was what I started using
>>> when TurboTax implemented their spyware activation scheme), or
>>> MindManager.
>>>
>>> I used TaxAct in Crossover Office this year for taxes, it worked,
>>> but I
>>> was a bit more skeptical of the results than with TaxCut. Don't
>>> remember all of the details, but there were a couple state forms
>>> that I knew I had to complete, but TaxAct missed. I was able to
>>> force TaxAct to fill them out, but that is not optimal.
>>>
>>> Haven't tried the Msoft Office products under Crossover, I'm using
>>> OpenOffice at home.
>>>
>>> You can find what they do and don't support at www.codeweavers.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I've been using vmware-server (under linux) for almost a year and you
>> can run most versions of windoze if you already have a license and
>> linux and solaris 10. No rebooting to run any win app you might
>> need, just boot up your virtual machine and have at it - in fact as
>> many virtual machines as you might need. Real memory is the key, and
>> I've put 4GB on several wintel machines for under $100 each. Virtual
>> machine aren't emulators and run at your hardware rates if not memory
>> bound. If your app ran on a non virtual machine, it will run on a
>> virtual machine.
>
> I looked into that; downside is that I would have to buy a Windows
> license. My machine has Windows 2000 with no OS disk -- it's an
> end-of-life machine that our company sells to employees when
> refreshing desktops. The license is a legal license, but there is no
> recovery if the machine has problems and also no disk that I can use
> to install into a virtual machine. The price was right though and
> with OpenSuse Linux, a three year old machine runs faster than most
> new machines with an Msoft OS.
>
Thanks Doug and M&J!
I might go the virtual machine route, although that would mean
reinstalling everything. Does a virtual installation of windows do its
updates too? I assume it does, as long as the hard drive is big enough.

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dayvo <[email protected]> wrote in news:7c562acc-a2e8-4469-8799-
[email protected]:

> Put Linux on it. Ubuntu is a great release for Linux newbs. Your
> computer will run a lot faster and you'll probably be impressed with
> how it looks/works. Windows XP isn't a new OS by any means. Ubuntu
> gets a new release every 6 months and it generally has major updates.
> I started out with a dual boot setup, just in case I needed Windows
> for something. As more time went by I dropped Windows entirely.
> Ubuntu also has automatic updates and a point and click library of
> thousands of apps - all for free. None of it's pirated.
>

Thanks all!

I'll get back to this when I retire <grin>.


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evodawg <[email protected]> wrote in news:Na5Xj.3880$LL.1073@trnddc04:

<snip>
> You might have a look at GNUcash, its a suggestion. I'm not an
> accountant, but I use it in my business and it works great for me.

Good idea! When I retire ...

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[snip]
>
> Acrobat (not just reader),
> the Office suite,
>
> All Mac

Acrobat (reader only)
Mozilla
Word
Solitaire

:-)

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Han wrote:
>
>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>>> version.
>>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
>>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is somewhat
>>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are much
>>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
>>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't
>>> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>>
>> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>>
>> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked, so I
>> discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the time to
>> switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008, and have to
>> get my money's worth out of it!
>>
>> Nobody using emulators yet?
>>
>
> I do use CrossoverOffice (a WINE wrapper). For some things it works well:
> TreePad, Quicktime, Lotus 123 (yes, I still have a few 123 spreadsheets,
> and TaxAct. For other things not so well. Thus far I have found that it
> won't load TurboCAD (I went with VariCAD under Linux), H&R Block TaxCut
> (too bad, that was what I started using when TurboTax implemented their
> spyware activation scheme), or MindManager.
>
> I used TaxAct in Crossover Office this year for taxes, it worked, but I
> was a bit more skeptical of the results than with TaxCut. Don't remember
> all of the details, but there were a couple state forms that I knew I had
> to complete, but TaxAct missed. I was able to force TaxAct to fill them
> out, but that is not optimal.
>
> Haven't tried the Msoft Office products under Crossover, I'm using
> OpenOffice at home.
>
> You can find what they do and don't support at www.codeweavers.com
>
>
>
>
I've been using vmware-server (under linux) for almost a year and you
can run most versions of windoze if you already have a license and linux
and solaris 10. No rebooting to run any win app you might need, just
boot up your virtual machine and have at it - in fact as many virtual
machines as you might need. Real memory is the key, and I've put 4GB on
several wintel machines for under $100 each. Virtual machine aren't
emulators and run at your hardware rates if not memory bound. If your
app ran on a non virtual machine, it will run on a virtual machine.

On May 13, 7:48=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "charlieb"wrote
>
> > It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
> > system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
> > Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
> > trying and is STILL trying to copy. =A0At the moment they've gotten
> > all the way up to approximate Mac's =A0OS 7 level (Apple is currently
> > up to Mac OS 10.5.2).
>
> Yabbut ... go back and take a look at which OS your original post starting=

> this thread was bitching about. :)
>
Well... yes... but I think I know what got to charlieb:

"If you find a computer - and software compatible with it - that
does what you want it to do, and come to know it and the
software you've acquired for it like the back of your hand,
there's a tendency to stick with it - while the rest of the
world moves on."

The 'world', in this case, moved on by such an enormous leap (spread
out over many years) that it was more a realisation of culture shock
than an evaluation of the platform in question. Holy cow!! Colour????

People either love or hate Apple and there seems to be no space in
between.
Personally, I think backwards from the task at hand. Get the job done.
My finances have been PC based up to a few year ago, when MYOB made a
commitment to keep supporting OSX.

When I have to put a nail in, I really don't care if it is a Stanley
or a Estwing hammer.
If I were to be swinging a hammer all day, I'd probably look into
which would be best for me.
My Macs ARE PC's... they all boot in Windows XP pro, native, and the
only thing I am happy about, is the fact that Apple's hardware seldom
breaks, and I get two quality computers for the price of one...
although they are a little more money than PC, comparably equipped,
the difference in price isn't that great.

Like charlieb, I learned certain software like the back of my hand,
including all the CAD and 3D a man could want, but my upgrade path has
been consistent both from a hardware point of view as well as
software.

Sometimes I boot one of my Macs from my museum. Things have changed.

=2E..and that reminded me of something that happened the other day.
Back in the late 1960's, I had a girlfriend. She was the most
beautiful creature on this planet. Her parents moved her out west and
we lost touch. In my mind, she was still a fine female specimen...
till I ran into her again. Age wasn't kind to her either. We're
talking an 8" floppy here...just to mix a few metaphors...<G>

I'm sure she felt the same.

r

On May 12, 8:57=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On May 12, 7:49=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>
> >> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>
> >Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
> >Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
> >recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>
> Wireless Internet =A0 =A0 =A0 Check
> Birkenstocks =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Check
> Tilley Shorts =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Sherwin Williams Painter's Whites
> Starbucks =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Fuck Starbucks
> Toyota Prius =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01987 Ford F150 >>>>>gunrack???<<<<<<
>
> Thank god I'm a country boy!
>

"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Maxwell Lol wrote:
>> Mathue <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> Meh, what mac people are in this group have probably participated
>>> more than enough times in a Windows/DOS/Scelbi/
>>> Warp/Linux-flavor/Amiga/Ti/Timex/Atari/Amstrad/Tandy/BBC-Micro/Dragon/Co
>>> leco/Acorn/IBM-51**-Datamaster-IBMPC/MITS-Altair and
>>> Zilog/PPC/Intel/AMD/ARM/Moto/DEC/MOS/AVR/SPARC/MILSTD1750A radda,
>>> radda, radda war and have concluded it's a waste of time participating
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> *I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.
>>
>> Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data
>> General.
>> Nova 840, Nova 2, Eclipse with RTOS,RDOSAOS, AOS/VS, and the DG/L
>> language.

Hell - I remember it very well. DG is where I met my wife.

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"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Man did this thread head off into Linux fast.
>
> Skipped right over Mac vs WinDoze almost at
> the offset.

Not that surprising. The Mac people are the elitists and the Linux people
would like to be so they tend to speak up as more time goes on. :)

Maxwell Lol wrote:
>
> Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data General.

"The Soul of a New Machine"...

Doug Winterburn wrote:
> Maxwell Lol wrote:
>> Mathue <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> Meh, what mac people are in this group have probably participated
>>> more than enough times in a Windows/DOS/Scelbi/
>>> Warp/Linux-flavor/Amiga/Ti/Timex/Atari/Amstrad/Tandy/BBC-Micro/Dragon/Co
>>> leco/Acorn/IBM-51**-Datamaster-IBMPC/MITS-Altair and
>>> Zilog/PPC/Intel/AMD/ARM/Moto/DEC/MOS/AVR/SPARC/MILSTD1750A radda,
>>> radda, radda war and have concluded it's a waste of time participating
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> *I 'prolly missed a few, I have only 640K of memory.
>>
>> Sigh... No one remembers the #2 minicomputer manufacturer....Data
>> General.
>> Nova 840, Nova 2, Eclipse with RTOS,RDOSAOS, AOS/VS, and the DG/L
>> language.
>
> Nor the Four-Phase Systems IV/70, IV/90 and System-5000 all with window
> into memory for their displays.

...and contrary to claims by others, Four-Phase Systems and founder Lee
Boysell produced the first computer on a chip.

charlieb wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Macbookceomicrosoft.jpg
>
> Suspicion confirmed.
>
> It's ironic that MicroSoft's first Killer App WAS NOT it's operating
> system - but rather Excel, running on a Mac and exploiting the
> Apple GUI which MS then tried to copy with WinDoze, failed, kept
> trying and is STILL trying to copy. At the moment they've gotten
> all the way up to approximate Mac's OS 7 level (Apple is currently
> up to Mac OS 10.5.2).

What's ironic is that Microsoft writes their own OS, while Apple tacks
a proprietary GUI on top of freeware. And probably doesn't donate a
cent to FSF or BSD or any of the others who actually did most of their
development for them.

As for Excel being Microsoft's first "killer app", actually that was
BASIC, without which the Apple II would have flopped miserably.

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Han wrote:
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native Linux
>> version.
>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and lobotomize
>> newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the conversion is
>> somewhat
>> painless. Cheaper than Quicken. Scrolling and date auto-fill are
>> much
>> more intuitive and better than Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people
>> have had some issues with on-line banking (I don't do that so I
>> can't
>> say). Investing management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>
> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>
> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken sucked,
> so
> I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be the
> time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007) Q2008,
> and have to get my money's worth out of it!
>
> Nobody using emulators yet?

Emulators work fine, however it seems silly to run Linux just so you
can run Windows under an emulator. And since the video system is
emulated in software you're limited in what you can run with
acceptable performance.

If you mean WINE, WINE Is Not an Emulator. It is an attempt to
provide the Windows API at a binary level on Unix. How well it works
depends on the application--if it doesn't make any calls that aren't
supported by the DLLs provided under WINE then it works fine.
Personally I've found that it's more effort than it's worth. If you
want to run Windows apps then run Windows--using Linux primarily to
run Windows apps is like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum.

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Han wrote:
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>
>>> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>>>> Han wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running MoneyDance instead of Quicken, it has a native
>>>>>> Linux version.
>>>>>> Advantages: MoneyDance doesn't sunset it's software and
>>>>>> lobotomize newer versions. Imports Quicken files, so the
>>>>>> conversion is somewhat painless. Cheaper than Quicken.
>>>>>> Scrolling
>>>>>> and date auto-fill are much more intuitive and better than
>>>>>> Quicken. Disadvantages: Some people have had some issues with
>>>>>> on-line banking (I don't do that so I can't say). Investing
>>>>>> management is somewhat less intuitive. Checkout
>>>>>> www.moneydance.com, they do have a trial version.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your replies, M&J, and LRod.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did try Moneydance once, but the conversion from Quicken
>>>>> sucked,
>>>>> so I discarded it. I'm thinking about retiring, so then will be
>>>>> the time to switch, especially since I just acquired (late 2007)
>>>>> Q2008, and have to get my money's worth out of it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody using emulators yet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do use CrossoverOffice (a WINE wrapper). For some things it
>>>> works well:
>>>> TreePad, Quicktime, Lotus 123 (yes, I still have a few 123
>>>> spreadsheets, and TaxAct. For other things not so well. Thus
>>>> far
>>>> I have found that it won't load TurboCAD (I went with VariCAD
>>>> under
>>>> Linux), H&R Block TaxCut (too bad, that was what I started using
>>>> when TurboTax implemented their spyware activation scheme), or
>>>> MindManager.
>>>>
>>>> I used TaxAct in Crossover Office this year for taxes, it
>>>> worked,
>>>> but I
>>>> was a bit more skeptical of the results than with TaxCut. Don't
>>>> remember all of the details, but there were a couple state forms
>>>> that I knew I had to complete, but TaxAct missed. I was able to
>>>> force TaxAct to fill them out, but that is not optimal.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't tried the Msoft Office products under Crossover, I'm
>>>> using OpenOffice at home.
>>>>
>>>> You can find what they do and don't support at
>>>> www.codeweavers.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I've been using vmware-server (under linux) for almost a year and
>>> you can run most versions of windoze if you already have a license
>>> and linux and solaris 10. No rebooting to run any win app you
>>> might
>>> need, just boot up your virtual machine and have at it - in fact
>>> as
>>> many virtual machines as you might need. Real memory is the key,
>>> and I've put 4GB on several wintel machines for under $100 each.
>>> Virtual machine aren't emulators and run at your hardware rates if
>>> not memory bound. If your app ran on a non virtual machine, it
>>> will run on a virtual machine.
>>
>> I looked into that; downside is that I would have to buy a
>> Windows
>> license. My machine has Windows 2000 with no OS disk -- it's an
>> end-of-life machine that our company sells to employees when
>> refreshing desktops. The license is a legal license, but there is
>> no
>> recovery if the machine has problems and also no disk that I can
>> use
>> to install into a virtual machine. The price was right though and
>> with OpenSuse Linux, a three year old machine runs faster than most
>> new machines with an Msoft OS.
>>
> Thanks Doug and M&J!
> I might go the virtual machine route, although that would mean
> reinstalling everything. Does a virtual installation of windows do
> its updates too? I assume it does, as long as the hard drive is big
> enough.

The virtual machine is like a separate computer within the computer.
On a machine with enough RAM you can have whole virtual networks going
with virtual servers and virtual workstations running a bunch of
different operating systems, all on the same machine.

You have to install Windows on the virtual machine just like you would
on a physical machine, with each virtual machine needing its own
installation, and with XP and later its own product activation. You
install updates in the virtual machine just like you would on a
physical machine, again with each virtual machine having to be updated
separately. Note--read the license _carefully_ before you call
Microsoft if you've having a problem with activation in the virtual
machine--some versions are licensed for virtual machines, others are
not, and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to which are
and aren't--if you're trying to activate a version that's not licensed
for a virtual machine and you tell them that that's what you're doing
they probably won't give you a code.

If you have a valid product key for Windows 2000, by the way, then you
should be able to obtain media without a key inexpensively--call the
hardware manufacturer and see--price should be 20 bucks or so. If
that route fails, you can generally find images of the distribution
media on bittorrent--burn one to a CD and install with your key and
you're set.

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On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:34:05 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>...and that reminded me of something that happened the other day.
>Back in the late 1960's, I had a girlfriend. She was the most
>beautiful creature on this planet. Her parents moved her out west and
>we lost touch. In my mind, she was still a fine female specimen...
>till I ran into her again. Age wasn't kind to her either. We're
>talking an 8" floppy here...just to mix a few metaphors...<G>

You're talking about her reaction, right?


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On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:20:17 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have a Vista 3680-2633, about the same price with 2 GB Ram from
>Microcenter. Now I have had it for 6 months or so and installed a whole
>bunch of "nice" software, it does not want to install Vista SP1. I'll
>have to make an image then try reinstalling Vista, upgrade to SP1, then
>reinstall all my fucCtrlHCtrlHCtrlH nice software. GRUMPPHH!

This and previously described phenomena plus a personal experience the
other day are exactly what have driven me to Linux. I downloaded 8.04
the other day (free) and installed it on a 320gB HD I bought for $69.
That could have conceivably been my only expenditure, but I gussied up
the package with a $40 mobo and a $70 processor. The OS loaded right
up, it's preloaded with FireFox (which I'd been using for a year or
more), it found the internet just fine on my network, and it reads the
other (XP) computers on the network. The XP computers don't see the
Linux box (yet) but that's not the fault of Linux, per se.

The other day I took a HD I've had for a while (in fact I had loaded
an earlier version of Linux on it a couple of weeks ago before I got
the bigger HD) and loaded XP onto it. Then I had to register it. But
the registration code I had didn't work, so I had to call tech
support. It took almost 50 minutes sitting on the phone waiting for
the tech guy to weave whatever magic they have to weave to get me a
working reg key.

I'd been teetering on the "bye-bye m$" brink for a while, but now it's
"never again." I'll need to find complementary apps to what I'd been
used to on m$ stuff for the last 18 years, but then I've functionally
had to do that at least three times along the way, anyway, and that
doesn't count the C/PM, Applesoft, DOS3.3/4.01/5.0/6.22 transitions I
had along the way, too.

The friggin' OS is free! It's stable. It's secure. It has a proven
track record. You can be as GUIish as you want with it or play command
line as much as you want. It doesn't fight you past the learning
curve, which all the rest have, as well, by the way.

m$ wants $ for an obsolete OS (although it's still better, relatively
speaking, than its replacement). By the way, I've been describing
Vista as the new ME.



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On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:54:34 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:

>LRod <[email protected]> wrote in news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@
>4ax.com:
>
><snipped for brevity>
>
>I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken.
>Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of
>Vista may be getting to be a priority for me.

I'm very early in my Linux journey. I haven't even begun trying
emulators. Frankly, I'm probably going to concentrate on native Linux
apps (forgot to mention, Open Office is packaged with the Linux I
got--Ubuntu, for the record--it handles all the m$ orifice formats).
Less trouble. Speak to some Mac people--they'll probably tell you the
same thing.

Incidentally, I gave up on Quicken quite a while ago. I was an adopter
in about 1990 and used it faithfully up until about Fall, '06. One of
the ongoing problems was utter lack of support from Intuit. They are
notorious for it. Check newsgroups geared toward them.

I've been using online banking which covers my needs (which are
simple) so far. If I do eventually go back to accounting software,
I'll find a native Linux app. But I don't know of any yet.


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Upscale wrote:

>
> "charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Man did this thread head off into Linux fast.
>>
>> Skipped right over Mac vs WinDoze almost at
>> the offset.
>
> Not that surprising. The Mac people are the elitists and the Linux people
> would like to be so they tend to speak up as more time goes on. :)
No we just know a good thing when we see it. :) And want others to know to.
I don't here this kind of enthusiasm when it comes to WindBlows. I hear the
opposite, Vista Sucks! It's even the brunt of jokes on TV.
--
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but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:20:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 12, 7:49 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bought a MacBook for my daughter on April 23.
>>>>
>>>> It runs everything but it is a cult phenomenon.
>>>>
>>> Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
>>> Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
>>> recycled water) Toyota Prius.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>And carry a Moleskine notebook just like Ernest Hemmingway.
>
>
> Skinning moles sounds tedious.
>

Compared to catching them, it's a piece of cake.

On 12 May 2008 18:34:52 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>Good luck, charlie b! I'm typing this on my week-and-a-half old
>computer. For me it wasn't switching from classic Mac OS to OS X, it was
>going from XP to Vista. Vista has made improvements, but I've got to
>find everything again.

I recently bought a $495 Acer laptop (a newegg.com "Special", $150
less than Staples!) with Windows Vista. I switched to "Classic" menus
and window layout, and I'm quite happy.

I honestly don't see what the Vista slamming is about, other than it
reminds me of the complaining when XP first was released. However, I
don't upgrade an OS, I replace the machine. I'm sure true upgraders,
with hot rodded hardware, have issues I can't even imagine...

I actually did look at a few MacBooks, but something comparable to
this $500 Vista machine would cost me $1500, so I passed. I wanted a
machine that would fit in my flight bag.

I figure with my $495 machine, I can run Open Office, all my 'net and
flight planning s/w, and take it all with me, to suck on the free WiFi
available at any small airport and most everywhere else.

My current desktop is 6 years old, and will remain in service.

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LRod wrote:

> On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:54:34 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>LRod <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:kgoh2418ub0ttv8uhvg5l7bt3gspihn0mf@ 4ax.com:
>>
>><snipped for brevity>
>>
>>I have some apps that like M$, but dislike Linux. Foremost is Quicken.
>>Have you gotten something like wine (spelling?) to work? Getting rid of
>>Vista may be getting to be a priority for me.
>
> I'm very early in my Linux journey. I haven't even begun trying
> emulators. Frankly, I'm probably going to concentrate on native Linux
> apps (forgot to mention, Open Office is packaged with the Linux I
> got--Ubuntu, for the record--it handles all the m$ orifice formats).
> Less trouble. Speak to some Mac people--they'll probably tell you the
> same thing.
>
> Incidentally, I gave up on Quicken quite a while ago. I was an adopter
> in about 1990 and used it faithfully up until about Fall, '06. One of
> the ongoing problems was utter lack of support from Intuit. They are
> notorious for it. Check newsgroups geared toward them.
>
> I've been using online banking which covers my needs (which are
> simple) so far. If I do eventually go back to accounting software,
> I'll find a native Linux app. But I don't know of any yet.
>
>
Try GNUcash I think it's called. Dual booting in my opinion is the only way
to keep windows. Emulators really aren't the answer. But I haven't used a
WinBlows product since win98. Not to mention no ADware, no Spyware, no
trojans, no nada. I just installed virus detection on my new machine not
because I had to. For the last 5 years I have had no virus detection, and
no virus. Norton Virus Detection? whats that?


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"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

"Robatoy" wrote:

> Only if you use wireless internet, wearing your Birckenstocks and
Tilley shorts, at Starbucks while admiring your freshly washed (with
recycled water) Toyota Prius.

My Tilley hat I love, even learned to reef my Tilley hat with one
hand, but Tilley shorts, I'll pass, along with the rest of the crap
above.

Lew

Robatoy wrote:

> On May 16, 12:28 am, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>> For example, the ability to copy a DVD is either
>> hidden somewhere that is obvious to a Mac expert and totally non-obvious
>> to a new user, or it just plain doesn't exist as a standard package.  In
>> other cases, finding ways to do other things that are pretty obvious in
>> windows or linux are an exercise in frustration on the Mac.  Once you
>> figure out the right path, you can get the job done, but it's not
>> obvious.
>
> You put in a DVD, drag the icon of it it to a new folder. After that,
> single click the folder to highlight it and select 'burn' from the
> file menu.
> Wipe hands on pants.

Thanks. I'll try that when, if, the Mac comes up again. SWMBO was trying
to build an imovie this morning, the screen went dark, the computer went
click, and it has been inert ever since.

This is not a happy experience.

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If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough